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quellerand OP t1_ithrv4f wrote
It's incredible! Now they need to bring forward their net zero date of 2060 to a closer date.
tdc_ t1_itiwnsi wrote
How so? Right now they are purely expanding energy production, i.e. still opening new coal plants in China. This is in no way replacing fossil fuels as far as I'm aware. Still a nice project though.
Hawk---- t1_itiyp4i wrote
The Coal is a temporary measure to shore up Energy supply while they bring on the only actual solution for zero emissions - Nuclear Energy.
China is currently one of about 3 or 4 nations actually investing in expanding Nuclear energy, and the only nation currently heavily investing it. Their plan is to supply most of their energy through Nuclear power, then to use renewables as small scale auxiliary supplies - something akin to what France currently does.
Imo the sheer brutal success of this method is best seen in the carbon loading difference between Germany, who's gone all in on Solar and Wind renewables, and France, who uses predominantly Nuclear. Germany averages between 300 to as much as 400 grams of Carbon per kw hour more than France, with at one point Germany producing about 500 grams of Carbon to Frances 7 grams.
Imo the proof is beyond question, as is the immense amounts of science and research into this. Solar and Wind are not solutions, only small, local scale solutions that are being stretched into a role they were never designed to fill, let alone come close to filling. Without Nuclear to back renewables up, it is literally impossible to reach net-zero emissions.
tdc_ t1_itizyz0 wrote
> Germany, who's gone all in on Solar and Wind renewables
Nice wall of text but as a German your central example is absolutely laughable to me. I mean if you love your nuclear energy, I don't care but hope you have fun storing the trash for a few thousand years. No, but what is absolutely absurd is claiming Germany had gone "all in" on solar and wind. When did this happen? Under Merkel with CDU and their absurd 3-H restrictions in Bavaria? What are you talking about?
Because as far as I'm aware we've been razing villages all the time for coal and been happily burning that. Where and when did that non-existing renewable all-in happen?! Or are you just using Germany as a staw man since we shut off all but 3 nuclear plants?
borisperrons t1_itkpm0y wrote
I mean, a nuclear power plant during its lifetime produces orders of magnitude less nasty stuff than a coal plant. More dangerous, yes, but also easier to stock somewhere safe.
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6ixpool t1_itkgyhj wrote
Lots of emerging tech in nuclear power that promises to help address the spectre of nuclear waste. Things like thorium and small modular reactors are very promising near future tech. Doesn't really speak much to how France is able to supply most of their power via nuclear, but it does address the main concern about nuclear power namely the perceived significant negatives of nuclesr waste.
OotTheMonk t1_itlruaq wrote
Radioactive materials are going to radioact, why does it matter if it’s done deep in the earth, or extracted, used productively, and stuck back into a hollowed out mountain in the middle of nowhere?
PM-ME-DEM-NUDES-GIRL t1_itj02sg wrote
what are the countries investing in nuclear energy?
Hawk---- t1_itjutwv wrote
As far as I'm currently aware of?
China, Japan maybe since they've committed to restarting already built plants and say they'll build more (but not much has happened since), France, and the U.K. on a technicality with SMR's, and Poland I believe.
There might be some more actively investing in the industry, but I am not at this time aware of those nations. (Also, before someone gets confused, there's a difference between maintaining and investing)
philipp2310 t1_itk9lwo wrote
Yeah, this is just wrong. Germany never went full solar. The proof is the now non existent solar industry in Germany that still existed 15 years ago. In the same time coal still got billions in subsidies. Germany went full sideways with some solar and wind sprinkled in. Not proofing any failure but the one of German politicians.
Just another nuclear shill jumping in a thread about a renewable success story.
Hawk---- t1_itl08n7 wrote
I never said they went full Solar. I said they've committed to full Solar and Wind. It might not sound like that much of a difference, but I assure you there is a massive difference between saying Germany went full Solar and me saying they committed to going full Solar and Wind. Which is true.
Last I checked their energy shares on paper was around a low 50%, high 40% in terms of Solar and Wind. A sizeable share, yet it's been struggling to expand thanks to the innate flaws of Renewables that forced Germany into heavy reliance on Russian Natural Gas.
philipp2310 t1_itl2i8s wrote
It's still WRONG. No matter if you bring wind into it or not.
Germany did not COMMIT to anything. They talked a lot about going to "100%" solar/wind but they failed. They only managed to go half way and still subsidized coal. 2.4 Billion€ in 2020 for RWE coal. And yet for example Schott Solar closed its plants during the same time coal got money, because it is not financially useful to build solar in Germany(2012).
The massive difference is, it didn't fail because of any shortcomings of renewables. It failed because NIMBY wind in Bavaria, NIMBY high voltage power lines and stupid coal/gas lobby.
I know for the current nuclear lobby it is such a beautiful image of a failing Germany because of "renewable flaws", but it is just wrong. Germany never pushed with the force towards renewables, that it would allow any considerations (like that).
Imagine Germany would have gone towards NPPs with the same mentality. Do you really think just ONE NPP would have been able to start production with all the bureaucracy and coal lobby in the last 20 years? Just look at the search for a final waste storage in Germany. 50 Years of search, and we got only one failed attempt, billions of wasted money and the "hope" to find a solution in 2032. And TONS of NIMBY in that area as well.
Neither nuclear nor renewables had a chance against the coal/gas lobby in the last 20 years. Lets just hope they learned their lesson, and in another 20 years we will see 100% nuclear in France, 100% renewable in Germany and a wonderful mixture of energy across Europe, just like it has to be to work at all, because "no" 100% solution covers all flaws.
feeltheslipstream t1_itk3wkv wrote
Some people can see one derivative more than others.
Mr8BitX t1_itippja wrote
Way
dragonlord6 t1_itjgdqj wrote
Yesway
lateavatar t1_itkvb7n wrote
My way or the highway
Erik_Light t1_itjxdp9 wrote
Land of the shocked Australians
StealthedWorgen t1_itiehdw wrote
Everyone wants to demonize China, but look, they're making a giant wind farm for the Norwegians.
sopsign7 t1_itjcq87 wrote
Real stand-up guys!
ijmacd t1_itl0uj1 wrote
Bit of an empty gesture. Norway has tons of hydro power. They should make a wind farm big enough to power some more needy country.
daddyfatknuckles t1_itl26hc wrote
they’re not sending the power to norway, they’re just comparing generation
ijmacd t1_itl2o36 wrote
Yes but Norway doesn't need that energy. They could compare it to a country that doesn't have an excess in green energy!
(p.s. this I'm just continuing the joke from the parent commentor about the ambiguous post title ;))
Penisanthonydoubs t1_itlemlh wrote
What did it say before your edit?
ijmacd t1_itmbbhn wrote
https://api.pushshift.io/reddit/comment/search?ids=itl0uj1
"But if" → "Bit of"
Ixziga t1_itlktm8 wrote
China's industrial and tech development have been impressive and encouraging except for the fact that it's mostly been driven by corporate espionage and one of the more ethically dystopian governments.
Hopeful_1768 t1_itiutqv wrote
all of Norway = 1/4th of Beijing = 1/5th of Shanghai
(in population. in energy consumption possibly less)
jeffroddit t1_itjh0kt wrote
I checked wikipedia and there 19 cities in China bigger than Norway. Those 19 cities are almost 40 Norways between them. And then the rest of China is still about 240 Norways.
Big China is Big
ThrewawayXxxX t1_itjm9dx wrote
This guy maths
earthlingkevin t1_itlav83 wrote
Norway is also a lot smaller than people imagine. It usually gets stretched when maps get flaggened
ChiragK2020 t1_itkl3c2 wrote
Thats not true?
jeffroddit t1_itnrns0 wrote
Le sigh
Norway Population 2022: 5,518,814 (Source)
Chinese Cities by Population (Source)
Largest Cities in Mainland China by Population of Urban Area
Rank City Province Latest Estimate[3]
1 Shanghai — 24,870,895
2 Beijing⍟# — 21,167,303
3 Guangzhou#* Guangdong 18,810,600
4 Shenzhen#~ Guangdong 17,633,800
5 Chengdu#* Sichuan 15,025,554
6 Tianjin#† — 13,929,152
7 Chongqing#* — 12,313,714
8 Nanjing* Jiangsu 9,320,689
9 Wuhan#* Hubei 8,546,775
10 Xi'an#* Shaanxi 8,438,050
11 Hangzhou* Zhejiang 7,969,372
12 Shenyang* Liaoning 7,469,474
13 Dongguan Guangdong 7,489,198
14 Foshan Guangdong 7,462,797
15 Harbin* Heilongjiang 6,612,795
16 Dalian~ Liaoning 5,871,474
17 Qingdao~ Shandong 5,818,255
18 Zhengzhou#* Henan 5,621,593
19 Jinan* Shandong 5,606,374
"19 cities in China bigger than Norway"
Total in these 19 cities = 209,977,864
209,977,864 (cities) / 5,518,814 (Norway) = 38.04 Norways AKA "Those 19 cities are almost 40 Norways between them" 38 is almost 40, no?
China 2022 Population = 1,452,250,110 (Source)
1,452,250,110 (China) - 209,977,864 (19 cities) = 1,242,272,246 (rest of China)
1,242,272,246 (rest of China) / 5,518,814 (Norway) = 225 Norways
"And then the rest of China is still about 240 Norways"
Dang. Got me. Doing multiple steps of 10 digit math in my head I was off by 6%. 6% is not within the universal standard for the definition of "about". Everyone knows the internationally accepted maximum margin of error is 5% when used on the internet to support the statement "Big China is big". I will now hide in shame and never do hand wavy math on the internet again for using the Imperial unit of 6% "about" rather than the ISI sanctioned metric 5% "about".
The only thing I can say in my defense is that Big China is so fucking big it's easy to lose an extra 15 Norways and not even notice it.
ChiragK2020 t1_ito4wfe wrote
Oh i thought by area
12kdaysinthefire t1_itj1vum wrote
Can it power one Chinese city though
feeltheslipstream t1_itk47zq wrote
Depends on which Chinese city.
There are a lot of them.
azimir t1_itjn71k wrote
Yes, according to Chinese state media. No, you're not allowed to visit or check yourself.
featherwolf t1_ithsz53 wrote
Lemme guess, this will add to their supposed claims in S. China sea...
EDIT: "...between 47 and 115 miles (off their coast) on the Taiwan Strait"... Oh gee, I wonder why China might want to invest in infrastructure megaprojects that far out in that region...
KerkiForza t1_itiokgc wrote
Hmm, probably because the Taiwan straight is one of the best places off the coast of China to place wind turbines because it has high wind speeds?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Mean-wind-speed-map-china-Global-Wind-Atlas.png
Edit: also that can't be quite right.. 115 miles is going straight into Taiwan. Like, onto land. Across the straight. Also would be ridiculously expensive and impractical. Article must have gotten something wrong.
Freyas_Follower t1_itr7386 wrote
China has always claimed the south China sea as its own, including Taiwan, despite what international laws says. It's why the us navy zig zags through the south china sea. It's to contest these claims. China is just trying to claim international waters for itself.
featherwolf t1_ititctt wrote
And the timing is just pure coincidence...
FinoAllaFine97 t1_itj1q8x wrote
The 'timing' you're referring to has been fabricated entirely by the USA. The PRC has been claiming Taiwan for decades.
Yes its a coincidence
featherwolf t1_itj2ff6 wrote
So, you believe the ratcheting up in rhetoric regarding Taiwan as of late and the historic re-election of Xi for a third term, increasing Chinese nationalism, the purging of dissidents are just ghost stories? Man, that's some pretty strong Kool aid you've been drinking.
HelloJoeyJoeJoe t1_itjf88h wrote
>Man, that's some pretty strong Kool aid you've been drinking.
Tankies def have strong convictions. Wrong but sometimes, like Qanon folk, You have to be mindful how stubborn they will be
ArielRR t1_itjiuz4 wrote
Are these tankies in the room with you right now?
HelloJoeyJoeJoe t1_itjj5h7 wrote
The logical disconnect is a bit scary. I mean, I'm talking to you right now aren't I?
You can also find them in any Putin apologist thread or in their mother's basement. Good times.
ArielRR t1_itjjld0 wrote
Using "mother's basement" as an insult in a time where housing is unaffordable for many. Really in touch with the common person, ain't you?
Tankie is when you can't afford housing
HelloJoeyJoeJoe t1_itjjuf9 wrote
I'm sorry about your situation. Have you tried getting job or asking for a bigger allowance? Maybe you can make furry porn, I heard that pays well in your circles.
ArielRR t1_itjkbt4 wrote
Mask slips off fast, don't it?
Scratch a liberal...
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ArielRR t1_itjm3en wrote
I wasn't actually expecting actual discourse with a consultant who thinks poor people are subhuman. The fact that you use wealth as an insult is pretty telling.
The part about the mask, is basically a metaphor of fascists using a liberal mask to hide their true self.
FinoAllaFine97 t1_itj2zhz wrote
Kool and the gang, comrade
PowerlineCourier t1_itj2q20 wrote
damn you're guzzling the western propaganda my guy
HelloJoeyJoeJoe t1_itjf1xz wrote
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or a parody comment
morningreis t1_itjdjfa wrote
How does one "fabricate timing"? I wasn't aware the US had that technology. I'm sure China will steal it soon.
FinoAllaFine97 t1_itje8re wrote
I inferred from the other redditor's use of the word that what they meant to imply was context rather than timing.
feeltheslipstream t1_itk49or wrote
Surely it's not because wind works best when there's nothing blocking it.
JPJ_1779 t1_itiaeii wrote
China thinks on terms of centuries, they're playing the long game. The decades of repression starting with Mao's cultural revolution have eliminated any free thought in their population. They've become somewhat like a hive mind. A billion person hivemind acting at the will of the CCP.
ArielRR t1_itjjdq2 wrote
Ah yes, the old racism of calling asians robots or some sort of insect or how they are "hiveminded"
JPJ_1779 t1_itkgnsv wrote
Not Asians, China in particular, because of the particular repression of dissent they've practiced for decades. Nice strawman tho.
ThatOneThingYouLove t1_itj0z53 wrote
Lol, what?
HelloJoeyJoeJoe t1_itjfdao wrote
I disagree, there are millions of people in China who are still fighting. However, the vast majority just want to live decently and don't care so much to make waves as long as capitalism will take them out of poverty
8-36 t1_itht8xe wrote
Norway must be happy for this Chinese gift
GeneralFactotum t1_itjdcri wrote
Norway should set up a wind farm big enough to power China!
Niksol t1_itk7a75 wrote
This is the true Power Move
mithie007 t1_itk8hux wrote
I recall back in 2010 when China setup one of its first offshore windfarms, as a demonstration project, near Shanghai - no one really supported it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donghai_Bridge_Wind_Farm
The whole thing was seen as a giant waste of tax payer money. It went over budget and over time, and was operating well below the projected power output of 200 MW. (Ended up pulling in 120 MW).
I remember a bunch of local lobbyists were saying the money should have been better spent on rail infrastructure or solar farms.
But 10 years later and the 120MW wind farm is now the smallest of China's windfarms compared to stuff like this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gansu_Wind_Farm
Which is currently operating at a fairly massive 8 GW with plans to expand to 20 GW.
China doesn't fuck around.
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kingofjesmond t1_itkggzt wrote
8GW is absolutely vast, considering the biggest non-Chinese offshore windfarm when built will be approx. 2.85GW. Current largest is ~1.35GW (again excluding China).
Edit: got my numbers a bit wrong.
0sprinkl t1_itkipn7 wrote
"With local-government favoritism toward coal and inadequate long-distance transmission capacity, Gansu "now has some of the highest rates of underutilization in the wind sector in China". National Energy Administration statistics showed 39 percent of wind capacity in 2015 in Jiuquan was wasted.[2]"
Great effort but it's still China.
mithie007 t1_itkj3ct wrote
Just... scroll down. Literally the next line.
"In 2017 the 2,383 km long Jiuquan - Hunan HVDC transmission line entered service connecting the remote complex to the Hunan regional grid allowing full utilization of its generation capacity.[4]"
BTW long distance transmission of wind farms has always been a problem in the industry - since most places with high wind output are typically nowhere near civilization.
Normal grid connectivity is sufficient for sub gigawatt output but when your numbers get up there, dedicated HDVC transmission is absolutely a must. This is something people have learned the hard way, and it is THE number one bottleneck when it comes to upscaling wind farms - not turbine availability - not area limitation.
Most wind farms outside of China are clustered around sub gigawatts precisely because the amount of money and funds required to put in a proper HDVC transmission system can rack up a bill as large as the turbine installation themselves.
Unlike turbine construction and deployment, transmission lines are typically NOT subsidized, and rather rolled into existing infra expansion costs.
Asking an energy company to eat the cost of a substantial megaproject in and of itself with no subsidy and no clear profit projections in the name of renewables is... actually a very Chinese thing.
FaithlessnessFront54 t1_itiplf8 wrote
Why do we never think of anything like this? Oh wait, because that would require Congress to do something >:[
daddyfatknuckles t1_itl2gtp wrote
have you driven through the midwest lately? i went to school in iowa 8 years ago and there were wind turbines all over either side of I-80.
earthlingkevin t1_itlbig3 wrote
The challenges our politicans has to think election cycles. So projects that take 4 years are a lot harder to implement (as the next guy coming in can just scrap it)
OutOfStamina t1_itm7zac wrote
Think of what?
Think of a project and say, "this is enough power for a different country, but not our country"?
gemulikeit t1_itj3tpw wrote
So do away with Congress and go all in on Emperor? lol
Heliolord t1_itjoi0z wrote
In order to ensure the security and environmental stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first galactic empire!
feeltheslipstream t1_itk4jc3 wrote
We did away with emperor to solve previous problems.
If this change created new problems that the previous status quo can fix, we need to compare and see which set of problems we prefer to live with, not wave it away as a joke and just hope a miracle happens.
CatAvailable3953 t1_ithsw0o wrote
The rest of the world will leave us to our whale oil economy.
noob_lvl1 t1_itj3y3m wrote
To be fair, the biggest city in china probably has the same population as all of Norway.
mondychan t1_itjmjy7 wrote
The biggest city in china is ~25M, norway by comparison is ~5M
noob_lvl1 t1_itk033c wrote
Okay, maybe it’s me but this seems less impressive then. Like yeah it’s great that they can produce as much power as a whole country but when that country has 1/5 the population as your largest city then relatively speaking it doesn’t seem that great.
SirBootyTooty t1_itk1f8m wrote
Did you even bother reading the article? It is referring to a single city in China (Chaozhou) which has a population of 2.5 million compared to Norway’s 5 million.
A city of 2.5 million will produce enough wind power for all of Norway. China total population or any of China’s other cities is irrelevant to this article.
noob_lvl1 t1_itk1oqe wrote
What? People read the articles? JK. I mean it’s still impressive but their total population absolutely matters. It means this is like a drop in a bucket of water.
zamfire t1_itlq054 wrote
Baby steps Ellie.
Frawitz t1_itjd5b7 wrote
Norway isn’t even a real country. It’s a made up place where people put sour cream on waffles
lllNico t1_itkb3w7 wrote
how nice of them. But they should build it for themselves, norway has their own energy production
Gidge0506 t1_itj8khm wrote
I’m sure it will be beautiful
GravessCigar t1_itk7wwp wrote
Not surprising , there are like 80 cities in China with more people then Norway.
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PM_meyourGradyWhite t1_itivybx wrote
Good.
fliberdygibits t1_itk2wgi wrote
Ok, why are we using norway as a unit of measure when talking about china? Do we know how much of this CHINESE city it will power? It's like literally the previous post before this one that measured a blue whale in polar bears. I don't know how long EITHER ONE is so can we just measure blue whales as "One blue whale long"??
abhig535 t1_itk8m40 wrote
Okay, but why would China want to generate power for Norway?
superpantman t1_itk8q6o wrote
“Norway is planning a population increase so large it will look like China”
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hauj0bb t1_itkekvs wrote
There's offshore farm to be constructed in Baltic Sea with output to power 3x Norway.
China_Shanghai_Panda t1_itkjbpg wrote
Norway's population is only 5.3 million. In China, 91 cities' population are more than 5 million.
We need a lot of energy.
Nessie t1_itkjygr wrote
The real trick is to move Norway closer to China.
Mrischief t1_itlq7aw wrote
No thanks, we dont want china closer! We want paddington not winnie
iHyperVenom_YT t1_itkwcdi wrote
So could 2 and half cats and a black hole (for a year)
ekajfohnel t1_itkwzqr wrote
Don’t say wind farm. I’m already feeling gassy
extraspecialspoon t1_itl6ymx wrote
Why would they want to power all of Norway?
Levitrax t1_itl6yw5 wrote
Now if we could only get them to stop all the nazi level atrocities... Like the slavery and forced sterilizations ect. But awesome job on the windfarm and all.
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ArsonRides t1_itl795s wrote
Why does China give a fuck about Norway?
copa8 t1_itlfzn4 wrote
Positive news involving China = lots of non-positive comments, per usual!
NYtallstud t1_itlin9e wrote
Norway isn’t that big of a country. But still impressive
ZooLife1 t1_itlrbvo wrote
Yes but why would China want to power Norway?
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sigmasix_ano t1_itmavxh wrote
Rare China W
super-fire-pony t1_itn3zr2 wrote
Why would China do that for Norway? Didn’t think they were that close.
FiendishHawk t1_itipy4f wrote
So one neighborhood in China then!
robsko t1_itk6npy wrote
Wouldn’t it be better if they built one that can power china? Seems inefficient to power Norway from china.
Sweetbeans23807 t1_ithz1uw wrote
Cool but I’m pretty sure the citizens would prefer basic human rights and free and open elections instead
BoardImpressive7201 t1_itjd6mv wrote
You should have 100,000 upvotes.
Sweetbeans23807 t1_itje1d8 wrote
I lived in China for two years and have taken mandarin for 8, the best experience of my life was getting to go to university there and then visit many more times. I was treated with kindness and love as I fumbled through getting a firm grasp of the language and culture, the people were beyond kind and welcoming to me, but there was this underlying pervasive rule of “do not comment a negative word about the government”, even exchange students in the US I went to school with were terrified to criticize or comment on anything PRC related or about Tibet. First time I went to China you could go on Facebook, access american sites, two years later you needed a VPN and stuff got crazy. The way Xi is acting, it just feels like wind power is not really top priority right now.
Heliolord t1_itjokeu wrote
Sounds like r/sino is brigading.
work-edmdg t1_itjhnws wrote
How do these impact the environment around them? The sound alone has to be an issue for local wild life right?
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bumper_Guy t1_itjx9sg wrote
That's great for Norway! I wonder what they're going to do about China.
Mental-Story-666 t1_itk02k6 wrote
But it won't
soyelmocano t1_itka43n wrote
Norway? How TF is that helpful? Do they even have maps in China? Have they seen where Norway is?
Come on dudes. Pick somewhere reasonably close.
/s
Jrod18072 t1_itjbyab wrote
Too bad Norway isn’t next to China
roboglobe t1_itku7jm wrote
Fun (?) fact, there is only one country between Norway and China (Russia).
spicynicho t1_itji35r wrote
Makes you wonder why they're building it in China then
MarvinHeemyerlives t1_itkb37c wrote
It will fall over with the first gust of wind......Chinese made.
ScammaWasTaken t1_itknttv wrote
That's... not much
14U14ME2 t1_itkqtt3 wrote
Technology stolen from America
baseilus t1_itkukty wrote
i dont think wind turbine is kind of high tech that need to be stolen
even nation like indonesia can make one without stealing tech
Micromagos t1_itjnh2z wrote
Or a bit over half of New York City.
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DoubleShot027 t1_itjs9z6 wrote
Hope it isn’t built like their tofu dreg projects :/
Spocks-Nephew t1_itjxt5q wrote
Unfortunately the energy required to manufacture and ship the turbines makes them an environmentally unsound technology and also a bird killer.
NoisyBoy894 t1_itk85ha wrote
It's Chinese how good can it be
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axismundi00 t1_iti1srr wrote
Such a dumb title and comparison. Would have been so much more meaningfull to provide a percent of China's coal production instead of just saying it could be "powering Norway". Norway is 99% renewable anyway, is just a fraction of China and has nothing to do with the whole thing to begin with.
Properjob70 t1_itienns wrote
There aren't all that many places where offshore wind in its current form can be placed as it needs shallow seas - hence the North & Irish Seas dominating installed capacity to date.
USA is looking to go big on floating wind farms which could put them in a race with China for installed capacity in coming years.
feeltheslipstream t1_itk4n2j wrote
That's the kind of race that's just good news for everyone.
We should have these races more often. We've had really terrible ones.
picklefluffer t1_itj0m3c wrote
Is there any chance that it could get unstable over time and fall over into the sea or something? I’m assuming they’ll take precautions against that though
doncastiglionejr t1_itjbxgc wrote
Not with no money they ain't...not right now, anyways
sportspadawan13 t1_itibkqa wrote
.0036% of China, cool I suppose. Better than 0%.
urmomaisjabbathehutt t1_itinkll wrote
Or the equivalent of 43 overal nuclear reactors at full generation or 21 at half
not bad at all
marsman t1_itiom0w wrote
You'd have to take into account the capacity factor (typically around .4 or .5 for new construction), but yeah, it's pretty amazing.
iron40 t1_itjj2tf wrote
Norway is pretty damn small. Give me a call back when they’re talking about powering up a real sized country.
Just_Taylon t1_itjkq6v wrote
Like what?
iron40 t1_itjl2vu wrote
How bout Japan? Something bigger than 5 million people, which is quite small...
earthlingkevin t1_itlbtop wrote
How many other wind turbine projects you know globally can support 5 million people?
Stuart517 t1_itiwfax wrote
But how many new mines for precious metals will they have to open to harvest what's required to run those massive dynamos for decades?
TopicRepulsive7936 t1_itjnr6z wrote
Precious metal mines don't typically exist.
StellaaaT t1_itle5x0 wrote
“Precious metal mines don't typically exist.”
Gold, platinum, palladium … just grows on trees I guess? Maybe in China. Here in Canada it definitely comes from mines. Source: have been inside several gold mines that definitely existed
TopicRepulsive7936 t1_itmdb5a wrote
Gold is the exception.
Hawk---- t1_itizl99 wrote
Fr.
Renewables are insanely light in power density, and the world literally doesn't have enough resources to support zero emissions through Renewables. It's nice that China is still working towards the end goals, but people need to look beyond the warm fuzzy feelings from headlines and actually examine the long-term. Not just the short-term.
TopicRepulsive7936 t1_itjofo2 wrote
Earth has infinite resources. It's a humongous ball of metal.
superarts t1_itimvih wrote
Hope they don’t drag protests into the wind farm and say “pulling his hair? Yea, that’s my duty”.
HumberGrumb t1_itici8v wrote
Soooo big it’ll slow the wind and mess with local weather.
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Aggressive-Try-3707 t1_ithr6xj wrote
No'way!?!?