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BrokenEye3 t1_iz30oxh wrote
>January 5th (Three Kings Day)
Also known as the 12th Night. You know, like from Shakespeare.
BrokenEye3 t1_iz314np wrote
That sounds exhausting.
yoniyum t1_iz31d0k wrote
I think so, too! I've never understood the folks who are go-go-go and thrive on all that celebrating and socializing. I'm sure they don't understand why I sit at home so much, haha.
RainbowEmpire t1_iz32ifr wrote
I will only support this much celebration if we get them as paid holidays. I would celebrate the shit out of it.
bk15dcx t1_iz32qme wrote
Then there's more stuff after Easter. The feast of something or other, then that runs another month. I forgot all that stuff but it was ridiculous
sloppyredditor t1_iz32tct wrote
“…and what am I supposed to do with a PARTRIDGE, Todd?”
“I don’t KNOW, Margo!”
dishonourableaccount t1_iz32w7m wrote
This is my gripe with the current commercialized Christmas season. Not for religious reasons or anything, but I never felt Christmassy until I was actually on vacation from school or off work, usually a couple days before Christmas. That's when I'd want to spend time with family, listen to music, and all that.
But nope, at December 26 at midnight all the radio stations that have been blaring holiday music since mid November go back to pop music. And the commercial calendar pushes New Year's Eve on us immediately.
I would love to see that shift back to celebrating a big holiday break.
MonkeyPolice t1_iz32zsl wrote
I bet you can find everything on Amazon.
bk15dcx t1_iz330fw wrote
Seriously. Thanksgiving, then pearl harbor day, the Christmas and new year, then MLK day, then Superbowl, then Valentine's day, then president's day, then st. Patrick's day... You can't go more than 2 weeks without getting totally plastered
logic_is_a_fraud t1_iz330kd wrote
TIL Jan 6 is the 13th day of Christmas.
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HauntedHippie OP t1_iz33hbd wrote
I never understood why they crammed it all into one half of the year. And then it's just... Ordinary Time.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz34wvi wrote
Glad you know this now and that you told others - the advertisers claimed it for consumerism and now most people think its before.
Christmas is a SEASON - it lasts 12 days.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz34zbi wrote
actually its really fun
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz3526x wrote
Pentecost - 50 days.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz354a3 wrote
sadly, no one knows him anymore
bk15dcx t1_iz358il wrote
Ah yes.
Penta = 50
Cost = time
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz35ale wrote
Its MARKETING - if people realized that they could pay sale prices and give gifts on any of the 12 days, things would change again
MrOopiseDaisy t1_iz35cuw wrote
There's a bloke trying to court his "true love" with 140 birds from his father's aviary. 140 packed into the first seven days. And nobody bats an eye about the "9 ladies dancing".
HauntedHippie OP t1_iz35tqa wrote
Tbh, this is kinda how I stumbled upon the title fact.. I was trying to figure out who tf wrote this song and was their true love an ornithologist?
hasu424 t1_iz36bum wrote
Yup. Tried to explain this to my boss years ago, when she said she takes down her tree on Dec. 26 every year "because Christmas is over". She kept arguing with me. I said, "you know my Dad's an ordained Episcopalian minister, right?" I am not religious but won't take my tree down until Epiphany.
My old boss' head would have exploded if I told her that Jesus was actually born in the spring, and both the Dec date and Christmas trees were appropriated from Paganism.
Van_GOOOOOUGH t1_iz38vih wrote
Because winter time can be so dreary and depressing so they put a bunch of festive little holidays in there to keep us busy. We don't need festive holidays when the weather is pleasant and we can play outside in the sunshine.
Talasea t1_iz396uw wrote
This. This exactly.
MrOopiseDaisy t1_iz39dvn wrote
It makes sense when you consider the time period. His family was rich, and they were throwing a Christmas Ball. So many birds ready for the dinner.
HunterGonzo t1_iz3cfms wrote
What are the "Twelve Days of Christmas"? Cause, figure it out, right? Christmas is when? Um, the twenty-fifth... Right. And, what's the twenty-fourth...Christmas Eve, right? So... That's two That's two. And, then what's after that? (pause) Boxing Day Wrestling Day Wrestl.. get out! Boxing Day, yeah, yeah That's three. Then, what's after that? Nothin'! New Year's! Four. And what's... New Year's Eve? That's five. Where do ya get twelve? Uh, there's two Saturdays and Sundays in there; that's four. So, that's nine. And three other days which, I believe, are the "mystery" days
Edit: Ok, not many Bob & Doug McKenzie fans. My bad. Also terrible mobile formatting.
Anyway, this is from the Bob & Doug 12 Days of Christmas which is seriously hilarious and worth a listen if you have a chance (or watch in the case of this cartoon)
mrocks301 t1_iz3dkzh wrote
God bless America
critfist t1_iz3dnes wrote
Probably a welcome break when most of your life in the past was brutality and back breaking labour.
rhys_s_pcs t1_iz3ipmg wrote
All that then factor in my Orthodox husband and we’re celebrating some of those holidays twice! LOL
hendukush t1_iz3j0zq wrote
It’s fun having your own calendar!
herp_von_derp t1_iz3jerx wrote
If you really want to upset her, tell her about how it was traditional to leave Christmas decorations up until Candlemas (February 2). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlemas
CryptoCentric t1_iz3jjxz wrote
January 6 was definitely an epiphany in the US.
I'll see myself out.
momentimori t1_iz3joal wrote
5th January is 12th night.
It is bad luck to have your christmas tree up beyond 12th night.
BrokenEye3 t1_iz3jppy wrote
I don't think they got holidays off back then. Certainly not 4-5 straight months of holidays off.
dont_worry_im_here t1_iz3m5l4 wrote
January 6th was definitely an epiphany...
BrokenEye3 t1_iz3ovgt wrote
I'm someone, aren't I?
1000Hells1GiftShop t1_iz3ozzy wrote
Why would you share this?
We don't need to give anyone any excuses to expand Christmas any more. It's already like two full months. It needs to stop on New Year's Eve.
BobBelcher2021 t1_iz3qic2 wrote
I always thought the 12 days were Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day, 2 Saturdays and 2 Sundays, and 3 mystery days.
(That’s from Bob & Doug Mackenzie)
KillerApeTheory t1_iz3qneg wrote
My mum’s family is very Catholic and growing up they would get the tree Christmas Eve and have it up until three kings day.
KillerApeTheory t1_iz3qo1i wrote
My mum’s family is very Catholic and growing up they would get the tree Christmas Eve and have it up until three kings day.
theajharrison t1_iz3qrbs wrote
I mean, clearly the upvotes disagree with this pretentious comment.
TheyCallMeSuperChunk t1_iz3rzma wrote
> when the weather is pleasant and we can play outside in the sunshine.
Or, you know, work the land
Olneyville t1_iz3yytk wrote
Three Kings day, also known as the Epiphany, is actually January 6. In Latinamerica, you get your gifts from the Three Kings instead of Santa, the morning of January 6.
danteheehaw t1_iz40g4z wrote
danteheehaw t1_iz40siv wrote
July 2023 people cower in their hastily dug bunkers, families huddled together whispering what may be their final words. When suddenly they hear it, "ALLL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOU!". They know it is over. Christmas has won. The new world order will purge all other seasons. Life is now about working in a factory for a wealthy man, so he can give his peasants a single gift a year to remind them of their place.
egregiouscodswallop t1_iz42i87 wrote
Tell this to stores that hit the Green and Red in October!
usrevenge t1_iz43ixk wrote
Iirc in peasant times all these were paid holidays basically.
The average person who works 40 hours a week works significantly more hours a year than they would have as a peasant.
[deleted] t1_iz449cq wrote
Source?
chochetecohete t1_iz48ji0 wrote
3 kings day is the 6th January
CryptidGrimnoir t1_iz49pb2 wrote
And by comparison, it's forty hours in an office as opposed to x number of hours working backbreaking labor on a farm, for crops they had to give to their fiefdom.
Lileowastaken t1_iz4cu48 wrote
For some reason I thought it was from the 21st of December (Winter Solstice) to the 1st of January (New years day). It makes more sense to me that way at least.
worthrone11160606 t1_iz4etgz wrote
That is absolutely not true though.
MrBobaFett t1_iz4i7aa wrote
It blows my mind that so many people don't know this, especially other Christians. But Christmas is such a big holiday, how do people miss this? It's Advent, then Christmastide, then Epiphany.
wishinghearts40 t1_iz4lf0o wrote
Wow did you come up with all that all by yourself?
wishinghearts40 t1_iz4lhv0 wrote
Ignorhymus t1_iz4nk5r wrote
I was about to say Whitsun (only know it because we get a holiday here), but apparently that's the same as Pentecost. Though that does lead into another 7 days of whitsuntide
Medic7002 t1_iz4nob4 wrote
Im not Christian and wasn’t raised that way. No way of knowing this until TIL. Not big into esoteric religious rules that force themselves on society either.
MrBobaFett t1_iz4nuwu wrote
Esoteric religious rules that force themselves on society? Wut?
ThisZoMBie t1_iz4o0q9 wrote
Lmao what’s this copium?
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4o41v wrote
That is primarily a British colloquialism - recognized as another term for Pentecost
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4opap wrote
rough night?
NinjaCarcajou t1_iz4q4wr wrote
In Québec we play a lot of traditional music between Christmas Day and New Year which prolongs the festive ambiance.
idleline t1_iz4s22i wrote
It’s not uncommon for boys born on this day to be named Reyes.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4s6n4 wrote
YES, you are - I stand corrected. I overgeneralized. I am sorry.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4secj wrote
Joyeux Noel
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4sh40 wrote
Now I want a partridge
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz4sz7w wrote
I don't see my response, so will post again - YES, you count and I am sorry. I am just an old, disappointed English major who had life changing epiphanies while studying Bill the Bard.
Override9636 t1_iz4xiuz wrote
What 3 kings are referenced for the holiday?
NinjaCarcajou t1_iz4y3vw wrote
Merci, Joyeux Noël à toi aussi!
unusedusername3 t1_iz4yjzx wrote
The ones from the Christian bible that bring Jesus gifts.
SRDeed t1_iz4yuzn wrote
>I am not religious but won't take my tree down until Epiphany.
this is pretty religious
atwork_sfw t1_iz50h2t wrote
I heard 'Feliz Navidad' the third week of August in a Walmart. We're already there.
Spram2 t1_iz51goy wrote
What else are you going to do during winter? work? on the fields? There's too much snow!
babyaccountforbabies t1_iz51grw wrote
3 Kings Day aka Epiphany is January 6th, not 5th. Just FYI!
gerran t1_iz51tpe wrote
This is because Jan 6 was the original date for Christmas. The Armenian Church still observes Christmas on Jan 6.
Why did Christmas move to Dec 25?
> The main reason, however, seems to be as follows: the 25th of December, in the Roman Empire, was a great feast date connected with the “Birth of the Sun” known “Saturnalia,” since just after the Winter Solstice, the days having reached their shortest limit, begin to grow longer and longer. Because of the promise on that day (25th of December) of longer days to follow, there were great rejoicings. So the Church thought to prevent the faithful from attending the “abominable” celebrations of this very popular pagan festival on that particular date.
Spram2 t1_iz5257k wrote
Melchior, Balthazar and... uh, Magus?
eairy t1_iz52ciz wrote
Yeah it's weird how the 'festival' of Christmas has somehow been reversed.
Spram2 t1_iz52fss wrote
Protestant vs. Catholic work ethic.
Protestant: Worry and prepare for Christmas and once it done, phew! It's finished, put the decorations in the box.
Catholic: Christmas is here! Let's get drunk for the next.. 2 months!
gerran t1_iz52ire wrote
You are correct. However, back then, they used what is called the Julian calendar, which doesn’t account for leap years. The winter solstice on that calendar back then fell on Dec 25.
Spram2 t1_iz52rsg wrote
I left my Christmas tree until May last time because I was to tired/depressed to take it down.
dreadedgrin t1_iz52usc wrote
👀 you gonna eat those pears?
InappropriateTA t1_iz52xrh wrote
I mean, it literally says “on the first day of Christmas.” Christmas doesn’t start until Christmas…
kmo9e t1_iz52y4j wrote
Citation needed.
LittleGreenSoldier t1_iz53ynv wrote
From a farming family here.
There's really only two periods per year where the work is that hard, even pre-industrial, and that's plowing and harvesting. Each is a sort of two week crunch time. The rest of the year is actually pretty chill, you get into a routine.
Bekiala t1_iz55d15 wrote
Yes. Advent is a big deal for a lot of Catholics. In my family we put the tree up Christmas eve and took it down on the Epiphany.
Times sure have changed around the Christian seasons. This is natural as far as I can tell. Christmas day used to be Saturnalia before the Romans became Christian so Jesus wasn't really the "Reason for the Season".
TheConqueror74 t1_iz56lwj wrote
They did, but the nature of work was different than it is now. There’s a reason why the fall and winter are so dense with holidays and you don’t see nearly as many during the warmer months.
vonvoltage t1_iz56mu7 wrote
I find it wild that people don't know this.
hasu424 t1_iz56rl3 wrote
I can see how it could appear that way from a certain perspective. The tree thing is a long-ingrained habit. I don't pray, don't go to church, and think most religions are a crock. When you grew up an active member of the church, that = "not religious".
Tweegyjambo t1_iz57v8o wrote
I'm not Christian but when the fuck else would it start other than Christmas day?!
PuckSR t1_iz5cbud wrote
Which, fun fact, there is some questionable evidence that we have classically misunderstood the story that they "followed a star". Rather, it seems to be a reference to astrology. There has been an argument that roughly around the time of Jesus, there were some astrological alignments that could have been interpreted as "a new Judean King has come", which would seem to justify this idea. Also, it never says "3 wise men", the number just got added at some point.
Finally, the entire story of Jesus' birth is a bit convoluted in the bible. The story says that they were attending the census of Quirinus(a Roman ruler of Judea), but then says that they had to flee the murderous zeal of King Herod. Unfortunately, King Herod was long gone when Quirinus was put in charge of the area. The Quirinus census was a real event known from other historical documents, but it occurred specifically because the area had transitioned from a vassal state(where Herod was allowed to be king) to a Roman governorship. The Romans would allow vassal states to simply pay them, but if the Romans were running the area they wanted good records and therefore required a census.
tl;dr: The authors of the biblical narrative of Jesus' birth seemed to have thrown in a lot of popular events in a haphazard order.
seems_fishy t1_iz5ezkm wrote
It's no longer profitable to advertise Christmas after Christmas. They gotta make that quick switch to New Years before it's too late.
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz5htqh wrote
At least in Europe, they were mostly Christian with towns built around the church - so what the church did, they did. Not exactly a day "off" as we know it - most folks knew each other and the work they performed. But they did go to Mass and the after party
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz5icjk wrote
Balthasar, Gaspar and Melchior...likely Arabs/Egyptions/Africans - not "kings" but maybe necromancers or seers - in the Persian Zoroastrian faith or perhaps a nature-based religion.
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willie_caine t1_iz5j5kb wrote
I hope you're doing better. Sincerely.
Sintarus t1_iz5m9k7 wrote
Except for everyone who works a physical job, who: checks notes is a shit ton of people.
hobbykitjr t1_iz5q1io wrote
12 of them actually, new one each day!
hobbykitjr t1_iz5q6e4 wrote
depends on the country, epiphany starts on the 6th
Cayke_Cooky t1_iz5sn8m wrote
I hope you are doing better. But if you enjoy leave it up.
Cayke_Cooky t1_iz5sye8 wrote
I do the same. My Grandparents were very Catholic, the great part about the 12 days is that our family never had the fights about whose side we were going to on Xmas day. Just show up at theirs anytime in those 12 days and they were happy.
Cayke_Cooky t1_iz5t6rs wrote
Hence the "new years gifts" you read about in Tudor history. makes sense.
314R8 t1_iz62euj wrote
This article is wrong. The twelve days in the song are the twelve days starting with Christmas Day to the day before Epiphany (5 January)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(holiday)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Days_of_Christmas_(song)
Sorry on mobile and weak link game
Superstickman87 t1_iz62sgx wrote
My family has always celebrated the 12 days. It makes for a much more enjoyable experience in my opinion
314R8 t1_iz634es wrote
Magi was as term used to describe Persian Zoroastrian faith leaders who studied astrology.
MTKintsugi t1_iz6617c wrote
Epiphany is January 6.
MTKintsugi t1_iz664s4 wrote
Advent isn’t a part of the 12 Days of Christmas.
MTKintsugi t1_iz66cac wrote
Armenia and Eastern Europe go by the Julian calendar, which is 12 days behind the Gregorian Calendar which is what most of the western world goes by.
MTKintsugi t1_iz66i7m wrote
The 12th Day of Christmas is a January 5 and Epiphany is January 6.
JoshSidekick t1_iz67izq wrote
We three kings of orient are...
Trying to light an exploding cigar...
BOOM!
We two kings of orient are...
Bekiala t1_iz67pvv wrote
Right but most people are already celebrating Christmas during Advent which is the 4 weeks before Christmas . . . . you probably know this. Some us don't start Christmas until the 25th.
wistfulmaiden t1_iz6ahma wrote
Of course
mgdraft t1_iz6b2to wrote
On a tangential note, the tiktok translating le ziguezon to English is some of the funniest shit I've ever seen, ngl.
asphalt_incline t1_iz6ci1f wrote
Guilty on the mid-November, but I scheduled our station's Christmas clocks out to December 31.
314R8 t1_iz6faq7 wrote
Yes. The 12 days end on Jan 5, the day before Epiphany which is Jan 6
Jumpy-Win5810 t1_iz6fpu6 wrote
It's very true. Peasants had lots of time off. They used this time to complete tasks that we don't have today. Mostly, they went out gathering natural materials needed to produce household items/foods/medicine.
Jumpy-Win5810 t1_iz6fsy3 wrote
Jumpy-Win5810 t1_iz6g6qj wrote
People thinking that peasants lived lives of brutal back breaking labor is perhaps on the most common misperceptions I can think of. I was guilty of it myself until I learned that premodern peasants actually had much more time off than modern peasants.
jizzlevania t1_iz6ghvd wrote
Three Kings Day also marks when I can legally set your house on fire if your christmas decorations are still up.
NinjaCarcajou t1_iz6h4ny wrote
Hahaa yeah I saw that. It doesn’t really make more sense in French to be honest.
Crayshack t1_iz6i559 wrote
Not everyone celebrates Christmas. I'm not Christian, so I've only vaguely heard the term "12 Days of Christmas" and "Advent" before. Never with enough context for me to know anything about it other than them vaguely being associated with Christmas I've never heard the term "Christmastide" before your comment and the term "Epiphany" just sort of vaguely means "having a sudden idea". I've never heard it used in a religious context before.
worthrone11160606 t1_iz6kfdo wrote
They did not have lots of time off. If by time off you mean getting the field ready for the next harvest, hunting for food, war and famine and all that other stuff fhan yeah they had time off
CryptidGrimnoir t1_iz6lxih wrote
That sounds like work.
enormuschwanzstucker t1_iz6lxhf wrote
That’s why I keep my tree up til the 6th.
MrBobaFett t1_iz6mssz wrote
>Not everyone celebrates Christmas.
Thus "especially other Christians." I mean it's also a major religion so... I'm not Muslim, Jewish, or Hindu, but I'm aware of their major holidays and tenets.
Advent comes from Latin for arrival, it's the season of preparation for the arrival of Christ.
Tide is a suffix that means time of or season of used for many holy festivals, thus Yuletide, Christmastide, Eastertide, Epiphanytide, etc. Christmastide is Dec 25th-Jan 5th.
Epiphany (also called Three Kings Day) comes from Greek to reveal or to appear. This holiday commemorates the arrival of the Three Magi or in the Eastern Church the bastism of Jesus. Either way, the revealing of the Christ to the world. Epiphanytide then runs to Feb 2nd, ending with Candlemas.
herbw t1_iz6o0sf wrote
Considering that Xmas is in winter, and that NO shepherds take their sheep out in the depths of winter, the whole thing is beyond mad.
Summers, yes. Later summer, possible.
Same with Easter, both of them solar celebrations. X-mas, winter solstice, shortest day of winter, there abouts.
Easter, equinox, and figured on a Paschal, lunar month calendar? More BS. Summer within a month of so, likely. Guess they didn't know that, either so Easter moves around.
Next stars do NOT come to rest over a village, much less a larger city. The whole of the stars, as the earth turns on axis, moves from West to East in a regular way.
Thus if it was over Bethlehem, it would soon NOT be a few hours later. NO stars EVER come to rest, as the earth is in constant motion on its axis and on its elliptical orbit about the sun.
The whole pagan dating of Easter and Xmas are made to pre-empt the older pagan dating systems. The priests rewrote it. Since most of Jeshua's disciples knew him and his family, is it likely there were ignorant of his birthday?
No. but where is that stated in Matt, Mark, Luc and John? EREWHON. and you think that it's not funny?
So Satan took Jeshua up on the highest Mtn. one earth, where they could see all the kingdoms or earth.
Yeah, right. Pliny knew the earth was round. highest mtn. meant needing O2 breathers and very, very warm clothing And how did they get up here, quantum teleportation?
No matter how high we go up, we cannot, on a round earth, see over the horizon. NOR all the kingdoms of the earth.
so, get real, come back to reality and adjust your Holy books before you get in worse trouble, than it took the Holy SEE to apologize to Galileo, 400 years.!!
herbw t1_iz6pdxc wrote
Xmas trees are not in X-tian Bible. They are ancient Anglo-Saxon, Deutsch pagan customs, taken into X-tianity. Must like the maya today celebrate their Mayan pagan beliefs in Churches. and parades. Today!!
herbw t1_iz6qcwz wrote
Ah, yes the next load of pagan myths. The 3 wise men. Not to be mistaken for stupid, foolish idiots, who went around lookin for stars in the sky that did not move at all!!!
And the old incenses. Gold, and Myrrh. Again pagan. And where did they get those names? Casper, not the friendly ghost, Balthazar and the other one, Melchior.
So we do a study of those names and it gets all the worse.
The info crimes committed in the name of Politics and religions.
herbw t1_iz6qha6 wrote
Happy don't mean smart.
herbw t1_iz6qml7 wrote
Myth is not knowledge. It's belief not founded upon carefully confirmed events.
herbw t1_iz6qpbj wrote
Yeah, we used to do the posada, too.
herbw t1_iz6qskh wrote
well in some nations, Dec 5 is Xmas. Funny how that day could wander around....
herbw t1_iz6r2ll wrote
X-mas Eventide when Jeshua ben Ioseph was born by tradition, not facts.
herbw t1_iz6rdjv wrote
In UK/CW presents come on Boxing day. And that's not a sport, either.
herbw t1_iz6rkv4 wrote
Anotehr tie in to the pagans. Clearly, Zoroastrians worshipped the sun. Likely source for Easter and Xmas.
herbw t1_iz6ruqx wrote
Casper, the friendly ghost, er magi.
Dr_Edge_ATX t1_iz6rxq9 wrote
Sounds like a nightmare.
herbw t1_iz6t8ez wrote
Nothing ever fits very well at all. Nope censuses were not recorded in historical Roman records, or are not now existing records.
Herodian myth was yet another bit of "improving the tale" to make ti conform to a peculiar, not well accepted bit of OT mythologies.
However, Pontius Pilatus condemned Jeshua. And there is NO source at all, including for the above "census" which is likely a bad translation, too.
However in the last 20 yrs .an engraved in marble stone was round No. of Israel. Pontius Pilatus on it. Provenance and time good. So He did exist. perhaps a gov of something. Bit proof that some of the tale was true, however.
Many try to interpret myths in terms of other myths, and that's just Double Trouble, in critical thinking.
Jeshua was 2 when they fled. That had to be a warm time, too. Thus gutting the shepherd tale, again. doesn't sayu when he came back, but as he studied in Yeshive to be a rabbi, had to before age 12. yet again, HUGE miss.
herbw t1_iz6tz4r wrote
"Mystery days" is the most honest of the lot!!
12 days only proved they could not count!! 12 is an even dozen, used because 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 1 1/2 of 8. Easier to fractionize, like 60 secs, 60 mins., and same in secs. minutes, degrees.
PuckSR t1_iz6u3m7 wrote
We literally have his tombstone which records the census chief
herbw t1_iz6u4hq wrote
Yeah it gets so dried out, it Ketches Far and burns yer haus down.
herbw t1_iz6u83h wrote
Speakin of Mary Magdalen, the tart, are we?
bolanrox t1_iz6ugug wrote
or Allan Sherman
PuckSR t1_iz6uha3 wrote
And we know of Pilate through numerous Jewish historians. They hated him. Apparently he was a real tool
herbw t1_iz6ulng wrote
gotta sort the wheat from the chaff. some is just plain myth, some nonsense, like the Jeshua on the Mtn. with Satan, and others. Star stoppin was too. Magi, the same. Myth to fool the idiots. If yer could believe the earth stopped rotating for a singe star, then yer'd believe anything them silly priests told yer.
herbw t1_iz6uw01 wrote
Yer have a rich fantasy life. Now start takin yer meds again and don't miss appointments...
herbw t1_iz6vlbf wrote
6 plus 31 days in Dec. is 37. Minus 12 is 25 Dec.
But on a leap year it's 1 day later, every 4 yrs. Except years ending as 2000, when it's leap year. So Xmas, slowly precesses 1 day every 400 thru the constellations. So eventually Xmas and winter will not be when Orion is in the sky. Peculiar.
Bekiala t1_iz6w6wz wrote
Oh wow. I've heard the word but I don't know about this. What country or culture does this take place in?
taqeladragn t1_iz6wfxx wrote
Take that hanakuh, we get 12 days
herbw t1_iz6wggz wrote
We always celebrated mass on Jesus Christos Mass.
herbw t1_iz6wm2r wrote
Gut Yul!!!
herbw t1_iz6wv3v wrote
That always made Shirley Jones upset when they had a Partridge in a pear Tree. Once it was HER turn.
herbw t1_iz6x039 wrote
Rather a Full fridge, than a Partridge.
herbw t1_iz6x3e0 wrote
Do the math and show her. Or maybe she likes to work on holidays...
herbw t1_iz6x7km wrote
mardi gras is carnival time.
herbw t1_iz6xcfx wrote
That explains it in Hawaii and Corpus Christi, sure.
herbw t1_iz6xh4l wrote
Try moving to UK. Lots easier there.
justlurkingdnd t1_iz73wph wrote
Useless information. For me, it can be forgotten into oblivion
Necrosis_KoC t1_iz78ie1 wrote
I'm thinking that Israel is a bit warmer in the Winter than a lot of other places, but I get what you're saying
Superstickman87 t1_iz7a6no wrote
Be miserable somewhere else
Sim_Escrevo t1_iz7gla7 wrote
FTS! The tree and all that is coming down January 1st!!
herbw t1_iz7klm3 wrote
Spanish. People do the posada, which means the walking about to homes for gifts related to X-mas. Sort of like all Hallows Ever , but for Natividad.
herbw t1_iz7l66j wrote
sorry for the times of ca. bc 10 to bout AD 10 there is NO list of
quirinius, nor Pontius pilate, that I can see.
Bekiala t1_iz7la5x wrote
Yeah I knew it was Spanish.
I was in Puerto Rico one advent and Christmas. I don't remember a Posada but I remember how big a deal Three Kings day was.
herbw t1_iz7m1f6 wrote
Those, sadly are all estimates but not dates known.
Quirinius I see no dates for him either. Pontius pilatus nothing. do you have somethin less than an encyclopedic text which do NOT have the time for to go thru.
We do NOT have any dates from birth of Jeshua at all .Nor do we know Quirinius' because i refuse to go thru centuries of listings.
what is date of Quirinius, please? but far as I could tell, we have NO dates of the censuses, either, because we do NOT have maps for which places in Romans times those would be listed in. was it nazareth, or bethlehem? Those are not shown.
If you can cite specifics instead of encyclopediasl,then we can discuss it.
PuckSR t1_iz7n3mx wrote
I didn't cite an encyclopedia chief. I linked to the encyclopedia because it literally has the tombstone of a soldier who served under Quirinius during the census
PuckSR t1_iz7n5kc wrote
Did you see the picture of the big rock?
yoniyum t1_iz7o990 wrote
They’re not synonymous. Carnival is the season, Mardi Gras is the day.
herbw t1_iz7q6n3 wrote
So it varies year to year, culture to culture. Am only fam with NO and in Rio. Other than those, it's peripheral to important events.
herbw t1_iz7qakg wrote
Only the shots in movie, Disneyland orlando. Was all CGI, too.
herbw t1_iz7qeyk wrote
what page and year was that? please.
herbw t1_iz7qm55 wrote
each culture in Catholicism has variations.
yoniyum t1_iz7qmut wrote
In which cultures are they the same? (Sincerely asking because I want to learn…hence being in this sub.)
Bekiala t1_iz7s3lm wrote
Yes. I really enjoy going to mass in different cultures.
PuckSR t1_iz7szpg wrote
What page on the stone tablet?
PuckSR t1_iz7trvi wrote
Oh, you're a troll. That explains a lot
Bubba-ORiley t1_iz8r2bp wrote
It's like every day is a day
Bubba-ORiley t1_iz8s98e wrote
I knew him well
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz98d5e wrote
Yorick! You're back
Traditional-Meat-549 t1_iz9f1v1 wrote
if you consider, literally every religion is a "tie to the pagans"...its where we begin as a species here. People with intellect want to make meaning out of their existence.
canalrhymeswithanal t1_iz9yikr wrote
Then why the hell America need to enslave so many people? Should've just gone to a temp agency.
LittleGreenSoldier t1_iza20lr wrote
Cotton is a way more labour intensive crop. The bolls had to be picked by hand, and because they're mostly air they take up a huge volume, meaning more trips back and forth to empty your basket/sack/whatever. In addition to that, there was a MASSIVE upswing in demand for cotton because of the industrial revolution, and the mechanization of textile manufacturing. Suddenly machines could card, spin and weave cotton faster than a hundred people could. With that skyrocketing demand came the plantations, just like with sugar in the Caribbean; huge monoculture farms planting on an industrial scale. You can pay workers to do that, but buying a slave is an upfront cost equal to about a year's wages for a free worker, and you have that slave until they die. Buy a woman and you can make more slaves for no additional cost.
It's monstrous, but they considered it solely an economical decision.
canalrhymeswithanal t1_iza2fgv wrote
I should've added the /s tag, but also this was informative and I appreciate that.
herbw t1_izdxupb wrote
Mardi gras & Carnival are all part of the same celebrations in Catholic systems. No protestant churches celebrate mardi gras nor Carnival. What yer doing is saying that movement 1 of a symphony bears no relationships to the rest of the whole musical piece.
yoniyum t1_izetoh8 wrote
Yes, they are part of the same celebration. Carnival is the season, Mardi Gras is the day -- just like I already said.
herbw t1_izgti76 wrote
but not clearly, not as you just wrote.
yoniyum t1_izgw3is wrote
> Carnival, which leads to Mardi Gras
yoniyum t1_iz2y3qd wrote
And then January 6 is Epiphany, which begins Carnival, which leads to Mardi Gras then Ash Wednesday, which begins Lent, then Easter!