All it takes is for a collapse of society, for that infrastructure to break down and the knowledge lost, for Mars and its life to be doomed. Mars isn't the safety net we want to believe it is.

You really believe Elon is going to be charging internet for cheap?

Get real. He'll price gouge people for everything they're worth once he can.

Because it's moving the goalposts? I value integrity, and watching someone try to wiggle out of what they said is dishonest.

"Accept injustice."

~You, quoting Ram Dass

It does help to explain a little of why the revolution of the United States was successful. They were organized, holding a clear goal in mind they more or less agreed on, didn't suffer traitors to live, and defeated their enemy squarely. Ruthless and efficient.

I understand there was much foreign aid involved, but that is another component of success, as well as having participants from nearly every strata of society, despite the majority population holding loyalist positions.

Yep, exactly. I'm also sure that wind turbines are the lesser evil compared to, let's say, a coal plant.

I can guarantee that a wind farm has a far less negative impact on the ecosystem than a coal plant. I'm sure there's studies that can corroborate my assertion, as well.

In the search for clean, sustainable energy, we need to remember that perfect is the enemy of good; but not to allow that mindset to have us become complacent, either. It's not possible for us to arrive at a point that is "good enough", we just have to strive for it anyway.

Except "because evolution" isn't the reason why people do things. Our genes actually don't care about civilization, either. They're molecular chains that don't care about anything. It's only happenstance that they happened to replicate.

Typically, the only people who got onboard with American colonization wanted to get rich, had nothing left to lose, were convicts so didn't have a choice, or were actively facing persecution back home.

Not really people one would want to pick for a generational ship.

And comparing colonization of the Americas to a generational ship is disingenuous. It was still possible for them to come back home. They even maintained allegiances and contact with the homeland. The reason colonization even kicked off after the initial successful colonies, was for economic exploitation; something that won't be possible with generational ships.

Sounds like he just developed a coping mechanism that ensured he'd never try and free himself, but be "content" in his bondage. This is dangerous to propagate, and favorable to oppressors the world over.

"The problem isn't the problem."

What the fuck is this bullshit?

So far, I like you. A voice of rationality in this thread.

Why? Why can't you simply be satisfied with living comfortably?

To spread unchecked throughout the galaxy, well, it will take time, but we will consume the galaxy. Quadrillions of humans in a dying galaxy fighting for scraps, until the last, usable materials, are exhausted. You would have an entire galaxy be sterilized.

We can't survive on Mars. Period.

Not unless we want to stay human. If we don't, then genetic modifications are the way to go; but there will then be two sapient species in the Sol system competing for resources.

This is why I'm afraid of space colonization without wisdom. We'll become as a swarm of locusts, devouring the universe.

Lots of folks in the comments can't accept a strong woman, smh

There's a reason toxic positivity is so hated.