Non-stop to LAX will be cool!

These smaller-scale airlines always pop up in Rhode Island and immediately leave a year later. Remember when you could take a flight from TF Green to Iceland? That lasted for a whole year or two...

Well the particular fiasco you are referring to was Norwegian Airlines. Their business model was based on an all 737 max fleet. Then the 737max ban happened and they could not run the route profitably using the fuel thirsty 737-800 series. It wasn't a Rhode Island thing. Anyhow, why not root for Breeze because, if it succeeds, many non-stop routes not currently served will be.

Breeze would definitely be a win for RI if it works out

Yeah until it disappears in 4 months. Same thing> Every. Time.

There are other stories of airlines connecting small markets non-stop. I remember taking a (nice) 6-person corporate jet to and from Pittsburgh out of TF Green about 7 years ago, can't remember the name of the carrier. They disappeared.

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Also, Breeze is setting up a base of operations. Those others (Norwegian, and soon to be Frontier) operated flights, but did not set up a base/hub.

I've flown Breeze several times now. On time departures and arrivals, new planes, friendly flight crews. With PVD becoming a base it could also improve reliability with local crews and spare planes. Perhaps I've just been lucky so far but hoping they can keep it going.

I'm rooting for Breeze, but I have my doubts that they'll succeed.

My biggest gripe is the infrequency and unreliability of their flights.

If a flight gets delay/cancelled, there isn't another flight on that route for 2-4 days, so booking anything when you're on a tight timeline isn't really practical given their current schedules.

I hope that them setting up a base here will improve some of the performance issues I've experienced from them over the past couple years.

I wish more Rhode Islanders would support TF Green over Logan. It is so much more convenient. Even if you have a connection it is easier.

Pittsburgh is back with Breeze!

I’d argue those same issues are true for the larger carriers as well.

Air travel is basically a Greyhound bus with wings. Long gone are the days when you could consistently rely on a flight a few hours later if yours is canceled.

Wow, how expensive was that??

> I wish more Rhode Islanders would support TF Green over Logan

Do many people not? The only reason I would ever consider the likes of Logan or Bradley is if they have a direct flight when PVD doesn't. And even then, it would be a tossup.

There always seem to be people on Reddit asking for the best way to get to Logan from RI.

>they have a direct flight when PVD doesn't

This is pretty much going to be the case for most flights to a non-hub city. It’s 7-10 hours to get to Dallas from PVD. It’s 6 going from Logan which makes a day trip possible. You also don’t blow a day of travel if you have an issue with a connection - if your outbound flight is cancelled you have a more productive day and at least will be able to call into a meeting.

Was it Sun Country? They were in PVD for a bit, I did a flight to Minneapolis a couple times and it was good but the airline pulled out after a year or two.

At the risk of being a “well ackshully” guy…there are only so many flights that fly out of Green/Warwick. It sucks, but it’s true.

You can connect with one stop to anywhere in the world on United. You connect at Newark or Dulles or Chicago and the world awaits.

I guess it depends where you travel. I travel all over Europe and other international destinations and Boston is missing a lot of cities so would be at least a stop out of Boston plus the commute to Boston. Out of PVD I connect to Newark or Dulles and you can get anywhere.

I think they chartered a business jet (six seats). Apples and oranges.

I’m for sure rooting for breeze. I’m a huge aviation geek and pvd desperately needs more flights to anywhere lol. More flights= cheaper flights=less need to go to Boston. But unfortunately, it’s gonna be hard for pvd to attract international flights when it’s squished between Boston and nyc.

It's not that different: a commercial carrier markets its trips on a regular schedule between two under-served (they think) airports. The requisite number of pax never shows up, and they fold. The only difference is the size of the plane. Providence is never going to generate enough non-stop traffic at prevailing prices to keep a carrier afloat, and the bigger the plane, the steeper the wall they need to climb to stay solvent.

I was able to expense it to a non-profit consulting client, so it couldn't have been that expensive. About what you'd pay to connect through Newark or O'Hare on a large carrier like United.

Ah totally missed that part of the comment.

True, good point

nonstop > 1-stop

Pro for more Int'l flights leaving Teddy Greene: Not dealing with Boston or NYC.

If ri had a few connections to Europe and LATAM enough to promote competition, that would be great. I understand having to go to Boston for lengthy international journies like to Asia or Eastern Europe that the prov market could never support. But some of these routes to LATAM or Eastern Europe is literally 6 hours or under total. Short enough to be able to use a medium sized aircraft ( a321 for example) that can easily be filled due to its capacity of around 200 people.

What I communicated further below is that Boston does not have as strong an international network as other east coast airports. So...you end up having a stop even when flying out of Boston in many instances. So I would rather have a one stop in Newark or Dulles out of PVD than a commute to Boston and a stop somewhere else.

It could be attributed to the "Hub and spoke" model.

>It’s 7-10 hours to get to Dallas from PVD

Can support this; PVD to DTW to KAUS. 90 Min on the first leg and five hour transit time (four hours corrected for the time zone change)

Funny enough, the Boss was still not happy (rather I spend more time in the airports on connections getting a flight into Killeen instead of having to pay two guys two hours each to roundtrip to Austin)

With the length of runway 5-23 being at 8700' it's comparable to the 4/22's at Logan (4L/22R = 7864' and 4R/22L = 10006').

What TF Green has,

1. Easy access to the Highway,
2. Cheap Parking
3. Being where the Patriots fly out from

RIAC gives airlines free rent for 6 months. After that, the airline can decide whether to stay and pay sky high rent at T.F. Green, or go elsewhere. That’s why a lot of these airlines don’t stick around. The rent is way too high and not worth it.

Well yeah, of course less driving and cheaper parking with the same number of layovers is preferable.

Flights from PVD to EWR and LGA get delayed contstantly. I would avoid connecting through them if I could.

I guess my frustration is that many people (not you) automatically assume Logan is better because it is larger and do not even consider that PVD might actually be better in many cases...even for international travel and sometimes even point to point...use it or lose it as they say..and I want PVD to thrive.

I actually would argue Boston has a pretty darn good international network for the east coast. Not like jfk obviously, but pretty good. Avianca just restarted flights to bogota from Boston yesterday, as a example .

Not just that, but some of the flight paths were incredibly random. Providence to Ireland? Wildly popular with Americans, especially due to decently sized Irish populations located here.

Providence to.....Bergen Norway? Absolutely obscure and got cancelled a few months later due to lack of interest. Norway is a beautiful country, but there was never a market for Norwegians to flood into RI or RI to flood into the second most populated city in Norway

No driving to boston can cut your air fare in half many times so expensive trips go out of boston

Gotcha, agreed

It needs to be quite a bit cheaper to warrant flying out of Boston.

Airport parking in Boston is essentially twice as expensive as TF Green, plus the added time and frustration of going to an airport that is over an hour away versus one that is 10 minutes away.

I can't speak to LaGuardia but never had a problem at Newark. But then again I never do under a two hour connection. Latest flight had was 20 minutes.

I said it didn't have as strong an international network as Newark or Dulles which is true. They have a decent international roster, I agree

Only after they acquire 10-15 more planes. Otherwise, nope. I cannot waste anymore time and money with their BS.

They have 60 A220s on order

I guess I'll wait until they're operating. But the current 5-6 planes aren't cutting it, especially when they're falling apart when they're new.

Hey, in 2019 we flew to Ireland from Green via Philly. Would I have rather nonstop? 100%. It was cheaper, and we had a membership with the airline. That being said, no stops is better than stops.

Sun Country is still flying out of PVD. They used to have a direct flight to New Orleans which they stopped doing, but the flight to Minneapolis is still going.

At this point, convenience is more important to me than strictly airfare

>Airport parking in Boston is essentially twice as expensive as TF Green

Not to mention that Greene could be $0 in parking and $2 in bus fare or $20 in uber

Wasn't Ireland Air or something doing non-stop to Cork from Greene a while back?

Huh. Maybe it was temporarily suspended during the pandemic? I have family in MN and remember it was no longer offered, at least for a while. Good to know!

I think it could also be seasonal. I just checked and their flights from PVD to MSP start Memorial Day weekend and go twice a week through August, then down to once a week before stopping in December.

Also good to know! Thanks for the info. I was last there in October, but I somehow had no idea Sun Country was running flights again. I booked with JetBlue out of Boston last trip!

This is great news for the Airport Corporation

Norwegian did. PVD to Cork, Dublin, Edinburgh, Bergen, annnnd possibly Manchester, UK? They had a good presence but their own management as well as the 737Max did them in.

Norwegian was at least in the process of opening a base before the 737Max problems plagued them

Ohhh I didn't realize that was all tied together, thanks for the correction/info

You don't need to wait 2-4 days for a flight on a large carrier if yours gets canceled

I’m hoping for them, I like the model of being able to avoid hubs. They need to get a little bigger though to be reliable for business travel. I had them cancel a flight and had to drive (Pittsburgh) once to get there on time. And on another trip we gave up, because the return flight kept getting pushed back later and later and later then they delayed the flight the next day because the crew got in late and needed mandatory rest. Understandable and fine for personal travel, but ng for business. The people are great though, the planes are clean and the pricing is great. Competition is good.

In Spring 2018, you could catch a direct red eye from TF Green to Dublin for ~$350-$500 roundtrip. My wife and I were fortunate enough to take the trip with Norwegian while it lasted…Those were the days!

Sweet!

I am with you but not everyone has same mentality

My last Cali flight was 1/3 od the cost from boston than was out of Green

If you park at the Logan Express it's $7/day, plus the $9 bus ticket each way.

Parking off site and taking a bus ride that could be in excess of 30 minutes to the airport is not the endorsement that you think it is.

When the actual plane ticket is half the price and doesn't have connections, it is.

Depends on lots of factors. I just went to Denmark out of Logan and took the train up early, met up with some friends and grabbed some dinner and hit a couple of bars. That was great before leaving. Coming back, I would have easily paid an extra 150 if it had meant coming back to TG green vs Logan. Landed at 5 and didn't get home til almost 10 which is a bit rough after 12 hours of travel