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masterofyourhouse t1_j33uain wrote
Could it possibly be a regional thing, like how team is plural in British English and singular in American English?
Charming_Scratch_538 t1_j33ud2o wrote
This is dependent upon which form of English you speak. Neither is more correct than the other just as no one language’s grammar rules are any “more correct” than any other language’s rules.
Charming_Scratch_538 t1_j33ug7d wrote
It’s exactly this.
Rubly t1_j33uj2u wrote
I just did the same Google searches and got the opposite results:
- Data is: 1,240,000,000
- Data are: 881,000,000
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JPAnalyst t1_j33voz8 wrote
I won’t say data are. I know it’s grammatically correct but I’m not doing it. I’m also not going to say datum.
I’m also not changing plural RBIs to RBI in baseball.
Rubly t1_j33vpa3 wrote
Also, if OP is interested in "correct" grammar, they should note that a hyphen shouldn't be used in the phrase "grammatically correct."
AltLeft4Ever t1_j33yvdg wrote
Could also be that people are talking about someone named Data.
JewishSpaceTrooper t1_j33z45o wrote
Datum is: Data are: I bet “data are” gives more results in the end
prettyhugediscer OP t1_j343zaf wrote
Is that modifier not considered a compound adjective? I’ll admit I’m always confused by this when Word changes its mind every 5 min
prettyhugediscer OP t1_j344ck1 wrote
Weird. My results were: Data is 4.3 million, Data are 5.58 million. I should’ve asked ChatGPT
prettyhugediscer OP t1_j344j2q wrote
Interesting, thanks for the info! I come from a scientific writing background
corink420 t1_j344j8u wrote
You’ve never known nonsensical fury if you haven’t been “corrected” for saying RBIs instead of RBI
Rubly t1_j344kn8 wrote
You don't need a hyphen when the modifier ends in -ly. From the Chicago Manual of Style:
Compounds formed by an adverb ending in ly plus an adjective or participle (such as largely irrelevant or smartly dressed) are not hyphenated either before or after a noun, since ambiguity is virtually impossible. (The ly ending with adverbs signals to the reader that the next word will be another modifier, not a noun.)
prettyhugediscer OP t1_j344p0q wrote
Maybe try RsBI. That might roll off the tongue a little easier
prettyhugediscer OP t1_j344xgk wrote
Wow that’s helpful! Thanks for teaching me something!
JPAnalyst t1_j3476z7 wrote
There are people today who have only known the game since they started saying RBI. I’m old and I’m not changing. 75% of my life we used an S. LOL.
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1Marmalade t1_j34d4nd wrote
Don’t worry about what’s most common (check a lot vs alot! Nobody says adozen or abunch). Data are plural.
DameKumquat t1_j34f7h0 wrote
Or a company, or a concept like 'Big Data is watching you'.
420spaceship t1_j34ga1w wrote
Well, even if it is being used as a plural noun, data is a collective noun, so it would always be singular. So actually most people are wrong, including OP.
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chucksenough t1_j34hvke wrote
Data is like sand; sand is ;)
datagorb t1_j34izt8 wrote
I’m a data professional and I absolutely agree with you, hahaha.
I’m also constantly torn between whether I collect “Walkmans” or “Walkmen” or “Walksman.”
And I change my pronunciation of “data” all willy nilly.
datagorb t1_j34j9we wrote
You’re right and you should say it again
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Tommyblockhead20 t1_j34xzsd wrote
Google adjust results based on factors like location and what else you’ve searched recently. You’d probably get the same results as each other if you used an incognito tab. For what it’s worth, google trends shows, “Data is” is searched about 3x more often than “Data are”.
Oh and chatGPT is a chat bot, not a fact bot. It’s not for if you are trying to get factual information, it’s just for writing text that sounds human.
small-p-value t1_j34ya47 wrote
It's actually both, depending on the context in which "data" is uses. If "data" is meant to refer to a specific collection of numbers, then it is plural: "The data are in a spreadsheet." Replace the word "data" with "numbers" in your head. If "data" is meant to refer to a nonspecific collection of information, then it is singular: "The data on drinking and driving is clear". Replace the word "data" with "information" in your head. (Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/data)
Valyrian_Tinfoil t1_j3518ir wrote
You’re saying there’s no such word as “teams” in Britain’s lexicon of words? Or even vernacular usage?
Valyrian_Tinfoil t1_j351ztd wrote
My statistics professor went on a tangent one day about how the ‘a’ sound in “data” (as in dapper) signifies singular information and “data” as in the character from Star Trek signifies the distribution of information.
cupricdagger t1_j3536bu wrote
Why do you say that "data is" is incorrect?
masterofyourhouse t1_j354yxa wrote
No, what I meant is that in American English you say “our team is winning”, but in British English you say “our team are winning”. The team is a unit made up of multiple people, and British English reflects the “multiple people” part whereas American English reflects the “unit” part.
Valyrian_Tinfoil t1_j3590mu wrote
Ah. Well that’s just stupid. Like when I’m talking about family, which is composed of individual members I love, I don’t say “my family are having dinner tonight”. Why do you think team is treated in such a peculiar and incorrect way?
masterofyourhouse t1_j359fjc wrote
Oh, “my family are” would also be correct in British English! Basically any noun that describes a collective is treated this way. It’s an interesting quirk and definitely sounds odd if you’re not used to it.
GermanBeerYum t1_j35bgje wrote
Or in phrases: "viewers of this data are more likely to...", "the main argument against the collection of this data is...", etc.
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irkli t1_j35otjg wrote
Datum is singular, but archaic I think. I use it just to be an asshole.
andrew_rides_forum t1_j35w27w wrote
Data is a plural noun, the singular form is datum.
andrew_rides_forum t1_j35w6ma wrote
Depends on the context. “Datum” is used frequently in many engineering fields.
irkli t1_j35wizk wrote
Damn then. I'll have to find a better anachronism. Sigh!
cupricdagger t1_j35wp8g wrote
Why do you say data is plural? It is very commonly used as a mass noun, and the Merriam-Webster usage guide considers this to be standard.
andrew_rides_forum t1_j35x16i wrote
He was asking why the OP said that “data is” is incorrect, if we’re getting pedantic here
TheRealVicarOfDibley t1_j35xi8x wrote
Great explanation and very useful (for me atleast )
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IAmAlive_YouAreDead t1_j3710hs wrote
If everyone decides to start using a word a certain way, that then becomes the way the word is used. I have many datas to support this.
Fantastic-Tomorrow-8 t1_j37psir wrote
I am totally going to steal this one.
JohnnyPhysics t1_j37wvay wrote
Wish I could retweet
AmazingThinkCricket t1_j38p3ig wrote
Least ignorant and arrogant American
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Valyrian_Tinfoil t1_j3a4dev wrote
Idgaf. And I do actually take pride in saying what I feel in a time where doing so is so repressed.
I truly feel that it is stupid to use ‘are’ for nouns that are a collective.
So go ahead and insult America, makes you no different than the rest of the world we’re protecting.
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bunnnythor t1_j3b2s1v wrote
I’m looking forward to the day when this subreddit becomes r/datumsarebeautiful
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prettyhugediscer OP t1_j33sqh1 wrote
Data obtained from quick Google searches. Visualization produced using ggplot2 in R.