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zorbadiro t1_jahxb3i wrote
next time there is a protest give me a heads up. I will get my ass kicked for you all
139_LENOX t1_jahxqti wrote
Fuck DeBlasio and Shea for defending this when it happened.
Don't forget that the NYPD chose to direct their resources to engage in this misconduct in the South Bronx while leaving looters in Soho to their own devices that same night.
Kettling these protestors was never about public safety, it was about the NYPD putting on a show of force against protestors demanding police accountability. When that didn't work out for them, they just stopped doing their jobs.
The NYPD is a fundamentally broken organization, and as long as the taxpayer keeps footing the bill for misconduct nothing will change.
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djdjddhdhdh t1_jai0g6n wrote
Haha right
GlitteringHighway t1_jai0kyw wrote
It’s time to tie malpractice insurance to policing.
k1lk1 t1_jai1vzu wrote
We need to bust the police union. Anyone on the force should be able to be fired for any reason whatsoever. And none of this administrative leave bullshit. Oh, you're not doing your job? Bye, go find work in Elizabeth or Cleveland.
It's sooooooo fucking stupid that taxpayers are constantly on the hook for police misconduct yet nobody on the force ever pays a price for it.
Tunnelman82 t1_jai1xi8 wrote
These payments are just cost of squashing protest. Not a deterrent to politicians just something they have to budget for instead of enacting changes they don’t want to do.
CactusBoyScout t1_jai37ut wrote
I was at some of the protests that these lawsuits center around.
The NYPD had hundreds of officers in riot gear responding to peaceful protestors marching while actual looting took place maybe a mile away in Soho.
Conservatives like to conflate the two (protests and looting) but what I witnessed was completely peaceful protestors being attacked by police (charging at us in riot gear, knocking people down, hitting them, and arresting them) while store windows were being smashed with no police response a short distance away by organized groups.
I think it’s pretty obvious that the police wanted the looting to happen to discredit the protests. And that getting a chance to attack people who were criticizing them was just the cherry on top.
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Silvery_Silence t1_jai6ap6 wrote
The nytimes has excellent reporting on all the police violence during the protests and they have the receipts. Tons of videos of cops literally assaulting protestors who aren’t a breaking any laws, some are literally doing nothing just standing there. It was horrendous.
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TheRealDJLars t1_jai7n7v wrote
NYPD, continuous milking of our tax dollars.
k1lk1 t1_jai7t8j wrote
Alternate law enforcement would have to be a part of it for sure. You'd have to start with a separately run and managed force that grows over time.
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Kittycatkemtrails t1_jai8qyh wrote
And how is that so far from what they’re doing now? Only difference is how fast it happens and how much you actually see it happening.
zorbadiro t1_jai98tk wrote
Yea joke aside, Im sure its intense.
casicua t1_jai9cme wrote
Conservatives obtusely conflating peaceful protests and looting is such a fundamental part of their playbook these days it’s laughable. Anyone with half a working brain cell can see right through it - but unfortunately it’s an effective tactic when courting their MAGA cult of idiots to get further in lockstep against progressives.
numba1cyberwarrior t1_jai9r1u wrote
>nyone on the force should be able to be fired for any reason whatsoever.
Agreed we should do this to all public unions including teachers
Evening_Presence_927 t1_jaia27v wrote
You say that, but then the city turned around and elected a cop as mayor a year later, so clearly the residents of this city don’t give enough of a fuck to change things.
Awkward-Painter-2024 t1_jaiangz wrote
It got Adams elected... It swung NYC congressional districts Red. Fuck the NYPD.
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NetQuarterLatte t1_jaickdh wrote
>The kettling strategy was broadly defended at the time by Mayor Bill de Blasio and the police commissioner, Dermot F. Shea, who said it was needed because protesters were defying curfews and looters had ransacked parts of Manhattan, though the demonstrations had been largely peaceful.
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>The shocking scenes of looting, scuffles between the police and protesters and destruction of police cars led then-Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mr. DeBlasio to announce on June 1 that they would deploy twice as many police officers and impose a curfew.
“There comes a point where enough is enough,” Mr. de Blasio said.
Remember this the next someone says De Blasio was progressive. He was a jackass posing as a progressive and contributed to the situation that led to the protests escalating to riots.
Beerbonkos t1_jaicmic wrote
When will police be held accountable and pay for their legal fees. Defund the police can just be pay your own damn bills and stop freeloading off of taxpayers. And also, do your damn job without abusing power for fucks sake.
vcarl t1_jaictyi wrote
Teachers have strict curricula and regulations on behavior, in a way I don't think could be reasonably argued the NYPD has a comparable system of accountability. I don't think anyone would seriously argue that what teachers need is less stability and less bargaining power.
QueenOfKarnaca t1_jaidopt wrote
They did the same thing in Boston during George Floyd protests. Trapped everyone in the common, shut down all public transport, then told everyone to leave but pepper sprayed us when we tried. Everyone was peaceful and they still assaulted us violently.
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numba1cyberwarrior t1_jaific2 wrote
Did you read my comment there lol. I posted there one time calling out some guy for supporting an antisemite.
youjustdontgetitdoya t1_jaihrkg wrote
$7 Billion Oops my bad it's now $10 Billion
empirestrikes t1_jaii5wf wrote
Leave Cleveland alone haha
Mustard_on_tap t1_jaii7ke wrote
Non-paywalled link:
th3D4rkH0rs3 t1_jaiieo9 wrote
This is hillarious. Taxpayers have to bail out an out of control police department paid to protect the taxpayers. Bankrupt their pensions first.
TonyzTone t1_jaik67s wrote
>We need to bust the police union.
We need to be very careful about this. Breaking the police union will affect other public sector unions, and possibly even private sector unions. IANAL, but I know that police unions are still protected by the different labor and collective bargaining laws.
huebomont t1_jaik7wv wrote
He was a progressive in the way a lot of New Yorkers like to think of themselves as progressive - I'm not racist, let's help out the less fortunate, sure it's ok to tax me more, wait there's someone who looks scary who just made eye contact with me, can we get a cop over here?
mrpeeng t1_jaikvda wrote
So this one incident will cost a little over 6.45($21,500*~300) Million dollars? Is this built into the annual NYPD budget?
StoryAndAHalf t1_jaimge8 wrote
Police gets to be violent. Tax payers pay victims. Police carries on as if nothing happened with no consequences for their actions. Status quo remains and no lesson was learned.
NetQuarterLatte t1_jaio1td wrote
>I'm not racist, let's help out the less fortunate, sure it's ok to tax me more, wait there's someone who looks scary who just made eye contact with me, can we get a cop over here?
That's spot on!
MuchWalrus t1_jaio2ps wrote
I'd really like to see that, do you have a link by chance?
seeda4708 t1_jaio3ds wrote
So many bad apples you have to wonder if it’s the roots that are rotten
toughguy375 t1_jaio4pu wrote
It doesn't matter who wins the election. The police union runs the city. That's true about every city in America.
toughguy375 t1_jaioa20 wrote
That will help with a lot of problems.
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MattJFarrell t1_jaipcgj wrote
Agreed. I strongly believe in unions, and think everyone should have some employment and legal protections that comes with membership in a union. What we need to do is to strip away some of the absurd powers that the police union has. Also, police misconduct should not be investigated by the police force. That should be a separate, state-level organization.
markyymark13 t1_jairvr3 wrote
Why? So we can funnel even more money to the police to offset the absolutely absurd insurance premiums cops would have to pay? No thanks. Let's not add a market-tested, for-profit middleman as some kind of 'solution' to a deeply rotten and systemic problem.
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Have they told the lawsuits to stop resisting?
SanguisFluens t1_jaitmn9 wrote
If high ranking government officials could be held personally accountable for breaking the law, the world would be a different place. Don't forget this op was commanded by the department cheif.
SanguisFluens t1_jaiu2ji wrote
The only consequence was that the protests eventually stopped and their budget increased.
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-SoItGoes t1_jaivnil wrote
They just equate skin color with peace.
Black people exist? Violent. Mobs of white people attacking police and attempting to kill politicians? Peaceful
casicua t1_jaix3wl wrote
To be fair, these days they oscillate between dog whistling that sentiment and just shamelessly saying it.
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York_Villain t1_jaizlqf wrote
Defund
Spirited_Touch6898 t1_jaj0uji wrote
Since when is burning police cars and smashing windows peaceful, what a bunch of crock! These protests were not peaceful, and regularly turned violent. Anyone who've seen the aftermath in Union square would not think it was peaceful.
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darthravioli t1_jaj42jc wrote
You are right. Look at the racist riot they held in 1992 when the CCRB was created. A bunch of drunk off duty cops calling Dinkins and the black members of city council n-words as they trashed the streets. Fuck the NYPD and anyone who supports them.
TonyzTone t1_jaj53in wrote
It's a classic "who watches the watchmen" situation.
The separate organization could be the Attorney General, which is far enough removed from daily policing activities that it makes sense. Civilian Complaint Review Board is also independent of NYPD so, there's that.
The issue is ultimately accountability. What should happen if a police officer steps outside of their legally-restrained role which unfortunately exists in a fast-paced, high-tension environment with a lot of grey areas and "he said, she said."
rNBA_Mods_Be_Better t1_jaj5re1 wrote
> They'd literally burn this city to the ground.
This is exactly the heart of the problem. The people responsible for "keeping law and order" in the city would burn it to the ground in a heartbeat if they were faced with accountability for doing illegal shit. It's the most glaringly obvious reason to disband them if we want a longterm solution.
MattJFarrell t1_jaj6zdq wrote
Hahahahaha! Oh boy, do you think the NYPD would let themselves be held accountable?
tsgram t1_jaj8f5p wrote
I misread the title and thought it referred to millions pissed away in wages for NYPD to observe peaceful protests.
project_twenty5oh1 t1_jaj8y8o wrote
It deadass needs to happen that way, actually. Send in the troops.
GlitteringHighway t1_jaj912y wrote
The individual officer pays for the insurance. The officer creates an issue where they are at fault. Insurance pays out, the officer's premium goes up. Eventually it's not financially worth it to be a bad cop. It's not a perfect solution. At the moment the citizen is on the hook for bad conduct. This would solve that.
thenewyorktimes t1_jajarvu wrote
Thanks for sharing! Here’s a free gift link to the above story.
We have an update. The New York City Council held an oversight hearing on Wednesday to examine the NYPD's Strategic Response Group a day after a multimillion-dollar settlement with protesters who said they were mistreated when they marched against the killing of George Floyd in 2020. No one from the Police Department came. Read the full story without a subscription here.
Grass8989 t1_jajau1e wrote
If you think a police officer making 45k a year is going to need to take out “malpractice insurance” and is going to pay out of their own pocket I have a bridge to sell you.
mowotlarx OP t1_jajbvjm wrote
Mmk. Were the people the NYPD kettled being violent? No. Hence the settlement. Read the article.
marketingguy420 t1_jajcbdm wrote
It was really clear that DeBlasio was terrified of the police. They doxxed his daughter and he was probably legit scared for his life at some point.
Puzzleheaded-Draw119 t1_jajcco0 wrote
This was a completely peaceful protest until cops came in on bikes and started beating the shit out of protesters for being out past bedtime.
OverlordXenu t1_jajchc8 wrote
the cops literally have their own lawyers that handle these cases. a friend of mine worked for them.
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GlitteringHighway t1_jajhh8i wrote
You ok bud? Overcompensating for something?
OverlordXenu t1_jajhm79 wrote
yeah my guy, the cops have their own law department. my friend literally worked there. they are treated by cops and others as if they are part of the nypd, even if there is nominal structural separation. they are de facto part of the nypd. which is why my friend didn't continue working there. he felt that even the IA lawyers went easy on the cops, which was ironic because they were also despised by the cops as if they were inteneral affairs cops.
but, notably, the lawyers that handle the cases for the cops are not the same ones that handle lawsuits against the city or other departments. that was more the point i was trying to make. the same lawyers do not handle tripping on the sidewalk and police brutality cases.
bangbangthreehunna t1_jajhxu0 wrote
If they went to soho and did the same shit, you would have complained. The Bronx got hit really hard with looters. Look at the Fordham Riot.
bangbangthreehunna t1_jaji7vh wrote
Yes. NYPD was the out of control group in 2020
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Grass8989 t1_jajisut wrote
Just having a rational take on this, unlike most people. The city would very obviously be footing the bill if this ever became a thing
Beerbonkos t1_jajiyp2 wrote
They do fight them and often win. But when the evidence is overwhelmingly against them they settle.
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PiffityPoffity t1_jajkefw wrote
If cops want to personally defend themselves, they’re free to waive qualified immunity. I don’t see that happening voluntarily ever.
PiffityPoffity t1_jajkwis wrote
We can pay a salary that easily covers basic insurance premiums. If the premiums rise because of the officer’s record, that’s on them. That’s the whole point—make it economically harder to repeat offenders to maintain a career in law enforcement. It’s exactly how we treat doctors. If someone’s insurance premiums are significantly higher than average for the industry, they’re probably not cut out for it.
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bangbangthreehunna t1_jajlcwj wrote
Thats crazy.
Ice_Like_Winnipeg t1_jajm6pv wrote
They weren’t kettling rioters…
LuisTheCool t1_jajm7te wrote
Of course they let this happen in the Bronx, I’m just glad the protestors will be paid
bangbangthreehunna t1_jajmmmt wrote
There were hundreds of arrests on Fordham that the Bronx DAs office dropped.
Arleare13 t1_jajo0u4 wrote
Dude, what are you talking about? They actively fought this case for two years. The PACER docket has like 900 filed documents on it. It’s kind of absurd to say they weren’t allowed to defend themselves.
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Beerbonkos t1_jajq0uc wrote
It was pretty funny.
barcher t1_jajq8zu wrote
New Yorkers Will Pay Millions. FTFY.
Arleare13 t1_jajs898 wrote
The NYPD is represented in big defensive civil rights cases like this by the NYC Law Department, which is a city agency that (among other things) acts as outside counsel for other city agencies and employees. Basically the city equivalent of the state Attorney General.
The NYPD does also have its own internal law department, but they don't handle big litigations like this one.
mowotlarx OP t1_jajtmoy wrote
>I bet you thought that sounds smart.
It is smart, actually. And funny. A+ comment.
CrunkCroagunk t1_jajtu7h wrote
> Taxpayers have to bail out an out of control police department paid to protect the taxpayers.
Again.
columbo928s4 t1_jajuu6r wrote
conservatives loooove the free market until anyone proposes using it to hold abusive people with power accountable lmao
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OverlordXenu t1_jajwn33 wrote
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/new-york/nysdce/1:2020cv10291/549912 seems like they sued the city of new york, too. so you're right, probably the law department. i'll ask a friend of mine who works there.
edit: my friend says it's ny law dept's divison of "special federal litigtation", so you're right.
spicytoastaficionado t1_jajx4ci wrote
I remember this story well.
DeBlasio/Shea defended NYPD's actions by claiming they were arresting looters and rioters who violated the city curfew.
But it turned out NYPD kettled in a large group of protestors before the 8 PM curfew, didn't let them leave, and then claimed they were violating curfew after it was 8 PM.
I am all for cracking down on opportunistic rioters and looters, but NYPD was more interested in the low-hanging fruit of peaceful protestors.
Arleare13 t1_jajx8pb wrote
Lawyers from the NYC Law Department represented the NYPD. That’s how it works. The Law Department is like the NYPD’s law firm.
OverlordXenu t1_jajxdru wrote
not who i'm talking about
ifiwereaplatypus t1_jajxpyf wrote
MAGA cult of idiots, if only.
“I’m a moderate Democrat but protestors really should learn to respect the officers in blue.”
“Gosh that’s horrible, it was a really dangerous time to be outside at night anyways. Why are they provoking the police?? Let them do their jobs.”
Roll eye so they join the space x train all the way around the globe and back.
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Arleare13 t1_jajy6s5 wrote
The NYPD could decline representation by the Law Department if they wanted to. They don’t, because the Law Department knows what they’re doing.
jamesky61 t1_jajz273 wrote
You mean NY TAXPAYERS will pay… that’s the fucking problem, they fuck up and we pay, meanwhile they all keep their jobs
registered_democrat t1_jajz93w wrote
Happened the night before in midtown, only 100 or so arrested though, barely made the news. Lawsuits are ongoing though, a couple videos went viral
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Least-Cry-7317 t1_jak22se wrote
What time were you out protesting till? The rioting didn’t start till very late
Arleare13 t1_jak23ue wrote
They can self-represent or hire private outside counsel if they want. They just usually don’t, because their internal lawyers don’t usually handle these sorts of cases, and private outside counsel is expensive while the Law Department is free.
superrjk1 t1_jak2ecd wrote
Not Surprised
Jarreddit15 t1_jak2yq5 wrote
I understand the context of your comment but it’s kind of nutty to suggest de Blasio was only “posing as a progressive”
OrangeSlimeSoda t1_jak3unp wrote
This happened in cities across America. Police intentionally took on the peaceful protestors because (1) they're less likely to fight back; (2) allowing the looting to continue helps spread fear and support for police; and (3) arresting peaceful protestors helps to conflate rioting and protesting.
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TheRealShafron t1_jak54zl wrote
Since tax payers are footing the bill, they should just remove the total amount from every police person's paycheck that was responsible for the assaults.
dadxreligion t1_jak5isp wrote
no way. that’s just another excuse to increase their budget. it’s time to make these settlements come out of their pension fund.
SwellandDecay t1_jak5vo0 wrote
Who do you think gets called in to bust up unions and violently suppress workers? It's cops. I can promise you that the SBA is not helping workers rights in any way shape or form.
Don_Gato1 t1_jak5xqb wrote
They make much more than that after a few years.
pudpull t1_jak7y6m wrote
The taxpayers pay for it in NYC.
PiffityPoffity t1_jak807r wrote
And why would they have any direction in the defense if they don’t have any liability?
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PiffityPoffity t1_jak92ry wrote
No I’m not. It’s the City’s liability, the City’s funds, and the City’s decision to settle. If the cops aren’t a party, they have no authority or responsibility in the matter.
ccai t1_jak9rme wrote
Neither of them have a real possibility of being instated into practice with how little the government wants the function of the police to change. But the possibility of settlements coming from their pension fund would NEVER happen, it would be tied up in court for the next few centuries even if it would instantaneously SHATTER their blue wall of silence.
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SarahAlicia t1_jaka6pa wrote
The NYPD got to satisfy their blood lust and spend the money of actual nyc residents. Win win for them.
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bangbangthreehunna t1_jakhfer wrote
The Bronx mass arrest was in response to Fordham Road being a legit riot. It was more than just Soho
ChornWork2 t1_jakleg8 wrote
Friendly reminder that the looting and associated damage was disgusting, even before considering that NYPD was opting to not deal with it, even the damage estimate is well below what the police payout every year to settle misconduct cases...
Not that I like NYPost as a source, but figured in this case no one is going to question bias given the topic.
https://nypost.com/2020/06/03/looters-cost-nyc-businesses-tens-of-millions-experts-estimate/
tigermomo t1_jaklhn3 wrote
What a terrible time that was! No amount of money is going to civet fir the trauma these people suffered.
ChornWork2 t1_jaklwgt wrote
> with how little the government wants the function of the police to change
Public unions have too much power, and no worse case than the NYPD. Offended that people are fed up wtih police misconduct/unaccountability, they pullback on doing their jobs. Overall crime doesn't even increase, but with pandemic consequences get rise in violent crime and fearmongering. Public backlash gets cop-friendly 'tough on crime' turd of a mayor. Crime gets significantly worse... well done?
LoneStarTallBoi t1_jaklzxd wrote
The Cop Cycle:
Step 1: Blame high crime(existence of high crime unnecessary) on an insufficiently deferent city and demand more money.
Step 2: Get massive check
Step 3: Do nothing
Step 4: Return to Step 1.
zachotule t1_jakpj1x wrote
They’re going full Dilbertcore
PiffityPoffity t1_jakrh8n wrote
That’s not me.
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mrskwrl t1_jaku0i5 wrote
Oh. So THAT's where all my fucking taxes are going.
the_lamou t1_jakvgn5 wrote
>What should happen if a police officer steps outside of their legally-restrained role which unfortunately exists in a fast-paced, high-tension environment with a lot of grey areas and "he said, she said."
What SHOULD happen is that even the slightest possible hint of impropriety is met immediately with strict discipline, because any organization that has a state-sanctioned right to use force against human beings has to be held to the highest possible standard.
Police officers should have it drilled into their heads that every action is held to scrutiny and judged, and should be constantly reminded that they serve the public and not the other way around.
mowotlarx OP t1_jakxuf5 wrote
No, they doxxed her. They leaked her private information to the SBA that then put it on Twitter.
ccai t1_jakxw4g wrote
The issue is the people in charge don't give a shit because one call to one of their many connections and even the worst fucking cops will back the fuck away unless they're the dumbest of the dumb even by police standards.
The rest of us don't have that privilege - the unions are doing exactly what the bulk of politicians want that's why they have constantly grown stronger despite how vile and corrupt they are. Their main objective is protecting the people with power and money and keeping everyone else at bay regardless of how many innocent get hurt or killed as long as THEY'RE PROTECTED AND SAFE. How else do you think the rich get away with so much shit, they play by different rules - good cops won't let anyone get away with breaking the law, the ones we have now will...
It's a massive systemic problem from the top down.
sunflowercompass t1_jakzx18 wrote
The military doesn't get fucking unions. The people who man our nuclear missiles don't have unions. I am pro labor as they come but maybe we can have this one exception.
sunflowercompass t1_jal0bxq wrote
> De Blasio was progressive.
He was a progressive because he dared to go on TV and say that he feared his biracial son would get shot by NYPD. Then the staten islanders were real unhappy
TonyzTone t1_jal0uv6 wrote
Because when the law was passed barring military unions, we were at the height of the Cold War and the most ardent pro-military union elements were sympathetic to the USSR.
If anything, you might be pointing more to the need to allow military unions than anything. For what it’s worth, National Guard members serving in a state capacity can be unionized.
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WickhamAkimbo t1_jal2lxy wrote
I went to about a dozen protests in Lower Manhattan, half of them after dark, and saw largely peaceful protestors as well as professional cops. I saw protestors behaving aggressively, provocatively, maliciously, but ultimately legally, and I saw cops that didn't react and allowed the protestors to voice their opinions... loudly. Protestors also successfully occupied the northeast corner of the block around City Hall for over a month.
I think this represents the vast majority of the protester and police interactions during that time period, as much as each extreme refuses to believe it.
WickhamAkimbo t1_jal2ykz wrote
My personal experiences at a dozen different protests involved watching cops being goaded and belittled by protestors and not responding. I only saw professional behavior the entire time in Lower Manhattan. The protestors were sometimes aggressive, but I never saw anyone break the law on either side. I've seen a few videos of NYPD abuse, but it didn't seem to be the norm at various protests by any stretch of the imagination.
WickhamAkimbo t1_jal3gg0 wrote
God, just put all the virulently anti-cop people on a boat with all the virulently anti-protestor people and push it out to sea.
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libananahammock t1_jal5o8j wrote
Any videos?
beccapaula22 t1_jalciyk wrote
Crazy
BooflessCatCopter t1_jaltokw wrote
NYPD did this, (kettling, imprisonment in vans with no bathroom breaks, and more I can’t remember), in 2004 during the Republican National Convention. They were sued and eventually lost. Lots of tax payer money has been lost over the years to law suits due to NYPD heavy handedness, politics, escalation tactics. Does anyone remember the 2008 body slamming that briefly hit the mainstream news and then vanished?
(2018) https://gothamist.com/news/10-years-ago-a-cop-bodyslammed-a-cyclist-during-critical-mass-ride
(2008) https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/17/youtube.cyclist.cop/index.html
snoberto77 t1_jalw162 wrote
Spit facts homie
BooflessCatCopter t1_jalxd6r wrote
Before i recount this experience i just want to clarify i know that many, many others have had it much much worse and my heart goes out to them. I was super lucky, but at the same time never a trouble maker and just wanted to keep a low profile, peacefully participate/march, listen to speakers and observe.
I’ve experienced just what you described years ago in 2011 at Liberty Plaza, (Zuccotti Park). I’m a quiet person, much more so at that time. I had no signs, no offensive t-shirt or clothing, no long hair, no amplifying devices, no drugs, wasn’t drinking, they weren’t making an announcement, closing down the park for night. It wasn’t racial, we were the same race. I racked my brain for a long time after, analyzing what reason this officer had to do what he did. I have no idea to this day why this white shirt chose me, but it was super weird and surreal just like much of Occupy Wall Street was.
I was standing in one of the concrete brick bench circles, (i don’t know if they are still there or if the park has been given a makeover), at the NE corner of the park. A white shirt officer walked up to me inside that circle and i had no where to go, i was backed up against the bench. All he did was stand still, right in front of me, look me right in the eyes and stare, inches away, for what seemed like an eternity. I must have made a gesture looking behind me to try to show that I don’t have anywhere to go, but that didn’t faze this guy at all.
I can’t remember what else i did except just stand there and wait until he gave up on whatever his goal was. No words were even exchanged. I wanted to show this ape that I wasn’t afraid and would not take the bait. I kept my mouth shut and patiently waited and i either squeezed backward, awkwardly climbing out of that pinned position, scraping up my shoes or he walked away. I mostly just remember being pinned, the stare with arms crossed, silence and looking down at me like i was a cockroach.
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Silvery_Silence t1_jam52sg wrote
Cool well there is more than enough video and other evidence to prove many cops literally assaulted protestors when there was no cause so your experience doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
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Oxylaudid t1_jamg7yc wrote
Where does the city get the money to give all these degenerate "protesters" a hand out. The only hand out they should get is a 3 hots and a cot. (SPIT!)
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PauI_MuadDib t1_jamlk6a wrote
I'd like to remind everyone that the NYPD cost NYC taxpayers over 121 million in lawsuit settlements last year, breaking a 5 year record. That 121 million does not include the cost of the lawsuits, only the settlements.
If you're sick of your tax dollars being flushed by the NYPD then email/call your senator and ask them to support NY Senate Bill 182, which would repeal Qualified Immunity throughout NYS.
https://www.nysenate.gov/find-my-senator.
Take 5-10 minutes out of your day and contact your senator. The bill's sponsor, Sen. Robert Jackson, has said Dems are prepared to use their supermajority to override Hochul's veto if it comes to that. So every vote will count.
Call, email, tweet, whatever. Just let them know to look into supporting NY SB 182.
Let's hope the NYPD doesn't break this same record in 2023.
PauI_MuadDib t1_jammxwa wrote
Taxpayers will pay the deductible, and the insurance will cover the rest while jacking up the premiums, which taxpayers also pay for. This cost us big.
PauI_MuadDib t1_jamnnm7 wrote
Nurses pay it. EMTs pay it. Personal chefs, life guards, teachers, financial advisors, lawyers, journalists, plumbers, electricians, etc. all pay for liability insurance just like 100s of other professions.
bangbangthreehunna t1_jamqq6x wrote
Discovery laws.
Meme_enjoyer9683 t1_jamvjpk wrote
Next time don't terrorize protesters. Protests should be able to happen.
Grass8989 t1_janaodi wrote
Almost none of those professions pay for liability insurance out of their own pocket.
mowotlarx OP t1_janb520 wrote
The info on de Blasio's daughter wasn't published because of discovery laws. The NYPD illegally leaked her immediate arrest record to SBA who then tweeted it. Maybe read up on the issue you're arguing about. This was discussed at length.
mowotlarx OP t1_janb9nv wrote
>Do you read
You 100% didn't read anything about the actual situation with Chiara and the data leak. And yet here you are with Do YoU ReAd. Do...literally anything, if you won't do "better."
Here's a quote from the article you refuse to read:
>The Police Department does not normally release internal police reports, and Ms. de Blasio’s contained personal details, including her height, weight, address, date of birth and driver’s license information.
>The post was removed for violation of Twitter rules, and the union’s account was suspended Monday morning.
QueenOfKarnaca t1_janhblo wrote
Were you actually even there? Because what I saw with my own eyes was people driving in cars who then got out and smashed windows and threw things in trucks.
I know that this was NOT the protesters, because we all marched from Roxbury to the common on foot.
I saw all this as I was running through the streets of downtown crossing as police chased us and countless others, spraying pepper spray and assaulting people violently with batons. Literally everyone was trying to leave like they told us to, but police had barricaded and blocked off nearly every street, then they assaulted us.
One officer even bragged about hitting people with his car, before another officer realized his body cam was on and they tried to cover it up.
The protesters were peaceful. Awful people who were not even associated with the protests drove in and caused the vast majority of any damage done to property. The majority of damage done to people was committed by the police against the peaceful protestors. They trapped us and then assaulted us with no cause whatsoever.
Run for your life in the streets when you’ve done nothing wrong, then get back to me with your thoughts.
WickhamAkimbo t1_jankdm6 wrote
Videos that I took yes, although I don't intend to upload them publicly. Many of the protestors that spoke to me asked me not to upload it.
WickhamAkimbo t1_jankihk wrote
I didn't say that it didn't happen, it provably did. I very much question the idea that it occurred with enough regularity to justify throwing the entire NYPD under the bus.
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That’s what they are doing now. This would change that.
Silvery_Silence t1_jant65y wrote
Lol there are tons of videos. I posted the link somewhere else in this thread. But if you want to doubt vídeo evidence feel free. Because cops are so good at accountability right? They didn’t get thrown under the bus give me a break. Police brutality helps no one including the police force.
WickhamAkimbo t1_jaoayxq wrote
I just said that I don't doubt the evidence. I doubt that it represents a majority of NYPD behavior or anywhere near enough frequency to judge the entire police force. I'm happy to see evidence used to hold individual officers accountable and punish bad actors.
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It was very widespread. No one said it was the “entire force”, do you know how large the force is? You seem mighty quick to absolve “the police.” It was absolutely widespread this has been widely reported as well as investigated. But yeah totally just a few bad apples. Let me know if you need any more receipts of this well documented failure at pretty much all levels to the police response here. There were multiple investigations that found widespread police abuse and look at that, only this week the nypd is about to pay a record settlement over their actions.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/14/nyregion/nypd-george-floyd-protests.html
- An independent New York City police review board has recommended that the department punish dozens of officers for excessive use of force and other alleged misconduct during protests that followed the 2020 murder of George Floyd, according to a report released on Monday.
“Among the complaints, officers were found to have used batons and pepper spray on peaceful protesters in 140 instances. Dozens of allegations of abuse of authority, including officers refusing to identify themselves, concealing their badges and making false or misleading statements, were also substantiated, the report by Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB) said.”
Silvery_Silence t1_jape3zw wrote
Does hundreds of victims of violence that the nypd is about to settle with mean anything to you? Is that not widespread enough to signal systemic problems with the force?
Silvery_Silence t1_japelhk wrote
This is only one incident and involved hundreds of protestors lol. But yeah tell me again how this isn’t a systemic police problem.
WickhamAkimbo t1_japl404 wrote
Happy to give it a watch and give a more detailed response tomorrow. Off the bat, not super impressed with HRW's language covering the incident, which is just excessively biased in favor of protestors with apparently no interest in covering the events dispassionately and accurately. Maybe that's to be expected from a group that probably considers itself pretty anti-cop.
Yes, I don't think the NYPD have a systemic problem with excessive use of force. I interacted with them too many times in too many contexts for your claim to be statistically possible. I saw consistent use restraint in their actions and justifiable force when it was deployed. The abuse from dozen-plus protests I saw was coming solely from protestors (in the form of verbal abuse). That's an actually accurate accounting coming from someone that doesn't really prefer one group over the other.
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Silvery_Silence t1_jawirq8 wrote
Haha, it’s the good old “my anecdotal experience is definitely more relevant and true than literally multiple investigations finding widespread abuse of power during the BLM protests of 2020.” You don’t want actual sources. You just want to pretend you’re right.
The HRW source was one source only. How about the gigantic payout/settlement? Pretty sure they wouldn’t settle a case they were confident about winning. I also posted a link to dozens of videos of cops bearing people up, sometimes the person being assaulted is merely standing there doing nothing before.
Police brutality apologists aren’t my thing.
mowotlarx OP t1_jahsqwp wrote
Read story here for free
>New York City has agreed to pay $21,500 to each of hundreds of demonstrators who were penned in by the police in the Bronx during racial justice protests in 2020, then charged at or beaten with batons, according to a legal settlement.
>If a judge approves the settlement filed in federal court late Tuesday, the amount would be one of the highest ever awarded per person in a class action case of mass arrests, and could cost the city between $4 million and $6 million.
>The case concerned roughly 300 people who were arrested on June 4, 2020, in the Mott Haven neighborhood of the Bronx during protests against the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police officers the week before. His death set off protests across the country, including in New York, where thousands of people demonstrated in May and June.