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Bombtombadilz t1_izplp3m wrote

Love the format but im too much of a newb to understand the symbs

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twintig5 OP t1_izpn42h wrote

Here is a version with the flags, if it is easier to understand.

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Heya_Andy t1_izpvthi wrote

Better, but I think flags + country name would be best. I'm a bit sketchy on my South American flags so I couldn't actually work out who played who.

But love the circle format too, never thought to use this for a knockout comp.

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wasdlmb t1_izr1kqo wrote

Brazil and Argentina have the two most distinct flags on the continent

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Saendre t1_izro46h wrote

He probably thinks Senegal, Morocco and the English flag are South American.

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Bombtombadilz t1_izq1t1z wrote

This is the way

Edit: american trash panda here sorry for the ignance

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Monkey_Zero t1_izs7hrh wrote

I still have no idea who it is still. American education

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Heya_Andy t1_izs87s0 wrote

Well I don't think any education system has you learning all 200+ flags of the world. And it's not like there's a real need to focus on the 32 World Cup teams.

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Cyampagn90 t1_izsdb65 wrote

Are you kidding? It’s not like these are from some estranged country in Tibet. Almost all are pretty relevant.

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nerevisigoth t1_iztc774 wrote

If we're including the group stage countries, Ghana, Senegal and Cameroon have very similar flags and none are very relevant in world affairs.

Serbia and Croatia are close too.

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FLORI_DUH t1_izt5ifg wrote

Except Croatia and Morocco, two of the most prominent

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Ridgetop18 t1_izsb1y0 wrote

At one point I’d’ve been able to name them if the silhouette of the country was on there.

Freaking AP Human Geography final and β€œcorrectly label every country on an unlabeled map (it had the borders at least).

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icrbact t1_izs4aod wrote

I think the version with the logos looks better than the version with the flags. Both cool though. Honestly the colors alone are a great indication of who is who. Anyway, special shout-out for getting the Swiss flag right in the alternative version (yes it is square)!

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_jandrewc_ t1_izsgcoa wrote

OP yes gotta have the labels, maybe radially on the outside layer?

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Lollipop126 t1_izryjrs wrote

Flags that wrap around the semi circle would've been cool

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darkslide3000 t1_izs0fc6 wrote

Yeah, this belongs on /r/dataisunintelligiblebecausenobodyknowsallthoseassociationsbyheart.

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EscapedCapybara t1_izq14ft wrote

We need the double upset...Croatia vs Morocco in the final.

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Hannibal_Spectre t1_izq7xv3 wrote

That would make me feel much less bad about Canada doing so poorly in our group with both of them making the final (and Belgium who were expected to do well not even getting out). Man our group was tough.

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EscapedCapybara t1_izqdnqk wrote

Yah, we (Canada) were ranked 12 behind Morocco, 25 behind Croatia, and a full 39 behind Belgium in the November FIFA rankings. I think we did pretty well in two of the three group matches.

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Immediate-Cress-1014 t1_izr1syo wrote

Belgium was very bearable that game too. Just poor luck. We’re also the only team with a goal against Morocco

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Bozorgzadegan t1_izs6n88 wrote

Six shots on target in three matches and oft-shaky performances from the keeper is hard to say Canada did well. That said, there were some close moments in the Morocco match. Topping the group in CONCACAF, I expected more from them.

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cryptic-fox t1_izrka3a wrote

I honestly would love to see Croatia and Morocco make it to the final.

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FartingBob t1_izs24wx wrote

Didnt Croatia get to the final against France last time? Wouldnt be that much of an upset.

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EscapedCapybara t1_izs503r wrote

They did, but Argentina is 10 places higher than Croatia in the FIFA rankings, so it would still count as an upset.

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dogfish182 t1_izrjghz wrote

I think Croatia is quite likely to be honest. They’re good

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ledepression t1_izrutjh wrote

With a tie being declared and San Marino being crowned winners due to a convenient technicality

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TomatoFlies4 t1_izs516g wrote

We need one upset…Croatia vs. France in the Final.

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mcfc_4eva t1_izplm1z wrote

Oh man, messed up on the logos;

  • England: that’s The FA logo, not the football team. It should say β€œEngland” at the top and have a star
  • France: Should have 2 stars on top
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twintig5 OP t1_izpn08h wrote

These are the FA logos, indeed. I believe it is rarely that national team has it's own logo, besides FA logo. Stars are like an extra, sometimes are there sometimes are not.

Edit: I was using logo pack for FAs. Now as you pointed this out, I went on wiki to check. Among 16 teams in the bracket, exactly 2 of them have different logos compared to the FA logos: England and France. I overlooked this, as this is definitely not a standard. I follow football for a long time, and I was convinced FA logos are "the logos".

I guess I could correct it for the next version, but I don't see it like a big deal.

Anyway, thanks for the heads up.

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Gundark927 t1_izpuack wrote

Forgive my ignorance; the stars I assume represent World Cup championship wins?

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twintig5 OP t1_izpwlpn wrote

Yes, that is correct. And, unlike what was written below your comment, European championships are not counted. Only World Cup.

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L_J_X t1_izqewok wrote

Then you have Uruguay counting their two Olympic wins as stars.

Edit: lmao can't believe I'm getting downvoted. Uruguay wears 4 stars but only have 2 world cups. The other two would be the Olympics. Do you mfs just blindly believe whoever replies ?

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Delta_FT t1_izs6bl5 wrote

>Then you have Uruguay counting their two Olympic wins as stars.

Yeah it's kind of dumb but you're missing a huge part, those are the 1924 and 1928 wins, the first WC was played in 1930 (bc they weren't going to include football as a sport in LA 1932).

Those 2 Olympic golds were won by the Uruguayan senior team vs other World class teams, as opposed to what we have now were the Olympics are mostly a U-23 tournament

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hesalivejim t1_izpvi30 wrote

Yep. I think continent tournaments count too e.g. euros

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ramon_63 t1_izq6et9 wrote

Euros doesn't counts for stars, only World Cups.

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Ph0n1k t1_izprime wrote

This reminds me of Alan Partridge’s guide to the 1994 world cup. https://youtu.be/DsQpWBSjVzI

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Poofms t1_izqdy8w wrote

To be honest, at first glance I hated it, but the more I looked the more I started to love the layout of this. Well done OP. Very original. Please post again when the cup is done.

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CrunchyAl t1_izqdsq9 wrote

I love that Australia has their mortal enemy the Emu on their's

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enerrgym t1_izsb2jr wrote

That's what you get for losing the war

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Tobyey t1_izt6kqg wrote

I was part of the peace deal

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imapassenger1 t1_izr94hr wrote

The kangaroo and the emu. Two animals incapable of taking a backward step.

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TospLC t1_izpjrb9 wrote

I love this format. Why have I never seen this before?

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ArchdevilTeemo t1_izpk3m4 wrote

Because it isn't intuitive. There is also a lot of information missing.

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kantokiwi t1_izq743r wrote

>There is also a lot of information missing.

Such as how many people died making the world cup facilities?

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SpacevsGravity t1_izs6yqd wrote

Do tell me how many died?

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fuzzylogicIII t1_izshlfz wrote

~6,500

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SpacevsGravity t1_izsnv0j wrote

Guardian's number are made up. As expected, bullshit source.

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fuzzylogicIII t1_izt7w5d wrote

Oh sorry I gave benefit of the doubt and figured you weren’t just being obnoxious.

Since you apparently don’t know what an estimate is, here are general explanations for that estimate

The 6,500 figure actually refers to all deaths of migrant workers from Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, India, and Bangladesh, regardless of cause… There is clear evidence of thousands of migrant worker deaths in the lead-up to the World Cup,” said Human Rights Watch’s Michael Page

It’s extremely easy to find sources other than the guardian for an insight into this but you sound more interested in swatting people down than correcting or getting good info.

In total ~15,000 non nationals died overall as a general stat, but it’s hard to argue that the working age immigrants mostly died of heart attacks.

Qatar’s official response, if you want to go with that, was 37, then 400-500, then 37. Now you have the full range of estimates, maybe try to provide one of your own next time.

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paxcoder t1_izpkv5t wrote

I find it intuitive, but then I'm a programmer so that might play a role. What information do you think is missing though?

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degausser22 t1_izpnwnp wrote

I’m a magician and I find this intuitive as well.

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paxcoder t1_izrsx3r wrote

I wonder how that relates to illusions, if you didn't just bring that up to say it's intuitive either way. The reason I brought up programming is that in the process of codifying problems, we have to break them down in our heads, and there they can often look like graphs - which is what this is. So I thought it could be that other people aren't as used to graphs as I am.

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xxxHalny t1_izq6mf7 wrote

Compared to regular brackets, the only thing that's missing is the match scores (ideally for the matches and the penalty shoot-outs separately).

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HamburgerMachineGun t1_izr7ckx wrote

Im also a programmer but there is nothing to show whether the next matchups are Croatia-Argentina or Croatia-Morocco

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woolylambkin t1_izrejkw wrote

The next circle for the semifinals is split vertically to denote Argentina/Croatia and France/Morocco.

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HamburgerMachineGun t1_izrlmrb wrote

So true! My bad. Still think it would be nice for lines to get thicker, at least visually.

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SavvasMak t1_izrekox wrote

There is if you look how the space for semi finalists forms

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fanwan76 t1_izs81f8 wrote

I'm not a fan of football, but using team logos instead of country names makes this pretty hard to follow for a casual viewer.

Also repeating colors for different teams is confusing and doesn't really help with team recognition.

It also doesn't show the match scores which sports brackets usually do.

And it doesn't provide any information about the teams rank coming into the tournament, which again brackets usually do.

This format would look cool printed on a tee-shirt at the end of the tournament. But personally I don't see it as a good reference during the competition.

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No-Yak5173 t1_izsbc98 wrote

Teams having a rank before the tournament is not something anyone really tales seriously in football

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Vmagnum t1_izqkk7u wrote

Personally I like this one better.

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BaconPancakes1 t1_izrxtja wrote

I don't, because flag design kinda ruins the clarity of the graphic. E.g. France's segment looks like three different blocks at a glance. This one is the same format but more readable.

Edit - the top comment reply to that post is the most readable and best looking version of this

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repeat4EMPHASIS t1_izsz3y1 wrote

This one is much clearer in regards to which teams are playing each other

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Stronghold257 t1_izr55yd wrote

I think it came about from NCAA March Madness a couple/few years back, someone on Reddit posted this style of bracket and it took off

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lmcalderon t1_izpqd1q wrote

I don't like this, I don't agree with people who say they are intuitive.

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patronum213 t1_izq73bk wrote

Well, if you win you move in a layer and expand to fill the space

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lmcalderon t1_izq93pv wrote

I understand the concept, but I do not think it's a beautiful way to display data

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Xehanz t1_izt7avq wrote

Bracket is still better for rhe WC. This is honestly shittier with extra steps

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amanofeasyvirtue t1_izq1jah wrote

Crazy how england still lost on penalty kicks

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tsigalko11 t1_izrblw9 wrote

They haven't lost on penalties. Although they missed one, during the regular time

Edit: why are you downvoting me? Losing on penalties means playing 120 min and then do the penalties shoot out. In fact, Kane missing was 1st penalty England ever missed during the game time (excluding shoot out at the end).

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Flashwastaken t1_izrrupv wrote

Because yanks don’t understand football. Some of them genuinely believe that if people Lebron James and Tom Brady played football, instead of their respective sports, that they would be word cup champions every year.

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tsigalko11 t1_izrxy28 wrote

I'm sure, if Lebron started practicing as a little kid, that he could reach the level of Shola Ameobi.

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Flashwastaken t1_izry3yj wrote

But would he have been accepted by the people of Newcastle in the same way? I doubt it!

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tsigalko11 t1_izs0h5x wrote

Never. Would he appreciate fish&chips in the same way as Shola? Never.

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amanofeasyvirtue t1_izsch08 wrote

Wow clasdic english humor. No wonder your comedians are the pinnacle of humor with hilarious banter like that. No wonder you got shit teeth cuz your always smiling and people notice your nasty ass mouth

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tsigalko11 t1_izsgont wrote

Brother, I have no clue what you are on. I'm not English.

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Flashwastaken t1_izultsg wrote

I’m not English either but the best comedian on the planet right now, is English. He would never joke about Ameobi though. I don’t think he would even know who that is.

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amanofeasyvirtue t1_izsc5xq wrote

Its a joke because england constantly loses in a penalty shoot out. Meanwhile this time the only time they jad clear goal scoring opportunities was on penalties. Its funny

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ZoladoneFarmer t1_izqbtmu wrote

The symmetry on this was almost perfect 🀌 if Korea and Brazil had just been switched

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imapassenger1 t1_izr9c81 wrote

Based on the fact that every team that has beaten Australia in the round of 16 has gone on to win it, I'll have to say it's Argentina this time.

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landoofficial t1_izq81mx wrote

I freakin love radial brackets. So simple, so compact, so detailed. They’re perfect

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twintig5 OP t1_izph37n wrote

  • Source: fbref
  • Tools: Photoshop
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meep_42 t1_izqwet4 wrote

So infuriatingly close to symmetrical!

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lizfour t1_izpmd94 wrote

Bet you enjoyed updating that just now

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twintig5 OP t1_izpne5d wrote

Not particularly. Not an England fan, but I really hope France will not win it again.

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lizfour t1_izpqum7 wrote

I'm hoping Croatia.

I was in Split on holiday once and we visited the Hajuk Split team's stadium. The fans' passion is amazing, they love the opportunities to play, win or lose. There were framed newspaper cuttings of when they played Arsenal and lost heavily, for example.

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thistruthbbold t1_izprxjg wrote

Blue for the win! ALLEZ LES BLEUS! πŸ‡«πŸ‡·

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hesalivejim t1_izpvr8d wrote

Just gotta pay a couple more refs and you're in

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pantshee t1_izsnbt6 wrote

So much salt ( Ν‘Β° ΝœΚ– Ν‘Β°)

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EstebanOD21 t1_izsyzd2 wrote

We got like 3 yellow cards and y'all got two penalties and shit

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hesalivejim t1_izv09l7 wrote

Because your game plan was "Hack at their legs so they can't shoot"

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sapphiresong t1_izr25au wrote

Hoo boy I love me some radical brackets!!

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DurianBurp t1_izq2wk3 wrote

This is really, really cool.

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Hascus t1_izqalci wrote

Would have been more satisfying if you put the winners on the outside of the outer ring and the losers in between them

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[deleted] t1_izqcj2d wrote

I actually love this format. Very easy to understand

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kasenyee t1_izrca6s wrote

What are the advantages of a radial bracket over a tree?

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Ahmed_Sazid t1_izro43m wrote

nothing i particular, but i guess it looks more visually compact and symmetrical compared to the regular brackets system

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Xehanz t1_izt7hzr wrote

How so? Brackets is just as symmetrical.

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CalebVI t1_izreoij wrote

Really cool way of representing the info.

My only constructive criticism is you should have made the divider lines a bit thinner. They draw way too much attention to themselves, and there is very little room to expand the symbols because of it.

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Disastrous_Time_4662 t1_izs4his wrote

It's so close to being a symmetrical pattern, but it isn't. :(

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Uxgator0327 t1_izsh1bw wrote

This works once you enter this stage, but would be a bad way to represent a tournament. The cognitive load to understand who played who in the first round is much higher than the typical tree diagram with clear spacing between the matchups. Visualization of data is about understanding first

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Bacibaby t1_izt2uh9 wrote

Could have been symmetrical 😞😞

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Jd771 t1_izq43yg wrote

I really like this format, but I think it would look even better with the 4 teams remaining all starting in the 4 spots on the very top and bottom

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Piscesdan t1_izrkp2a wrote

Reminds me of a DNA code wheel.

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Maxamus93 t1_izrxunn wrote

This should be used on tv instead of the normal its much more sleek

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AbstractBettaFish t1_izs13mm wrote

I bet 30 of reddits fake betting currency in Croatia to beat Brazil and made a mint. Makes me wish I bet real money

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vvanouytsel t1_izs3ry7 wrote

I was looking for Belgium, but then I remembered. 😭

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Tylerwolfhere t1_izs4uv6 wrote

Is there any way to include group stage?

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warez90 t1_izs5lcy wrote

Still can’t believe Portugal sucked balls yesterday

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Haeffae t1_izs69yj wrote

Everyone: Man I wonder who is gonna win the wc Me: Ooh cool circle bracket design

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LookAround-blog t1_izs7zl1 wrote

sectoral reflection looks much more convenient for perception βš½πŸ‘

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Freddit- t1_izsej2s wrote

Can’t wait until this shit show is over and in the past.

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reyska t1_izshbc9 wrote

Based on this I have no idea which teams these are.

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bozovisk t1_izsisva wrote

4 min to end. 1x0. 7 man on the offensive side. Still hurts man

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dimeheadache t1_izsjqt1 wrote

Wow, best format I've seen for the knockout rounds. I really like that you can see at a glance the impact of each country by the amount of colored area as the teams move forward. Really nice OP.

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TriangleGalaxy t1_izskx02 wrote

To bad these symbols mean nothing to me

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elveszett t1_izsm0iu wrote

Morocco is going full Re-reconquista. Started with Spain, then took Portugal and is now trying to conquer France.

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steak_tartare t1_izsmjfc wrote

Not sure if the sequence on the groups phase means something, but if not I would adjust so the two ousted were in the middle so the winners always grow from the same base in the next phases.

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Goldblood4 t1_izsqm7v wrote

I hate this bracket. Just use a normal one gd

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NixonTrees t1_izsr6ln wrote

This is not really DATA is beautiful. This is more...graphs are beautiful.

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Epistatious t1_izstx7z wrote

Clicked on this thinking it was going to show me breakfast choices by countries attending world cup.

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YaBoiJim777 t1_izsuh26 wrote

It would be cool to see a radial bracket where the area/country in each ring is determined by the odds they have to win the World Cup or to advance to the next round. It would be a cool way to show Croatia and moroccos success as well as many other upsets.

Does anyone know what program is used to create these brackets?

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wargamer24 t1_izswnk5 wrote

WE CHEER FOR MOROCCO BOYS!!!

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nicbongo t1_izt11dy wrote

Such an efficient way of depicting the brackets, no scrolling required!

This should be the standard πŸ‘

Only thing I would suggest is a colour key for the teams as not everyone will know other nations' badges.

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UpstairsWrongdoer401 t1_iztjqto wrote

Formal request for every bracket for every sports tourney to be built like this

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lcerbaro t1_iztka2m wrote

this is terrible data presentation an we're rejecting your paper

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gebhigebhu t1_izu2e91 wrote

This should be the normal bracket-style layout

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Foreign_Mongoose6015 t1_izr5igc wrote

I'm smart, don't you Think πŸ€”? Well you've earned it Buddy, hi5 to you

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SoggyCuntBiscuit t1_izrfkuk wrote

Who the fuck are any of these? I think I recognize France. From tjis I can deduce France are still playing and presumably three others are also still playing.

Oh and Australia, US and Korea are oit because for some reason those aee the only teams labeled with the actual team

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NineTSe7en t1_izrw7z2 wrote

Croatia vs Morocco final then boys

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UnoKajillion t1_izsaiwh wrote

All my homies want Croatia vs Morocco final

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shlam16 t1_izqeysx wrote

I really wish people would stop with this format. The simple bracket is infinitely better at conveying the info in an easy to understand fashion.

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auriegvrd t1_izrlevw wrote

Wait ok so people were cheering in the streets and blocking traffic that Morocco won but they didn't even win the whole cup? Holy crap.

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