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TheCriticalAmerican t1_iv0pcnc wrote

Competition is always good. I feel the U.S and China are heading towards and All Mankind type of timeline.

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cjameshuff t1_iv0scr6 wrote

..."now"? They've pretty consistently been coming second only to SpaceX in launch rate and mass to orbit, and have been regularly flying astronauts to their own space stations.

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nova9001 t1_iv0uccl wrote

Replying to cjameshuff (#441,964)

>NOV 4, 2022 8:00 AM

That's the date/time author wrote the article. So yea at that point of time China just became a major space power.

Jokes aside, its funny how clickbait titles work.

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nova9001 t1_iv0uwyn wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_International_Space_Station

>While ESA is open to China's inclusion, the US is against it.[45] US concerns over the transfer of technology that could be used for military purposes echo similar concerns over Russia's participation prior to its membership.[46][47]

12 years ago US banned China from ISS and today China has completed their own space station. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

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Cless_Aurion t1_iv0xglb wrote

Funny to read this now, hours after one of China's space rockets made Spain close off part of their air traffic because they lost control of it...

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Dragon___ t1_iv0y9j1 wrote

Replying to Cless_Aurion (#442,278)

They never had control in the first place. Their launch architecture is to intentionally sow chaos and terror as their expended stages randomly tumble back to earth. You can watch the reentry prediction and the trajectory pretty much always has a nonzero probability of crashing into the US or Europe. It's insanity.

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scunglyscrimblo t1_iv11cth wrote

Look I don’t think China fear mongering is good but I think it is very fair to have some worried regarding them becoming a space superpower. They haven’t had the best track record with making sure debris don’t fall right next to schools lol. I’m sure they’d pollute the moons sphere of influence in a heartbeat

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chriswaco t1_iv125s5 wrote

Replying to InsGadget6 (#442,466)

Right, but now China has the complete start-to-finish expertise to create their own station. Soon they’ll be better than we are at it, just like manufacturing.

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Yumewomiteru t1_iv17l2v wrote

Indeed, and the whole world will benefit, e.g. China will help launch a moon rover for the UAE. Well, aside for the US that is, who foolishly banned themselves from corporation with China's space program.

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Radiant_Nothing_9940 t1_iv1ap0v wrote

And it has been for a while. Thanks r/space for something that everyone already fucking knew. Posts like these ruin Reddit.

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chriswaco t1_iv1puyv wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#443,229)

It’s not pride. It’s reality. My US-based engineering school is now 25% Chinese. The first generation of US-trained engineers has returned home and China is now training more engineers than we are.

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Bensemus t1_iv1rgwc wrote

Replying to Dragon___ (#442,333)

> Their launch architecture is to intentionally sow chaos and terror

This isn't true. They aren't trying to cause a panic. Some of their rockets uses a sustainer centre core that makes it into a very low orbit. They haven't invested in the tech to relight the engines or add deorbit motors to deorbit it in a controlled fashion.

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Bensemus t1_iv1rud3 wrote

Replying to Yumewomiteru (#442,830)

The US banned China over concerns of intellectual property theft. In the last decade China has done nothing to show that they respect international patent laws to the same degree as the West. They've recently been accused of stealing trade secrets from TSMC to get their own chip fabs up to par.

The US doesn't see that as a mistake.

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DevoidHT t1_iv214f6 wrote

I won’t consider them a space power until they stop dropping used boosters uncontrolled. It’s lazy at best, incompetent at worst.

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KitteNlx t1_iv21x3y wrote

Now if only they could stop dropping space trash onto people.

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ekkidee t1_iv254r8 wrote

Welcome to the club, China. Please properly dispose of your space junk. Thank you.

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cjameshuff t1_iv25yli wrote

Replying to scunglyscrimblo (#442,494)

They may not be about to conquer space and then the world, or even grab any unusually valuable territory, but:

  1. they are genuinely growing in capability at a rapid rate.
  2. it would be better to overestimate them than underestimate them.
  3. there's a sizable group of people who are more motivated by national competition than by anything else. It's not my reason to support space, but it gets support for space. And frankly, peaceful cooperation and "common heritage of mankind" blather isn't getting us anywhere.
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earsplitingloud t1_iv2g89h wrote

American politicians let China get the technology to get payloads into orbit. The Chinese will use that technology against their neighboring countries and America one day.

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PurpleSupermarket835 t1_iv2zyjl wrote

So is MUSK. He is singlehandidly decreasing launch cost. What's your point?

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koebelin t1_iv347vn wrote

In a serious WW3 effort, the first step must be to knock out the satellites.

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[deleted] t1_iv3mza1 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#446,927)

No, I live in this place called "reality" where the chinese launched a shitty skylab clone and are performing experiments the rest of the world did 40 years ago.

It's not even a science station, it's a propaganda station.

Edit: found the wumaos in the thread

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toodroot t1_iv44wxh wrote

Replying to Bensemus (#443,852)

The easiest solution is what Energia and Shuttle did: don't put the big thing into orbit. People even talked about this before the first CZ-5B launch.

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greatestmofo t1_iv4i40r wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#443,229)

The US stole British tech in the past, then took over and become a manufacturing prowess.

China stole US tech, and is now a manufacturing prowess.

In the next few decades, India will steal Chinese tech and become a manufacturing prowess themselves.

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poopmaster79 t1_iv4wzwg wrote

Replying to chriswaco (#442,537)

In my opinion it would have been better to just have a single ISS for all nations doing space programs, all these resources to build a separate space station could have been utilised somewhere else, this just seems like a baseless competition to do the same experiments in the same kind of environment but in two different places, humanity can't look past it's own differences, how does one expect us to reach the stars and look beyond what's discovered?

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EventAccomplished976 t1_iv4z3y8 wrote

Replying to cjameshuff (#441,964)

China was launching more rockets than the US for the past four years and is getting beaten this year only due to starlink. Mass to orbit is indeed a different story since most of the currently in service chinese LVs are smaller than their western counterparts.

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Decronym t1_iv4zidq wrote

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

|Fewer Letters|More Letters| |-------|---------|---| |ESA|European Space Agency| |ETOV|Earth To Orbit Vehicle (common parlance: "rocket")| |LV|Launch Vehicle (common parlance: "rocket"), see ETOV|

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chriswaco t1_iv5zqfq wrote

Replying to Analyst7 (#449,288)

The same reason our rockets used German designs. It’s the fastest way to get started. If not for the private company SpaceX, the US would be way behind Russia and China in launch capacity right now.

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