Submitted by genericdude999 t3_z0yng3 in Futurology
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FuturologyBot t1_ix81chg wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/genericdude999:
> When looking for donors, the Ridgeways specifically asked the donation center about a category called “special consideration,” meaning it had been hard to find recipients for these embryos, for whatever reason.
> To pick their embryos, they went through a donor database. It did not list the how long embryos have been frozen, but it listed the donors’ characteristics like ethnicity, age, height, weight, genetic and health history, education, occupation, favorite movies and music. With some files, there are photos of the parents and of their children if they have them.
> The Ridgeways assumed those listed with earlier donor numbers had been at the center the longest and tried to narrow their choice to those profiles.
> The embryos were created for an anonymous married couple using in-vitro fertilization. The husband was in his early 50s, and they used a 34-year-old egg donor.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/z0yng3/parents_welcome_twins_from_embryos_frozen_30/ix7yikj/
BigFitMama t1_ix85rp5 wrote
More reason to bank your reproductive materials at a younger age. You could save future humanity or just give a nice couple a baby.
genericdude999 OP t1_ix86xlf wrote
My poor son or daughter, born on an embyro ship and doomed to live out their life in the steaming sulfur caves of Trappist-1d.
On a positive note, they brought a bunch of iPhone 1000s with them, so the social media scene on the ship is lit!
LordKeeper t1_ix8b38e wrote
Were they born with a taste for grunge music and high-waisted jeans?
RodrigoBarragan t1_ix8e2px wrote
Does this mean that at least some of the the baby parts are 30 years old?
QuesoFresco420 t1_ix8hev0 wrote
Sounds like a win to me. So this baby isn’t going to be riddled with the genetic mutations caused by the last 30 years of their parents living on our stressful planet?
A_Lizard_Named_Yo-Yo t1_ix8kend wrote
Damn, 30 years old, unemployed, and still living with their parents.
Pirate_Green_Beard t1_ix8lctd wrote
Yes, because what humanity needs is more humans.
BigFitMama t1_ix8mueb wrote
Think of them as "back up humans."
mmrrbbee t1_ix8n0l0 wrote
Only the first few cells, everything else was made on-site
josefx t1_ix8nfh0 wrote
You think so, but in reality neither Apples nor LetsEncrypt servers are reachable from Trappist-1d and all https certificates expired within months from takeoff. Future generations will forever wonder how advanced we must have been if even otherwise useless flashlights ended up that complex.
Pirate_Green_Beard t1_ix8nmbn wrote
We have 8 billion people. I think we can stop making backups for a while.
isleepinahammock t1_ix8nytq wrote
At first, I thought "good for them." Then after reading the article, damn. Fuck everything about this.
They "adopted" the embryo from the National Embryo Donation Center. This organization cares more about bigotry than they do about their own stated mission. They want to help "unborn children" and help couples who can't conceive have kids. But that only applies if you're a straight cisgender couple. Two men can't adopt an embryo to be used with a surrogate. A cisgender man married to a transgender woman aren't welcome.
In other words, they are explicitly discriminating against some of the demographics that could most readily "adopt" the embryos they have in storage. People who could offer good and loving homes, but just happen to not be straight and cisgender.
Helping unborn children is important, but bigotry comes first.
Fuck the lot of these assholes.
Plushhorizon t1_ix8onkj wrote
Hey you never know what the crazy world rulers might do. Might be a fallout 4 thing but with like 2000000 shauns
Tll6 t1_ix8p6do wrote
More humans aren’t going to save humanity when the current humans can’t get it together and help protect our planet
moogs_writes t1_ix8pizw wrote
They’re a Christian organization, not surprised. However, the fact they won’t involve themselves with surrogacy or people with a history of mental health issues isn’t controversial in and of itself. A trans woman can’t gestate an embryo, and these embryos are only adopted to couples who will be able to carry them themselves, and not just baby buyers who found creative uses for their wealth. Surrogacy is messy and complicated even somewhere like the us where it’s heavily regulated and only altruistic surrogacy is allowed.
isleepinahammock t1_ix8vmmc wrote
The surrogacy argument is a red herring. They also don't let lesbian couples adopt. They explicilty discriminate against people.
And don't let them co-opt the term "Christian." They're bigots that just happen to be Christian. There are plenty of churches flying pride flags.
And while surrogacy is legally complex, so is the entire thing they're doing. They're taking embryos from one couple and gestating them in another. The whole operation has to involve lawyers with experience in fertility law. Bringing LGBT people into the mix isn't anything more complex than what they're already doing.
They're bigots, pure and simple. They claim they want to help unborn children, and maybe they do. But for them, the absolute highest priority is bigotry. Everything else is secondary.
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Upstairs-Wheel-8995 t1_ix8w6vr wrote
You clearly failed biology… you need a uterus for this… ffs. Men don’t have that…
moogs_writes t1_ix8wkek wrote
For them, bigotry. For others, money. Baby factories are, in fact, messy and often unethical in all sorts of ways. I’m not going to pick and choose. This organization is wrong to refuse to allow gay couples to adopt on the basis of homophobia. Gay couples are wrong to exploit vulnerable women half the world over on the basis of it being cheaper to get a baby from them there.
Either way, I don’t lose sleep over people who can afford the money they give to baby factories, because it just perpetuates the problem. Gay, lesbian, white, cis or not.
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rex2k10 t1_ix8z9gm wrote
Gonna come out with a mullet
Fabulous-Ad6844 t1_ix904ez wrote
Plot twist baby ages super fast to get back on track to biological age of 30
genericdude999 OP t1_ix93gi8 wrote
Human embryos are pretty much tardigrades: Boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew. Should be fine.
¯\(ツ)/¯
source: /r/askashittydoctor
redosabe t1_ix94ihm wrote
interesting... thanks!
time to look up "wWhat are "tardigrades?" ..
jedibathrobes t1_ix9671q wrote
I don’t know about you, but I’m dead tired of eating food like a human. I personally can’t wait to consume only Blended Arthropod Cubes by Tyson-Nestle-Kraft Supercorporation, now with 8% more essential nutrients and 12% more slave labor! If it’s yum yum yummy, it must be Tyson-Nestle-Kraft Supercorporation!
tarrox1992 t1_ix96iz2 wrote
Lesbians are also prevented from “adopting.”
>Two men can't adopt an embryo to be used with a surrogate.
And that line addresses any relevant statement in your unnecessary comment.
jedibathrobes t1_ix96unb wrote
Blasphemer! Heretic! If our dear and loving patron, Mr. God had wanted those children to be loved they would already have parents
OneSidedDice t1_ix96yzc wrote
There was an SNL skit like this where a woman gives birth to a 30-year old man, and it's a shirtless Will Ferrell complaining about how hot it had been in there.
jedibathrobes t1_ix976h2 wrote
Imagine turning 21 and your parents are friggen 75 and are beginning to forget your name
tarrox1992 t1_ix97bzs wrote
It’s the speed of freezing that causes ice crystals to form that burst open cells. Single cells are a lot easier to freeze because they can be frozen slowly, which discourages ice crystal formation. Large tissues would need to be frozen quickly for theoretical hibernation/storing, because if only half your heart is frozen, then there are going to be problems. The rapid freezing is mostly what causes ice crystals and cellular damage.
BigFitMama t1_ix97mhh wrote
I say this as a warning - I found out I couldn't get pregnant around 27 and when I did want to get pregnant it was too late. People change. Pandemics happen. Wars happen. And there is a big fad of child-free people getting sterilized early. People change their minds. I'd hate to be subject to my choices at 20 when I am 40.
We have a World Seed Bank, why not a cryo-storage of human and animal embryos as back-up somewhere near the arctic circle?
redosabe t1_ix982nm wrote
very cool!
thanks!
Pirate_Green_Beard t1_ix9aale wrote
I prefer the food paste from AOL-Time Warner-Pepsico-Viacom-Halliburton-Skynet-Toyota-Trader Joe's
lolsborn t1_ix9arsk wrote
As someone who has both bio and adopted children don't be this person. It's a personal decision every time fuck what anyone else has to say about your choices for your family.
_Deathhound_ t1_ix9dmf1 wrote
Lead has entered the chat
rowinit t1_ix9g8wc wrote
On the one hand, I agree in principle, on the other hand my parents are 75 now and rather than forgetting my name they’re training for a week long bike ride next summer. People age differently.
Looseybussy t1_ix9hsyw wrote
“We thought we’d have as many as god decided to give us”
So zero. Zero babies. You used science otherwise.
Knull_Gorr t1_ix9i5kc wrote
They could also adopt or foster. Reduce, reduce, recycle but for humans.
becausefrog t1_ix9lbqd wrote
These aren't even childless people with fertility issues who couldn't have their own children. They actually already had 4 kids without any scientific intervention.
Funny how their god doesn't seem to want them to adopt any of the many already born children who need families though.
truemobius t1_ix9li7e wrote
It's the warner-pepsico-viacom franchise hoa communites have really gone down with the latest merger. The hoa used to actually provide decent food paste but with the scabs from halliburton-skynet it's just not worth it. I'm thinking of applying for citizenship to on the federated tesco-aldi-nordstrom.
coleosis1414 t1_ix9o0sy wrote
Not right NOW, but someday maybe
blockhose t1_ix9pfzo wrote
Instead of placenta, observers noted that the children were birthed with a Walkman.
irishtim1393 t1_ix9qfaz wrote
This is astounding, don’t get me wrong, but… why, in a world with an overburdened foster care system and so many children living on the streets, why did this couple go out of their way to give birth to 2 more children that weren’t even theirs?
TempusVincitOmnia t1_ix9qx33 wrote
This made me laugh a lot more than it should have.
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greyfir1211 t1_ix9vlip wrote
I understand this sentiment, but you can’t go into being a foster parent expecting to adopt a child straight away at all, sometimes it just never happens. A lot of children in foster care need a safe place while things get sorted out with their biological families. Then the vetting of foster families is not great so it’s horrifyingly typical for these kids to be put through traumatic situations in the foster system, all while being taken from your biological family is already traumatic and life-altering.
Disenfranchised and non white parents also seem way more likely to be targeted by CPS in the USA than other families. The entire system is incredibly corrupt. All that being said i still want to be a foster parent myself one day because of personal experiences, but it is NOT for everyone, it is a huge task to undertake.
greyfir1211 t1_ix9vsx8 wrote
This is what a lot of my relatives are like! Only just slowing down in their mid 80s.
irishtim1393 t1_ix9w3jl wrote
That’s a fair point. But with my admittedly limited understanding of this particular family, they are a white family that clearly has the resources to raise 6 children simultaneously. Why add to the number of children in the world if you have the resources to care for one that already is alive and in need? My good friend was in the foster care system, and it was horrific. I wouldn’t wish for anyone to have to go through that. It just makes me frustrated to see that they’re doing this.
greyfir1211 t1_ix9x9fq wrote
The fertility industry is definitely its own crazy ethical mess. :( I think you and me probably have a similar outlook on this. Making friends with kids who suffered in the system completely changed my outlook on life.
AwkwardPregame t1_ix9y60u wrote
Get a job, kiddo!
Creative_Sun_5393 t1_ixa25tz wrote
But people who have children are also subject to that choice 10, 20, 30 years down the line and not everyone is happy with their choice. No reason to single out childfree people as making a permanent decision they may not be happy with.
dmcfrog t1_ixa8a65 wrote
Used vs new.
Upstairs-Wheel-8995 t1_ixa91eh wrote
Go to a different place then. You act as if there’s only one in the entire world.
Upstairs-Wheel-8995 t1_ixa98z5 wrote
Deal with it. It’s viewed as a sin in their religion. Go somewhere else if you don’t like it.
hitbluntsandfliponce t1_ixa9n12 wrote
Brrap brrap pew pew
tomcatkb t1_ixaap8k wrote
Don’t forget to wash it down with some Brawndo! The thirst mutilator! It’s got electrolytes!
isleepinahammock t1_ixaaynq wrote
Of course, and part of that is informing others of their practices. You have a right to your own religious beliefs. You don't have a right to avoid the consequences of your actions.
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montanawana t1_ixacfgp wrote
After 4 bio children!
soedesh1 t1_ixadz2q wrote
Can’t we just get some soylent green? Yummmm.
Rrdro t1_ixag8c2 wrote
Reduce, reuse, recycle
Knull_Gorr t1_ixagq42 wrote
Well you see I was clearly making a meta joke by typoing reuse as a second reduce.
MathematicianLoud965 t1_ixahuff wrote
Yes these people did this for clout and to act all holy. It gives those of us with actual fertility issues a bad image and it is very upsetting this is being passed off in all the news outlets.
tarrox1992 t1_ixandsf wrote
You’re putting thoughts and words into my mouth and mind that aren’t mine.
I only refuted your comment, I apologize if that caused you any unnecessary exertion in moving your goalposts.
Rrdro t1_ixarj7e wrote
Wooosh sorry
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UbbaB3n t1_ixb4bwx wrote
Not even willing to do anything for themselves...
Aeromarine_eng t1_ixb6zb9 wrote
Frozen zoo for animal.
Odd_Calligrapher_407 t1_ixb8q34 wrote
Funny thing is the article says they were stored in liquid nitrogen which stops all processes. Not true. Cosmic rays will penetrate and slowly degrade their dna. Sme thing happens with cell lines. These kids should be closely monitored.
Odd_Calligrapher_407 t1_ixb8x22 wrote
Call me olde fashionede but it’s Soylent Green for me too!
StarChild413 t1_ixba1wo wrote
so how many kids should that couple have adopted or fostered instead and how hard would that make it for others to do so
StarChild413 t1_ixbad0v wrote
but the more they do the harder it is for others to do that moral thing
Enormoussky t1_ixbbs05 wrote
Kids gonna have Alzheimer's by the time he graduates college
irishtim1393 t1_ixbhxoy wrote
Not for anyone else to say, of course. But the point is, I’m surprised that some people nowadays are so dead set on having lots of kids.
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Sim_Escrevo t1_ixbxeyj wrote
Pitch that to netflix.
springlord t1_ixc3q5k wrote
Might however be riddled with issues tied to the natural decay of frozen DNA over 30 years. We don't have any data on such live experiments. They can - hopefully - be just fine, or suffer from yet unseen genetic diseases developing with age.
AFAIC I see no reason for a frozen piece of DNA to be healthier than one that has been naturally replicated with new material over and over, despite this occurring in a less than optimal environment.
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Tablesafety t1_ixcbpwo wrote
Wonder how the life begins at conception crowd would react to this one. Are the kids 30, or a few days?
TheW83 t1_ixcfmu8 wrote
They have their own social media intranet
Odd_Calligrapher_407 t1_ixcft8x wrote
Cosmic rays are a thing. DNA repair is stopped and the slow decay continues.
TheW83 t1_ixcg25m wrote
That's awesome! My mom is in her 70s and while she only rides a little, she does a ton of yoga and tai chi type of activities. I hope to be as active as she is when I'm that age.
kaminaowner2 t1_ixge4lm wrote
Humans have lived through worse lol they’ll get over it.
Spiritual-Hurry-6037 t1_ixm6lnq wrote
Does anyone find it disturbing that this couple knowingly used embryos that may be affected by ALS. One article states the biological father died from ALS. This couple stated they didn’t care if the embryos weren’t perfect which is fine but ALS is a serious diseases that causes a lot of suffering. So this couple may have brought to life two people who will suffer due to ALS. Just seems selfish and disturbing to knowingly roll the dice on something so serious.
Spiritual-Hurry-6037 t1_ixm7kgp wrote
Hopefully the children do not develop ALS but seems terribly irresponsible on the parents part to knowingly roll the dice like this
PerseveringJames t1_iy074fy wrote
As someone who believes life begins at conception, I'd believe these kids are 30, but they've had their physical and mental growth stunted. Something doesn't sit well with me - keeping live human beings trapped in solitary confinement for 30+ years in a test tube, waiting to be traded to the right people who will free them from the prison they don't know they are trapped in sounds like a modern version of "12 Years A Slave".
While I would love to see these kids grow up healthy, happy, loved, with long lives, and that infertility can become a thing of the past through these technological advances, I suspect these kids will have the same problems Dolly the sheep had, and end up degenerating by 40ish due to being frozen for 30 years. Time will tell.
Tablesafety t1_iy0a6df wrote
Thank you for the actual answer, it's very fascinating!
genericdude999 OP t1_ix7yikj wrote
> When looking for donors, the Ridgeways specifically asked the donation center about a category called “special consideration,” meaning it had been hard to find recipients for these embryos, for whatever reason.
> To pick their embryos, they went through a donor database. It did not list the how long embryos have been frozen, but it listed the donors’ characteristics like ethnicity, age, height, weight, genetic and health history, education, occupation, favorite movies and music. With some files, there are photos of the parents and of their children if they have them.
> The Ridgeways assumed those listed with earlier donor numbers had been at the center the longest and tried to narrow their choice to those profiles.
> The embryos were created for an anonymous married couple using in-vitro fertilization. The husband was in his early 50s, and they used a 34-year-old egg donor.