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Buffmin t1_j8ei2ai wrote
This is why I have issues with religious groups giving aid. I hope they actually help people but demanding they go to a service of a specific religion is bullshit and abusive
I mean I guess people who aren't Christians but another religion are just SoL
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8eiulb wrote
Yeah, I find this gross and manipulative.
imamunster123 t1_j8ej8br wrote
I can't help but wonder how people would feel about an organization like this enforcing weekly attendance to a Jewish synagogue or a Muslim mosque. Surely nobody would have anything to say about that, right?
Also this is basically admitting that you have the means and facilities to help people but are refusing to do so unless they subject themselves to 1 hour of propaganda a week.
Buffmin t1_j8ejkos wrote
It definitely is. The person requiring help is powerless here. If one is desperate enough they will do whatever to get needed aid.
Same shit missionaries do "stop following your religion and worship ours or we won't bring you food anymore"
if anyone here is thinking "this doesn't sound so bad its only an hour or so a week and you can pick the church!" Let me ask you this. What if it were a Muslim group demanding this?
egJohn t1_j8ejn8z wrote
tax the fucking churches
Buffmin t1_j8ejwq3 wrote
They'd be screaming how this is a sign of the end times and how much Christianity is persecuted
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-js23 t1_j8el5yd wrote
It’s carbon county after all…
madmanz123 t1_j8en2c4 wrote
Not sure why you are being downvoted, you are directly quoting the webpage, not endorsing the rule.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8ennfr wrote
Or even "idc if you don't believe in a god at all, we're forcing you to partake in religion in hopes you'll cling to it bc we know you're hungry/unhoused". What a fucking disgrace. Honestly culty. You wanna help people, genuinely? Help them without pushing your fairy tales onto them.
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dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8eoaaa wrote
Bc of their comment stating "it is our hope". Implies they're involved. They also haven't said boo about being against it.
relaxed-bread t1_j8epjno wrote
I don’t understand how a grant can be awarded and then not released. I don’t understand why change in leadership at the grantee organization would affect a previously awarded grant unless the organization chooses to terminate its participation in the grant or the change somehow makes them non compliant with federal CDBG regulations.
If this is a pass through of federal money (ie federal block grant awarded to the state, then parceled out to the county) then there are compliance requirements for Peaceful Knights as a grantee. The authorizing statute for the CDBG programs contains a specific statutory prohibition on religious discrimination in these programs.
ETA: Aggie Schoenberger was just at the Palmerton Chamber of Commerce Meeting this month talking about how she couldn’t get government funding because of her religious requirements. No mention of this from her at that time..
delco_trash t1_j8epnvq wrote
Someone needs to report this to the AG
No-Setting9690 t1_j8erkes wrote
So a gov't grant is being given to a shelter that requires Christianity? Did I get that right? How in the fuck did that get approved? I hate religion. Bunch of intolerant fucks.
madmanz123 t1_j8esv5q wrote
Right, but if you click the link, you see it's a direct quote.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8et1ty wrote
Again, they didn't say they were against it.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8etane wrote
Mhm. If you note the downvotes I'm getting, the "intolerant fucks" are here in this thread. I wouldn't want to come to any of them if I was in need. A lot of my identity, including being a queer woman with a functioning uterus, is politicized and demonized by a lot of people like that.
No-Setting9690 t1_j8eud8k wrote
lol, of course they are. I'm a straight white male, and they can still go fuck themselves. I cannot stand they way they go out of their way to make others feel the way they do. Sorry they exist and have to treat you that way.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8ewmqd wrote
For arguments sake, OP please clarify if you are for, against, or neutral about this.
ETA - thank you, now no one should be downvoting you. And your feelings are important!
madmanz123 t1_j8eymyd wrote
Again, they also didn't say they were for it. It's a direct quote. I'm not sure I can simplify it for ya more.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8ezoy7 wrote
Do you think it's wise to post controversial shit and not decry it while using inclusive language? We can pretend it means nothing.
madmanz123 t1_j8f1a9g wrote
No, I think people only put a certain level of effort to post things and dumb people don't follow links before downvoting because their too in a hurry to be outraged. It's a shitty policy, but I'm not going to assume the person who bothered to look up the details and repost them for our use is a shitty person by default because they didn't check enough boxes for you. Settle down and go be mad at the right people.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8f1lpb wrote
🙄✌🏻 you have a good one, this isn't worth my energy
madmanz123 t1_j8f43cu wrote
See, the thing is you should have figured that out before your first comment ;) Take it easy and drink some tea.
dogmomdrinkstea t1_j8f49vh wrote
Or, hear me out, I'm not gonna argue with someone who somehow thinks I'm responsible for multiple people downvoting and insulting my intelligence. Take it easy and quit being a "mad man".
ZebZ t1_j8f756h wrote
Always an ulterior motive to brainwash susceptible people.
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Cheesehacker t1_j8fbhe4 wrote
Speaking as a veteran who has been homeless more than once, this is the norm. Most “charities” or shelters come with the condition that you have to worship how they want you to.
iqzium t1_j8fc2zo wrote
Ooof don’t cut yourself on that edge!
mynameisalso OP t1_j8fcyug wrote
Why would I word the title like that if I was in favor of it?
mynameisalso OP t1_j8fd488 wrote
I'm against it. But my feelings aren't particularly important.
Pink_Slyvie t1_j8felz3 wrote
>I can't help but wonder how people would feel about an organization like this enforcing weekly attendance to a Jewish synagogue or a Muslim mosque. Surely nobody would have anything to say about that, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langar_(Sikhism)
This sorta comes to mind, not the same, but still.
Really, this is why we have gov't. Not for military bases in every other nation, but to help people.
Plane_Vanilla_3879 t1_j8fha45 wrote
Praise be Satan
49GTUPPAST t1_j8fjg4p wrote
This is the right answer
Chuck1705 t1_j8fjqsy wrote
Separation of Church and State anyone?!
Advanced_Machine5550 t1_j8fm0oy wrote
What he said.
Advanced_Machine5550 t1_j8fm4wm wrote
What he said.
jamisonian123 t1_j8fnr5q wrote
Isn’t it kind of extortion?
jamisonian123 t1_j8fnvdx wrote
Humanism is the way.
Buffmin t1_j8fp15r wrote
Yup. It's not that much different than a ceo asking the new employee for sex with their power dynamic
LostWave7485 t1_j8fqq9d wrote
There is nothing in the actual attached article explaining the “attendance.”
This in itself, makes me suspicious.
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jamisonian123 t1_j8fxzu9 wrote
Why anyone in the world would downvote practicing Humanism over Christianity is beyond me. Kurt Vonnegut would be disappointed.
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polgara_buttercup t1_j8g8nji wrote
A lot of today’s Christians really ignore all that red text in the Bible
polgara_buttercup t1_j8g8x94 wrote
Charity shouldn’t be transactional.
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8g9qvt wrote
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8g9uwk wrote
Then don’t use their schools or hospitals or food pantries or homeless shelters
misjessica t1_j8gbwe6 wrote
Is that a direct quote from Jesus?
egJohn t1_j8gchjq wrote
if Jesus can afford super bowl ads then he can afford to pay taxes.
i would love to hear your reasoning as to why he can't
sneakysquid102 t1_j8gfaps wrote
I'm a Christian myself but I have to agree with everyone with your attitude towards the religion. It's been twisted and carved into this.. not so Christian thing by our corrupted leaders. Everything they do is the right thing because " that's what God wants ". They've more than dragged the Christian name through the dirt. And 90% of the religion is just a money scam today.
" Come to church and give 20 bucks every Sunday or you'll go to hell. "
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8gifxs wrote
From me. I presume Jesus would forgive you. I am not as nice.
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8giklo wrote
You know there are other religions who don’t have nonprofit schools and hospitals. Why not ask them?
behls16 t1_j8gkcws wrote
Fuck carbon county politics and fuck the rag that is the times news and the festering shit bag umbrella that is Pencor. All fucking garbage. No place more out of touch with how the world has evolved than fuckin bumblefuck carbon county.
Tria821 t1_j8gqfxd wrote
I'm tired of seeing people hide behind religion or, more particularly, religious persecution when there are so many other, obvious reasons for why people and/or programs aren't bending over backwards to award things to them.
Tria821 t1_j8gqoqs wrote
But PenCor has a monopoly on internet access and owns the only newspaper and cable company in the area. Apparently they are fine with capitalism as long as they don't have to deal with that pesky, pesky competition part of it.
Yen-sama t1_j8gww12 wrote
Oh the irony.
Ain't no love like Christian love.
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8gx4go wrote
You are a bigot
xTwilightPrincess t1_j8gxh8x wrote
Look in a mirror.
archguy20 t1_j8hbmed wrote
This take is really shockingly ignorant
“Demanding they go to a service of a specific religion is bullshit and abusive” - you can disagree with the approach but words matter, equating a relig. service requirement to abuse is absurd. The majority of people would not agree with that characterization.
“People who aren’t christians are SOL” - No, they will still be offered services discrimination free but are still subject to this private organizations mass requirement if they want to participate. If they are Muslim or another religion they can find Muslim orgs or mosques to render them aid, I imagine many do. If you give aid you are allowed to attach conditions to it.
HogwartsKate t1_j8hia5t wrote
When Reagan was prez, Dianne Feinstein did the same. She brought to that shelter a yuge ton of $$$. Wasnt happy and complained. She defended it.
Buffmin t1_j8hig4t wrote
misjessica t1_j8hj990 wrote
Yes, I agree. He would probably not forgive someone like you.
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8hknlg wrote
Big sad :-( I don’t have to forgive any you are ridiculous. If your don’t like religious associated social services then don’t use them. No one cares.
zR0B3ry2VAiH t1_j8hoc0a wrote
I'd go to Church in basic training for candy.
tunuvfun t1_j8hqsee wrote
Thank you for uploading this. Carbon County is one of those counties in northeast PA that hides in plain sight. It's the lower Poconos. Some (very) rich people know that if you want the real Poconos these days, you either go far northwest or far southeast. tnonline.com is its only news outlet, and it's excellent. which is sad, because much more that is newsworthy happens in this county than one might suspect. tnonline.com never gets the credit or funding it deserves. Those American Recovery funds should go to it.
A much larger county's media confided in me they rely on pure chance to cover what happens in the courthouse in Jim Thorpe. This credentialed reporter confided County leaders know that trips by media from out of the area are arduous, time-consuming, and--in Jim Thorpe.
I made this comment however for another reason. A friend is experiencing a very similar problem regarding the federal government overlooking enforced religion. (FWIW, I'm a practicing Christian.) Religious icons of a very distinct religion are allowed to be hung on the walls and placed virtually all over a government--HUD--subsidized building, and management has been made aware of it. The building is funded by the Pennsylvania Housing Finance Agency, which apparently is a-okay with the silent preaching.
The religious icons are only getting more numerous. (Hint: the believers aren't Jews or Muslims.)
delusions- t1_j8ht198 wrote
Ask them what? To pay 1% of nothing?
delusions- t1_j8ht70c wrote
>today
Have you heard of purchasing alms, or who Jesus chased out of the church with a whip?
delusions- t1_j8htcz4 wrote
>about the One that is providing a roof over their heads.
I'm this case uh the government?
chaqalaqalaqa t1_j8hubd9 wrote
As an anti-religion person, if religions would stick to helping people it would be wonderful.
Instead, many, especially evangelicals, are trying to push their hateful beliefs down our throats.
akennelley t1_j8i0yrc wrote
Yeah, Candy was pretty hot.
69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j8i4vpx wrote
Maybe we could fund something through impartial government agencies, using payments called "taxes," that could serve everyone equally regardless of creed, instead of relying on religious institutions that can discriminate. Just spitballing here.
69FunnyNumberGuy420 t1_j8i4zdl wrote
You are a hypocrite.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j8i8vnf wrote
You can't reason with or have a conversation in good faith with religious folks when they believe their beliefs are divine. It's the root cause of our division in this country.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j8i90jw wrote
If you don't worship their god they won't help you. How Christian of them.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j8i92ax wrote
> I am not as nice.
Yeah, we know.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j8i9a1t wrote
There is not a single solitary thing that religion offers that cannot be accomplished without it. It's totally unnecessary to helping people however the religious, especially Christians, believe they have a monopoly on being able to help people.
HeyZuesHChrist t1_j8i9h8u wrote
Imagine if a shelter that required people go attend a Muslim prayer session once a week was given a grant like this. The same people who support this forced Christian service would lose their fucking minds.
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sneakysquid102 t1_j8ibm6f wrote
I have not heard of that lol.
sneakysquid102 t1_j8ibreb wrote
Agreed. I was raised in a Christian home and its a riot trying to explain the things I do and how I see things to my parents. They just don't get it. Or care to get it.
worstatit t1_j8idwn2 wrote
Conversion is the goal of all religious charity.
Zenith2017 t1_j8ietg8 wrote
That's cool! However there are also other religions who don't spend millions lobbying Congress while they hide the fact that their clergy rapes kids and hate gay people
Zenith2017 t1_j8if11s wrote
Your religion openly condemns gay people and celebrates raping children
Zenith2017 t1_j8if6co wrote
Explain yourself
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8ifvsv wrote
Not true of any religion
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archguy20 t1_j8ik6gp wrote
Edited my orig comment to add what I thought the previous commenter was wrong about
Zenith2017 t1_j8in6s3 wrote
How very Christian of them - worship or suffer
susinpgh t1_j8irp4j wrote
Yeah, usually the granting organization has certain requirements, like it can't be tied to worship. One of the other programs doesn't require church attendance, so the grant for that program probably has a stipulation that it can't support that type of activity.
dirtt_dawg t1_j8iwi9d wrote
C4bl3Fl4m3 t1_j8j6iev wrote
I believe they meant purchasing indulgences.
cuppa_tea_4_me t1_j8j7k47 wrote
Excellent example. The most giving people.
[deleted] t1_j8jemdq wrote
If I have guests stay with me, I ask that they respect my rules as well.
mynameisalso OP t1_j8jn472 wrote
They aren't staying with you. It's the tax payers dime.
[deleted] t1_j8jntny wrote
If you stay at my place and I get a tax rebate, you’re still staying at my place.
Palindromes__ t1_j8jpqbh wrote
Name one other religion that uses its money and “power” to influence legislation, back candidates and inject itself into so many aspects of our lives and government. I’ll wait.
mynameisalso OP t1_j8kywmo wrote
No, you can't receive tax funds and only accept christians. Our country our rules. If you don't like it live in Afghanistan where religion is more intertwined with government.
[deleted] t1_j8l1xyc wrote
Do you feel the same way about college funding? And about infrastructure? And about poc-focused college admissions?
Also, do you realize that nearly 80% of our country identifies as believers of an Abrahamic god? Do you really want to stick with the ‘our country, our god’ dogma? Cause that’s how you get people stoned for fucking people of the same sex.
Historical-Recipe892 t1_j8mt0fb wrote
They are never required to believe any particular faith, just to hear for 1 hour per week about the One that is providing a roof over their heads.
Considering they need all this grant money, sounds like "the One" putting a roof over their heads is the government.
mynameisalso OP t1_j8efqoh wrote
As you can see here. https://www.peacefulknights.org/
"Weekly church attendance is required (Christian church of their choice). They are never required to believe any particular faith, just to hear for 1 hour per week about the One that is providing a roof over their heads. And of course, it is our hope and prayer that their faith grows while they are with us."
That's a quote obviously I'm against it because of the title you would think it'd be obvious.