But this isn't the reason for the preference of lily white Caucasian skin over tanned Caucasian skin, which is what we're talking about here. You'll note that white supremacists don't give a shit whether or not a white person has a tan or not. Just that they're Caucasian.

Yes they existed. But not in great number and usually limited to large metropolises. English people outside of London had not mixed with black people, no. And we're not talking about the 1920's here. We're talking pre 1800's. Stop calling people dense when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Back in those days, very few people outside of London had seen a black person. Shakespeare was not of the ordinary British working classes. He was writing about a concept that was not a part of the vast majority of British people's lives. It was an "exotic" subject which didn't reflect the lives of ordinary Brits in any way.

>but the two concepts are intrinsically linked - reverence for lily white skin back in those days was intrinsically associated with white supremacy in every place where white supremacy existed

No it wasn't, it was intrinsically linked to pale skin being seen as a status symbol given that rich and privileged people had the palest skin through non exposure to the sun, as I've explained before. White supremacy was not a concept in the minds of ordinary people at that time, as much as you wish it were.

>not to mention the fact that the reverence for lily white skin furthered white supremacy in places where it didnt have a strong foothold

It might well have done, yes. But white supremacy wouldn't gain any kind of foothold among ordinary white people until they started mixing with non white people and developing ignorant (and sometimes superstitious) ideas about them.

>now if you had said that the concepts existed separately from each other that would have been closer to true - but still debateabl

Well they did, because the admiration of pale skin back then was a way for ordinary white people to discriminate against each other, not other races.

>youre right there - its not like anybody in europe ever heard of the dark skinned moors that invaded christendom in the 7th century despite being mentioned in half the novels of the era

This doesn't mean that ordinary people in the UK had mixed with black people to form ideas of racial superiority, no. Again, it was all about class.

Which white supremacists of the era? We're talking about ordinary European people who had never even seen a black person let alone mixed with them. Pale white skin then was seen as an indicator of having been wealthy enough to stay indoors instead of working in the sun, and that's all there is to it. Race wasn't even an issue among common people in the UK until the immigration of West Indians, Africans, Indians and Pakistanis in the 20th century.

Keep grasping at straws. The preference for pale white skin back in those days as an indicator of class had nothing whatsoever to do with race.

Oh stop it. You're talking about a time when the vast majority of people in the UK hadn't even seen a black person. There was no racial element whatsover, it was 100% class.

Yeah the reverence for lily white skin back in those days had nothing to do with white supremacy and everything to do with the status symbol of not having to work outside. You'll hear "lily white skin" referenced a lot in old English folk songs to describe the beauty of a woman, and while that's problematic to today's audiences for obvious reasons, it had no racist connotations back in the day.

I can't believe I've gone my whole life assuming those little bastards were anus-free.

Right wing religious bigot nut jobs, fuck them and their chicken.

Oh they bombed themselves did they? Good, good.

Stabbing has always freaked me out since the Billy Batts murder scene in Goodfellas. Yuck yuck yuck. I would have shot this piece of shit too. Knifings are one of the worst ways to go.

Just get a nice pillowy sleep mask. Absolute pitch black heaven.

I hate blue LED's. My eyes can't focus on them properly. If you show me a red LED ticker alongside a blue one, the red letters are pin sharp to me and the blue letters are blurred as if I'm not wearing glasses.

"Use the AC" - lol. If you're having to put the AC on to counteract excessive, unhealthy heat from your radiators, it's time to talk to the landlord. It's just pure insanity. The amount of energy wasted on heat in this city is insane and probably counters much of the green gains we get from city living.

Two toddlers were scalded to death in New York a few years ago this way. It was horrific. They were cooked alive as they slept.

I shut my radiator off completely years ago because it was so hot I was constantly sick and miserable. Even with all the windows open in winter. I was running my frigging AC in winter to compensate. Radiator heating is way too extreme in this city and I honestly don't know who likes it. Everyone I know complains their apartment is way too hot. It's such a waste of energy.