To cut off one's nose to spite one's face

Why is there an active subreddit dedicated to an election that ended four years ago?

What ever happened to the Republican Party that was opposed to excessive government intervention in people’s lives?

Wut?

It turned fascist.

That subreddit tells users to move over to the new one. r/VoteDem

'Liberal' means 'freed'. The opposite of 'liberal' is not 'conservative' but 'enslaved'. Captured slave-minds can be fed all sorts of sh!te, and swallow it entirely. Then there's a truism: The conservative refuses to acknowledge a New Moon out of respect for that venerable institution, the Old Moon. ;)

That's an interesting article. Louisiana is doing the people wrong. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Folks should start getting involved in politics and start taking things seriously. This new law will also prevent big corporations from liability to protect people where insurance is concerned. Yikes. Louisiana conservatives do not love their fellow citizens.

They were liars all along, shockingly.

Yet they still are voted in.

Turned? It has been a "Freedom!.... Wait! No not like that!" Party since the Nixon days

It never existed.

They went all in.

Look at where the link is cross posted from.

Turns out they lied.

We have to fight the propaganda. Maybe the rest of us aren't doing enough because we're all being taken advantage of. ☹️

Fair point.

What ever happened to the democrats that hung black people like balloons simply for looking at them and that fought back against the union?

Oh right.

Gotcha!

They have always wanted complete iron-gripped control over every aspect of all of our lives. They just lie and say they believe in freedom for the same reasons the Nazis said they were socialists

They’ve been the party of criminal fascism since the 70’s

They switched to the Republican party after the Civil rights act was signed

They became Republicans starting with Nixon southern strategy. Do you know anything about American politics.

All you have is New Orleans, Louisiana. Enjoy being a true shithole state in 10 years with legislation like this.

Huh! That sure does sound anti-capitalist of them!

Louisiana conservatives consider banning thoughts.

Hanging like a balloon is a weird metaphor.

But a pretty metal mental image.

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Look back at Mcarthyism, Its been part of the conservative DNA For a LONG time.

That change the day they decide that the constitution was merely optional & not something they needed to take account of before drafting legislation.

Makes me wonder if like with a public business one can sue those making the decisions for fiscal irresponsibility.

he didn't specify when it turned

Without double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.

Oh, those darned liberals! What will they think of next? Desegregation? Women allowed to vote? Why, there ought to be a law!

I still don't get this at all. They ultimately work towards Taliban/Handmaid's Tale society yet use the symbolism and rhetoric of "freedom" in the process. It's not a mass conspiracy & there's no central command center but I'm perplexed by how their belief system works.

Taking the liberal out of economic liberalism

Hating brown people and the gays is a hell of a drug.

ESG has become the latest bugaboo of the Batshit Right. A few corporations have figured out that some folks; ie Blue State Liberal types, are more inclined to do business with them if they market themselves as environmentally conscious. If a company invests some money in alternative energy, it’s not a bad thing even if it isn’t that big a deal. Well, out in Conservo-land, it is a bad thing; a real Bad Thing. In certain circles, Big Corporations that provide spouses benefits for same sex couple, include abortion and birth control in their Insurance coverage, and now support alternative energy are Bad. Obviously, if they pander to the dreaded Liberals, they don’t respect us. Actually, unlike garden variety Republicans, populist types seem to really hate Big Corporations.

While this seems crazy, a lot of politicians have picked up on it. De Santini has declared himself “enemy of woke businesses”. Now the folks of Louisiana are doing him one better.

https://ourmoneyourvalues.com/?gclid=Cj0KCQiA-oqdBhDfARIsAO0TrGGlYapzj6NkOq6qxLp4oSFlX-3djiTzz2VUldoryNlM7DZx6WQDOm0aAhVAEALw_wcB

The freedom to do what we tell you, no more, no less.

Down here, they all float.

I'm assuming (hoping) they were being facetious.

But I've been mistaken before.

Land of the free!

And before McCarthy was W.R. Hearst.

We don't actually believe in this. Just giving you losers a taste of your own medicine. Sucks when the government tells you how to live your life, huh?

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Yeah, lock businesses out of your state, and fuck up your own economy. That'll show em!

You realize no-one cares and we're laughing at you right?

They simply want the freedom to tell other people what to do while simultaneously believing that nobody can tell them what to do.

If your political ideology isn't about coming up with solutions, but about smugly "owning" the other side, it's not worth it. Maybe you're the real loser.

It's basically ignoring the meanings of words so they can control discourse, and thus people's very thoughts.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."

― George Orwell, 1984

The scary part is, it works. We really are nothing more than dumb animals that learned how to talk and build things.

If successful they will just make Louisiana uninvestable

The socio-psychological explanations being put forward for this are quite beside the point. The simple fact is conservatives recognise the danger to capital (production for profit) of the admission of any 'ethical' principle, which is to say (equivalently) any principle that considers the common (rather than private good) or admits consideration of any criterion other than the maximisation of profit. And they are absolutely right to recognise this.

Lack of excess doesn't mean no intervention at all. Minimal and moral intervention is necessary for a society at least /s

But seriously, the "moral" meddling is basically unnecessary and actually harmful while regulatory intervention is actually necessary for safety (especially when self-regulation due to the financial incentived against self-regulation)

No, no, no…they never wanted that. They were, are, and always have been opposed to excessive government intervention in their lives. Other peoples’ lives? That’s just fine.

That’s pretty vague

Exactly! Nicely said. I just think it's so strange that some groups involved in political movements can take their greatest weakness and then simply claim it to be one of their assets.

Pairing traditional values with freedom is like trying to blend oil and water

What. The. Fuck?.

Ah, yes, oppress political opponents. How very democratic. /s

What specific laws are you mentioning where liberals used the government to control people's lives?

A ban. A ban on someone else's opinion. That's awesome.

This country is so fucked up. It boggles the mind that there's still anyone trying to immigrate here.

The majority are just willfully ignorant. The rest are finding ways to leave.

>The study group held its first meeting last week, during which chairman Rep. Larry Frieman, R-Abita Springs, said its goals are to understand what ESG is and “hopefully eliminate its use in our state of Louisiana in all of our sectors and industries.”

Already decided to cancel-culture eliminate it, even though he admits he doesn't understand it. Sounds like solid conservative policy there.

To ban liberalism is to ban freedom and American Patriotism.

“How can we make our state even more of a garbage pile?”

It’s called being double faced and it works.

Conservatism is always a slide toward authoritarianism

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352154620300401

https://morningconsult.com/2021/06/28/global-right-wing-authoritarian-test/

Free market something something

Except the reasons for embracing ESG is because companies have determined that it increases their productivity, worker retention, opportunities for growth and with it profitability.

Because conservatives have been very successful at implementing laws and policies that specifically target people who are more likely to not vote conservative, to get them not to vote or make their vote inconsequential.

>The study group held its first meeting last week, during which chairman Rep. Larry Frieman, R-Abita Springs, said its goals are to understand what ESG is and “hopefully eliminate its use in our state of Louisiana in all of our sectors and industries.”

"We don't know what it is, but by god we know it needs to be eliminated".

Oh my! Electric cars and solar energy! What on earth is this world coming to! THEY ARE THREATENING OUR CONSERVATIVE IDEALS (of ruining the planet and fostering unethical business practices?)

It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory.

Well, that only applies in circumstances that are convenient to them. The purpose of the government is to support their beliefs and squash anything and anyone that causes open dialog.

At least that's how it looks to me.

It's already a shithole. There's no money anywhere, New Orleans pays double or triple the taxes of other parishes because the state can't afford anything otherwise. New Orleans itself is 1/3 apathetic voters or generational residents who are too exhausted by bullshit, 1/3 transplants who barely know anything about the grift-based politics anyway, and 1/3 empty houses owned by out of state assholes trying to make money off unregulated airbnbs. Nothing gets better because not enough people care; most of the rest of Louisiana just cares about hating abortion and never having to see a dime go to schools. I mean honestly, the state's industries are tourism in one city, Tabasco, and LSU. That's pretty much it.

But as always, thank you Mississippi.

I was raised in the belief system. As soon as you start to think critically and ask questions, it unravels alarmingly quickly. It all makes sense until you pull that one string. Then the avalanche of "well, if that's not true, what about..." and when you ask earnest questions to try to salvage any if it, you are labeled as "woke" and pretty much anything you say is immediately discredited.

Vaccination mandates, for starters.

Couldn't care less. Keep laughing.

Sorry you have to live there and sit and watch this happen.

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Born and bred Louisianian, when the previous Republican governor defunded the universities and hospitals to lower taxes that was the final straw for me.

r/nottheonion_irl

That's very free market economy of them.

Could you provide more? Vaccination mandates have existed for a long time for both public education and many occupations. I think those mandates are bipartisan.

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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

Blind loyalty is the Hallmark of Religion and Conservatives.

I think he is just playing dumb. Louisiana is home to a lot of oil and gas and chemical production. ESG will hurt the companies in Louisiana particularly due to the excess impact those operations have on minority communities. Going against ESG because of the "culture war" is likely just a cover to get rid of it to help their corporate donors.

So free you can drown it on a bathtub!

Cuz when your business model is responsible for the by state greatest rate of loss of land to sea level rise and subsidence, you double down!! It makes no sense to little people like you and me but to people with lots of money and investments and important shit, fuck little people like you and me!! Wouldn't it be neat if THEY drowned instead?

We literally have third world spots in this country.

I really don't get it. Aren't they just digging their own graves at this point?

You might have had some natural libertarians, but a lot of people became Republican around the time that legislation was being enacted to get rid of racial segregation.

Ahh the party of free market.

“We need to understand what it is and then eliminate it “. Sounds like they already made up their minds to ban it with out knowing exactly what it is. Typical R.

Its gov. intervention into THEIR lives AKA I can do what I want, and you cant.

Of course it is. I keep saying that the root of the evil of "conservative" politics is religion.

Someone who is raised, indoctrinated, groomed shall we say, from birth, to listen to what the loud man behind the pulpit says no matter what, to never question that loud, charismatic authority, even when they can see absolutely no evidence of the truthfulness of his words...

Well, a pulpit is basically a fancified podium, isn't it?

Yes. I'm just curious if there is more of a general process in psychology that accounts for this. Everyone knows (on a subconscious level) the major weaknesses of their theory/belief system. It seems like they charge forward with the freedom stuff because it makes them feel invincible and morally justified (if it were true).

Well I think confirmation bias is part of it. Also affinity bias. Spreading of alternatives. So is the need to belong to a group, which is stronger in some people than others.

I am not sure everyone knows the weaknesses if their belief system. If you come from an authoritarian background, you are taught from a young age not to question authority and are punished if you do.

I do think some people are highly aware and exploit people. Others may not understand the underlying mechanisms, but they can smell it a mile away and use it to their advantage.

I thought conservatives were all about small government. Does the Republican party stand for anything anymore?

And then they are left to figure out why oil, gas, and chemical companies leave LA anyway as the water levels change how valuable LA's port is.

>since the 70's 30's

Prescott Bush (H.W. Bush's dad and Republican US Senator from CT) attempted a fascist coup on FDR

>Rep. Larry Frieman, R-Abita Springs, said its goals are to understand what ESG is and “hopefully eliminate its use in our state of Louisiana in all of our sectors and industries.”

You know someone has a totally pure and just objection to something when they already assume the need to ban it before they even understand it.

Just a hypothetical, if all the lgbt+ and dark skinned folk left conservative states who would the attack next?

Starting with the conclusion and working backwards from there is a classic conservative move. See e.g. "the election was stolen, now we just need to find the evidence".

Women. They already have this lined up.

Based on what?

“Losers”

This isn’t nice or mature to call people.

“Taste of your own medicine”

What does this even mean?

I don’t think you understand what “liberals” mean by government.

Oh minorities don't actually need to be there to be a good target for hate...

In my country for example, the villages which have next to no immigrants vote most anti-immigrant, while the cities with immigrants actually see that they are not what the right paints them to be..

I love the part where they say the committee is focused on “understanding what ESG is and how to prevent it from being used in Louisiana”.

So in 1 sentence they said their goal is to ban something they don’t understand.

It also isn't nice or mature to tear a President's State of the Union address in four, yet your party leader did just that to Trump. It isn't nice or mature to fire people from their jobs due to an ideological difference, yet I see it happen all the time - my mother's boss explicitly told her that bashing Trump is ok, but Biden is off limits or it's cause for termination. This is in the HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY. Liberals want accountability, but only for conservatives and it's insultingly obvious.

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When did I bring up “President’s State of the Union address”?

What do you man “your party leader”? When did I say or state my “political party”?

If people were fired for “ideological difference”, wouldn’t they just sue?

You have not given any context to the statement about your story about “bashing” Trump and Biden. Where is the evidence?

If it is “insulting obvious”, they show evidence:

they make the lines clear,

>The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto

Conservatives just celebrated "Owning the Entitled $25/hour wanting Libs" because McDonalds unveiled their first fully automated store.

In Texas.

A Deeply Conservative State.

With a Minimum wage of 7.25

The party "Of the People" is ecstatic that the World's Largest International Fast Food Chain is going to stop hiring human employees at stores to reap as much profit as humanly possible and is starting in Texas. 😄

> goals are to understand what ESG is and hopefully eliminate its use

Is that one of the most conservative phrases ever? "We don't understand it, so it must be eliminated!" Anti-education and anti free market all bundled into one ignorant position.

Have you seen where Louisiana is ranked in just about every positive metric? Down near the bottom with Kentucky, Alabama and Mississippi. You have to be a stupid motherfucker to vote Republican these past 50 years or so, but there it is.

So much for the "free market"...

THIS

as long as the right people are being hurt the most, they dont care.

Fucking 1000% Death Cult

Capitalist enterprise could be managed by a board of Jesus, Buddha and Marcus Aurelius and it would still be exploitative: profit comes from labour and the maximisation of profit is the maximum exploitation of value from labour. As someone else points out, the apparent embrace of ESG is due to the perception that it 'increases productivity' (which it may, though only until the market forces prices down to increase market share). Marx didn't get everything right, but he got this right: capitalism is exploitative by nature. There is no 'ethical' capitalist enterprise. A business that put welfare, ethics, compassion, before proft can't succeed when the market as a whole is driven by the profit motive.

It might be nice to believe in a version of socialism that comes about because capital gains a conscience, but it's dangerous naivety. Socialism is the system that governs production according to human need, so that is what is worth fighting for.

"free market"

I brought up the SOTU as an example of your hypocrisy. You called me immature so gave you an example of how your own leader is.

Your political stance is obvious, so you never needed to state which party you belong to.

They ARE suing. In droves. Do you live under a rock or are you being intentionally dense?

As this incident happened behind closed doors, I have no evidence, so you can choose to not believe me. But I'm not making this up. Boss literally told her, in no uncertain terms, that she couldn't say anything negative about Biden or she'd be unemployed. To which she responded, "But Trump is fair game, right?" Boss replied "Correct."

Annnnnnddddd now we're done. I'm breaking my cardinal rule to never argue with a redditor. Can't fix stupid.

Only intervention that protected people from scams and con artists.

Third World Conservative America

Perhaps the federal government should show support to them by refusing to give them hand outs, that comprise half of the states revenue (19B out of 38B of state budget). It's the conservative thing to do.

Damn he disappeared with 60 Ukrainian orphans? Wtf!!!

They would still come after gays and browns. I’m from California, but currently live in Florida. :(. . People here that have literally never stepped foot in California, have soooooo much to say about Newsom, homelessness, regulations etc. Hatred and ignorance have no borders unfortunately.

Can't wait to get the heck out of this state. The GQP makes it easier every day to be sure we're making the right choice by moving as soon as we can.

IIRC, it was Arizona that passed a law by overriding a veto from the governor banning trans people in school sports. The state had 4 trans athletes. Four people. A whole-ass law. The presence of conservative hate-targets isn't even a secondary concern; they fear the very idea of non-cis/white/heterosexuals and will trade anything and everything to punish them for nothing.

Women.

And once thats gone, it will be people who arent 'white enough' as the people who are used to define whiteness (the absence of visible race) have been removed.

The band will just get narrower and narrower, because it has to

Sadopopulism

Conservative are trying to create solutions to problems that don’t exist except in conservative fantasies. In doing so they are creating problems

Always working on Jim Crow 2.0…

American Right wingers truly are defined by being the most unaware partisan hacks in existence. ReEEeeEE mUh FrEEDumb But NoT FoR you!

What “hypocrisy”?

“Your own leader”

Who said I had a “leader”?

Making wild assumptions and guessing about political stance doesn’t help you.

You have yet to show any evidence for your claims. If it easy then show it.

Why should I believe someone who has shone no evidence and makes wild assumptions?

When did you ever prove “stupid”?

Insults of others make you look bad.

If you don’t care than why respond?

Italians.

republican = moron

They're all old enough to have one foot in the grave already. They don't care about long term consequences because they won't be alive to see them

Then can we just kind of.. push em in already?

B-b-b-but Republicans aren't fascist

"Party of small government "

Wait until President Business hears about this

Liberal businesses should move to Massachusetts!

Being the shittiest state is not enough already?

All they have to do is point their finger at a letter other than an R after the name of any political candidate.

"The _ want to destroy America!"

That's it. That's the whole excuse right there. It's just that everyone they point at now is easier to spot with the naked eye and so, easier to attack.

It never is just "the right people" though. It always affects everyone below a certain financial threshold. It's so foolish.

your over thinking it. Remember when you were 7 or 8 years old? and you thought that you were right and everyone who thought you were wrong was an idiot? There is nothing more to understand, my buddy was bitching about the government making people do something or whatever, and I asked about how come they all were insisting on MAKING people swear to the flag, and say "under God" in school. He was like "I don't understand why anyone would not want to say the pledge of allegiance" It didn't compute, didn't matter. They want to win, they are right, you are wrong, the principles which they hold dear only apply, like the bible, if and when they want them to and how they want them too. Don't over think it, people, like animals, do what they do

It's backfiring to some extent though. Most libertarians no longer align themselves with Republicans anymore, especially in light of roe v Wade.

Source: have libertarian friend. Maybe a few, though it's never been super clear with some of them.

And just to be clear, I think libertarianism is stupid for many reasons. We just don't talk politics much and that's how we get along.

Thats the point, while the "right" people are assumed to usually be minorities, its really just the poor.

Can we all agree, finally, that it’s to hit the reset button on that quarter of the continental US? Turn that ugly hellscape into a giant parking lot.

>Louisiana conservatives do not love their fellow citizens.

FTFY

Yup, I was agreeing with you. I think my use of the word "though" was a misuse on my part to make it look like I had contention. Sorry about that.

How would this be worded? Are they against all future ventures that might be defined as liberal, or are they targeting specific initiatives that are in the works?

I discriminate against republicans before I take them on as clients. I research their leanings on social media, and take them on, or not. Fuck it, I’m not dealing with these assholes anymore.

Free speech and capitalism

When a republican politician says something you can safely assume the opposite is true.

Desantis is promoting this too. Pathetic and disgraceful... and talk about government over reach, my god.

Thanks yeah... That makes sense. What do you think the equivalent of this is on the more liberal side of the political spectrum? Like something where there's a massive level of bs but the group writ large is totally ambivalent to it???

Yeah that makes sense. Reconciling the following is likely to just piss them off::: wanting laws that result in throwing a women in jail for having an abortion after being raped by her father VS protesting laws for the right to go have lunch at Olive Garden (a private company) during the height of the pandemic without proof of vaccination...(my body my choice)

I'm sure their are lots of things , probably some of the more dumbass woke people, like the people who think sayings like "the pot calling the kettle black" is racist. There is no apples to apples comparison though. Because the crazies don't make it all the way to the too. Right now being a nut job is requisite to gathering favor among the right wingers. So it's really a totally different environment that we all are living in

Boot and bible licking.

Conservatives are literally afraid of everything that doesn't look exactly like them. Everything.

They're trying to ban "ESG". Just like "CRT" bans, there will be collateral damage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental,_social,_and_corporate_governance

Seems like something that SCOTUS would be fine with.

During the civil rights movement there was a flip between the parties.

Government should stay out of business and let them operate