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batpot t1_j73moh2 wrote

It's disturbing how wide spread this is in the sports world. Oregon track US Gymnastics US Snowboarding

The only silver lining to these revelations is it empowers other women athletes to not have to give in to it.

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2greenlimes t1_j73vp9b wrote

Predators will find ways to be predators…

Elite sports involves a lot of kids/teens being alone with their coaches. Even outside of locker rooms, parents just leave their kids to train for 2-3+ hours with no parental supervision. Just kids and coaches - because coaches, especially successful ones, are respected authority figures.

Unfortunately as well SafeSport is very underfunded and underpowered to do shit. In figure skating there’s been several coaches who SafeSport has banned, only for said coaches to sue SafeSport and get a paltry punishment for their crimes - and since SafeSport is the ultimate authority other than the legal system, the sport’s organizing body can do nothing to overturn either one for a harsher sentence.

The thing I am happy about is that this issue is being brought to light and something will be forced to change in the US. I can only imagine what’s happening in places like Russia and China where parents are straight up banned from some training facilities and some underaged athletes live in dorms year round…

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LimerickJim t1_j74c5hs wrote

This. Wherever there are people put in positions of trust around children there will be predators. Be it religions, sports or scouts.

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Chitownitl20 t1_j757q7k wrote

This. Wherever there are people put in positions of trust in a culture based on exploitation put around children there will be predators. Be it business, religions, sports, scouts, government.

The solution is to build a culture against exploitation, but that’s inherently anti-capitalist, so that’s not happening and it’s just a problem we are willing to accept as a community.

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AudioShepard t1_j76d6h7 wrote

Why is everyone mad? You’re right.

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PM_ur_Rump t1_j771dyy wrote

What? Reddit usually loves criticizing capitalism.

It does deserve much criticism, but that comment was just dumb.

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77fwqq wrote

The foundation of capitalism is exploitation. If you don’t understand that you don’t know what capitalism is. Which most Americans don’t know what capitalism is, so that’s just normal.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77n1ca wrote

I mean it’s ironic when you clearly don’t know what capitalism is. Capitalism has its faults, just like communism…

But what you’re describing is the economic system of mercantilism and colonialism. Which Americans don’t realize for some reason capitalism replaced in the 19th century

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77nrxr wrote

Communism is a theoretical concept of what comes after socialism. Nobody knows exactly what that looks like but we have a general idea of what it can look like.

We know exactly what capitalism is because it’s the current system.

Mercantilism is late stage feudalism. As fascism is late stage capitalism.

You 100% don’t know what capitalism. You can’t have capitalism without exploitation. It simply doesn’t work without exploitation. Not all socioeconomic political systems require exploitation.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77oo9t wrote

That’s just wrong at a basic level. Have you ever taken a course on macroeconomics?

Socialism is a vague term that has no meaning and everyone applies it to what they want. Communists all called their countries socialist, and you’re naive as fuck if you think communism hasn’t been tried

capitalism, real capitalism in the vein of Adam Smith; is anti-exploitative and urges equality of opportunity. Like he said “the measure of a society’s wealth isn’t the gold in a kings vault but the prosperity and well being of its people”

Communism, like fascism, is inherently authoritarian by nature.

Anyone advocating to replace our failed economic system with an even worse one is naive at best and an arrogant idiot at worst.

Social democracy is the way to go. Capitalist free markets with socialist government services. But you’ll probably make a comment all the lines of “that’s why we call you a succ dem hehe” right?

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77pb0k wrote

You 100% have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re so wrong it’s not even worth continuing trying to inform you.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77po40 wrote

I love comments like this, it confirms you don’t really know anything past high school level about macroeconomic systems and you need to tap out.

It’s okay, just say “uncle”

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77qed2 wrote

You’ve definitely only taken High-school level economics.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77qpug wrote

Tell yourself that if you need to…. It’s know it false and doesn’t make this argument any less embarrassing for you

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77ttp6 wrote

Your arguments are common for kids in High-school. In no way are they embarrassing. Just common.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j7876do wrote

It’s funny how I know you’re lying, since I attended a top-10 ranked public school and only learned the very surface-level definitions that can easily be confused like you guys have then.

It wasn’t until college, and not just college but college focused on macroeconomic systems, that I learned what I just shared with you.

Take a class, it might help you understand better than I can

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78g6ea wrote

Lol, top ranked High school.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j78i6e4 wrote

Yeah… those exist.

Quality of public school education varies greatly by state.

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78ifxj wrote

You’re bragging about a High-school education. This is how I know you’re at least old enough to be still in High-school, but also a high probability you’re still in middle school about to go into HS.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j78yzaq wrote

You’re failing to use reading comprehension to actually read my comment properly. That’s how I know you’re education failed you at every level. But let me break down what just happened for you

-you claimed that my detailed comment was only “what you’d learn in high school”

-I explained that in one of americas best high schools, you don’t learn all that, you learn a very surface level definition of all these things. Thus I know you’re lying when you say your high school in America taught you any of that

-I then explained that I learned this while getting my degree in college

-you somehow got confused and keep falling back on “yOuRe BrAgGiNg AbOuT a HiGh ScHoOl!” And still not comprehending what was actually said to you

Unless you happened to go to one of 8 specific schools in this country, you did not learn any of that in high school, and you talking out of your ass when you say “ThAtS hIgH sChOoL lEvEl StUfF!”

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78znoh wrote

No I’m not saying you learned anything in high school. Your ignorance is reminiscent of high school level ignorance. It would make sense that you’re about to go To this top 8 school.

And you should be proud of getting in! Good for you! It’s worth celebrating!

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77rc70 wrote

This is an example of a gishgallop. You’ve got so many wrong things in this statement it would take hours to debunk.

The funnest part is you do “no true capitalism” & “no true communism”

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77sll4 wrote

Yup we’ve never had capitalism or communism in their purest ideological forms. Because that’s how reality works, you have to account for good and bad actors existing and create a system that promotes transparency and democracy. Extremist left and right economic systems both discourage that form of political system

Both sides of you extremists, communists on the left and fascists on the right, are equally as misinformed, destructive, and arrogant in your ignorance.

On the right the fascists have become mainstream so they’re the concerning priority. But all these kids post-2016 who have graduated shitty high schools thinking they should be communist and never being able to afford college education to learn better (thanks to Republicans) like you is a real concern for the future

Try to actually state your economic plans, instead of just making substance less snarky quips. It’s high school behavior and it’s time to grow up

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77t6vx wrote

More gishgallop and more evidence you’ve not taken any college level courses in economics, political science, or any other sociological science.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j77tpn1 wrote

Wrong 🤣

Just a pro tip The debate strategy of “I’m rubber you’re glue, whatever you throw bounces of me and sticks to you” is not actually a respected debate strategy outside of gradeschool

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77v21q wrote

Lol. This isn’t a debate. But thank you for clarifying that you think this is. That explains your gishgallop.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j786x4y wrote

When you’re trying to win other readers over to your ideology, it’s a debate

Idgaf what you think, I give a fuck what ideas the readers of this convo come away from it with. And it seems I’ve succeeding in stopping your ignorance from spreading any further today

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78ga0p wrote

No. Lol. None of that is correct.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j78i34w wrote

Great retort. Full of depth, just like those of your comrades

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78i5lb wrote

Definitely age appropriate for you.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j78ieqx wrote

You’re almost definitely high school age or near it, like the vast majority of tankies

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Chitownitl20 t1_j78imh5 wrote

“Everyone to the left that disagrees with me is a communist” your republican parents influence is leaking.

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ItsAlwaysSmokyInReno t1_j78y5e5 wrote

“Republican parents”

That gave me quite a laugh.

The truth is I’m about as far left as you can be without being a tankie.

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PM_ur_Rump t1_j77idzk wrote

I'd say it's more that many humans are exploitive and have found ways to use capitalism to exploit people, just as happens under every system. It's not an necessary part of capitalism. In theory, everyone works and adds to the economy what they can and receives from it in kind. But the world is not perfect, and people love to exploit whatever they can.

I'm personally a communist in theory, but a realist in practice, and see that communism is just as much or more prone to exploitation in practice. It's basically the same idea of "everyone works, everyone thrives" but with a community centered thought process instead of a self centered one.

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77jv88 wrote

You fundamentally don’t know what capitalism is.

If your labor provides a good or service, you are not a capitalist.

Without exploitation you can’t have shareholder profits.

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Kill_Frosty t1_j76qrxz wrote

No they aren’t. One of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. Just another teenager angry at making minimum wage blaming the “system” for everything

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77fqqh wrote

I’m a business owner. I do the exploiting first hand. Everyone that works for me has a worse economic situation that I exploit.

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Kill_Frosty t1_j77gos5 wrote

And how does this lead to sexual exploitation? Why does it happen in other countries without capitalism, in every culture and civilization in history of human’s?

No it must be capitalism

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77iap3 wrote

How does a culture that promotes exploitation lead to more exploitation?

You can’t be serious?

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Kill_Frosty t1_j77pfeo wrote

No, how does exploitation happen regardless of how society is built?

Correlation does not imply causation. This is reddit though so keep raging against that machine.

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77q8ni wrote

Exploitation requires imbalance of power. Because we don’t recognize personal property and we have a capitalist legal system, most public property and 100% of personal property is legally categorized as private property.

All property is categorized into private or public property in capitalist legal system. We don’t recognize personal property rights, you go to work at a public company you don’t automatically have equal rights with every worker there over the profits of your labor. The capitalist has legal rights over that.

So you have to use your labor to profit, to be exploited, while the capitalist doesn’t have to work a day in his life gets to hire someone to negotiate against you from a position of privileged ownership under threat of starvation.

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Kill_Frosty t1_j77qv45 wrote

Why are you repeating this over and over? Yes I know the system is fucked up if you aren’t at the top.

My point however is that this problem exists regardless of system. The assertion that us growing up in this system leads to sexual abuse is asinine and stupid af. This is of course because this has happened in every form of society and government ever. Why? Because humans will ALWAYS form power groups, always.

Edit: OP is a libertarian. All makes sense

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Chitownitl20 t1_j77u9zx wrote

I’m a social democrat, which is a traditional leftwing libertarian.

Human nature is to defy our natural instinctual thoughts and instead use logical reasoning. It’s what separates us from animals.

Exploitation is naturally animal instinct. It requires power imbalances.

It’s a wild state. We are not doomed to it.

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AlanFromRochester t1_j75v3ve wrote

also, there a lot of people trying to make it, so the talent doesn't have as much leverage plus it can be a judgment call who makes it. perverts could abuse that discretion and pretend the decision was a subjective assessment of talent

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MoJax25 t1_j75vnvw wrote

I just spoke about this with my partner earlier today. I wasn’t anywhere near elite level sports but played multiple sports since around 5 years old until graduating college, and we were often alone with grown men on the coaching staff in locker rooms, during practices or waiting for our parents to pick us up after practice, conditioning, games, PT and very often for away summer sports tournaments with the teams.

My parents were super supportive and one of them was pretty much always able to come to 99% of my games, I never had to wait for hours and hours to get picked up and I was still alone with several different male coaches fairly often. Thankfully, my coaches weren’t creeps and never tried anything but now that I’m an adult, I see how “easy” (and I hate that this is best word I could of) it would’ve been for a coach to be completely inappropriate, predatory and take advantage of the power dynamic.

Glad that the victims are able to speak out and hopefully get justice.

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greenweezyi t1_j76r1jn wrote

For real though. I played on the boys golf team in high school and loved every competitive second of it. The teammates and coach all “protected” me in case someone tried picking on me. I was extremely fortunate.

But looking back, my mom essentially sent me into the woods with boys. It could’ve gone very wrong but luckily it was a great time

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Arntor1184 t1_j77x3rf wrote

Any time you have dedicated and passionate people so close to their dreams it’s also easy to leverage them. It’s why you see this so much in high end corporate gigs, schools, and video gaming as well as sports. If you take someone to an inch of their goal then say “well idk, maybe I need something out of this” you have a ton of leverage to facilitate abuse.

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lifeofideas t1_j75o87e wrote

Where do they find all the time to actually do the sex trafficking? Aren’t they busy coaching elite athletes?

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gonewild9676 t1_j76k64u wrote

There's lots of traveling involved going to meets plus they are together a lot. There's also a power dynamic where the coach is highly respected and there's a line of athletes waiting to use their services and if you don't do everything they say then you'll be replaced.

Plus there's a lot of grooming involved and they start slowly to make it seem normal and then cross boundaries. At that point the athlete assumes that if they complain that they won't be taken seriously and it will be the end of their careers.

It's similar with modeling. It might start with modeling jeans. Then they are told they can make more money modeling swim suits. Then underwear. Then model these panties but cover your breasts with your arms. Now just your hands, and it devolves from there. Then once they have topless pictures they threaten revenge porn and they are trapped.

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cardboardunderwear t1_j742dxm wrote

Good ol’ Penn State with Sandusky too. Let’s not forget about that asshole along with all his enablers.

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claito_nord t1_j761sjp wrote

Not to mention Jim Jordan who we decided to elect to office for some stupid fucking reason

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interuptingcow420 t1_j741cab wrote

I went to Oregon and this is the first I’m hearing of sex trafficking allegations about the track team/staff. I wasn’t able to find anything online. Can you provide a source?

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batpot t1_j742jtk wrote

I think I was misremembering that story. Was not a sexual assault just cut throat training regiment.

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A0ma t1_j748ky1 wrote

Yeah, Oregon and Nike were slowly killing their female athletes. Combination of overworking and malnutrition so they would look good on Nike ads.

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interuptingcow420 t1_j74d6v6 wrote

Happened on the football team as well. Wasn’t unique to one sport unfortunately

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Goducks91 t1_j7612ww wrote

Football situation was a bit different and still bad. Taggert had one intense day of workouts which caused injury to players. The track situation was constant abuse and overworking.

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AlanFromRochester t1_j75vhff wrote

yes, some sports abuse scandals are nonsexual, and passed off as aggressive motivation or something like that

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batpot t1_j76umnp wrote

I mentioned it initially, it was still a scandal, but more in line with the reason Katelyn Ohashi quit gymnastics.

It's not in the same arena as systemic sexual assault.

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AlanFromRochester t1_j75utyi wrote

There have been several abuse scandals in the NWSL (top US womens soccer league) as well. same shit different sport.

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marigolds6 t1_j77h5jc wrote

How quickly we forget the Ohio State wrestling case. 20 years, 177 athletes, $40M settlement, and Jim Jordan somehow comes out unscathed.

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Hipsthrough100 t1_j77hjdv wrote

I have read this story but immediately think how insane it is that the US has, what will like become, the unbeatable winningest snowboarder of all time in Chloe Kim but she has to dodge so much bullshit.

With Trump as president and all his “China Flu” bs, Kim was delivered so much hate with rocket fuel behind it. To think she this close to this as well and is easily the best female snowboarder on the planet, man. There’s countries that couldn’t offer any snowboarder that is better.

I’m Canadian so Mark McMorris is my man but he doesn’t have many years left so I know Chloe Kim will be 10-20 wins over his head by the time she is done. The USA has this massive talent but half the country hates her for not being white and she has to dodge sexual predators. Fk

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claito_nord t1_j761ml6 wrote

Wait what was the sex trafficking in US gymnastics? I know about the Nassar coach guy was there actual trafficking in gymnastics?

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rytram99 t1_j77ri8o wrote

Nothing i have read actually substantiates this accusation other than they were abused in multiple locations such as at events. they weren't traded around and sold for sex or anything like that. so i would conclude that Trafficking is just for impact to stir people up more.

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Moddelba t1_j76p2zg wrote

Almost like they need to draft youth coaches instead of take the most eager candidates.

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jannyhammy t1_j77w88g wrote

Canadian hockey, Canadian gymnastics.. it’s in every sport.

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h0twired t1_j76l20n wrote

The whole concept of getting kids into sports is getting less and less appealing every day.

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Convergecult15 t1_j76pi4i wrote

The problem isn’t any specific group or activity, predators are everywhere. Any high level competitive industry that children are in will constantly remind children that there are a dozen kids waiting to take their spot. Acting, sports, private schools, anything that separates children from peers through effort. You need to raise your kids to be confident when dealing with adults, and provide them with the security and support they need at home. Children have no frame of reference for normal adult interactions in these settings, they question and convince themselves that whatever’s happening is normal for what they’re doing because it’s happening to their peers in these environments as well. Be the driving force behind your child’s confidence in addition to their passions, let them know they can talk to you, ask them questions. If your kid is ever an adult outside your presence ask about what happened in an interested way, coach them on how to handle interactions after the fact. “Oh coach just wanted to talk about my form in competition” ok what did he say and how did you respond? “Oh that’s a great way of handling that, you can also try saying xyz next time” normalize them telling you about private conversations with adults so that they’re comfortable coming to you about those moments, don’t interrogate or pry, but make it natural for them to tell you what is said and done to them by others. You can’t protect them at all times, but you need them to trust and be forthright with you.

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NeitherPot t1_j77xbaz wrote

That’s great as long as you believe them when they tell you something’s wrong. What about all those gymnasts who told their parents about Nassar and they just kept on sending them to him.

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leif777 t1_j73nkeu wrote

What the fuck dude...

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jobe_br t1_j73qpc1 wrote

This

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jw8815 t1_j752spx wrote

Where in the article did it mention trafficking? The article mentions sexual Assault, and coercion but I didn't see anything about trafficking.

Edit: Trafficking is using force or coercion to SELL sex. The coach allegedly SAed the victims there was no mention about actual trafficking. Words matter.

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UpgrayeddSmurphy t1_j758qtu wrote

It may be coaches traveling with young kids across state/international borders while offending?

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SexMusical t1_j760bzf wrote

That seems to be a stretch of the legal boundaries around trafficking.

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NotLucasDavenport t1_j766mpo wrote

It’s a common misconception that trafficking has to do with movement. It’s one part of one kind of trafficking but not the only thing. Per the official government website:

Neither U.S. law nor international law requires that a trafficker or victim move across a border for a human trafficking offense to take place.  Trafficking in persons is a crime of exploitation and coercion, and not movement.  Traffickers can use schemes that take victims hundreds of miles away from their homes or exploit them in the same neighborhoods where they were born.

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djpresstone t1_j76c934 wrote

From childwelfare.gov:

> [Trafficking is] the exploitation of people through force, coercion, threat, and deception and includes human rights abuses such as debt bondage, deprivation of liberty, and lack of control over freedom and labor

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MVieno t1_j77o27f wrote

They were bound to be stuck in traffic at some point.

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UpgrayeddSmurphy t1_j7bcwon wrote

If it goes towards charging this piece of shit with more felonies, and dissuades other pieces of shit from seeking this type of work to exploit more victims:

"Meh, I'll allow it."

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Capital-Timely t1_j77xpkd wrote

Definition of trafficking isn’t just about selling sex or movement, it’s about controlling and exploiting someone for sex something of value, in this case I’m guessing it’s the Ir status in the olympics.

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PM_ME_SCALIE_ART t1_j74jsur wrote

The US government needs to do a deep dive audit of their sports teams. Another one of these situations so soon after the Nassar and US Gymnastics scandal is unacceptable.

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jubbu t1_j74lpeo wrote

>Unlike most other nations, the United States government does not have a Ministry of Sports and does not fund its Olympic Committee.

I just wanted you to know the US government does not oversee the Olympic committee, it's a private business / "charity"

I don't disagree with you that there should be way more investigation into what is essentially becoming a criminal organization of sexual assault.

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nevertrustamod t1_j75t4iw wrote

So in other words, we should fucking nationalize that shit since they clearly can’t handle it.

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canttouchmypingas t1_j76bl7u wrote

The government can't manage anything properly but when a private company does something bad all of the sudden you believe they can? Yeah nah

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Convergecult15 t1_j76pvow wrote

The thing is private companies can’t manage anything either. Efficiency in private industry is a myth of management. Private industry appears more effective because it’s opaque, government record keeping is what informs us of the waste.

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AtheistComic t1_j73k3lm wrote

Sport should bring joy and unity, not exploit and enslave the vulnerable in the shadow of its spotlight.

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Madler t1_j76gq5m wrote

I was sexually assaulted/r word by an ex Olympian in the snowboard industry, and it was insane to watch the small amount of people who I’d tell just try and brush it off, because the guy “is just a really great guy and has done a lot for snowboarding…”

Snowboarding can be so predatory, and I was on the design side. It wasn’t hard to be completely spat out of that industry that I’ve never been able to go back to design.

No bueno.

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codeslikeshit t1_j76y0nc wrote

That’s so fucked and I’m so sorry you went though that

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tcbysprinkles t1_j74n4jc wrote

Millennials really did grow up in a world where if they were involved in ANY extracurricular activity, there was a high chance of molestation or sex trafficking.

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BiffyMcGillicutty1 t1_j752u3y wrote

I was involved in sports, but my terrible creep-tasting experience was with a substitute teacher at my school. He was “friends” with the boys my age and would use them to approach girls. When you’re 12/13, it seems great when the “cool” sub pulls you out of a boring class to just come talk to him during his open period. You know, because “you really get him” and “aren’t like the other girls”, which are direct quotes from him. Turns out he was subbing in middle school after he had been banned from subbing in the high school and junior high for acting inappropriately toward the female students. Good news, though. He went on to become a police office in the neighboring town.

My point is that creeps always find a way and are drawn to situations where they have power over others. I can’t tell you the number of arrests I’ve seen of church youth leaders. Nowhere is safe. You gotta keep your head on a swivel.

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ddh85 t1_j75bike wrote

At least the church leaders were arrested. Too many of them get protected by the church and the township law enforcement.

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DungholeTramp t1_j75c65a wrote

What is the difference between middle school and junior high?

Always heard them referred to as the same thing.

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BiffyMcGillicutty1 t1_j75cejq wrote

It varies from state to state. Where we live now, there’s elementary (K-5), middle (6-8) and high school (9-12). In the state I grew up in, it was elementary (K-5), middle (6-7), junior high (8-9) and high school (10-12).

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DungholeTramp t1_j75gfmg wrote

Wow. I’ve never ever heard of high school not being 4 years.

I had K-6 Elementary , 7-8 Middle, 9-12 High growing up in Maryland in the 80s/90s.

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corLeon1s t1_j74rxvp wrote

Sadly I don’t think it’s just millennials

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ScoobyDoobyDidnt t1_j76hhqg wrote

I hope you’re okay. I hope those fucks saw justice but more so I hope that you’re alright. You matter. They don’t.

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Mental_Medium3988 t1_j75fsc6 wrote

I imagine it was worse for older generations where there was less ability to report and reasons for people to believe the child.

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extraducksauce t1_j78b07u wrote

^ yes lol let’s not get carried away and say millennials had it worse cuz we certainly did not

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Agitated_Accountant6 t1_j75rdsc wrote

I feel like it’s important to mention that this problem seems to be substantially worse in the US than where I’m from. There have been vases of this, but not on this level as far as I know.. And this probably does relate as someone else mentioned to the fact that Team US is basically a business and not a government run organisation.

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Neither-Cup564 t1_j75uy8b wrote

“Oh he’s a little creepy and there’s some allegations but look how good the team is performing now which means more funding which means we keep our jobs so how about we cover this up”

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ogo_pogo t1_j73zxrx wrote

How is this not top priority in our government?

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Convergecult15 t1_j76q0db wrote

Because it’s not a government agency, it’s a private non profit.

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seattlesportsguy t1_j776iz8 wrote

Because spending untold amounts of time and effort in to crafting bills and policies designed specifically to piss off your political rivals is so much more fun I guess.

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heyyyng t1_j74d9r2 wrote

Why am I not surprised?

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blacklab t1_j76qzwq wrote

Oregon track? Wtf is that all about? Remove it

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kubotalover t1_j778i3b wrote

Where were the parents of these kids. No way am I letting my 15 year old wonder the world alone with 40 yr old dudes

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marigolds6 t1_j77fsj9 wrote

Most federations won’t pay for parents to travel with athletes. If they can’t afford it, then that puts them in the position of denying their kids the opportunities to compete internationally or else letting their children travel in their own.

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kubotalover t1_j77mpi8 wrote

Not all opportunities are good opportunities.

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MurdiffJ t1_j77ng23 wrote

For some it’s their only path to college…

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Ok-Ease7090 t1_j762ri7 wrote

I mean, if you can’t trust young, male, adrenaline junkies to behave themselves who can you trust?

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michaelkbecker t1_j781wxw wrote

Serious question please don’t down vote kill me. When these crimes happened so long ago how are they proven? What I mean is the accused in the article now have their names and reputations ruined despite what evidence there is. How are these situations handled?

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-Khlerik- t1_j76z0nl wrote

Excellent addition to the conversation

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rytram99 t1_j77qqw8 wrote

This is why the internet is toxic. We should reserve judgment for when the fact-finding is done and a proper investigation has been completed.

At this point, they are just allegations. Justice is not judging or condemning someone before their guilt can be proven. This is why we have law, to prevent mob rule where the only thing necessary is an allegation that stirs the emotions of the masses. In this age, anyone can say anything and they can even get friends to support those claims. It happens all the time, even at the very top. in fact, it is one of the strongest political tactics that is often used to remove troublesome people from the equation. Because it requires no proof, once the allegations are made the damage is already done.

I am not saying he didn't do it, and I am certainly not saying he did. I am saying we need to leave the judgment to the law. then we can make our judgments when it is done.

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Valzar1954 t1_j76syyp wrote

I struggle with these crafted accusations. I believe that the coach inappropriately attempted to establish a relationship with an athlete who was not a minor. Bad if proven and he should be chucked from the sport. It won’t pass muster even in the most left leaning criminal court.

The reset of the accusations like the trafficking and accusation of Sexual Assault by some European coach years ago sounds like the type of offences a lawyer would propose hoping that one of them would stick.

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ManReay t1_j74os2v wrote

Smash the patriarchy

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