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Solid_Snark t1_jdasbyf wrote
The fees don’t even make sense. It’s like they just grabbed a thesaurus and are using different names for the same fees: “Delivery fee, transportation fee, conveyance fee, convenience fee, carriage fee, etc.”
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piTehT_tsuJ t1_jdccpt5 wrote
"Ass, Grass or Gas. No one rides for free fee"
Fragrant_Spray t1_jddri6a wrote
Except they’re charging for ass, grass and gas. At least a hitchhiker gets to pick just one.
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StPauliBoi t1_jdbqr1q wrote
In this case, it’s an Uber and a private conveyance.
Sov cits hate this one simple trick!
Pancakewagon26 t1_jdb4889 wrote
Honestly I can't fathom why anyone uses these apps anyway.
I had to use it once because I wasn't able to leave my desk at work and i wound up paying $30 on an order that would normally be $15.
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Mend1cant t1_jdcdays wrote
Dude, you could almost certainly afford a better apartment just off of cutting delivery out of your life. 4-500 a month is ridiculous.
eata22 t1_jdce52y wrote
Now here’s the issue. Security deposits. I got salary job this year and things are getting better, but it’s rough.
I want a yard for my dog, rental homes in my area are going for 3k. So the deposit is easily 5k. I’m going to get a good amount back from this one, but it’s only 1k
And you’re acting like the price of food isn’t insane at the moment lmao. A pack of hotdogs is 10 bucks for the cheap ones
FriendOfDirutti t1_jdci9wg wrote
I don’t really buy hot dogs so I looked it up. Oscar Mayers 10 count uncured hot dogs is $2.99. All beef Oscar Mayers 10 count is $4.19.
NoCardio_ t1_jdcr2rd wrote
> A pack of hotdogs is 10 bucks for the cheap ones
Completely false, and it sounds like you’re just making excuses every step of the way.
nomofica t1_jdd3vq3 wrote
Are you shopping at Whole Foods? I would expect those to be some of the best damn hotdogs in the world if they're starting at $10 a package.
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VoiceofReasonability t1_jdcbpol wrote
Just out of curiosity, how much do you think you are spending on food delivery each month?
eata22 t1_jdccyvn wrote
It’s bad, I get food for my gf as well. She has a DoorDash pass so we don’t pay for delivery. But for a month it’s probably between 400-500 for food if we do it all the time. And then add another 100 for tips
squidbelle t1_jdck1fl wrote
TBH this just sounds lazy. There are meal prep and cooking subs that could help you with ideas and recipes, and there are many tasty, cheap, and nutritious foods that require little or no prep.
You're spending $6,000-7,200 per year on delivery food.
urrrkaj t1_jdcn3ka wrote
Bean burritos are super cheap, filling, and can be changed up flavor wise depending on the sauce you use. They even make microwaveable rice packets or have microwaveable rice cookers if you don’t want to make rice in a pot. I use spinach because i can use it in all kinds of dishes for the week. It is our lazy meal.
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potentquillpen t1_jdcpz11 wrote
When I was in a similar situation I could at least rely on adding an egg to ramen as a decent and cheap meal that can be made with hot plate and micro. Now eggs are outrageously expensive too. I'm sorry you are dealing with this and I hope it gets better for you soon.
Nodiggity1213 t1_jddikn5 wrote
Crock pots are the way to go. Grab yourself a nice roast or pork loin, throw in some veggies and you've got lunch for the week.
dofffman t1_jddpqqy wrote
this. can also do a forever soup and then have a rice cooker and make the rice in the broth with some veggies and lentils (which will cook just fine with the rice due to the size)
i81u812 t1_jdem86q wrote
That freakin guy has an expensive car payment a month in ordered food. Do not feel bad yall are not the same.
squidbelle t1_jdddo44 wrote
You said you have a mini fridge. Combined with dry ingredients, that's enough to hold a week's worth of unprocessed food that can be made into nutritious meals on the cheap. Many recipes are no cook, but rice cookers, crock pots, and a hot plate can go a loooooong way too. Look into getting groceries delivered, rather than take-out meals. It will be healthier and cheaper, but you'll have to put forth effort into meal planning and meal prep. I've walked this walk, and you can too. You could put $200-300 per month toward improving your situation: career training, transportation, job search, paying off debts, or any number of things that will improve your life more than delivery food.
eata22 t1_jdevabl wrote
So from your response I can tell you have no idea how little food can actually be stored in one of those. Do you know what happens when there isn’t enough airflow? The entire thing freezes. Yiu can store like 3 days worth of food in it max.
Please please tell me how some dumb fuck on Reddit knows my budget better than I
squidbelle t1_jdf12yq wrote
I don't know what to tell you, my commentary has nothing to do with your budget, only your choice to spend your income on a convenient luxury, and then complain on the internet as if it's your only option.
I used only a mini fridge for almost 3 years. In my view, having food delivered is a luxury. If you stop ordering all your food out for one month, you could afford at least another mini fridge, maybe even a used half-size. You really only need to keep certain ingredients refrigerated; recipes can be optimized for dry goods that don't need refrigeration and fresh vegetables that will keep for several days or more.
eata22 t1_jdf1ywn wrote
My breaker can’t handle two fridges are you literally special needs? You just want to continue feeding into this giving any explanation. I would literally throw a brick at your forehead if this was in person by now
Zestyclose-Repair-86 t1_jdfok91 wrote
Why are you insulting posters genuinely trying to help you?
eata22 t1_jdg3i2n wrote
There’s a difference between genuinely trying to help and being condescending. In the real world people get beat for less.
squidbelle t1_jdf5dcx wrote
A second fridge is just an option, but like I said you can keep a week's worth of fresh ingredients in a mini fridge. Combined with dry goods, grocery delivery once a week would be both cheaper and healthier.
You're literally threatening violence because I calling out your self-righteous privilege "woe is me, I have to buy luxuries." Grt yourself in check, dude.
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squidbelle t1_jdfiao6 wrote
>I would literally throw a brick at your forehead if this was in person
"Now tell me where you live"
.........no.
god_snot_great t1_jdnk4ot wrote
You buy freeze dried camping food and still come out ahead.
IreallEwannasay t1_jdcvbqs wrote
It's gross how people are in here telling you how to be poor. If it's not possible, it's not possible. Who wants to eat microwaved food every single day or beens and rice and Ramen? If delivery is working for you, and you're paying in your circumstances then do that. I'm sorry people are so rude. The unmitigated gall to sit and call you lazy for not taking the solutions they themselves don't have to implement in their own lives. I know I can't see all the factors so I won't offer up solutions from my butt because it's insensitive. I hope you can get a suitable place and cook to your hearts desire soon. I lived with a person where I paid them rent and they didn't let me use the kitchen. I'd talk about it and people would be like just use it anyway or use the microwave etc, I was not allowed and that was that sobI spent a shit ton on take out food. Unless you're broke like that in the same situation you wouldn't understand.
squidbelle t1_jddcp8b wrote
> Who wants to eat microwaved food every single day or beens and rice and Ramen?
One of the points of my post was that they don't have to. There are lots of tasty and nutritious recipes that can be cooked on a single hot plate, rice cooker, crock pot, etc. Many dishes are no cook, just prepping/mixing ingredients.
>If delivery is working for you, and you're paying in your circumstances then do that.
Paying $6000-7000 per year for delivery food is crazy. Being able to afford that suggests they aren't poor, just unwilling to out forth effort toward their diet.
>call you lazy for not taking the solutions they themselves don't have to implement in their own lives.
Your assumptions are completely wrong. I used to barely scrape by too, and have walked this walk. OP could easily cut their food budget in half and use it to afford a better apartment, career training, job searching, transportation, etc - and eat a healthier diet at the same time. Eating delivery food isn't very healthy, and it's wayyy more expensive. Even having groceries delivered would be cheaper and healthier. Delivery food is just convenient.
eata22 t1_jdf31l3 wrote
“I did it so everyone else can”
Do it in todays market dipshit
squidbelle t1_jdf6cmi wrote
I am doing it right now, every month. It used to be an absolute necessity, now I am able to afford contributing to a Roth IRA I set up, since my work doesn't offer retirement plan.
Eating out is a luxury I indulge in 2-3 timesnper month. Paying even more to have food delivered is a double luxury.
VoiceofReasonability t1_jdd63of wrote
I 100% agree with you that nobody should be telling him how to be poor. He is an adult and whatever works for him works for him. We don't know where he lives or what his options are.
That being said in my younger days when I never had more than 50 to $100 in my bank account, I did pretty much only eat cereal, ramen, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, soups, ham sandwiches.
To me ordering takeout on a regular basis sounds more gross than any of the above options.
dofffman t1_jddq56a wrote
Yeah I mean I think I could make it work but I am not walking in those shoes. Many of these would be nicer if it was more like, hey man if you want to save a bit try this. Rather than, you sound lazy do this.
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buscoamigos t1_jdcwst2 wrote
I would have respected this answer more if you had just said "because I want to".
w1n5t0nM1k3y t1_jdcc6z2 wrote
Are there any restaurants you could walk to? It seems that if you are living in such a small apartment, you are most likely in a city. There must be some restaurants or fast food places in walking distance, or at worst a quick trip on public transit.
eata22 t1_jdcdqqw wrote
Ever since covid the bus stop literally outside of my place was permanently removed from the line :(
I live in a more residential side of town. There’s a few places I can walk to within 6 minutes, but there’s like only three stores with reasonable prices.
The other stores in the area want 28$ for a rice plate and 6 small shrimp. Or are bars, a man can only eat so much fried food
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Zestyclose-Repair-86 t1_jdh1ng7 wrote
Can you temporarily take out the smoke alarm battery?
jdith123 t1_jdcoj9h wrote
If you’re urban enough that people steal your spot, can’t you walk/bike?
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DJCzerny t1_jdd0y8a wrote
>I had to use it once because I wasn't able to leave my desk at work
Sounds like you answered your own question
Pancakewagon26 t1_jdf1m7k wrote
nah, I know people who do it just because they don't want to go anywhere.
And then a decent chunk of the time they have to go to the place anyway because they're missing part of their order.
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zzyul t1_jdb8j5n wrote
Yea seriously. If I’m wasted at the house from drinking for a few hours I’m not about to order food on a driver app, I’m getting in my car and driving to pick up food. What kind of person would use a good delivery app when they can just drive drunk and pick up the food themselves?
kathodus t1_jdba0zz wrote
Or just maybe have some food in the house. Or plan just a tiny bit ahead? Your alcoholism doesn't justify the exploitation of gig workers.
Atlasatlastatleast t1_jdc55ba wrote
Is it exploitation if one willingly chooses to do Uber eats? I used to deliver on it and I chose to do so for extra income, if an order came in that I didn’t want to do, I declined it. That guy isn’t exploiting me at all. Uber is, but without that guy’s order I’d have no opportunity to make the extra income
texasdeafdogs t1_jdblk7r wrote
Delivery isn't new though. Get over yourself.
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pandathrowaway t1_jdbpic0 wrote
Most restaurants will deliver if you pick up the phone and call them. Delivery did exist before the gig economy.
zzyul t1_jderec7 wrote
If you live downtown, sure, but not everyone does. If there was not market for Uber Eats then it wouldn’t exist.
SpeechDistinct8793 t1_jdc6325 wrote
When I tell you the “other fees” are what 100% of the time make me get up and go get it myself, it’s unreal. Just the other day ordered and what is usually around $$12-14 depending on if I choose to upsize anything, came out to almost $42 with the price increases, other fees, tax, and tip.
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Romanian_ t1_jdbwvrq wrote
Then don't use it 🤷
padizzledonk t1_jdaolxn wrote
Who cares.
Nothing like paying $60 to get $20 worth of food delivered lol
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TrivialRhythm t1_jdawgmb wrote
and sometimes fondled
CakeAccomplice12 t1_jdax7es wrote
Hey, don't kink shame
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smkAce0921 t1_jdamu6k wrote
>We have told city leaders that if this ordinance is passed as drafted today, it may force UberEats to suspend delivery to City of Alameda residents
And this is a bad thing because....
If Uber left, another company would jump right in (i.e. Grubhub, Doordash) and abide by the price cap....It'd be nice to see more cities follow
Xanthn OP t1_jdaojor wrote
Exactly. The companies still want to make money, so if they turn their nose up at it out of spite, another will gladly take the profits Uber abandoned.
boganvegan t1_jdar10h wrote
Companies, at least profitable ones, are cold-hearted and calculating, they will not leave because of spite they will stay if they can make money and leave if they can't. It all depends on what the fee limit is.
Xanthn OP t1_jdasmai wrote
Of course. But even with the cap they will still profit. If they leave because it's not enough it's on them and I see it as spite. Otherwise they won't leave. There is plenty to still be made from the companies. It happens all the time, they threaten to leave, and rarely ever do. The ones that do leave blame it on being unprofitable not necessarily always the truth, sometimes they still push for deregulation and try to throw their power around. "Hey do you miss us yet? If you change back to how we want it to be, well return like nothing happened."
I'm doubtful they'll leave anyway, and stick to the belief that if they do it's not because they can't make money doing what they do, it's because they don't want to do it and are acting out of spite. Again I don't believe they'll actually leave.
Romanian_ t1_jdbxwd3 wrote
These are mostly public listed companies, their financial reports are available. None of the delivery / ride-sharing companies really make profits. That's the reality, not some made up stunt, like you claim.
Uber as a whole had 2 profitable quarters in 14 years. Uber Eats as a subsidiary recently broke even for the first time. Lyft, Door Dash, Postmates etc - are not profitable.
Xanthn OP t1_jdbys7g wrote
I wonder if them giving bonuses to sign up drivers and the amount of money that the CEO and other execs get paid actually make a difference in the loses. I mean somehow the CEO got around $20 million in 2021, $40 million odd a few years earlier, and since a lot of that seems to be related to stock, others also would be getting millions. Something doesn't then add up, how are they not making money and still pay out this sort of money?
Edit: spelling.
Captain_Mazhar t1_jdczumy wrote
For the last decade, venture capital was throwing billions and billions of dollars at startups who could afford to burn reserves because money was cheap, betting on market share over current profitability.
Now that money is getting more expensive, we are coming into phase 2 of that, and we will see who remains when the flood of cheap money dries up.
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Is that not because of reinvestment of revenue?
Buckets-of-Gold t1_jdcgsgm wrote
It’s because Uber and its competitors have hemorrhaged money nearly every quarter of their existence.
They are relying on autonomous vehicles or complete market domination to become profitable. They will probably go bankrupt.
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Uber is hugely profitable. They aren’t in business to deliver food silly. The customers they serve are the execs and shareholders.
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boganvegan t1_jdatwud wrote
Typically it doesn't end well for the customer when government bodies try to determine a fair price for a product or service. For products or services that are essential, highly complex or monopolized there's a case for government involvement but I don't think that food delivery in Alameda is essential, complex or a monopoly.
efnfen4 t1_jdbnx28 wrote
"Lower fees for customers? This is awful!" - dumb people
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SamurottX t1_jdajfzj wrote
As it turns out, paying people to pick up and deliver food to one person at a time is expensive when you live in the US and even the smallest order requires several miles of driving. Obviously the miscellaneous fees are misleading but the plan from day one was to raise prices in order to actually become profitable.
seatownquilt-N-plant t1_jdakj0j wrote
Only pizza used to deliver in low density areas. Pre-smart phone a Thai place used to deliver in our neighborhood, low density Seattle, they required $35 minimum order and only to a limited area. That was when dinner entree were ~$9 - $11 so it was only worth it if there were at least three people.
washington_jefferson t1_jdbc4b6 wrote
I used to live 3/4 of a mile from a Jimmy John's in Portland, and they wouldn't deliver to me. They only used bikes at that time, so they may have changed their policy now that e-bikes and scooters are so ubiquitous. I emailed them once to confirm they wouldn't deliver to my address 3/4 of a mile away, and they wrote back that "maybe in the future there will be another Jimmy Johns that opens closer to you." I thought that was kind of funny, actually. Especially since their store was located in the closest area to me that was zoned for businesses. It wasn't possible for a store to be closer!
Eleven918 t1_jdav6n2 wrote
Or just order and put it in the fridge.
Can eat it over the next few days.
ww_crimson t1_jdazoas wrote
Except now it's $80 to order for 3 people with $30 in fees
Eleven918 t1_jdb19w0 wrote
Then you picked a pricey joint, Not to mention you are exaggerating the fees.
There's is no way anyone is paying 30 dollars in fees on an $80 meal.
I just picked a random Thai restaurant in Seattle and added 3 entrees (Pad See Ew)
Spring House Thai Kitchen & Pho
Total came to $58 before tip. Fees was $2 for delivery and 7 dollars for service fees.
I actually have Uber Pass, they waive the delivery fee and give you 5% back.
If your order is late, they give you $5 in credit too.
If you order 3+ times a month its already worth it for the pass amount.
EDIT: Lmao downvotes for providing evidence that you can repeat yourself to see his claim is bogus.
zaphod_85 t1_jdcs59w wrote
Do you seriously not understand that your experience is not universal?
Eleven918 t1_jdctx83 wrote
Mine is actually way better. I only picked Thai food in Seattle because the comment I replied to picked it.
I've used the service in multiple countries on top of using it all over the US.
$30 in fees is not something the average person is paying for delivery.
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Xanthn OP t1_jdeevev wrote
For example in Australia with door dash. A family bundle $24.95 maccas meal costs $29.95 on door dash, say 3x these base price $74.85, approx $80 like the example given. Already the cost is $15 extra. Then it's $8.95 delivery. And then there's the random service fee which isn't a set amount and you won't know the price until the time you go to order. I've had it around 10% before, sometimes higher sometimes 0. So yes it easily and often works out even here at around $30 off additional prices to pay on a $80 order.
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Mobely t1_jddjvn3 wrote
Is that how it's done? I've never worked uber eats but I delivered pizza. We'd deliver at least 3 orders at a time unless the clock was running out.
Here's my app idea. Food drops. You can only order food from 1 restaurant at any given time. It's all on a schedule. The delivery guy picks up all the orders going to a particular geography and delivers in a petal run. So Stew, is guaranteed like 6 orders, all no contact delivery so you can leave at the door.
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Mid-CenturyBoy t1_jdbnm5w wrote
Companies flex and try to bully, but they don’t have the power. The consumer is the king maker and once these companies get their crown they think they run the show, but that’s not the case. Fuck Uber I hope they keep losing.
astoundingSandwich t1_jddiyu6 wrote
Unfortunately, Californians drank their bullshit cocktail and passed prop 22. It proves that if you spend enough money consumers will listen to any fairy tale.
Mid-CenturyBoy t1_jde179q wrote
It’s true. The prop system in CA is flawed and if it did succeed they would have just put it on a new prop the next year as well. I am always inherently skeptical when there is a prop with tons of funding going towards it. Research people!!!
Mobely t1_jddizds wrote
Well in this case, it's the local government with the power and not the consumer... but I like your spirit!
Mid-CenturyBoy t1_jde10gv wrote
I mean they’re not just pulling this out of their ass. Presumably consumers have been asking for regulation and a local govt is using their power to help.
blowthepoke t1_jdaog5k wrote
I’ve always felt like the exorbitant fees for the restaurants aren’t fair, I.e as long as it’s clear and upfront pass the fee onto the customer.
The current business model is a bit devious as it passes the cost to the restaurant, so obviously people use delivery services excessively, to the point that if restaurants don’t use the services then they lose business. So they are screwed either way.
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Imagine taking a cut from the restaurant 's sale, and then still charging a delivery fee on top of it.
Johnnadawearsglasses t1_jdcftk7 wrote
I mean if you don’t like the pricing, just pick it up yourself. I fail to see the point in this. It’s not like we have a constitutionally protected right to food delivery.
Derricksaurus t1_jdcxt9f wrote
At this point, I just don't understand how Uber doesn't make money in its core businesses. Like, and perhaps I'm naive, how does an app that just connects drivers with people, or restaurants with drivers to people, need 32,000 people to support?
NewKitchenFixtures t1_jdfp0hl wrote
An efficient kitchen using ingredients that are semi prepared by Sysco can probably spend less labor than the delivery side.
Uber has no property costs like the restaurant, but they are getting a smaller cut and potentially spending resources in a way that doesn’t take advantage of pooling jobs with several orders.
8604 t1_jdat770 wrote
As long as the fee is upfront about it who cares. I know exactly how much I'm paying for a uber/doordash/whatever delivery before I hit accept. This isn't like a restaurant where you sit down and after finishing your meal and getting your check you see a surprise +10% inflation fee or whatever crap they're pulling now.
Whattadisastta t1_jdcltzb wrote
I wonder if the high cost of restaurant food is tied to the fact that a delivery app charges the restaurant so much that they feel it necessary to raise prices to meet profit margins. If so, the phrase ,” just don’t use them”, doesn’t do us any good.
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Noooo why did I move out of Alameda
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ChibiRay t1_jdbzz1f wrote
I don't understand why something like this is necessary in the first place. This sounds like something capitalism would naturally work through on its own. If fees are too high, then the consumers would choose to not order through Uber? If fees hurt restaurants too much, then restaurants can choose to not do business through Uber. If delivery drivers aren't getting paid to their satisfaction, they can choose to not work for Uber? I don't understand why these legislations keeps coming up trying to regulate how a business should do its business. If it's really a shit business and everyone else is getting the short end of the stick, then that business would naturally go bankrupt when people choose to leave and if those people continue to choose to work with that business, then it's on them and I don't think they have the right to complain...
kandoras t1_jdcn7dw wrote
>If fees hurt restaurants too much, then restaurants can choose to not do business through Uber.
Uber and Doordash will list restaurants in their services even if the restaurant tells them not to.
dem89 t1_jdcwxbv wrote
You're expecting capitalism, which constantly needs government bailout, to sort this out? How's that boot taste? Oh, who am I kidding, you love the taste.
drkgodess t1_jdaiabb wrote
Good, listing vague "other fees" for exorbitant amounts is making Uber unusable.