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BakedBread65 t1_j2y8b2d wrote

Bill will pass by 2025, then by 2037 they will have exactly one shop set up with a 300% tax markup

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machined_learning t1_j2yhiis wrote

"If passed, New Yorkers wouldn’t lose professional licenses, public assistance, or access to mental health and behavioral health services simply for using psychedelics."

I only want a therapist who has done psychedelics. Why give someone the keys to my mind if they've never even tried to explore their own?

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RW3Bro t1_j2yi68z wrote

A little surprising that mescaline (which seems to be more or less extinct these days) is included alongside psyilocybin and DMT, both of which are abundant.

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WasherDrye t1_j2ys0lw wrote

Which burning man tech diva is bending the ears of legislators to legalize mescaline? I mean, shoot your shot, and no complaints here, but I thought just mushrooms would still be a tough sell.

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TheRealestFunny t1_j2z02qr wrote

Definitely need it to thrive here. You’ll lose your mind without 😂

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GoRangers5 t1_j2z1d64 wrote

I have a hard time believing it's out of altruism.

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VenetaBirdSong t1_j2z2uk5 wrote

Replying to LittleKitty235 (#1,282,406)

I remember sitting in my friend’s dorm writing “I’m Mr DNA Man and I’ve come to steal your mind” then strolling to Irving Plaza to see Zap Mama and Talib Kweli. Good times. But a whole summer’s worth of work for one night for a friend and me.

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Captaintripps t1_j2z356o wrote

Some people in this sub could really stand to take DMT occasionally. At least their delusions would probably be interesting.

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yakoos t1_j2z4dnd wrote

Really dont understand the need to give people more drugs/alcohol/etc. War on drugs has been destructive but so are many of these substances. An approach to legalize/free use is a dangerously lazy answer.

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lowdiver t1_j2z4x16 wrote

Replying to yakoos (#1,282,534)

Many of these drugs have extremely valuable therapeutic benefits, and the war on drugs has all but destroyed any ability to research and use them in that context.

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cocktails5 t1_j2z64lg wrote

Replying to VenetaBirdSong (#1,282,111)

Once you get good at it it should be very little effort for a lot of reward. You can grow an absolute ton of mushrooms in a couple of storage bins. Mushrooms on the east coast are stupid expensive for how easy they are to grow and the relative lack of risk (no smell, no grow lights, concealed grow containers).

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Dichotopotamus t1_j2z6x4r wrote

Such a bad idea. Turning our streets into wastelands

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alphasupremacy5555 t1_j2z7o2d wrote

They wanna make mescaline legal)

Pretty soon they're going to want to legalize all the drugs.

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BxGeek79 t1_j2z9u2f wrote

How about they don't do this.

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Revir_Nosduh t1_j2zbk0x wrote

Mushrooms already are being sold openly all over the city

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mymindisgoo t1_j2zcfrl wrote

God how I would love to blast off on 5meo again.

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EdgeOrnery6679 t1_j2zcgd6 wrote

Replying to Dichotopotamus (#1,282,644)

The drug zombies you see walking around are from meth, crack and heroin. As long as those three remain banned the city will be fine. I just hope no progressive thinks about attempting to legalize those brain destroying chemicals.

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iHateRolerCoasters t1_j2zctdw wrote

ive been seeing shrooms being sold in lots of smoke shops and bodegas, especially in the bx. anyone try these?

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IIAOPSW t1_j2zd5oi wrote

Replying to AugustWest7120 (#1,282,268)

> of a natural plant or fungus-based hallucinogen.

LSD is derived from ergot, a type of fungus which infects plants in the wheat family causing the grains to develop black bulbouses.

Edit: I just clicked through and read the bill. It's a hard read and I may be missing something, but it looks like the quoted part isn't the whole story of what's in this thing. There's a whole section after that which goes on to define "plant based hallucinogen" as specifically meaning "any of the following compounds or their salts or isomers..." LSD is not on the list. The revised rules are helpfully shown in green and the parts of the legal code being overwritten are helpfully striker through in red. In section 5 we see the same list of" natural" chemicals crossed out but LSD is still there.

So it looks like I was wrong in interpreting that quote because every single word in it was defined to mean something else later on.

WTF is this arbitrary hippie "natural plant based" bullshit. I don't get what this guy thinks is natural VS processed, or why that's even relevant. This dude buying his psychedelics out the whole foods organic shelf?

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Rtn2NYC t1_j2zipmu wrote

Good lord I’m old- I don’t even know what these are.

That said, I’m all for it.

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Truktek3 t1_j2zk2b8 wrote

Yes!!!! Next meth and heroin....Par-Tay!

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70green t1_j2zkv8p wrote

Fear and loathing New York

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Longroadfrom87 t1_j2zog12 wrote

Can't speak for DMT or mescaline but psilocybin should be legal. The sweats, tears, and possible shits are all worth it for that mentally clear and relaxed feeling the next day.

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daned t1_j301rad wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,284,011)

Good luck! I completely understand and this is why I've been to thirty therapists. I want to take about ten minutes to get through the basic shit, not four sessions.

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RW3Bro t1_j303d5f wrote

Replying to AugustWest7120 (#1,282,268)

Can’t speak for mescaline, but acid is far more mentally destabilizing than DMT or shrooms. There’s a reason it was weaponized against a nascent counterculture in the 60s and 70s.

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LikesBallsDeep t1_j304j7j wrote

You know if Cuomo had somehow survived his scandal, this could be legalized tomorrow if someone just came out with another credible accusation.

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ordinary_love t1_j305ri5 wrote

Great, just what we need. Brown bagging mescaline.

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TheNormalAlternative t1_j3076oz wrote

Mushrooms are already legal if you know what to look for and where.

Edit: Confused why people are downvoting this. Psychedelic mushrooms literally grow all over the country, and if you are properly trained, you can hunt for them in NYC's parks.

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Princess_Juggs t1_j308mnf wrote

Nice, maybe we can get some serious psychedelic research started on the east coast

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ctindel t1_j30pv9l wrote

Replying to machined_learning (#1,282,046)

There’s literally no way anyone can know what the juice tastes like without having tasted it. It’s a bad analogy to prove your point but it’s a great analogy to prove the inverse haha.

There’s no way someone can know what psychedelics are like without trying them.

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fafalone t1_j30q2qh wrote

Replying to AugustWest7120 (#1,282,268)

For some reason all these bills to legalize psychedelics are drawing some ridiculous distinction with "natural medicine". Where we should only be allowed to have the 'natural medicine' of psychedelics that occur in nature. It's entirely unjustified and arbitrary to exclude LSD, but all the bills in other states like this have done it for some reason.

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fafalone t1_j30qqs8 wrote

Replying to EdgeOrnery6679 (#1,282,892)

We'd be much better off if they were legalized. Users enrolled in maintenance programs don't need to commit property crimes as the drugs are provided for the pennies per dose they cost the state, they commit fewer other crimes, and are more likely to maintain housing and employment. ODs are also primarily from unknown dosages of unknown fent analogs.

A large portion of the harm you're attributing to those substances arises because of prohibition. While there's certainly substantial intrinsic harms, these are maximized by keeping them illegal, and a properly regulated system of legalization would minimize them in addition to eliminating all the harm caused exclusively by prohibition (like property crime for drug money).

For these substances, it's a complete strawman to think legalization means OTC sales on every corner, nobody serious is proposing that model, but it does mean a system of being able to acquire them in a medicalized setting.

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AnneArchy123 t1_j3110hi wrote

We already have too many people high on too many things in NYC but I want to try Ayahuasca without getting arrested so I'm divided on this.

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EmeraldFalcon89 t1_j31qqfq wrote

Replying to cocktails5 (#1,282,610)

plus you can choose the strain of mushroom which is really significant. I was pretty much not a fan of shrooms until I grew my own, they were less prolific and not as strong but they felt much more energetic

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ctindel t1_j31x2br wrote

Replying to machined_learning (#1,286,880)

I remember trying guava nectar for the first time as an adult when I went to Hawaii. I had never tasted anything like it. There’s no way someone could have described it to me in a way I’d really understand without having tasted it myself.

I dunno maybe great therapists can imagine what guava nectar tastes like without having tasted it, but I really doubt it. The most they could do is ask “how did that make you feel when you drank it?”

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adfreedissociation t1_j32cnod wrote

I saw mushrooms sold at smoke shops on Fremont street in Vegas they were overpriced as shit like $75 for an 1/8ths equivalent of gummies

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FartSniffingDog t1_j32k9mg wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,286,641)

That’s very considerate of you, but you can literally grow it in secret in your closet. As long as you aren’t drawing attention to yourself by trying to become a drug dealer, no one will know, but you and god and your dead ego.

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machined_learning t1_j33eowy wrote

Replying to ctindel (#1,287,182)

Well the original commenter I was responding to had a great insight, which was that even if the person used psychedelics it would be difficult to compare their experience to my experience and even know if they are similar enough to be useful in a therapy setting.

In essence, if everyone's experience is so different anyway, why not just look for someone who has opened their mind to the experience and maybe studied it or worked closely with other people who have. A mind open to possibility and understanding could be more in line with what I would want, rather than a mind that deals in absolutes like "there is literally no way anyone can know what the juice tastes like..."

I see what you are saying though. Psychedelics are hard to imagine without having tried them.

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[deleted] t1_j341bvr wrote

Replying to TheNormalAlternative (#1,287,461)

I just dont see how the city would improve with these being legal recreationally. I can understand these being used medicinally when administered by professionals, but making it available over the counter just normalizes it, especially for kids. The whole movement to legalize all drugs just doesnt make sense when you look at it in the big picture. What’s next, legalizing heroin and coke?

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janandgeorgeglass t1_j347cwo wrote

Replying to PerceptualEmergence (#1,291,036)

Seriously lol, it's always funny how many people assume mushrooms are so much safer/better than LSD automatically because they come from nature. Both can be life changing and therapeutic, as well as having the potential to cause bad trips. The public really needs better education when it comes to psychedelics

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gazorpazorpfuknfield t1_j34cu86 wrote

Replying to RW3Bro (#1,284,314)

BS. It depends on the person and many other factors whether they handle one better than the other.

LSD was attempted to be weaponized because it's insanely easy to produce conceal and covertly deliver millions of doses even against someone's will. Can't do that with mushrooms

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Mammoth_Sprinkles705 t1_j35czd8 wrote

They could have the police stop enforcing possession and sale tomorrow if they wanted too.

I guess they would rather locking people in a metal cage.

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mikep120001 t1_j37mtos wrote

Replying to Chairmaster29 (#1,291,282)

Pe don’t sporelate and can only inoculate from the fruit.

Also fwiw to these comments; it’s WAY easier to grow in bulk than small amounts and pounds can be harvested for under 20$ in materials once you’re up and running

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kurama3 t1_j37x4nt wrote

Replying to yakoos (#1,282,534)

So you’re against the war on drugs, but you’re also against legalization of drugs. What’s your solution then? Confiscation and destruction of drugs?

I agree they can be very dangerous when used stupidly. But so are a lot of legal things (guns, alcohol)

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RW3Bro t1_j38oj80 wrote

Replying to Motor_Ad_473 (#1,297,369)

I don’t care if you trust me, I’m just sharing an opinion that’s informed by a breadth of experience which I’d hazard is larger than most people’s.

It’s also suspicious how many people (namely Kesey and Leary) who were involved with turning LSD into the cultural juggernaut it became in the 60s and 70s had ties to intelligence services or their experiments. Many of the villains of the time period (Kaczynski, Bulger, Manson, and Sirhan) were verified or rumored to be connected as well, but it’s impossible to have a sober reconciliation of what happened since the CIA had those files destroyed.

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Chairmaster29 t1_j39yrha wrote

Replying to mikep120001 (#1,296,287)

Absolutely, except PE does sporelate it's just very light, and light colored. You need to swab the gills with a sterile cotton swab, which can be dabbed on an agar tray, but cloning is the best bet for a home cultivator. If they didn't sporelate you couldn't buy a PE spore syringe from a vendor. But yeah why grow brown rice cakes when you can grow tubs. I wouldn't say easier but as easy for sure yup.

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mikep120001 t1_j3a25qu wrote

Replying to Chairmaster29 (#1,299,508)

It’s like 1 extra step to go from cakes to bulk. It was easier for me at least as I went straight to bulk when I farmed. When I wrote sporelate I was kinda implying the natural way when a fruit opens and they drop. Having to swab them isn’t really dropping spores imho. Plus if you’re already using agar you’d be better just taking a piece of fruit body vs a spore to stick w better genetics vs the unknown.

I could be wrong as it’s going back a few years but the pe syringes I used had chunks of fruits floating in them whereas other cube subspecies would have globs of spores.

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Motor_Ad_473 t1_j3a8nst wrote

Replying to RW3Bro (#1,297,911)

> breadth of experience which I’d hazard is larger than most people’s.

I haven’t met a single person who’s tried acid and been against it in the manner you are. Not one.

> cultural juggernaut it became in the 60s and 70s

Psychedelics were a “cultural juggernaut” back then because “war on drugs” propaganda wasn’t being shoved down the throats of Americans. They could actually think for themselves back then.

> had ties to intelligence services or their experiments.

What are you basing that on? Leary was arrested and widely hated for his views/use of psychedelics. You know those experiences you’re referencing used a ridiculous dose of acid paired with psychological torture. It wasn’t the acid itself at all.

> villains

The world isn’t a comic book lol

> were verified or rumored to be connected as well

They were already vulnerable when they were psychologically abused by the CIA under the influence of incomprehensible doses of psychedelics without their consent

> happened since the CIA had those files destroyed.

Why do you think that is? Same government that has relentlessly pushed propaganda against only certain drugs they can’t profit off of. Ones that free the mind and endanger the established order.

You don’t seem to have this same disdain for alcohol. I have yet to see a single study pointing to the positive mental health effects of alcohol.

Are all of those positive studies about psychedelics also funded by the CIA? The same government that lists marijuana as a schedule 1 substance?

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