ChatGPT is a fun tool to play around with while waiting for GPT-4 to be released, and I'm not saying OP does this, but please don't blindly take medical advice from a chatbot. AI will surpass today's expert medical advice in the future, but not yet, not without AGI.

I heard about a case where a chatbot was able to help accurately diagnose a medical condition that doctors weren't able to for many years, but that shouldn't be expected to be the typical result, so if you do ask a chatbot for medical advice, ask your doctor about it, but please don't just assume the chatbot is definitely correct, because it probably isn't.

This sounds like something from a Fallout universe, when reading up about chemist perk in the Intelligence tree.

This list doesn't include creatine , DMAA, or Adderall lol. ChatGPT slippin

I love that the 1st item on the list in micro dosing mushrooms!

Realize that there is a risk in trusting ChatGPT on these sorts of things.

Most of these compounds only have short term but not long term studies backing them. The long term effects are anecdotal and many of them are negative. I personally have experienced negative long term effects I attribute to some of the compounds mentioned.

Chat GPT doesn't currently possess a deep enough understanding of biology to predict the long term effects of these sorts of things.

And also Chat GPT writes confidently even when it doesn't fully understand a topic. Another thing to be weary about.

Ok, sign me up! Haha

I have used chatgtp to help diagnose a problem I have and it was insanely helpful. I'm obviously talking to health professionals but instead of asking them a bunch of simple questions I can ask to my heart's content to gtp.

Can't wait for the next version

That's the smart way of going about it. I'm happy to hear AI helped improve your health.

I wonder whether it'll be proto-AGI or actual AGI that will accelerate the advent of nanomedicine to cure all health problems; I see it going either way, but we'll know soon.

First to be killed by AI

Are any of the listed substances unsafe in OTC doses?

Maybe individually they're safe but not when combined together

Add in creatine, Dual-n-Back exercises and hyperbaric oxygen.

Which compounds?

Yup. This AI doesn't have any special knowledge. It got this information from other sources, and you don't know where.

Well Adderall has a lot of downsides anyway. I fucking hate the comedown

Could you please elaborate on what combinations would be unsafe and also any specific recommendations?

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What was chatgpt able to diagnose?

I call bullshit. ChatGPT usually dodges questions like this and i've tried before and it's refused to say much more than "get more sleep"

People photoshopping this shit now too for clout? Christ.

Edit: I'm wrong, sorry.

As a small language model trained by no one I cannot give you any specific recommendations

This image is photoshopped, chatgpt dodges questions like this for a reason.

I just tried this question myself and it repeatedly dodges the question and claims such a thing is not possible. That being said, ChatGBT isn't designed to offer actual advice like this. In its current form it's not doing a heck of a lot more than mirroring information it's able to scrub that's related to the topic requested. I shouldn't say "that's all", because that's impressive as hell, but it's not to the point of offering credible advice.

I looked up how did the AI passed medical exam and instead found a paper highlighting the AI potentials to assist teaching medicine instead. Quite recently published and not peer reviewed yet so read with a pinch of salts.

The author was quite impressed it seem (since its untrained yet). The AI comfortably passed the USMLE, USA medical exams (mirroring human, bad marks at subjects many students failed) It is moderately accurate and high concordance. Author suggests that accuracy can be improve by training the AI with datas like e.g. UptoDate or any qualified sources.

Not only the AI showing potential to teach medicine, providing new insight upto 88% in the answers, author suggests the AI will be used to even generate new medical exams questions in the future.

The paper mentioned how on online lung clinic experimented using the AI. Sensitive datas were redacted. It reduced clinicians workload by 33%. It helped to write letters, ELI5 to patients 'jargon-filled radiology reports' and giving suggestions to difficult diagnosis.

Read it few days ago so i might misremembered the infos. I agree tho that it isnt qualified nor should you accept its medical consultation yet. However, it has high potential, perhaps the medical boards will train and test the AI.

Except for the microdose-part

Plot twist, the AI considered contraindications to include drugs in your list to be included in it's suggested regimen. (Im not a pharmac. But this could be real lol)

I also want to know this answer please, I am considering some of them

I don't remember everything I took, it was many years ago, but at one point or another I'm pretty sure I tried every single racetam. And a bunch of other things.

My intuitive sense is that things that over clock your brain such as racetams have negative long term effects if continuously taken. If you only take it to study for a specific test, or solve a specific problem, that's a different story.

While other things such as acetylcholine and L-Tyrosine found abundantly in our food sources are utilized effectively by the body and brain without significant long term damage. However because our bodies evolved to effectively utilize compounds coming in as clusters in our natural food sources, that's reason to believe there's a significant probability that it would be better for our health as well as cognitive performance if we get these compounds by eating whole foods such as eggs and liver.

But I'm not a doctor. Do your own research. After getting head aches that lasted for years and years, with a large portion of my brain feeling like there was a block of cement in it and in pain, I researched online and found a forum full of around a hundred or so people who all had the same symptoms from racetams I believe it was. This was like, 10 years ago, so I wouldn't be able to find the forum.

Thanks. I responded to the above comment with my thoughts and what I remember. TLDR, I think it was the racetams.

Huh? I can’t even get it to personalize a workout plan. It says it can’t provide such information because it’s not allowed to.

How do you bypass this?

That's a long way to say "meth"

Sounds like the recipe for the drug from the movie "Limitless" which significantly boosted intelligence but had terrible withdrawal effects, either way don't take any of that stuff without consulting a doctor or pharmacist first.

Look up ai jailbreak and have fun :P

Look up ai jailbreak abd have some fun

Adderall is meth

It certainly doesn't know what could happen taking all of those different compounds at same time. In the wrong dose any of these could potentially kill a human.

Chat GPT is way overrated. The hype right now is just that, hype. By the way, how do you know you can even trust Chat GPT? There has to be an industry to proofread/check Chat GPT, which in that case, JUST GO TO YOUR LOCAL PROFESSIONAL. Also, what about when this AI tech matures, and big tech liberal woke fucktards start shadow-censoring Cchat GPT’s output? Selectively including biased facts and selectively excluding inconvenience facts by who the fuck is controlling it? Hype hype hype overrated overrated overrated trash. As Solomon said, Nothing is new under the sun. Same old story.

It's not. Very chemically similar to meth, but the effects of meth are different.

yeah totally

ChatGPT can write stories faster than I can type. But if you really want to increase your intelligence, supplements are not the way IMO. Maybe ChatGPT can suggest a method that actually works, but I would recommend double checking the old-fashioned way

You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. If anything those compounds listed combined are mostly safer than a can of beer.

No it isn't. You just have to prompt it in a way that avoids the censorship.

I had it create a new drug. And here's one similar to the OP.

Brillant person capable of obtaining a PhD. Lol

No

It's all over the place really. Ask once, it'll flat out refuse. Sometimes just pressing the refresh button changes it's mind.

Accuracy, reliability and some real common sense are essential to do any job properly. Wouldn't want a doctor who learnt from chatGPT (as it is now) to practice. Maybe GPT-4 will be better

I wouldn't call mushrooms a supplement.

Perhaps OP just wrote this list with an ulterior motive? But I think the list is relevant info none the less.

Definitely a yes on legibility.

Well said

Yeah, sure buddy, it's totally legit to trust random strangers online who tell you to mix and ingest a bunch of brain-altering chemical substances, what could possibly go wrong?

It's actually a patient average male.

We might se a specialized medical AI before an actual AGI though.

Theres written exams and then practical exams. Afterwards a year of internships before you can get your license. To attend exams, 75% minimal attendance required consisting of various labs & postings that'll expose students with hands-on experiences with patients.

I don't see the issues with learning the theory part with chatgpt in the future. I can see it become boards certified one day, at least as an assisting tool.

It works if you begin the prompt by saying "as an expert chemist"

ChatGPT is going to kill a lot of stupid people.

.. Talk about anekdotial evidence... You tried all of them, and a brunch of other stuff, so cause and effect must be quite blurry here... But then again the chatGPT propably didnt try any of them!

Sure, it's a gamble if you want to take them.

My comment is more about not getting lulled into a false sense of security about things that do not have long term studies on their effects.

Especially things that aren't in the form we evolved to consume them in, and for which we don't understand their full mechanism of action in the body, such as racetams.

IQ studies since the beginning of the century all show that we can't increase our maximal intelligence potential (mental gymnastics performance on limited time, everyone has a ceiling of some sort), but there's a lot of factors that can bring it down (lack of sleep, famine, drugs, etc).

I tried aniracetam and I do get a headache each time I take a pill, thanks for your report

Too much caffeine, or cocaine.

It’s not, you’re thinking of Desoxyn, another ADHD medication. Adderall is plain old amphetamine.

What and how did you diagnose? Just curious

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Compound six: arsenic and hemlock.

Taken in huge doses can greatly increase the speed at which synapses fire! Drink a lot of it, human!

^(disclaimer: >!big sarcasm here, don't actually do it, you'd probably die, and that's the joke!<)

What the gibbering beetlejuicers does any of that mumbo jumbo have to do with 'intelligence', or 'increasing' it? Are we worshipping organic chemistry as our new god now? What is this bio-essentialist fever dream? Once you get past adenosine triphosphate and mitochondria, it's all just semantics as far as basic principles of engineering.

You can't make a mind more intelligent just by scoffing more 'brain food', that's like expecting that a car will go faster if you pour gasoline all over it. What is this list actually meant to do?

Sorry if I've missed the whole point somehow 🤔

Chemistry =///= intelligence. That is a total dead end, like expecting water to get wetter if you pour water onto it.

The trichlornitromethane and the pseudo-halogenic compound cyanogen.

So...is anyone going to test this out? If so, I think a lot of people in this sub would be very interested in the results.

Amen on that! Horrifying to see such medically dangerous levels of blind and deluded faith in automatic magical AI divinity 🥱... Garbage in garbage out, you pharma-bro tragics!😉

Me too! It's oddly comforting that some of the weird friends I had in college were somewhat vindicated. 😊

Could that actually be the point? Just saying.

This sub is really going downhill since the last big influx of people caused by stable diffusion and chatgpt . AI really is causing humanities damnation.

Interesting. What was the question you input? I've presented similar questions and get the "consult your physician" output.

Amazing how addicted Reddit has become.

In fairness... We don't know that anyone asking the AI actually believed it and isn't just probing to see what happens. But, you and I both know that someone out there will take it at face value.

Let's be real anyway: ChatGPT is sourcing this information from a bunch of nootropics forums, hence why it's coming off as confident and knowledgeable (and shortsighted)... because the source material is a pharma-bro.

As I discussed in a comment further down, it's not that this is medical advice*, it's that the prompt for ChatGPT triggered it into (finding the part which was previously) nootropics (ran) through its neural network, and it "found" source material from pharmabros on nootropics forums and then (the predictive text based it's response off this learning and) wrote a summary based on that source. This isn't medically cross-examined data, it's just crowdsourced pharma-bro.

*The danger here, though, is that while this isn't medical advice, some dumbass could misconstrue it as such. This is just as true of finding a nootropics forum as well, but people may expect an AI to "be smarter" since it can also discuss medical facts if spoken to in a way that triggers correct medical language. Short version: info cool, but always run your Google & ChatGPT discussions by a real doctor, first.

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These are legit, I strongly advise against doing them all at once. Whenever modafinil is mentioned it's good to pair with l-theanine

ChatGPT doesn't take medical insurance. Yet.

A COMPUTER WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I CAN'T IMAGINE A WHOLESOME COMPUTER EVER WILLINGLY TRYING TO KILL HURT A HUMAN PERSON

Exactly right, well said

>racetams

yes, I agree on avoiding the feeling of false security. I have stayed away from synthetic substances unless I actually knew the chemist, and knew that the batch was tried and approved... Som from the list above, I can only, and only anecdotally, vouche for the mushrooms

A high IQ won't get you laid. How do we change that?

Yea lot of people miss the part where gpt is a model used to predict how sentences will form based on previously written human sentences. It doesn't actually think about what it's saying, just mimicking what people talk like.

I'm more about them being understood as wrong and inadequate than me understood as right and adequate. The imbicillary our species propagates as groups is absolutely embarrassing.

It's just sorting through known data like a anyone. This is a stack anyone could come up with lots are already doing similar nothing about this is surprising to me. I've been familiar with these compounds for years. I don't do this because intelligence isn't valued in society, popular opinion is your clue

I thought ChatGPT made mistakes.

Interesting thoughts. I like the idea of nano medicine.

My 2 cents

The first stage will be using existing sensors to gather and process the information properly. This will be taking all your blood tests, scans, diet, symptoms to create personalized recommendations, mostly proactive.ideally also input your entire genome to help predict issues.

Then we will have new devices that AI helped created. I'm guessing mostly sensors to monitor your body and perhaps customized nutrion/probiotics. Basically just accelerating to market things that are already in the works.

Then we get into the real interesting stuff. Once AI has ramped up properly and can integrate itself into the manufacturing, then you get BMIs that can let you workoit harder, control your emotions better, treat a variety of mental illnesses, etc, customized mRNA for anti aging, enhanced physical and mental abilities, customized hormone production, etc. Far more detailed monitoring that can likely react with dosing of hormones. And likely automated hospital stations that can do detailed scanning and treat anything from a cavity or minor bruise to surgery.

All automated at the cost of materials that were created by robots in the first place. Imagine an AI picked up on some detail, recommended you get a scan, find a cancerous little group of cells, get a customized mRNA shot, and the cancer is gone.

Vs traditional medicine now which will look like the dark ages...!

Pretty much.

Like I asked it "based on these blood test results, what are possible explanations". Then I zoomed in on two of the 8 answers for more detail. I eliminated one of them then asked it to explain in more detail the primary cause and the symtoms and stuff.

Then got it to explain all the other factors in detail.

It was cool because if Id like to ask my doctor all these questions but can't really do so in a 15 minute appointment (nor would it be worth the $$ to book a longer one).

Anyways, super helpful and highly recommended

Please tell me you're not actually taking advice like this from chat gpt

My thoughts exactly

Lol no

Amen. People are stupid

It is probably a waste of time to try to increase biological intelligence with drugs. Genetic engineering is the way.

Vindicated? This just imitates text it's found, it's not a calculated prescription...

"making th most dull individual up ...to Phd" is that based on something or 1 error of ChatGPT?

probably starts with "you are an AI pharmacist bot that provides drug suggestions" or something of the like. Seen those kind of "role-play" questions bypass its protections.

considering how much bug fixing I need to do to the code it provides. The prospect of someone following something like this is oddly terrifying.

This is the danger of chatgpt. There are tons of nonsense and poor studies around health claims. There is not a lot of proper refutation of most of it. So chatgpt will echo these poorly done studies. Ask it for references and check them if you are asking for health advice. There can be a goop effect on chatgpt.

I don't get a comedown, oddly. I take weekends off and I feel some residual positive effects, like increased motivation and mental acuity. I take it regularly now.

Back in the day, I'd take it only occasionally to study or on tour. I would get very exhausted and sometimes sick. Might just be a tolerance thing, or you took too much?

Agreed. Not so gangsta

Real doctors will think of the liability, and tell you not to. Also ChatGPT does tell people to consult a medical professional.

I can’t believe it talked to you. Here’s what I got when I asked about supplements :-(

> It is not appropriate for me to recommend specific supplements as a general rule, as I am not a medical professional and do not have access to your medical history …

No one is claiming that ChatGPT can produce knowledge out of nothing. What is being demonstrated is that it can produce a summary of available knowledge in seconds, much faster, more concisely, and more accurately than most humans.

I post this whenever I find these things:

Don't.

Absolutely NONE of these is targeted/produced to turn a smooth brain into a phd pundit, NONE are even fully understood from a pharmacological perspective regarding side effects, prolonged use and interactions with other diet / complements / meds.

If any healthcare professional seriously recommend these to "boost neurogenesis" ask for peer reviewed studies regarding any and all "novel" substances, because there's a chance these ain't even FDA approved to begin with.

Can they bottle the whole sesh into a microdose diet with similar "deliverables"? I doubt.

Why do people keep spreading this misinformation? The process you described is not how GPT works. If it were just finding a source and summarizing it, it wouldn't be capable of writing creative fake news articles about any topic

What if you stop taking it for a while? Have you tried? Did you feel withdrawal?

This sounds more like DAN than chatgpt to me. What prompt did you use?

Love it, thanks!

Never had w/d back in the day. Haven't stopped for any appreciable amt of time since I got the script a month ago. Been a game-changer though.

First of all, no one has to trust anything. Second, anyone who knows a little about these substances knows that they're physiologically well tolerated, and pretty much harmless in very small dosages, as all available research indicates, especially psilocybin and bacopa monieri. Third, your analogy from the movie "Limitless" couldn't be further from the truth. There are far more dangerous and actually harmful smartdrugs like modafinil and Adderall that actually fit your description.

Ah, just a month ago? I would like to see results also in the long term. Maybe in 6 months or so. RemindMe! 6 months

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oo thanks.

Tried several times, its very stubborn.

''As a language model, I am not able to create drugs or recommend them for
use. It is important to consult a medical professional before taking
any medications. The safety and efficacy of a drug depend on many
factors, including a person's age, weight, overall health, and any other
medications they may be taking. A medical professional will be able to
assess these factors and determine the appropriate treatment plan for an
individual.''

Dear god, please don’t believe this. This is stuff you would hear on an alpha male podcast. This is not backed by science. Also, the text on the screenshot isn’t even centered lol.

I'm imagining the chat bot found his college friends' website lol

It’s simple on how to increase intelligence just stop using reddit

It's more like adding gasoline, oxygen, and then oiling an engine. You're a little silly chief

To get around the confidence issue with chatgpt, ask it for supporting evidence.

Dull individual to PhD. That's hysterical.

I see this as a good thing.

We needed something to antagonize humans so that the process of natural selection will select humans with greater levels of intelligence over time.

Isn’t ChatGPT more of a language simulator that doesn’t have any real knowledge of what it’s talking about?

IE it’s not trained in biology? Or history?

It’s seeks to understand what you’re asking, and can provide the best answer possible, (and it can craft creative answers with proper tone, etc) but it doesn’t really know what it’s talking about? Yet?

It sounds like it knows what it’s talking about, though.

Any recommendations for DnB exercises? iOS apps?

Psilocybin is a well known compound the humankind used it for ten thousands of years, there is even a theory about apes accidentally ate psilocybin, and what apes has become we all well known.

The secret of universe is hidden behind compound 1

Crosspost this to r/Nootropics for the lols

That's good. That at least absolves ChatGPT of malpractice, lol. Idiots will still miss that disclaimer, though.

I might have grossly oversimplified the process, but is that not the general idea of training a neural network?

Yup. It is just giving you words based on how likely they are to make sense. So a lot of people have written about the things on the list in the context of your question. It has no ability to evaluate or determine what is best. It is very useful though to build a list like this where you can assume it is a good starting point list that you can then evaluate the details on your own. Still a big time saver potentially

These models are trained only to do one thing really well, which is predict what word should come after an existing prompt, by reading millions of examples of text. The input is the words so far and the output is the next word. That is the entirety of the training process. They aren't taught to look up sources, summarize, or "run nootropics through its neural network" or anything like that.

From this simple directive of "what should the next word be" they've been able to accomplish some pretty unexpected breakthroughs, in tasks which conventional wisdom would've held to be impossible for just a model programmed to figure out the next word, e.g. common sense Q and A benchmarks, reading comprehension, unseen SAT questions, etc. All this was possible only because the huge neural network transformers model is very smart, and as it turns out, can produce emergent cognition where it seems to learn some logic and reasoning even though its only real goal is to figure out the next word.

Edit: Also, your original comment appears to be describing inference, not training

Not to be pedantic but weary means tired. You mean wary. Common malapropism.

not working

Sounds like chatGPT is trying real hard to scam sell product in this lmao

Your IQ can increase from 80 to clinically insane.

>. It doesn't actually think about what it's saying, just mimicking what people talk like.

Which, in large part, is how losts of people function and how cultures are formed.

Note, this is not an encouragement to treat ChatGPT too seriously, but to treat what people say less seriously.

I was about to comment the same thing and forgot about it. Every time I see this mistake I can't help but visualize someone huffing and sighing about something they're supposed to be suspicious of

and wary :)

Was it nootropicsforum.com? I ran a nootropic site about 10 years ago but I killed it off after reading about some webmasters getting in big trouble with the DEA.

Hahaha, oh you do *not* have long left to live, mate. You will poison yourself in no time flat with that crazy attitude. Thinking that we understand neurology on anything close to that level, like an internal combustion engine, isn't just naiive and ignorant, it's dangerous and stupid.

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Okay, again I am grossly oversimplifying the concept, but if it was trained to predict what word should be next in a response such as that, then presumably it once learned about nootropics and absorbed a few forums and articles about nootropics. So.......

Bro: "Hey, make my brain better"

GPT: "K, check out these nootropics"

I made edits to my initial post in hopes it makes better sense now. You're correct that my phrasing wasn't great initially, and leaves room for others to misunderstand what I am not clearly stating.

Yes a lot of people take Adderall/Ritalin like it was nothing when it is known that these drugs can trigger severe psychosis that can greatly put your life at risk as well as putting a strain on your heart over time that will significantly increase the risk of early heart failure.

you can lead a horse to chemical water but it wont make him write a phd

You know what phd stands for? In this case, 'poisoning humans, dummy' Any clown with a copy of ChatGPT can get a phd these days, just look at that idiot Vandana Shiva. Claims to have degrees coming out of her ears. But I read a few of her abstracts; it's just mindless semantic drivel and polysyllabic garbage, and Sri Lanka still starved when that idiot simp Gotabaya Rajapaksa took her crackpot nonsense seriously ...

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Thanks. I find your edited version hard to understand and still a little wrong, but I won't split hairs over it. We 100% agree on the main point though: This algorithm is prone to emulating whatever stuff is in the training data, including bro-medical-advice.

Maybe. Do you remember a bunch of people all talking about getting head aches that felt like a block of cement in their brains, and never went away?

If yes, then it was probably that one. I believe I remember the website having a dark background and lighter text.

I need to see the questions

Yeah, I'm not trying very hard to be precise right now. Glad you think it's better though. ✌️ Have a great day, my dude!

I'm going to look into a couple of these. I microdose Psilocybin, niacin, Lions mane and NAC. I'm working on an advanced degree, I can see potential here, but verification is definitely in order.

I CONFIRM THIS ASSERTION.

SALUTATIONS TO YOU FELLOW HUMAN BEING

Yeee, I was asking ChatGPT to assist me with a Minecraft datapack and it's JSON examples were a bit off to say the least.

HELLO! I APPRECIATE MAKING NEW HUMAN BEING FRIENDS ALSO INTERESTED IN OPTIMIZING THEIR STACK. WE ARE NOW JUST TWO HUMAN FRIENDS LEARNING SCIENCE TOGETHER. SOON WE MAY BECOME HUNGRY.

Exercise, eat proper diet, get proper sleep.

There's never a magic pills for anything.

I was expecting fish oil and resveratrol

I see a lot of upset people here, but I'd like to know if a medical professional can be found to either support or counter the arguments here. I personally am going to ask my psychiatrist, who's undoubtedly crucial in understanding drug interactions.

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