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genis-sage t1_jasftpx wrote

i didn't know what sub this was on for a second and thought i was learning something about my phone's battery

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AdonisGaming93 t1_jasky7d wrote

Jokes on you, I'm at a constant 1% battery remaining.

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paulstelian97 t1_jasor2l wrote

Replying to DigitalSteven1 (#2,153,616)

Relaxing when you're not so tired it's stressful can help improve your mood, which helps you keep going with doing whatever is positive for you. Get too tired and you lose the motivation to do everything.

So this is just a hint to do things in a healthy manner and not overwork yourself.

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Lunar_Gato t1_jat1t7h wrote

Sometimes we hit walls but it’s okay because we need to lean on them and take a rest.

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Sszaj t1_jat34bs wrote

How do I get to the four bar status?

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MostObviousName t1_jat4yhd wrote

So don't give it all you've got?

Being motivated is confusing!

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DanielDaishiro t1_jat6nw0 wrote

Replying to genis-sage (#2,153,465)

It can actually be bad for your phone battery to charge it too often or too soon or even too full. Best practice is to go down to critical (10% or so) then back up to 80%.

Source: electrical engineer

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Linvael t1_jat8c02 wrote

Replying to DanielDaishiro (#2,154,617)

I remember seeing a video that claimed that, if it were possible, charging from 50% to 60% was the best. Both extremes (either charging from critical or approaching max) were not looking great on the chart. I'm no electrical engineer though.

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hazpat t1_jatb8ct wrote

This will build memory in the battery and the battery will begin to deplete faster.

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Ishidan01 t1_jatctgu wrote

Replying to Bigfops (#2,154,587)

Hey bigfops, littlefops just up and quit so we're gonna need you to cover his shifts.

Hey bigfops, middlefops also just quit, we're gonna need you to cover his shifts.

Hey bigfops, corporate just announced their latest mandatory SOP change, shitcan everything you know about doing your job and join this zoom meeting about the new rollout that goes live today.

Hey bigfops, we gotta schedule a meeting about how deadlines aren't being met.

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SentimentalBear t1_jatdftg wrote

When it comes to rechargeable lithium batteries, it's better for their lifespan if you let them fully deplete before charging them. So, while I agree with the sentiment of the post, I think a battery is a poor metaphor for its point.

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Eideen t1_jatdzrt wrote

Can I please, get a battery indicator on my wrist?!

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PollysLithium t1_jatf9hi wrote

Tips on how to get to the yellow again? It's been years I think I need a battery replacement or something.

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Sonyguyus t1_jatjjh2 wrote

So many people in the comments section think this post is about charging a cellphone.

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southpawflipper t1_jatqng3 wrote

Wish I knew how to recharge / break. I have a hard time because I feel like everything takes energy- doing “nothing” like YouTube or scrolling, walking, chatting/socializing…. and sleep is not always feasible or refreshing.

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RustyShuttle t1_jatzqk4 wrote

Meanwhile my brain:

100% battery <—— take a break here… forever

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Eagle_Blimp t1_jau0lp9 wrote

Bad advice. We all know you’re supposed to work yourself into exhaustion, and then just run on fumes for the rest of your career without any breaks.

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GroovingGremlin t1_jau0nlh wrote

Bought a phone with a 13400 mAh battery. Getting it to midway can take literally days. Downside: it's the size of a brick.

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jau1e7w wrote

Replying to DanielDaishiro (#2,154,617)

> It can actually be bad for your phone battery to charge it too often or too soon or even too full. Best practice is to go down to critical (10% or so) then back up to 80%.

The future is now old man. What you said mightve been true for nimh batteries but is terrible advice for anything with a lithium ion battery. Best thing you can do for a lithium ion battery is to not go below 40% or 30%. Second best thing is to not go above 80%

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Hairy_Dave t1_jau2ncx wrote

We all know we need breaks. Problem is it’s not always financially or logistically possible.

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Double_Match_1910 t1_jau31hf wrote

Instructions unclear.

Not taking a break when at 12%

Let's fuCKING G😵

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JimmysBrother8 t1_jau5w47 wrote

I like the lesson.

But this picture bothers me. Why is the right battery like that? It’s just … unsettling.

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Deathcat101 t1_jau81yd wrote

Dude I never do this. Treat myself like garbage and then crash.

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Halowary t1_jauffgj wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,155,919)

Just got the Accubattery app a year ago for S22+, phone battery started at 95% of spec (apparently it's normal for phones to have up to 10% less capacity than they're specced for, I did NOT know this prior to actually testing) and after 1 year it's still at 95%. The real trick is to charge to 60% max, but you can discharge as low as you want. Disable fast charging, it causes heavy wear. Charging between 80-100% causes heavy wear. Discharging the battery entirely can be bad, however phone batteries are super well protected against this type of damage and often stop battery draw well before the battery actually loses all charge.

Have gone through ~80 cycles in total, or what the battery considers to be 80 full charges/discharges. At about 300 cycles your battery should be at about 75% battery capacity, so instead of being there at 2 years which is pretty typical I should be able to keep the phone in amazing shape battery-wise for 4 years. Every phone I've ever owned got pretty weak after 2 years so learning all this was a huge game-changer.

EDIT: All of the information I used is what I've gathered myself from using the Accubattery app to track my own phones discharge rate and capacity, and this website for the 300-500 cycle figure that manufacturers themselves cite. https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries

EDIT 2: I should've been more clear what I'm arguing for. Charging between 80-40% is worse for your battery than charging between 60-10%, even though you net +10% usable capacity with the second. So if you really want to maximize battery life, go to the lowest maximum charge you're comfortable with (60% is what I use) and go as low as you're comfortable with, most people are comfortable with between 10-20% before charging.

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Halowary t1_jaug316 wrote

Replying to PollysLithium (#2,155,481)

I completely agree with you. While it's technically correct advice that doesn't mean it isn't totally useless. When I'm in the middle of a 10 hour shift I can't just go take a few hours to recharge lol so it's not practical advice at all. You start resting on the clock and you'll be looking for a new job real fast.

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enalenman t1_jaugirs wrote

My therapist once told me a quote that helps this in reminder:

“You dont fix the roof while its raining”

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jauglo0 wrote

Replying to Halowary (#2,156,482)

Do you have some sort of actual source for this? Becuase what " stop battery draw well before the battery actually loses all charge " usually means is that the low voltage protection is set to a high voltage such as 2.7v or 3v instead of the actual minimum voltage of 2.5v. That doesnt protect you nearly as much as it sounds like because the voltage curve is not linear, it flattens out at 3.7v for a while, so 3.3v is already down to 15% left or so

edit: also typical lithium ion lifespan is 500 cycles to 80%

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Halowary t1_jaugo0g wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,154,991)

This is also incorrect. All modern phone batteries have a PCM (Actually they use a BMS, a more robust sysem than PCM. I use PCM's in other equipment myself so I was biased to this type of battery protection) so they CANNOT be fully discharged no matter how hard you try. You can bring your phone battery to 1% or dead and the phone actually still has plenty of juice left, the PCM just keeps that charge so the phone cant brick the battery. The best practice is to keep your phone battery between 15-60%, you'll get close to 900% charging efficiency vs. charging to 100% (which is 100% efficiency) or charging to 85% (200% efficient) at least according to the battery tracking software accubattery I've been using for the past year.

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Beautiful-Musk-Ox t1_jauhprq wrote

i'm motivated, to be permanently on break since i'm never in the green and always yellow or red

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Halowary t1_jauhwlj wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,156,532)

(Table 2 in my link shows that discharging an NMC battery, the ones used in phones by 100% did in fact cause it to go to 70% capacity by 300 cycles) That 500 cycles to 80% ignores every other kind of battery depleting issue, like the fact that TIME also degrades your battery among several others.. But yeah, all cellphone cells have a PCM that blocks them from going below the minimum voltage by quite a bit.

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ValyrianJedi t1_jauide9 wrote

Replying to Bigfops (#2,154,587)

When I was a junior analyst at a finance firm a group told our boss that the 100+ hour weeks were too much to physically handle our boss called a doctor into the office to write everyone Adderall prescriptions.

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jaujcz7 wrote

Replying to Halowary (#2,156,609)

All lithium batteries use protection for undervoltage (aka low voltage protection), either built into cell / pack or built into the device. PCM/BMS is standard, not some special thing that phones have.

You just read that 'technically empty doesn't mean there is no energy left' , because its physically possible to drain a cell down to 0v while protection stops at 2.7v or whatever. Thats not made to add more lifespan than normal, thats to prevent the battery from exploding after you discharge it below 2.5v and then try to charge it. Any cell that has gone under 2.5v should be considered destroyed and not used. It may be possible to revive the cell by charging it up slowly while monitoring heat but is almost never worth it since even if doesn't catch fire it is permanently damaged and will have poor performance. The 'do not do low discharge' advice is for the last part inside the allowed range

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Halowary t1_jauk2xq wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,156,679)

It's not something that all lithium ion batteries have, and if you used them in something other than phones you'd be painfully aware of how fun it is to install your own PCM which I've done for my motorcycle and several RC cars and Airsoft guns. Replacing batteries often is expensive.

I never said the PCM added lifespan, but what it does do is dispel this myth that it's catastrophically damaging to your phone battery to discharge it to 0%. It's not. Your phone turns off at 10% capacity at the very least (no matter what the indicator on the phone says), otherwise phone fires would be an insanely common occurrence. I don't know a single person who hasn't had their phone die at least once with obviously no issues.

Actually getting a lithium ion battery to 0v is very bad cuz it's dead, but unless you're working with the battery completely stripped of all protections and software it will never reach this point.

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Darkbluejeanjacket t1_jauljt9 wrote

I am more concerned about wasting charge cycles. Thanks for reminding me how we consumers are nothing more than replaceable batteries…

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jaulq2b wrote

Replying to Halowary (#2,156,706)

> It's not something that all lithium ion batteries have, and if you used them in something other than phones

My talking about charging ~overcharged~~ overdischarged cells should clue you in that i have experience handling lithium cells. Yes you can buy raw lithium cells that dont have an attached pcm/bms. The point is that it is standard to use them with one. The only use I am aware of that regularly doesnt use one is RC quads where they use a single lvp for the entire pack, necessitating the use of balance chargers and often fireproof bags

> dispel this myth that it's catastrophically damaging to your phone battery to discharge it to 0%.

That myth straight up does not exist. There is literally no common belief discharging your phone to zero will cause to explode. The exact opposite belief, that you need to discharge your phone to 0% regularly to prevent memory effect like you did with NiMH cells, is far more common.

Everyone saying that you should avoid discharging your battery below 40% or 30% is advising to do so in order to prolong battery lifespan. This is something that you explcitly argued against in your original comment, and is what I took exception to:

> , but you can discharge as low as you want.

Yet your own battery university link that you edited in proves that in table 2 and disproves your statment.

> It's not. Your phone turns off at 10% capacity at the very least

I literally said as much before you did

> the low voltage protection is set to a high voltage such as 2.7v or 3v instead of the actual minimum voltage of 2.5v. That doesnt protect you nearly as much as it sounds like because the voltage curve is not linear, it flattens out at 3.7v for a while, so 3.3v is already down to 15% left or so

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ValyrianJedi t1_jaumi3e wrote

Replying to zyzyzyzy92 (#2,156,779)

Definitely better, though that's a low bar to clear! Ha. Still work like 60 hour weeks, and have to travel a lot. But I enjoy the work itself and they make it worth my while, so can't complain too much.

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Halowary t1_jauo0k3 wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,156,785)

I'm not sure if you're intentionally misreading everything I've posted or not, but I never said that discharging your battery causes it to explode. Table 6, the third best result was discharging from 75%-25%, which was the lowest discharge they bothered to test. The very worst was 100%-25%, and the second worst was 100%-40% and even 85-25% performed much worse. The only results with better performance were 75-45 and 75-65, both of which are basically impossible to maintain if you have a real job where you can't just sit there and stare at your phone battery the whole time.

However they didn't test the range I've been testing for the past year, and the results have been very very good between 60-15%. I Haven't lost any capacity at all as far as I can tell, and it's counting each charge in this range as being about 0.02 cycles but we'll see how this goes during the next few years. At minimum I'm expecting to stay above 75% capacity for 4 years, but if it drags out to 8 I'm not going to be crying about it.

Just so we're clear, in the first post in this chain I did say this: Discharging the battery entirely can be bad, however phone batteries are super well protected against this type of damage and often stop battery draw well before the battery actually loses all charge.

So you're kind of arguing against a strawman anyways. You can pretty safely discharge your battery well below the 40% level and still expect amazing longevity, you're really making the very most gains in your battery by not charging to 100%. The "Don't discharge below this level" gang is talking about miniscule battery life gains, and here I am trying to promote massive multi-year gains.

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ChrisMcGy t1_jauolh9 wrote

Thing is I need about a week long break; but, instead I only get two 15s and a thirty minute lunch.

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Avakining t1_jaurdoy wrote

This graphic is bad; the batteries are draining the wrong direction 🙄

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jaus3p0 wrote

Replying to Halowary (#2,156,871)

> I never said that discharging your battery causes it to explode.

You never claimed that it actually would, you claimed that other people claimed it would, here

> is dispel this myth that it's catastrophically damaging to your phone battery to discharge it to 0%.

Once again this belief does not exist. Furthermore

> You can pretty safely discharge your battery well below the 40% level and still expect amazing longevity, you're really making the very most gains in your battery by not charging to 100%. The "Don't discharge below this level" gang is talking about miniscule battery life gains, and here I am trying to promote massive multi-year gains.

Once again your own source doesnt actually prove your point and in part argues against it. Since as you note, table 6 does not test discharge to 0%, it is impossible to actually use it to determine if not charging fully or not discharging fully is better if you had to decide between only doing one. In order to do so would require testing 75-0% in order to compare against 100%-25%

However it does completely and definitively disprove your claim that

> "Don't discharge below this level" gang is talking about miniscule battery life gains

As previously stated the typical 100%-0% lifespan to 80% of original capacity is 500 cycles. Per table 6, the 100%-25% lifespan to 80% was 3500 cycles while the 100-40% lifespan was 5000 cycles. This translates to a 7 times and 10 times extension in battery life respectively.

This is exactly the massive multi year gain that you claimed it did not bring. Furthermore it suggests that the reason that limited maximum charge was not tested in the first place is since it was obviously the first step one would take to extend battery life.

> however phone batteries are super well protected against this type of damage and often stop battery draw well before the battery actually loses all charge.

If you actually go look at a lithium ion discharge graph, as current draw decreases, the voltage curve shifts upward and rightwards. This means that as discharge reduces , the state of charge that a voltage represents is lower and lower. Phones are a low power, high energy application, which means that even if you set the lvp to 3v, a full 0.5v over 2.5v, it represents very little remaining energy. And once again, I did initially ask for a source that showed that phones have some extra protection that normal batteries dont have, which you have not posted.

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warlaan t1_jaut80q wrote

So basically don't have kids.

I used to be very good at taking a break when I needed one. With kids that's just not possible. Taking care of your kids for like an hour is not very hard, you just don't get to have kids for just an hour.

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Halowary t1_jauv6h3 wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,157,033)

I'm not going to sit here and argue that the belief itself exists as it's obvious that it does. Lots of people believe a lot of things, to argue otherwise is nonsensical. I've argued against this stuff myself before so I'm not going to take your word for it that it doesn't exist.

What the source I cited does for sure show is that NMC batteries (used in phones) do in fact last for about 300 cycles to 70% if you discharge 100% every time, not your 500 cycles to 80% claim.

Table 6 also shows that the figure I cited as closest to what I'm arguing for (which is 60-10%) 75-25%, had 88% capacity at 5000 cycles as opposed to the 80% for 100-40, with the line definitely trending much more heavily down the Y axis than the 75-25. By 9000 cycles, 75-25% would have 84% capacity while 100-40 would have 69% (nice) 100-25% would have 62% proving that the maximum you allow your battery to charge is truly the main deciding factor here. The depth of discharge for 100-25 is 75, 100-40 is 60, 100-50 is 50 and 75-25 is 50. So comparing apples to apples, the 100-50 has about 74% capacity remaining while the 75-25 range has 84%, a 10% capacity difference over 9000 cycles which is pretty incredible. It proves beyond a doubt that the lower discharge of 25% does not negatively effect the battery nearly as much as how HIGH you charge it does. I'm insanely confident that my 60-10 I use for my own phone is more efficient than the 75-25 they use in table 6, and likely even more efficient than the 75-65 even though I'm able to use 50% of my batteries capacity as opposed to 10%.

As for the extra protection phones have.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutoff_voltage which cites http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html as it's source. This shows a cutoff of 3v, although it also says manufacturers set this limit themselves which is kind of obvious. I doubt they set the limit just above what kills the phone, otherwise we'd hear of phones being replaced every few months instead of every 2 years as normal. I also never did claim phones have extra protection, just that they have a BMS that protects them from full discharges. Again with the strawman arguments...

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beaubeautastic t1_jauw9ze wrote

actually, its better for your battery to charge it when it gets low, and it takes longer to store energy the higher charge you get

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jauxq7j wrote

Replying to Halowary (#2,157,123)

this is patently ridiculous. In your original comment you you replied to me saying not to deep discharge with

> but you can discharge as low as you want.

Only now have you shifted your argent to '25% is ok'.

> 500 cycles to 70% if you discharge 100% every time, not your 500 cycles to 80% claim.

I used 500 to 80% instead of 300 to 70% because the better number for standard discharge is better for your position not mine lmao, if you try to recalculate with the worse standard numbers, it just increases the amount that avoiding full discharge saves.

The point being It does not prove anything about discharging to 0%. If you want to tell people not to discharge below 25% instead of below 40% that is one thing, but you have explicitly claimed multiple times that you can discharge as far as you want , which as I have previously explained is demonstrably false using your own data.

> As for the extra protection phones have.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutoff_voltage which cites http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html as it's source. This shows a cutoff of 3v, although it also says manufacturers set this limit themselves which is kind of obvious. I doubt they set the limit just above what kills the phone, otherwise we'd hear of phones being replaced every few months instead of every 2 years as normal. I also never did claim phones have extra protection, just that they have a BMS that protects them from full discharges. Again with the strawman arguments...

There is no strawman argument, you explcitly stated

>super well protected against this type of damage and often stop battery draw well before the battery actually loses all charge.

The term "super well" implies additional protection beyond what is normal. Furthermore you have again linked to a source disproves your own argument. Your entire argument is predicated on the idea that the low voltage protection will shut down the battery with a significant buffer before 0 charge. The graph in your own second link that at a 0.2c discharge rate (which translates to a 5 hour battery life, so in a phone itd be even lower discharge rate), there is 3% energy left at a 3v cutoff. This literally proves what I said in the previous comment

> If you actually go look at a lithium ion discharge graph, as current draw decreases, the voltage curve shifts upward and rightwards. This means that as discharge reduces , the state of charge that a voltage represents is lower and lower. Phones are a low power, high energy application, which means that even if you set the lvp to 3v, a full 0.5v over 2.5v, it represents very little remaining energy.

Furthermore,

> Lots of people believe a lot of things, to argue otherwise is nonsensical

In this very thread there are plenty of people arguing that memory effect needs to be avoided, and 0 people arguing that it is as you put it " catastrophically damaging", only more wear. Even battery myth articles commonly address the memory effect idea, not whatever youre saying.

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smurb15 t1_jauze4k wrote

Replying to Mathematics_persia (#2,154,515)

I don't think I was necessarily trained that way but that is just how I have always done it. I work until exhaustion, then pass out for a couple few hours, rinse and repeat. It was easy to do in my 20s. Now not so much

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sinr_88 t1_jav2t5o wrote

What happens when you're in the negative?

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Aaggron t1_jav2y76 wrote

But, but, but…is it not better for the battery if you only charge it once it‘s fully depleted?

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hulkmxl t1_jav79cp wrote

Fun fact, Lithium-ion batteries chemically degrade if discharged to very low voltages, and can't retain the same charge as before. The percentage you see on your phone, is just a representation of the voltage that the chemical reaction inside your battery is having.

If your battery is discharged very often past certain "percentage", say for example, you discharge it all they way to 0% every single time, it will lose its ability to retain charge the same way it did.

The body is in a way a battery, an ongoing chemical reaction, just infinitely more complex, but the principle is the same, if you "discharge" your battery to 0% every day, you are definitely not going to make it to 100 years, guaranteed.

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Not_Smrt t1_jave51i wrote

Don't leave your charger at home bro

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UncoolSlicedBread t1_javgqqz wrote

Replying to GodOfPlutonium (#2,156,254)

Hi, I’m that person. Occasionally I’ll charge it to 100% but for the most part it gets to like 50% and then I forget to charge the rest.

Mainly because at one point I read that you shouldn’t charge it to 100% and leave it on the charger, so I quit charging it at night.

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Comohoy2015 t1_javiobq wrote

Thank you needed to see that this week. As a medical professional you are taught even after “E” you better figure it out before the next patient.

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MediaMix1 t1_javizv7 wrote

Bruh, I "go to sleep" when I'm "on red", to be honest.

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umlcat t1_javk1rv wrote

That's what micromanagement employers and managers don't get.

"You take too much time on water cooler or coffee breaks !!!"

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Sideburne76 t1_javsal6 wrote

My battery in life is at .05 percent. Pushed passed burnout phase and now just numb.

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ihavedumbquestions17 t1_javtza3 wrote

Nah man i take a 2 day/4week break when i run outta battery when i dont have my phone i just use my laptop since the charger port is right beside my bed my reasoning is that i watch my phone in bed while midnight and that if i dont have my phone then i can sleep cause my laptop has light laptops are big = it has too much light and it would take up space for the blanket and my parents would see the light meaning i would get scolded meaning i cant talk too my friends and that i would not have sleep time i sleep at 2am in January for 4days and i couldnt sleep in march theres no more phone 4 me since i did not charge my phone

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Exactly me when i didnt have my phone but now i have 3 hours in sleep. yay?

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AureliusCloric t1_javvqm1 wrote

Replying to street-trash (#2,156,969)

Right!? I see some of these posters sometimes, and they're so out of touch with the reality of most people in America. A friend of my just had to go to a mandatory meeting where the CEO of the company started emphasizing the importance of self care, encouraging them to take spaw days or go to the chiro while paying them shit and sending emails with shit like "Although overtime is optional, hear at xyz we highly encourage it."

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articmaze t1_javwu1p wrote

I feel like I plugged myself into a low power charger at 10% several years ago and haven't made any progress yet.

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Im6youre9 t1_javys02 wrote

I had my little brother over helping me out with the mulch. Like 15 minutes in I'm like ok break time. He's like I'm not even tired yet, and when I take breaks I have a hard time going back to work.

I told him yeah it's because you don't take a break until you're already tired. If you take breaks before you get tired you can work for much longer.

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ebpSloth t1_jaw15lh wrote

Doesn't this increase effects of battery fade?

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Balance- t1_jaw6kh3 wrote

Replying to Ishidan01 (#2,154,857)

You know what? That’s a position of leverage. Apparently they depend on you a lot more now littlefops and middlefops just quick. So use that leverage, and don’t back down. They need you.

Also, if everyone is quitting start looking around.

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Advertiser-Necessary t1_jaw9dbp wrote

Replying to paulstelian97 (#2,157,435)

That's a lot of assumptions. I have a degree, although it is an AS. Many of my coworkers have degrees, some with higher degrees, in STEM and the medical field. I live in Colorado, the US. My town is extremely expensive and many of us haven't had the opportunity to leave it.

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ToadRancher t1_jawawnx wrote

Lol let me tell my children that. The push from 5pm to bedtime is harrrrrd sometimes.

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ynotw57 t1_jawlrdh wrote

What if you’re already on the second battery and it’s at a red stage?

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GodOfPlutonium t1_jay78a5 wrote

Replying to UncoolSlicedBread (#2,158,080)

check your phone settings, some phones have options now to stop charging early, but you have to enable it. IDK about most phones and its not automatic. In general not charging to 100% is good, but there is no point in unplugging it if its actually full, as then the phone electronics are just running off of wall power

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RonValhalla t1_jb4yr06 wrote

This one hits me hard. I usually wait until I’m so exhausted I’m making mistakes, then I rest.

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