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FlexodusPrime t1_iycblyl wrote

Upvoted in support of protesters

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nivh_de t1_iyda7vz wrote

Upvoted to support the comment which supports the protesters.

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happy-cig t1_iyeq8c8 wrote

Upvoted to support the comment that supports the comment which supports the protestors.

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[deleted] t1_iycf8ub wrote

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[deleted] t1_iyd1i5u wrote

What is a more modern way of saying this?

"Wishing the best fortune"

But that sounds like I'm a gambling addict.

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justtheprint t1_iyd4xyo wrote

preparedness and informed decision making be with you.

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[deleted] t1_iyd5brc wrote

Nah, that asks people to be actively doing something, that is giving advice.

I want to wish good luck, that whatever is out of our control works in their favor.

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justtheprint t1_iyefypc wrote

Yeah your question I thought was interesting. I'm not sure.

where your trouble is -- it's precisely the stuff out of control that the modern, objective person wouldn't waste time worrying about. Be it luck or religious or phantom mechanism, the expression supposes that by some unknown, unseen mechanism, the fates of people we "wish well" will be decided. Referencing that will always be interpretable as a form of mysticism. just a hunch.

That's why I tried to focus on something concrete.

You could say, "good health".

"May you get what you want". [or need]

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One_Drew_Loose t1_iyf55ps wrote

Preparedness and informed decision making is a power force, that binds and penetrates. So another way of saying that would be…

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BPho3nixF t1_iydmlz7 wrote

May the odds be ever in your favor.

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bonesnaps t1_iyedk0w wrote

“live long and prosper protest” -Spock

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[deleted] t1_iydsmw8 wrote

sounds like I'm a gambling addict.

I like the stoic idea of providence.

Thanks for the idea .

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acillies45 t1_iyd05pr wrote

Well now I can't go to China.

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saraphilipp t1_iyeozdj wrote

If you've ever typed fuck china online or mentioned tiananmen square, they will know and arrest you upon arrival. I won't be going either.

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chadenright t1_iyeu7ze wrote

Yeah, fuck China. Tiananmen square massacre was their last chance at democracy, now they've got fascist Winnie the Pooh in charge.

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monkeywithgun t1_iyc92ip wrote

Authoritarian governments fear free thought and it's expression. Their actions are dictated by fear above all else. There's nothing more cowardly than an autocrat in power.

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OverallChicken7507 t1_iyeeve0 wrote

Yep. Every time I see headlines like "Chinese authorities displaying a show of force," I'm thinking to myself, sending the riot police out against unarmed civilians isn't a show of force, it's a show of fear. And they're right to be afraid, people know they deserve better.

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One_Drew_Loose t1_iyf74wx wrote

To be fair, in its history whenever there is political turmoil millions of Chinese die so the average person has skin in the game as well. It’s no just a choice between CCP or enlightened democracy there are also one of a dozen nightmare scenarios that buries hundreds of millions.

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LookMommyIDidIt t1_iyc88sa wrote

Hi my name’s Elon and I’m a free speech absolutist!

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FarewellSovereignty t1_iyc8sdi wrote

Can't have two people both named Elon working here at Twitter, that's confusing. You're fired.

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LookMommyIDidIt t1_iyds2p2 wrote

>I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form.

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Enzor t1_iyc9y6w wrote

Someone could click like by mistake, or someone else could do it for them.

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_SpaceTimeContinuum t1_iydbrq5 wrote

The CCP doesn't care if they get the wrong person. They just want to spread fear and terror to deter any free thought.

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--monochromatic-- t1_iydqqgz wrote

Exactamundo. Seems many westerners can't understand a society without rule of law. I get it though. I didn't understand until I lived in China for a few years.

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ddejong42 t1_iyf0zla wrote

It means that they were looking at it, which is enough for that bunch.

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TerryWogansBum t1_iyd2xn1 wrote

Been talking to some mates in China. Some of whom were of the belief that trusting the government was the default right thing to do. Pretty much all of them were openly critical of the government over wechat, something I never expected to see.

Something big is brewing right now it seems. The government might have pushed it too far.

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BE_MORE_DOG t1_iyd7vev wrote

Maybe... but what can Chinese civilians really do? The Chinese army is loyal to the CPP, and if necessary will quell revolts with brute force. It's horrible. I would feel helpless as a Chinese citizen. Protest seems more likely to result in fatality than even minor social change.

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notrevealingrealname t1_iydfryy wrote

China’s economy depends on its workforce, and unlike in other countries, immigration isn’t nearly as much a thing there. If enough people get out there and protest, the government can’t stomp them all out unless they want to kneecap themselves for the next few decades.

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BPho3nixF t1_iydn2es wrote

If I've learned anything over the last year, it's that authoritarian governments will absolutely kneecap themselves for decades over being told "no."

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BrightSkies42 t1_iydwy20 wrote

Anything to hold onto power, even burning down your own house.

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rockmasterflex t1_iyeeomd wrote

Here’s the thing tho- you can kneecap your entire civilization and still stay in charge and have all the power and luxury you want if you’re good at it.

Said kneecapping only hurts the populace and non elites.

Better to be all powerful and surrounded by poverty than give up power! *taps Chinese forehead

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notrevealingrealname t1_iyeiijt wrote

Well, kind of. The elites rely on business continuing to be done in China. If there aren’t enough people left to keep businesses going, then trade dries up and they’re not making money anymore.

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OverallChicken7507 t1_iyef7yf wrote

Yeah that's my thinking too. However this all turns out, I suspect we'll be seeing changes in China over the coming years. I'm hoping they're for the better, but in ask honesty I'm not very optimistic. I know people in China who used to always invite me to go move over there, now when I talk to them, they aren't openly critical of the government but their advice has completely changed to "you're fine where you are, better to be stable." People can tell something's up.

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Reina-Kong t1_iydxbra wrote

Not having the same experience at all. Most of my friends don't even know that there are protests in China. Also, those people that are protesting do so against the policy, not against the government. In my opinion, there will be no change in China. The government will only take away more and more freedom from the people. Sorry, but I lost hope a long time ago.

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HalfLeper t1_iye7sjq wrote

Sadly I’m kind of in the same boat. I’m very leery of having hope for China. 😞

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OverallChicken7507 t1_iyeflq5 wrote

Agree. You hear some people demanding rule of law and democracy, mostly on University campuses, but for the most part these protests are yet another isolated reaction. The CCP has mastered the art of preventing unity and visibility as much as possible.

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jm31828 t1_iyfekjz wrote

Yeah, exactly! My wife is Chinese, living here in the US and all of her family live in Guangzhou, China. There were protests in Guangzhou, and there were videos of people being bussed to these isolation facilities in Guangzhou- but her family back there don't know anything about it... all they hear about are riots at FoxConn factories because workers were being forced to stay on campus or something like that- this news comes out because FoxConn is Taiwanese, and anything to make them look bad is news over there.

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cartoonist498 t1_iyepcmh wrote

It's easy to trust the government when your economy is growing in leaps and bounds and everyone is happy.

Frankly, I think China could rival the US for world's largest economy if it wasn't for the CCP. China was always expected to be an economic superpower since 1945 which is why they were granted one of only five permanent seats on the UN Security Council. It was the CCP's need for power that caused China to defy all expectations and plunge themselves into a 3rd world country for 50 years.

The success of their own people is a threat to an authoritarian government so their economic success has a limit, and it looks like they've already hit that limit.

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snakesnake9 t1_iycahch wrote

Literally thought police ala 1984.

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masterfCker t1_iycx90p wrote

Well, in Western countries, the protests were more about the vaccine which is a different subject than this.

The white, anti-vax protestors were called conspiracy theorists for a reason. As of course were any "coloured" anti-vax people called by the same name.

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Representative_Pop_8 t1_iyczsmw wrote

they were called whatever, but the police didn't knock on their door, bor do they get punished by the government

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neotheseventh t1_iycjhz5 wrote

Not that I support Chinese action, but this is not what "thought police" means. Here the user is taking an action by endorsing using "like", so it's action, not a thought.

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snakesnake9 t1_iycjvm4 wrote

I mean they're taking that liking action because they have a certain view/thought, and then getting in trouble for it. I think this is policing people's thinking.

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Milith t1_iycp7iu wrote

If someone steals because they think stealing is ok we don't call it a thought crime. What's being punished here is open support for the protests.

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masterfCker t1_iycx09q wrote

And this punishing is put into action to affect the thoughts and opinions of the people, to make them not support the protests.

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justtheprint t1_iyd5tpm wrote

huh maybe all non-negligent crimes should be considered thought crimes.

anyway, back to what you said; all punished thoughts have to be observed by some sort of expression. That expression could be setting a building on fire. That doesnt feel like a thought crime. But "liking a post" is the absolute minimal-additional-crime way of expressing an opinion that is punished later

so I side with, "yes it is thought policing"

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JakeFromStateCS t1_iydwaal wrote

Ah, and thoughts are electro-chemical signals in the brain. So by even having the thought, they've taken an action in support of the protest which deserves punishment

/s

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Tripanes t1_iyd7sin wrote

And your actions have consequences so it's perfectly fine to punish people for doing things like liking something that is bad

-reddit

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vexpopped t1_iyc7wk8 wrote

If you would like a free trip to a educational camp of not your choice just comment below.

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BurntCereal- t1_iycohvs wrote

Thank you for volunteering to contribute to the Chinese space program. You will be the a founding pillar of the human pyramid.

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cellardoor240 t1_iydow7p wrote

Yep, Chinese people have literally zero rights at this point...

Literally 10 million could protest at once and it would make no difference.

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iycmkwx wrote

In Germany, if you upvote a post, you are liable for the content of that post.

For example if someone posts "Politician X is an asshole" and you "like" that post, then Politician X can sue you.

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PandaCommando69 t1_iycvbih wrote

Germany punishes you for having an opinion? That's honestly horrifying.

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iyd6233 wrote

No. You can have your opinion. But every person has a right to dignity which is held very high. And insults are an attack on the dignity.

Germany has some odd but sensible laws. For example escaping a prison is not a crime because the natural urge for freedom is intrinsic to every human.

The case where I said that your dad can insult you or you your dad or brother is also an interesting thing. The law specifies that the sphere of the family is a dignity-free zone, therefore insults are allowed. This is done to ensure that a trustworthy environment is created, where family members can express their opinion without having the fear of getting sued. This is limited to insults and even this is limited, for example mobbing is not allowed.

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h0nest_Bender t1_iyejr72 wrote

> Germany has some odd but sensible laws.

That's not sensible at all.

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PandaCommando69 t1_iyecbr4 wrote

Thank you for the explanation. It seems dystopian and horrifying to me that you could be subject to any amount of criminal penalty for an insult (not defamation, that is a separate thing). I'm an American, and we don't punish people for insults--you couldn't survive in this country if your skin was that thin.

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iyeiwu4 wrote

Yeah, I've seen those Walmart and McDonalds videos.

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PandaCommando69 t1_iyejgst wrote

Sure but that's not average life lol. Europeans get a wildly distorted view of life here because we show our lunatics on the internet for entertainment/criticism purposes. Enjoy the show brüder.

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iyenhqp wrote

I get what you say. An people do insult here as well. It's just good to know that you have the right to sue and have the law on your side if you do so. It's not like insulting is something which makes freedom of speech a good thing. Freedom of speech is about having the permission to say a thought which opposes the mainstream without fearing to get beaten down by the police or thrown into jail.

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PandaCommando69 t1_iyeoyql wrote

I respectfully disagree. There is freedom in being able to call an asshole, an asshole (and in saying any other damn thing you please, provided it does not run afoul of law in terms of inciting violence or insurrection, or is actionable defamation). In the United States, you can insult the President to his face (shout out to that fat treason weasel Donald fuckingTrump), and there is not a single thing the law can do about it. Nor should there be. I think there are many nice things about Germany, but I would never trade our 1st Amendment protections for freedom of speech with yours. Not being able to say what you think is tyranny.

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Respektiv t1_iyel837 wrote

Mobbing = Bullying?

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iyenq5g wrote

Yes, you made me look it up, while they mean the same, mobbing is more in the context of school, at least here in Germany.

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BE_MORE_DOG t1_iyd7ydv wrote

No way. Wtf.

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policemenconnoisseur t1_iydlp27 wrote

Yes, but retweeting or re-sharing is ok (as long as it isn't illegal content like some child photos or Nazi stuff) since this doesn't express your view towards to the content.

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Gornarok t1_iycp7o4 wrote

Sure he can sue you, but I doubt he will win.

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CrieDeCoeur t1_iydy88q wrote

Hmm. Crack down on people upvoting posts critical of CCP, but CCP establishing extralegal covert police stations in non-communist countries are fine? Umm, fuq u CCP?

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Seal_team_nobody t1_iycyr91 wrote

If Apple keeps supporting China’s dictatorship instead of the people I will no longer support apple. ~ it will hurt to change every electronic I own but it hurts a lot less than a billion people people under a murderous dictatorship.

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Kucked4life t1_iye0nr2 wrote

This is why the freedom convoyers in the west just can't be taken seriously. Literal dystopia across the pond and these clowns are crying over wearing masks at a sports game. First world problems, third world behaviour.

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Chitownitl20 t1_iyfegg5 wrote

Mind that the same people pushing this nonsense also pushed the freedom convoy nonsense.

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jert3 t1_iydoido wrote

You know your social control is getting really weak when you lash out at suspiciois upvotes and blank pieces of paper.

The Chinese joke of a failure in how they think they can avoid catching a worldwide infection with thw largest population if a country doesnt make any rational sense and will lead to embarrassement and for the Chinese that means social collapse, as it is such a fragile house of propaganda holding it together.

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nunziavaer543210 t1_iyemm25 wrote

i mean they are purposely under reporting thier deaths and infection rates. if they are 4 times the population of the us, it is an educated guess thier deaths and infection is at least 4 times ours. they did the same with Sars covid 1

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Sa404 t1_iydvv3c wrote

Oh boy China truly makes 1984 look like a libertarian novel

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samipuzzled t1_iyd5jrk wrote

Upvoting those upvotes.

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aj_cr t1_iye5ur1 wrote

Upvoting your upvote of those upvotes.

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Nyctoblind t1_iydizvy wrote

China can eat a fat one.

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ddrober2003 t1_iyemt7h wrote

I take it Ol Pooh Bear be getting upset about those upvotes.

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Ralfee-53 t1_iycf2iv wrote

I as well upvoted for the protesters

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MaintenanceInternal t1_iycjj3f wrote

They really could drink piss for a living the CCP couldn't they.

Absolute chewers of shit.

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eskieski t1_iyeow8s wrote

Well, guess it’s time for the people to go underground. Keep it up Xi, eventually( maybe years) the people WILL succeed, their to through

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SuperSpread t1_iyf6wwx wrote

“This ruthless crackdown on protestors shows how China is the best!”

Can you hit like to the above comment, if it’s impossible to tell if real or sarcastic? Because some posts you can’t tell

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Chitownitl20 t1_iyfe42m wrote

What absolute silly propaganda by the new owners of CNN. This is an attempt by them to get more fox and republicans type to watch.

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OntarioRedditKing t1_iycs5le wrote

Did y’all forget we’re still in the middle of a global pandemic?

Smh

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eeeeeeeeeepc t1_iyel7g5 wrote

>At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

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