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NewCanadianMTurker t1_j9yew3d wrote

""Poland and Europe stand by your side. We will definitely not leave you, we will support Ukraine until complete victory over Russia," Morawiecki said during a visit to Kyiv, standing next to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.

Warsaw's commitment to its neighbour has been instrumental in persuading European allies to donate heavy weapons to Ukraine, including tanks, a move opposed by several governments, including Berlin, until recently."

Awesome! Way to go Poland!

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Witcher587 t1_j9yf011 wrote

Poland delivered first tanks literary few days after the war has begun.

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godamen t1_j9yg106 wrote

Yea, if anyone knows what it's like to get fucked over, again and again and again it's Poland. I know there are inherent political reasons this is in Poland's interest, but I also believe there is a deep sense of "When we fell to tyranny, no one came to help, we won't let that happen to you" in the national memory.

Edit: Fixed grammar insecurities I had in my comment.

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Throwawaybcfu420 t1_j9yqgdl wrote

You posted a picture of a tank with the iron cross in another comment and called it a Nazi symbol. The iron cross is not a Nazi symbol. If I was mistaken and you were referring to something else then please elaborate.

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tyrannicalOne t1_j9ys5k3 wrote

This guy sure seems to have a lot of affection for the Russian dictatorship and the head dick in charge. Just check out his comments on all the Ukraine vs Russia posts. I'd say "big" but we all know he has a littleman complex lmfao.

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tyrannicalOne t1_j9ytafx wrote

You are the one that claimed they were all nazis. I'm still waiting on any proof whatsoever. And then you claimed I support nazis. Still waiting on proof of that. Then resorted to calling me a cunt lmfao. So still no proof of anything you have said. And still just name calling and trying to divert from the actual facts of the matter.

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Throwawaybcfu420 t1_j9ytkiy wrote

The Balkenkreuz predates Nazi germany… it’s been adopted as a symbol of hate by neo Nazis, but they often put a swastika over it to get the point of hate across. By itself, it’s not a symbol of hate, nor was it created for the purpose of representing the Nazi party’s ideology.

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Throwawaybcfu420 t1_j9yvgnp wrote

https://fakenews.pl/en/politics/there-is-no-evidence-that-white-crosses-on-ukrainian-military-vehicles-are-associated-with-nazi-symbolism/

This link provides a lot of context i think you might appreciate. There are plenty of reasons why they have that symbol on their tanks. Jumping straight to labeling them as Nazis just stinks of propaganda. It’s up to us to wade through the misinformation and arm ourselves with context and facts.

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MrPapillon t1_j9ywbfg wrote

The soldier looks tiny next to the tank in that picture, funny perspective.

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Throwawaybcfu420 t1_j9yzpsq wrote

Or, now bare with me, you’re bending over backwards to push a narrative forward despite there not being enough evidence. We can go back and forth on this all day. Perhaps we should just call it a day?

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Throwawaybcfu420 t1_j9z0t4n wrote

Not an accident as it’s not a nazi symbol. Now if they had swastikas all over the place then I would agree with you. These aren’t Nazi symbols. They never were intended to be. You’re peddling propaganda to make Ukraine look bad. Let’s not forget which country decided to start this war (Russia) and how their actions bare striking similarities with Nazi germany’s play book.

Btw the cross already being on some of those tanks just encourages them to paint the rest so they can easily be identified in the battle field. Kinda like how russia is putting the Z on all theirs. It’s not because they’re pushing Nazi ideology. It’s because the symbol is already there, easy to get paint for and replicate, and distinguishes their forces from the enemy. If they really wanted to look like Nazis then why didn’t they just paint swastikas?

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El_muscely_beardo t1_j9zb3hx wrote

I would highly advise going to Poland. Warsaw is a beautiful city. So clean and safe with great infrastructure. I’m very biased because my girlfriend is Polish but all of the Poles I’ve known are really nice as well.

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NPCwithnopurpose t1_j9zdezu wrote

I don’t know why I’m imagining a couple.
“Happy Anniversary, honey! I got you some tanks!”

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Skydragonace t1_j9zfbwr wrote

Part of my family is Polish, and while I don't speak, read, or write in Polish, I can confirm that the culture is really interesting, and the food is amazing. My grandmother made polish food for us on every single holiday growing up, and it was so nice to have along side the usual fare.

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gribson t1_j9zgd1v wrote

Gorzalka!

Na zdrowie!

My mighty Polish tank!

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Zehb-Mansour t1_j9zi7hq wrote

Orban, perhaps not surprisingly, is behaving just like Trump when he’s dealing with potential litigation; delay, delay, delay, until Putin is standing in Kyiv’s Constitution Square.

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Jacc3 t1_j9zxc16 wrote

Other countries are also sending Leopards, but most will need at least a few more weeks before they are ready for transfer. Poland were the first to actually deliver (some of) theirs to Ukraine

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MarBoBabyBoy t1_j9zzxx7 wrote

> if anyone knows what it's like to get fucked over, again and again and again it's Poland

If you're referring to WW2, the Poles, along with their Western allies, fucked themselves more than anything.

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Tjaden_Dogebiscuit t1_ja02y2t wrote

I haven't been either and its high on my list.

If you go to Warsaw you should aim to be there August 1st. At 5pm the city goes still to honor all the Poles that took part in theWarsaw Uprising in 1944. There are videos of it and it's surreal.

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differing t1_ja08t0r wrote

So that’s 4 from Poland and 4 from Canada delivered, off to a good start! Apparently 14 from Germany and a few from Sweden will be arriving in the immediate future. Plus the massive shipment of Bradley and CV90 IFV’s- which are technically not main battle tanks, but have significant anti-armour capabilities against Russia’s ancient tank fleet.

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MartyKei t1_ja0g57m wrote

Your assumption is as logical and intelligent as your post history -- it seems you're not even capable of writing two sentences in consecutive order which leads me to the sad conclusion that your brain development must've stopped prematurely. Yikes.

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Maeglin75 t1_ja0ifim wrote

Germany plans to send the tanks until end of March. The crew training will also be completed until then.

I guess most of the Leo2s from the first batch are scheduled for that date. Hopefully at least enough to equid two full battalions. One with 2A6 (and similar versions) and one with 2A4.

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MarBoBabyBoy t1_ja0k0y7 wrote

Poland supported Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia and even took some Czech land for themselves after Germany invaded. Stalin offered Poland to allow Soviet troops into Poland in the event Germany invaded, as Hitler's foreign policy was obviously become more and more aggressive. The Poles flat out refused, even though Russia was the only real power that could come to Poland's aid if (and when) Germany invaded. Even Britain and France asked the Poles to allow Soviet troops in because they knew they couldn't do much if Germany invaded.

The Western allies screwed themselves because of their appeasement of Hitler. Stalin viewed the appeasement as the allies aligning with Germany to destroy Russia. Russia wasn't even invited to the Munich Agreement even though giving Hitler Czechoslovakia (Sudetenland) made it easier for Germany to invade Russia.

So after basically be shunned by their supposed "allies" Stalin did the next best thing and signed a non-aggression pact with Germany.

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Theseus-Paradox t1_ja0pdpn wrote

I mean, Russia can stop killing any time it wants to. Either be killed fighting for your freedom from Russia or die under Russian rule. Looks like the Ukrainian’s want their country to be their’s, NOT Russias…

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A_Soporific t1_ja0r34n wrote

That's dark, considering the history.

The Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth traditionally included western Ukraine with Lviv being a center of both Polish and Ukrainian identity for centuries and a major source of violence between the World Wars. But it was the Polish who ruled and the Ukrainians who were serfs. And when the Russians displaced the Polish nobility it led to a long period of violence.

It's good to see Poland and Ukraine finally getting along. The peoples had a frenemy thing going on for a long time. But it would have been quite toxic if they were a couple until recently.

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[deleted] t1_ja0s3t6 wrote

So Ukraine gets all these free “samples” of hardware huh. Those lucky ducks.

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Theseus-Paradox t1_ja0sqp4 wrote

I mean everything was fine and dandy until Russia attacked. If Russia stopped and went home, there would be 100% peace. Remember, Ukraine didn’t attack Russia, Russia attacked Ukraine and invaded them.

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loulouana t1_ja0tcv1 wrote

February 2022: russian tanks in Ukraine.

February 2023: Polish tanks in Ukraine.

But there’s a nuance…

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Theseus-Paradox t1_ja0vcp5 wrote

What I actually believe is Russia invaded because they never tried Lobster Boat’s Cheddar Bay Biscuits. By pushing west, they get closer to the delectable morsels and can satisfy their craving for them.

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T1mac t1_ja0w1oc wrote

> Bradley and CV90 IFV’s- which are technically not main battle tanks

Bradleys are meant to work in concert with the MBTs providing infantry coverage and the experts say that the Bradley “was purpose designed to counter [Russian BMPs]."

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Darth_drizzt_42 t1_ja0yr4i wrote

No kidding. If Poland could've directly intervened on Ukraine's behalf without starting a NATO grade shitshow, you know they would've been in the airspace on day 0. They've been giving off that "bro just lemme at him!" Energy

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Theseus-Paradox t1_ja15iju wrote

No I actually believe Russia has heard all the hype about Lobster Boat Cheddar Bay Biscuits and can’t fathom living in a society without them. Depriving their citizens from these delicious biscuits is clawing at them in ways that are unimaginable. It’s a serious problem they have, which is understandable as they are amazing.

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DamNamesTaken11 t1_ja174lf wrote

I’ve meet a few Polish people in my travels. Nice people (and great drinking buddies after the tour) but they hated Russia before this so I can’t imagine what they’re thinking now.

There’s a reason why after the missiles landed and killed the two farmers there were so many Polish Wojak Article 5 memes.

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IlluminatedPickle t1_ja1f41h wrote

Fuck me, you really are a tool.

Every war is settled at the negotiation table, when one side is pushed to the point of breaking.

Ukraine hasn't come close to breaking yet, why would they negotiate? They've got objectives to complete, and they're doing it.

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IlluminatedPickle t1_ja1fxmn wrote

> Very little is stopping you.

The AFU doesn't want volunteers with no combat experience. If Australia deploys troops, I'll have a chance to go. Without that, I have no ability to do so and still be able to return home either, because of the foreign fighter laws.

So yeah, there are things stopping me.

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IlluminatedPickle t1_ja1i1dx wrote

The AFU only wants combat experienced troops. The only way I'd be able to fight would be via joining a militia, which would run afoul of the foreign fighter laws.

It's like explaining why the sky is blue to a goddamned toddler.

E2A: https://www.perthilj.com/blog/the-legality-of-australians-fighting-in-foreign-conflicts > under s 119.1 of the Act, a person commits an offence if they enter into a foreign country with the intention of engaging in a hostile activity in that country or any other foreign country [14]. A person will also commit an offence if they engage in hostile activities in a foreign country [15]. However, liability under s 119.1 will not apply to an act done by a person “in the course of, and as part of, the person’s service in any capacity in or with ... the armed forces of the government of a foreign country”

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IlluminatedPickle t1_ja1jm70 wrote

> we are lucky enough in Australia to live in peace and stability.

We sure are. And that's why I think everyone deserves it, including my Ukrainian mates. I don't think my responsibility to humanity ends at the shores of my country.

Y'know, because I'm not a glorified cockstain like some.

Nice goal post shift though. Now that you've realised you made a tit of yourself.

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Spiritual_Zebra_251 t1_ja2544f wrote

Nobody is doing that! But internet is full of misimformation so we should all try to correct it and limit it. Especially when it is black and white like this case.

Also, Poland is a strong (I’d say politically the strongest) supporter of UA and not being “the first” with tanks is not important.

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Elephant789 t1_ja2m800 wrote

> (And your use of quotes was indeed appropriate)

I agree. I hate how reddit users use quotes nonchalantly to make up their hypothetical conversations which then confuses the reader into thinking that that was a real quote.

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freestyle43 t1_ja2u7u2 wrote

If it wasn't for NATO holding their leash, Poland would have immediately surged into Ukraine the day of the invasion. They want Russian blood in a bad way.

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dudefromthepast3 t1_ja36gqy wrote

> and even took some Czech land for themselves after Germany invaded

Hmm, i wonder what Czechoslovakia did when Poland was fighting soviet russia in 1919.

> The Poles flat out refused, even though Russia was the only real power that could come to Poland's aid

Tell me what Russia did, when Estonia, Latvia AND Lithuania allowed russian troops in 1940

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leauchamps t1_ja4p7ao wrote

It's official, the cats are amongst the chickens

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