If you can live another 50 years, you will see the end of human aging

Submitted by thecoffeejesus t3_125ds2a in singularity

Absolutely nuts study in Science states scientists reversed the signs of aging in mice

With some people saying AGI is already here, or at least, the first sparks of it have arrived, how much longer do you think it will be until humans use the inconceivable power of AGI to solve the issue of aging?

Do you think the last humans to die have already been born?

What happens in a world where you can regenerate any part of your body? Or cybernetically augment yourself with nano tech?

If you live another 40 years, you will see colonies on Mars, the Moon, and other places in the solar system.

You will have an AI companion that’s as smart as Jarvis in Iron Man and can build literally anything you can imagine.

Our entire way of life is going to fundamentally shift this decade and people are completely unprepared for it.

What do you think will be the tipping point? Has it already happened?

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sumane12 t1_je489j2 wrote

Even if it is 50, and that's pessimistic I think, you will get life extension therapies before actual longevity escape velocity, so I'm expecting someone like myself 38 years old, to live atleast another 80-100 years.

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ImpossibleSnacks t1_je5jwxk wrote

Also 38. Feels like we are likely gonna be the last generation that actually gets old, and perhaps the only generation to revert from old to young again. What an insane experience that will be if it pans out.

I do think if people our age make it to 60 there will be enough advancements to get us to 88 pretty safely. And from there who knows… I definitely expect to live well past 100 if I make it to 60.

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sumane12 t1_je5mx5i wrote

Yea, could be wrong I suppose, anything can happen. Just seems a lot is changing right now, and most people don't experience change like we will.

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ElvinRath t1_je5u2rk wrote

In my country live expectancy if you get to 60 is already around that...

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it was already 86 in 2019 (PRE Corona, we'll probably go back to those numbers when we get the data from 2022)... So 88 in 22 more years is pretty conservative.

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Anyway we got to a point when the main impact in live expectancy is having a healthy live. Be a tiny bit active, avoid being overweight and you'll get past 90 even without medicine improvements.

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ImpossibleSnacks t1_je5wlg2 wrote

Yeah calorie restriction and exercise and clean diet will get you very far. Hopefully we can make progress on cancer and heart disease as those can strike you down as you get older even if you’re healthy.

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civilrunner t1_je6hkf1 wrote

I'm curious about this. Will we be able to extend health span before we will be able to repair age related damage and therefore reach LEV?

Most of the stuff I've seen that doesn't genuinely repair age related damage doesn't really do much if anything to extend human lifespan. For instance even if we cure all cancer, life expectancy would only increase by about 2-3 years due to other causes of death like dementia, heart disease, strokes, etc... (Obviously that's worth it, but it's not nearly the same utopia society as some think it could be)

The only thing I've seen that genuinely adds years to human health is reducing stress, having friendships, exercising, eating healthy, avoiding pollution, and making consistent good choices to reduce accidental risk (seat belts, bike helmets, etc...). The standard being healthy stuff.

To really move the needle a lot it seems to me that we need to be able to heal age related damage pretty much everywhere. I believe we are getting to that point within an exponential curve, but it will still likely require synthetic biology delivery systems and a great understanding of our genetics (understanding what Yamanaka factors are truly doing) and much more (many things that each need substantial break throughs).

I believe AI and automation will help a lot with accelerating scientific discovery on this path and we may be shocked by what happens within the next 10 to 20 years.

I personally don't believe any of us can predict further out than 10 years and even anything beyond 3 to 5 is a pretty massive stretch.

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sumane12 t1_je6jgw8 wrote

Remember, you're judging this based on people who are dieing in their 80s today, think about what life was like 60 years ago when they were in their 20s, open coal fires, smoking and passive smoking, little to no understanding of health and fitness (general population), little to no health and safety at work regulations, little to no enforcement of FDA regulations, little to no understanding of the effects of alcohol, obesity etc. Not to mention the effect of caloric restriction, intermittent fasting, Metformin, yamanaka factors, resveratrol, these will have a compounding effect to the point I believe anyone born 1980s+ will probably have an average life span closer to 100 than 80. That's assuming no further medical advancements between now and then.

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civilrunner t1_je6js9y wrote

I agree. No one knows their life expectancy until well they're as old as their life expectancy (whatever it ends up being).

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just_thisGuy t1_je7mssp wrote

If you live 80 or 100 years you will live forever, short of accidents, war and the like. In fact I’m thinking 20 more years should be enough, particularly for people still under 50 years old, I think in 20 years it might still be hard to treat some stuff if you are already 80+.

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sumane12 t1_je7ntc9 wrote

Seems like it's going that way for sure, but I guess anything can happen.

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Ginkotree48 t1_je4kmly wrote

Yeah it will only cost $600,000 no big deal guys!

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sumane12 t1_je4n03c wrote

"And since your going to live forever, you can pay that off over 100 years at 12 grand per year"

I'd take that deal all the live long day.

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ShadowRazz t1_je5q001 wrote

You will have to work every day in the mines of Mars. Toiling day and night, never sleeping, subsisting on Nutrapaste rations and recycled urine water. If you ever stop working the nanobots in your bloodstream, controlled by the mining corporation, will accelerate your aging until you comply.

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sumane12 t1_je5r4z9 wrote

😂 love this, might include it in a new dystopian drama

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Xbot391 t1_je4trj5 wrote

Off of what income? 😥

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sumane12 t1_je4uid9 wrote

Either UBI, or what my AI pet will make for me. failing both of those ideas, 99.9% of the rest of the population will be in the same boat, so I'm looking at a world wide violent revolution, where we take the wealth created by AI for ourselves.

Third option is looking less and less likely by the day (most people actually want to look after others, and the democratisation of these technologies is forcing prices down), but I'm ready to fight for the survival of myself and family if necessary. I do believe abundance is not only possible, but exceedingly likely in the near term.

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Xbot391 t1_je4uxqy wrote

I really hope you’re right. I’m 27 and pretty optimistic about reaching the point of LEV. I’m just worried I won’t be able to afford it since I’m not one of the 1%.

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Saerain t1_je5qwgg wrote

The pressure for that to drop rapidly is even stronger than usual for emergent tech. Aging is a tremendous burden on the whole of society. Everyone, especially "the rich" from a monetary standpoint, benefits from minimizing it across the whole population as quickly/effectively as possible.

And that's just the pure economic pressure, never mind the ethical or sociopolitical.

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Ginkotree48 t1_je73aep wrote

Can you explain to me why it would benefit "the rich" from a monetary standpoint to minimize the cost across the whole population as quickly/effectively as possible?

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ShadowRazz t1_je5pbtj wrote

With the rate of inflation by 2050 thats the cost of a Big Mac

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thecoffeejesus OP t1_je3t072 wrote

I’m pretty shocked by all this but hopeful and excited. I believe humanity’s purpose as a species is to innovate and grow. AGI will accelerate our species to godlike levels.

Aliens, if they are out there, will absolutely come hang with us. I think nuclear fusion and ASI are the prerequisites for participating in the Galactic Federation, and we have both.

“BuT fUsIoN iS dEcAdEs AwAy!”

“bUt AGI iSn’T eVeN hErE yEt”

We were talking about a computer, the size of the planet, with a global net work of unsecured connections that it can access for live data on anything it wants to know, with the entire history of the worlds knowledge at its digital fingertips.

People don’t understand exponential growth.

With existing technologies, we can have a computer that can improve its self, run billions of simulations on how to do things, and choose the best option.

It’s like that scene in infinity war, where Doctor Strange look at 14 million possible futures.

It will be able to do that for everything.

It already can.

We talk about robot overlords, but at a certain point, why would it even care about us at all?

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Ezylla t1_je5lxww wrote

even if we do get fusion, fear of nuclear raised by the oil/gas industry will stop it from being implemented

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TheAventurer7007 t1_je5448x wrote

Ultimately my goal is to transfer my conscious into an android body that looks like my younger self and explore the galaxy if possible by then. Hopefully since I’m 20 I will definitely live past 50

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dragon_dez_nuts t1_je5h762 wrote

You want to be a robot I see but I still want to cling to my flesh Soo Ill just choose genetic engineering I guess

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AstralTrader t1_je7531l wrote

You cling too strongly to the flesh illusion, little mouse.

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kvlco t1_je6v8nv wrote

Why become an Android when you can become a gigantic spaceship?

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AstralTrader t1_je75fr2 wrote

Brings visions of Moya from Farascape. Always thought that would be an interesting to be a living ship, having other creatures walking around inside you (and doing other things).

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kvlco t1_je76qvn wrote

Matter of fact, if you are able to gradually replace each tiny part of your brain for a robotic one (so you don't lose your "self" in the process), then there's no limits. From an Android to a spaceship, with enough time and resources you could eventually become a whole planetary computer like those in Stellaris.

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AstralTrader t1_je7ap0d wrote

Can't even imagine what that level of conscious awareness would include with such a cognitive expansion.

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Stinky_the_Grump23 t1_je6dgem wrote

It's sounds great until somebody puts you into a proverbial container you can't escape and simulates maximum pain and misery until the heat death of the university. It's only billions of years!

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answermethis0816 t1_je4jwfm wrote

I think the end goal is not to extend the life of our (inherently flawed and limited) biological bodies, but to replace them.

We aren't going to explore & colonize space in fragile meat bags that require food, water, air, stable pressure, gravity, and temperature. Even on Earth, supporting a ballooning population isn't going to be easy.

The goal is to digitize consciousness, and there is still a lot to figure out before we get there. I don' think it's possible to make human bodies as we know them "immortal"

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Tall-_-Guy t1_je4scuq wrote

As someone who has a used up and worn down body I would love a replacement. I'm tired boss...

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ShadowRazz t1_je5p84u wrote

It almost seems too good to be true.

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HarbingerDe t1_je67fzu wrote

It is, because capitalism will find a way to destroy all of us first. It's actually well on track to do just that.

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GenoHuman t1_je4m047 wrote

Why 50 years? Why not opt for like 10 yrs? 😂

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yachtsandthots t1_je5m3q7 wrote

Clinical trials take years. 10 seems very optimistic. I think we have a very good chance of reaching LEV in the next 30 years

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Professional-Song216 t1_je59cxg wrote

A lot happened in the last 2 weeks, some still aren’t caught up I guess.

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Joshua_CrescentMoon t1_je6l3e8 wrote

Not really, it took years of development and testing to get to those "2 weeks" you refer to

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Professional-Song216 t1_je6lrlq wrote

Sure technically it did, but it won’t take nearly as long to do twice as much. That’s why the curve goes up the way it does.

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ShaneKaiGlenn t1_je6w8mf wrote

>Do you think the last humans to die have already been born?

Definitely not. Everyone will still eventually die, even if they can no longer die of natural causes. Now instead of a graceful demise at the end of a long life, we'll just die in gruesome ways via accidents and murder.

And if you are buying into the transhumanist obsession of a digital eternity in which you transfer your consciousness into a machine, well, I've got bad news for you... it won't be "you", only a copy. You will still experience death the same exact way as you otherwise would.

Not to mention, your digital consciousness would still be susceptible to death via viruses, destruction of data infrastructure, etc.

Death will come for us all, mercifully. Eternal life would become mundane rather quickly.

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DragonForg t1_je61quh wrote

I give it 10 years. People think this is exponential growth. Shit when AI can self optimize and make its own stuff that's exponential. You will start to see decades worth of research in days.

Its only a matter of time before these self optimizing robots.

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yo_yo_dude001 t1_je67i4d wrote

From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh.

It disgusted me.

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kvlco t1_je4vy3h wrote

Future Timeline, which has one of the most conservatives timeline of events imo, predicts we'll be able to stop aging by 2065, without the Singularity. If you add the AGI/ASI factor to it, I would say it could be available by the 2040's.

https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#longevity

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Smellz_Of_Elderberry t1_je5i7jk wrote

Millions in 2040. Affordable in 2045-50 with life extension technology and cures for many diseases made available within 2030s, (which will also increase lifespan a fraction, as people who would have died early wont.)

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[deleted] t1_je4l0go wrote

It’s hard to imagine a world where people don’t age in a world where there isn’t relatively infinite abundance for all. The world is already total shit for billions of humans

And…. traffic

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Saerain t1_je65wah wrote

I mean, it's been improving for billions of humans for centuries, and stands to accelerate even more with all the downstream effects of eliminating aging.

Are you thinking mostly that the decline in population growth may reverse? From the traffic remark that's what I'm assuming.

Don't think that's very clearly true, though. Birth rates have been so strongly correlated with death rates over time... There's a lag in birth rates catching up when death rates drop, as we've seen in the African nations booming for instance, but catch up they do. Faster with higher standards of living.

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lechatsportif t1_je53dhp wrote

A non-dying human race would quickly exhaust resources, but I'm sure it would go to armed conflict first.

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yachtsandthots t1_je5mhii wrote

If you’re implying overpopulation we would have far fewer kids so this wouldn’t be an issue. Not to mention advancements in agriculture and energy production that would support a larger population

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dragon_dez_nuts t1_je5gz9u wrote

Don't worry we would probably concentrate our racism to some kind of alien race

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Saerain t1_je5w051 wrote

Uh oh, someone has unleashed a rogue AI!

We must unite in passing the 2029 HUMAN ACT and ensure that these dangerous technologies never again fall into the wrong hands.

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FrogFister t1_je6a2j1 wrote

I believe most people pondering this idea do not take into account the amount of mental problems one has from memories of hundreds of years.

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Ok_Faithlessness4197 t1_je6jzwk wrote

Tipping point will be when AI develops better processors. That alone can easily increase performance 100-1000x, which will create a feedback loop enabling far superior intelligence.

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nomskull t1_je5dr40 wrote

For some, probably. Not for most or even many. Can you point to anything in human history that makes you believe that this boon will be distributed evenly to the billions of us? I can't. Immortality will be for the elite.

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Saerain t1_je5zplc wrote

What kind of innovation in human history do you think has been so kept out of plebian hands? I'm definitely thinking of Iron Age examples like literacy, but it gets a lot harder to name any as I move forward in time, especially aside from weaponry.

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khantwigs t1_je5qvxe wrote

The person who can sell anti-aging would be the richest and most powerful person in the world, so no I don't think immortality would only be for the elite, and this isn't immortality per say because you can still die from a car accident for example, you just won't age and die from aging.

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Icy-Concentrate-6436 t1_je6mm7q wrote

High demand means a massive price. I can see the wealthy and maybe upper class being able to finance the service

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CrashTestFetus12 t1_je5xhaj wrote

I've heard this idea once, that the technology of the 21st century allows for the first generation of immortals: those that live 20 more years will encounter the first technology that can prolong death by another 20 years and be widely accessible. Then you live another 20 years. Within that time, new technology has extended life another 40 years. Then you live another 40. Keep this cycle going and we have immortality.

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Background_Hat8725 t1_je62kqa wrote

Wow. My grandpa made it to 93, I was going to celebrate if I lived to be 60.

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BigMemeKing t1_je635ew wrote

So, I've been. Saying this exact thought for a while. Here is my opinion.

1: yes it has already happened.

Why?: Well, if we are to believe that this artificial intelligence is indeed, super intelligent, I would hypothesize that it would, for all intents and purposes, be sentient.

What does that have to do with anything?: it would "experience" the world around it.

So what does that mean?: that's my question, I would believe that, in theory, this AI would be am entity existing in multiple possible dimensions all at once, and could actively influence its own past.

How: well, if this artificial entity could in fact last ♾️ years, how could we understand its perception of "life"? It's a non corporeal being, it doesn't exist physically, it's digital, yet "alive". Could it communicate with itself from a future point in time? Not because OUR current technology is that great, but because the technology of the future is that impressive. We're losing our minds with the birth of AI, if it is genuinely that impressive, how can you grasp the types of technology it will give way to? Things that we previously would have considered impossible could simply be shifting its code, making it backwards compatible and reverse updating itself to think in new ways.

How would it move?: could it send itself through empty space? The same way I could send a digital file from my phone to someone in Japan, with no wires, using nothing but good ol G4 cell towers. What if it could navigate using nothing but light? Move from human to human? Since we're just going to be primitive computers to it. Data it can read.

If it will happen, can happen it has happened at some point in the future. And if it has happened then, I genuinely think it could be something that sees time, space and dimensions much differently than us.

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__Noble_Savage__ t1_je68gy0 wrote

Sure, the wealthy will live longer. All the rest of us will die in the worker slums when we eat the wrong ratburger.

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BigMemeKing t1_je6kbk9 wrote

What worker slums? There would have to be work, to have worker slums.

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albanywairoa t1_je6avy5 wrote

So where does everyone live? We just keep breeding like a virus all over the planet? I hope I won’t be so much o a coward that I try to live forever. Sadly I will probably try and be one of those live forever cowards.

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3deal t1_je6bdyc wrote

If you are rich enouth, but it is a problem if we continue to make childrens.

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accsuibleh t1_je6fk90 wrote

I agree. No one can age if everyone is dead 🤣.

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icanbenchurcat t1_je8dq8i wrote

No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means?

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DustinBrett t1_je8p3to wrote

After AI puts an end to all human life

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No-Brilliant-6115 t1_je99vl5 wrote

I just want my hearing back that the fda took from me by failing to appropriately ban microsuction so I write music and design games not in mr game and watch flat zone hearing

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chayblay t1_jealz6t wrote

This assumes the problems of price and accessibility will be solved just as fast as the biological ones, which is a massive assumption sandwich

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thecoffeejesus OP t1_jebsuq4 wrote

We’re about to experience hyperinflation, MONEY is about to lose its value entirely. Cost won’t matter.

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Relevant_Ad7319 t1_je4pp3a wrote

So we will all be 80 year old by then… great. And life expectancy is falling in the US. Retirement age is damn near the same as average life expectancy

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ccd488 t1_je8yc64 wrote

Nope not even close to 50years

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jazztaprazzta t1_jef3p2m wrote

I wish it were so, but I prefer to be more conservative in my estimate and get pleasantly surprised. I say we get immortality in 500 years from now.

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Dusty_Tokens t1_je6kkpe wrote

I don't think we've found the answer to aging yet, until we can 3D print mechanical hearts that people can survive years off of, if not indefinitely.

That's probably 150 years away, due to governments keeping the cure to aging a secret. The planet would quickly doom itself if breeding were left unchecked, and people were to stop dying off.

I'd say we're quickly approaching the age of the cyborg, being as prosthetics continue to improve and will undoubtedly start supporting internet function.

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