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1Sluggo t1_iujba30 wrote

It’ll never happen but republicans should admit their rhetoric caused this attack. Their timid ‘outrage’ over the event is, to me, proof of their responsibility.

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N8CCRG t1_iujbe4o wrote

Emphasis mine:

>The FBI affidavit filed with the complaint said: “DePape stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DePape the ‘truth,’ he would let her go, and if she ‘lied,’ he was going to break ‘her kneecaps.’”

>“DePape was certain that Nancy would not have told the ‘truth,’” the FBI affidavit said.

>The affidavit further stated DePape told police that Nancy Pelosi was the “leader of the pack” of lies promoted by the Democratic Party. DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber, according to the affidavit.

Top google result for the definition of "terrorism" is: the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Other than the "especially against civilians" portion, the rest of that sounds exactly like what DePape's own words are describing.

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Currymvp2 t1_iujbjli wrote

They won't. So many of them on twitter and social media are still running with the deranged debunked conspiracy theory "He and Paul Pelosi were friends, and Pelosi let him in". "Objective" Elon Musk also shamelessly promoted the theory on twitter as well. A Fox reporter incorrectly stated that the assailant was only wearing his "underwear" and quietly corrected it, but the damage has been done.

Some of them are so delusional and think he's a "progressive" because there aren't Trump supporters in San Francisco (not true, 19% of San Francisco voted for Trump) and because his ex-girlfriend said he had some left leaning views 20 years ago when they first met. Even though his own daughter has stated that he wrote violent, right leaning stuff on his blog. They're of course ignoring all the crazy shit he posted about the election being stolen and his criticism of the January 6th committee over the past couple of years.

Edit: Since some guy responded to this comment with disinformation, here's the link that debunks his disinformation. (https://twitter.com/cwarzel/status/1586778890659565568). Also the assailant's own daughter says the websites are real and written by him.

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Buck-Nasty t1_iujcin4 wrote

The FBI needs to speak with Elon Musk, he knows the truth.

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mikey-likes_it t1_iujdndn wrote

Oh so the wacky homophobic gay lover quarrel theory is a bunch of bullshit?

Shocking

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thefunivehad t1_iujesyf wrote

To these yokels “might makes right.”

They have no brain so the only thing they have going for them is terrorism. Strong arm everyone into their way of thinking…and the irony is that about 99% of them are cowards.

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QuestionableNotion t1_iujfh6i wrote

I will never vote for any candidate from the terrorist party (GOP).

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aristidedn t1_iujh9ro wrote

Pelosi (and her husband) are both civilians. DePape literally engaged in the unlawful use of violence and intimidation against civilians in the pursuit of political aims.

He's a terrorist.

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NBAWhoCares t1_iujhti7 wrote

>They are disgusting; if a republican was attacked they’d be hell to pay.

These miserable losers screeched for weeks about the "assassination" attempt on Kavanaugh, where a guy paced outside his house and then called the cops on himself.

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MikeLowrey305 t1_iujj2cr wrote

FYI They hate fact checkers & being proven wrong as well and will not admit they are wrong, just change the subject or try to cover their lies with more lies! SMH! LOL!

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acox199318 t1_iujj63g wrote

At what point does the GOP step back and ask themselves if they are the bad guys?

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aristidedn t1_iujj9iv wrote

Your answer is right there in the article:

> DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber

He wants to alter the political behavior of Congressional representatives through violence and intimidation.

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arghabargle t1_iujjxmi wrote

>DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber, according to the affidavit.

There's an entire article there, linked at the top, that you could read that answers your question pretty succinctly.

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acox199318 t1_iujk1ye wrote

I’ll refer you to every politician that instigated Jan 6. Not to mention the mob that was he noting specifically for Nancy then too.

Nancy has been the target of GOP hatred for years.

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BadCompany090909 t1_iujkfaj wrote

There was an interview with his neighbour that was posted yesterday. She says she’s unsure of his political leanings because she didn’t know him, but if she had to guess he would definitely be left leaning. Something to do with LGBT & BLM flags flying out the front of their hippie commune.

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CaptainNoBoat t1_iujl0gd wrote

>The affidavit further stated DePape told police that Nancy Pelosi was the “leader of the pack” of lies promoted by the Democratic Party. DePape told police that other members of Congress would see that there are consequences to their actions when Pelosi, with broken kneecaps, would get “wheeled into” the House chamber, according to the affidavit.

Uh, I have a guess what his "political leanings" are. I don't need any neighbors to speculate.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iujl1fn wrote

I can’t stand Republicans.

But anyone who breaks into McConnell or Trump’s house, beats up their spouse with a hammer, and then threatens to break kneecaps deserves a SHIT TON of prison time.

It is insane and absurd that folks on the right are advocating for violence against political enemies, knowing that mentally ill folks like this guy will respond with violence.

All the GOP “stand back and stand by”, “fight like hell”, “take our country back”, and “will be wild” crap needs to end.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iujl8rv wrote

These are only FEDERAL charges. They will be on top of state charges which still haven’t been announced.

This guy won’t see daylight for 20-40 years minimum.

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CaptainNoBoat t1_iujle6h wrote

Have you heard all of these things from credible sources? The police reports don't match a lot of what you just said.

Perhaps those are the questions you should be asking.

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BadCompany090909 t1_iujllzw wrote

How convenient, he just writes the feds an affidavit confessing to everything and confirming that he is indeed a hardcore MAGA supporting QAnon believer! Would love to see some genuine testimony. Honestly you couldn’t make this shit up

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GG_is_life t1_iujls3e wrote

> Why did the police claim he was in his underwear originally?

My question is...why does this matter? Why does this need to be explicitly confirmed or denied? Should a person at home in their own bed in the middle of the night NOT be in their underwear?

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windigo3 t1_iujm60n wrote

Good. Now charge the right wing propagandists and politicians who incited him

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CaptainNoBoat t1_iujn139 wrote

There's nothing remotely suspicious about the circumstances - this premise of yours that shady things "need to be cleared up" is completely fabricated and a bunch of right wing conspiratorial nonsense.

The police aren't going to release the security & body cam footage of the Speaker of the House's residence a couple of days after a political attack. Are you actually serious?

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QuestionableNotion t1_iujnhna wrote

Nope. I don't see the point in voting for the party of domestic terrorism.

I will never in my life vote for a Republican. I made it this far without ever voting for one. I am much closer to the end of my life than the beginning.

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jigokubi t1_iujo65y wrote

Agreed. The average Republican is appalled by this event. But the message of people like Trump speaks straight to unstable people like this, or the goons that wanted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, or—how much time have you got, it's a long list.

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verrius t1_iujouga wrote

I'll admit, I was confused by the headline, and the article doesn't go out of its way to clarify, that that's why he's not being prosecuted at least for attempted murder, given the hammer to the head. Though I'm also a little surprised (attempted) assassination is not a Federal crime at all.

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skkITer t1_iujovrt wrote

Lmao please. Video footage doesn’t put an end to anything. Hell the Maricopa election was live-streamed 24/7 every step of the way and MAGA still sent the ninjas over to investigate.

It’s also not telling at all that no footage has been released. It’s an active investigation.

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N8CCRG t1_iujp333 wrote

Given DePape is a QAnon believer and promoter, his specific goals could be anything up to and including QAnon's ultimate goals: Trump and his supporters performing a coordinated US-centric (but worldwide) takeover of political and military power, rounding up and executing all that he feels oppose him, and installing him as the ultimate despot/autocrat/dictator. Presumably the answers DePape would have demanded "the truth" of from Pelosi involved the Q beliefs that she is part of a secret cabal that tortures children and extracts their "adrenochrome" to be consumed in their satanic orgies.

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mahabraja t1_iujpqwt wrote

The problem is that this terrorism is inspired directly by republican members sitting in government currently. This does not end until the big mouths receive their charges as well.

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Sanpaku t1_iujq2av wrote

Stochastic terrorism

>Since 2018, the term "stochastic terrorism" has become a popular term used when discussing lone wolf attacks. While the exact definition has morphed over time, it has commonly come to refer to a concept whereby consistently demonizing or dehumanizing a targeted group or individual results in violence that is statistically likely, but cannot be easily accurately predicted.
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>A variation of this stochastic terrorism model was later adapted to describe public speech that can be expected to incite terrorism without a direct organizational link between the inciter and the perpetrator. The term "stochastic" is used in this instance to describe the random, probabilistic nature of its effect; whether or not an attack actually takes place. The stochastic terrorist in this context does not direct the actions of any particular individual or members of a group. Rather, the stochastic terrorist gives voice to a specific ideology via mass media with the aim of optimizing its dissemination.
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>It is in this manner that the stochastic terrorist is thought to randomly incite individuals predisposed to acts of violence. Because stochastic terrorists do not target and incite individual perpetrators of terror with their message, the perpetrator may be labeled a lone wolf by law enforcement, while the inciters avoid legal culpability and public scrutiny.

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shim_sham_shimmy t1_iujq452 wrote

I understand there are strict definitions of what charges are acceptable to file but hitting an 82 year old man in the head with a hammer sure feels like attempted murder. Hitting a healthy 22 year old in the head with a hammer feels like attempted murder.

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ButtMilkyCereal t1_iujq7h7 wrote

Bullshit. This is what the average republican wants, as evidenced that they keep voting for lunatics through the primaries and then into office. They won't hold themselves accountable, and are egging themselves into a civil war.

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Chippopotanuse t1_iujqtme wrote

I think the “attempted assassination” is captured by this charge:

> DePape also was charged with one count of assault of an immediate family member of a US official with the intent to retaliate against the official. That charge relates to a crime allegedly committed against Paul Pelosi and carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

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Sanpaku t1_iujr38c wrote

It's almost a universal that the moral 'values' MAGA republicans would impose apply only to others. Roger Stone isn't going to give up his wife-swapping, DJT Jr his blow, Fallwell Jr. his pool boy, or any of the well off ones legal and safe abortion for their own daughters.

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GriffinQ t1_iujrl9y wrote

“When officers arrived on the scene, they exchanged fire with the suspect, running towards him while dodging the spray of bullets, and eventually killing him.”

The guy was shot to death, my brother. What more “hell to pay” would you like for him?

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jigokubi t1_iujsajl wrote

>they keep voting for lunatics through the primaries and then into office

This is the core of the problem.

This is why I get so irritated when the only response people have to Jan 6th is "But, BLM looting!"

They never own up to what voting for Donald Trump lead to. Instead they make the false assertion that Democrats support violent protests.

I stand by my assertion that the average Republican doesn't like this. The problem is they keep voting Republican even when party has been taken over by lunatics.

To be fair, the party was already a terrible choice to begin with. There's a reason why Trump was appealing to Republican voters.

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Has_hog t1_iuju6yk wrote

“We demand to see the tape of Paul Pelosi being the subject to a violence, I can’t believe it otherwise! The police are lieing, this is why we need to defund the cia and fbi!”.

No but seriously, rw’ers, including the bizarro comment demanding full video, want to meme this. It would br a grand slam for them if they got full vid so they could copy pasta and laugh about their guy doing a terrorism. When this sicko got booked, a TON of conservatives started a gofund me for him!

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verrius t1_iujuvyo wrote

That covers the attempt on her husband, but it doesn't cover that this was an attempt on the Speaker. Not a particularly effective one, but its a brazenly admitted one. Though its a pleasant surprise to hear that there is a Federal crime for going after family of officials.

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FiendishHawk t1_iujv44j wrote

I wonder how the police manage to focus enough to charge the culprit when all the conservative media they follow is going crazy with conspiracy theories about the event.

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ButtMilkyCereal t1_iujvw0d wrote

To repeat a phrase, it's a distinction without a difference. It doesn't matter if they're actually terrible people themselves, or just supporting terrible people while they do terrible things to the rest of us.

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supagirl277 t1_iujxnpd wrote

He also wanted to lure in other congress people once he had her. It also took Nancy too long to come home, so he told her husband that he’d be taking the beating instead

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CanstThouNotSee t1_iujya4d wrote

Misperceiving Bullshit as Profound Is Associated with Favorable Views of Cruz, Rubio, Trump and Conservatism (Stefan Pfattheicher, 2016)

Results confirm that conservatives have lower sensitivity than liberals, performing worse at distinguishing truths and falsehoods. This is partially explained by the fact that the most widely shared falsehoods tend to promote conservative positions, while corresponding truths typically favor liberals (Garret and Bond, 2021)

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qtx t1_iujz0fb wrote

Lesson number one when it comes to conservatives/republicans; it's always projection.

There is a reason why most people who get caught in some hush hush gay lovers quarrel are republicans. It's their thing so they assume others are the same as well.

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Bobbyperu1 t1_iuk15oq wrote

They are really saying it. To the extent that, and I'm choking back rage vomit here, Don Jr. Posted a pic of his 'costume' and it is a pair of men's underwear. The story they are pushing was they were in their underwear which the police have denied, and a hammer. They're laughing about it.

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DoubleBaconQi t1_iuk1usi wrote

And pull the line about “sleeping in boxers and a pajama top” as evidence, “who doesn’t wear the complete pajama ensemble!? Who just wears the top, obviously they were having sex” /s

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bubblegumdrops t1_iuk33z8 wrote

It’s such a bizarre plan because how tf was he going to verify anything?

I’m aware that he’d only accept his beliefs as facts but the lack of logic is confusing for someone not in the qult.

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rdxxx t1_iuk3tp8 wrote

These people will believe anything said by 'their side', they were conditioned to. If i were to entertain the conspiracy theories - why would rich person hire such ugly male prostitute.

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LoneRonin t1_iuk4c20 wrote

Rule of thumb is a regular-type crime like murder, theft or assault in a single spot, you get thrown into the state courts. If it's something that takes place across multiple states or is specifically against the state, such as a big criminal conspiracy or terrorism, then that's under federal court.

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LoveAndProse t1_iuk5cox wrote

where's the charge for conspiring to assassinate the speaker?

the only reason this was an attack on family is because the speaker wasn't present.

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bizzum t1_iuk5r5o wrote

Neat, where's the Democratic party tacitly supporting that kind of thing, poking fun at it, or turning the other cheek on shit as egregious as January 6th?

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morosco t1_iuk6y9z wrote

SCOTUS just reaffirmed a few years ago that this doesn't violate double jeopardy. It just doesn't happen very often because the feds prosecute so few cases, and when there's concurrent jurisdiction, states are happy to conserve the resources.

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verrius t1_iuk71w1 wrote

That's why I'm surprised. Murder I know is state, but "assassination of sitting federal officials" I'd think would be covered by federal law; there's a bunch of things you can do that are "covered" by a state crime that have a federal equivalent when either something crosses a state line, or federal officials are involved. It's especially surprising considering they apparently have made going after the family members of federal officials a crime, when going after the elected federal officials themselves in general isn't. Especially frustrating because I'm sure its against federal law to go after federal judges or FBI agents. But looking it up, even going after the sitting President isn't a particular federal crime...or at least wasn't until 1965, I'm not sure. Aaaaand now I'm on a list.

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shinobi7 t1_iuk77yw wrote

Yeah, those two old guys were probably harmless, but after January 6, the Buffalo supermarket massacre, and now Paul Pelosi being attacked, there is now a sizable portion of this country that has been radicalized and would take up arms against us, if the conditions were right.

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itsajaguar t1_iuk88aq wrote

It'd take you one google search to confirm this is a widespread republican lie. What's the purpose of your comment but to deflect and obfuscate when you're casting doubt on something you could've easily confirmed yourself?

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QuestionableNotion t1_iuk9d15 wrote

Given the lies I've heard the right wing tell over the years you'll forgive me for automatically assuming that you're full of stuffing.

>You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.

Precisely where, in that statement, was Schumer encouraging violence? Was your hand firmly pressed to your forehead when you posted that?

You really missed your opportunity with your "both party" nonsense. Remember the guy who shot up the Congressional baseball teams a few years back? Steve Scalise? The guy who shot him was a Bernie supporter. It's pretty black and white if you're trying to disingenuously show that both parties, both supporters of both philosophies, are the same.

Let's look at the history of violence in our political system - 2016 through the present.

Democratic side (? - if that's how one wants to frame it)

  • BLM protests - although one has to admit that the protests seemed to mainly become violent when the police (largely right wing trash) showed up and decided violence was necessary to "restore order".

  • The asshole who shot Stephen Scalise.

  • The asshole who stated he wanted to assassinate Brent Kavanaugh.

OK.

GOP's side

  • Unite The Right Rally - the event was rife with violence, culminating in the murder of one and the maiming of many more.

  • Several mass shooters. I'm not going to go looking for links to articles and social media, but face it - most of the people responsible for mass shootings turn out to be avid fans of red caps.

  • The plot to kidnap the sitting (Democratic) governor of the state of Michigan.

  • The coup attempt of Jan 6, 2021.

  • Various mosque burnings.

  • This asshole.

I'm even sure I'm forgetting a few. If you want to go further back than 2016 there was the guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics, various freaks shooting OB/GYNs in the 1990s, and Timothy McVeigh.

And let's not forget to give a special shoutout to bastards showing up outside polling places with rifles and tactical gear. Fuck them especially.

But, yeah, sure. Schumer said something that makes right wingers wet their pants and wave around handkerchiefs in consternation and dismay. OK.

Edit: Downvotes? Fuck you, Republicans.

The rise of domestic extremism in America

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

Assessing the right-wing terror threat in the United States a year after the January 6 insurrection

Sooooo many other examples. You people are terrorists. A quick google search proves that.

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CrashB111 t1_iuk9ep7 wrote

If they keep voting for the inmates to run the asylum, they support it. Full stop. Tacit approval is approval nonetheless.

You can't vote for insanity, then just wring your hands afterwards and claim, "But I HAAAD to do it! The other option was a Democrat!"

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thehoot79 t1_iuk9j6l wrote

I’d say hitting someone in the head with a hammer to the point where they need surgery should be considered attempted murder

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fight_your_friends t1_iukaxsp wrote

> The average Republican is appalled by this event

As indicated by what, exactly? The fact that they've been spreading conspiracy theories about the situation and the motivation of the terrorist?

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aristidedn t1_iukb71u wrote

> That will put an end to all this.

No, it won’t. Nothing will. Evidence doesn’t end conspiracy theories. It just causes the people who hold the conspiracy theories to become increasingly detached from reality as they try to justify why the evidence must be fake.

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