I’m pretty shocked by all this but hopeful and excited. I believe humanity’s purpose as a species is to innovate and grow. AGI will accelerate our species to godlike levels.

Aliens, if they are out there, will absolutely come hang with us. I think nuclear fusion and ASI are the prerequisites for participating in the Galactic Federation, and we have both.

“BuT fUsIoN iS dEcAdEs AwAy!”

“bUt AGI iSn’T eVeN hErE yEt”

We were talking about a computer, the size of the planet, with a global net work of unsecured connections that it can access for live data on anything it wants to know, with the entire history of the worlds knowledge at its digital fingertips.

People don’t understand exponential growth.

With existing technologies, we can have a computer that can improve its self, run billions of simulations on how to do things, and choose the best option.

It’s like that scene in infinity war, where Doctor Strange look at 14 million possible futures.

It will be able to do that for everything.

It already can.

We talk about robot overlords, but at a certain point, why would it even care about us at all?

50 years? Try 20…

I hope so. 50 would be pushing it for me.

Even if it is 50, and that's pessimistic I think, you will get life extension therapies before actual longevity escape velocity, so I'm expecting someone like myself 38 years old, to live atleast another 80-100 years.

I think the end goal is not to extend the life of our (inherently flawed and limited) biological bodies, but to replace them.

We aren't going to explore & colonize space in fragile meat bags that require food, water, air, stable pressure, gravity, and temperature. Even on Earth, supporting a ballooning population isn't going to be easy.

The goal is to digitize consciousness, and there is still a lot to figure out before we get there. I don' think it's possible to make human bodies as we know them "immortal"

Yeah it will only cost $600,000 no big deal guys!

It’s hard to imagine a world where people don’t age in a world where there isn’t relatively infinite abundance for all. The world is already total shit for billions of humans

And…. traffic

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Why 50 years? Why not opt for like 10 yrs? 😂

"And since your going to live forever, you can pay that off over 100 years at 12 grand per year"

I'd take that deal all the live long day.

So we will all be 80 year old by then… great. And life expectancy is falling in the US. Retirement age is damn near the same as average life expectancy

As someone who has a used up and worn down body I would love a replacement. I'm tired boss...

Off of what income? 😥

So Necrons?

Either UBI, or what my AI pet will make for me. failing both of those ideas, 99.9% of the rest of the population will be in the same boat, so I'm looking at a world wide violent revolution, where we take the wealth created by AI for ourselves.

Third option is looking less and less likely by the day (most people actually want to look after others, and the democratisation of these technologies is forcing prices down), but I'm ready to fight for the survival of myself and family if necessary. I do believe abundance is not only possible, but exceedingly likely in the near term.

I really hope you’re right. I’m 27 and pretty optimistic about reaching the point of LEV. I’m just worried I won’t be able to afford it since I’m not one of the 1%.

Future Timeline, which has one of the most conservatives timeline of events imo, predicts we'll be able to stop aging by 2065, without the Singularity. If you add the AGI/ASI factor to it, I would say it could be available by the 2040's.

https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#longevity

Yeah.

Also, gravitals.

A non-dying human race would quickly exhaust resources, but I'm sure it would go to armed conflict first.

Ultimately my goal is to transfer my conscious into an android body that looks like my younger self and explore the galaxy if possible by then. Hopefully since I’m 20 I will definitely live past 50

A lot happened in the last 2 weeks, some still aren’t caught up I guess.

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For some, probably. Not for most or even many. Can you point to anything in human history that makes you believe that this boon will be distributed evenly to the billions of us? I can't. Immortality will be for the elite.

Well, I'm screwed.

Don't worry we would probably concentrate our racism to some kind of alien race

You want to be a robot I see but I still want to cling to my flesh Soo Ill just choose genetic engineering I guess

Get back in the bed 😏

Millions in 2040. Affordable in 2045-50 with life extension technology and cures for many diseases made available within 2030s, (which will also increase lifespan a fraction, as people who would have died early wont.)

Ditto here.

Also 38. Feels like we are likely gonna be the last generation that actually gets old, and perhaps the only generation to revert from old to young again. What an insane experience that will be if it pans out.

I do think if people our age make it to 60 there will be enough advancements to get us to 88 pretty safely. And from there who knows… I definitely expect to live well past 100 if I make it to 60.

There’s always cryogenic preservation…

The future is a suckers bet

Agree with this timeline. Maybe 5-10 years later but basically yeah, the 2040s are where the truly mindblowing action is gonna be.

even if we do get fusion, fear of nuclear raised by the oil/gas industry will stop it from being implemented

Clinical trials take years. 10 seems very optimistic. I think we have a very good chance of reaching LEV in the next 30 years

If you’re implying overpopulation we would have far fewer kids so this wouldn’t be an issue. Not to mention advancements in agriculture and energy production that would support a larger population

Yea, could be wrong I suppose, anything can happen. Just seems a lot is changing right now, and most people don't experience change like we will.

It almost seems too good to be true.

With the rate of inflation by 2050 thats the cost of a Big Mac

You will have to work every day in the mines of Mars. Toiling day and night, never sleeping, subsisting on Nutrapaste rations and recycled urine water. If you ever stop working the nanobots in your bloodstream, controlled by the mining corporation, will accelerate your aging until you comply.

In such a world would money even matter anymore?

The person who can sell anti-aging would be the richest and most powerful person in the world, so no I don't think immortality would only be for the elite, and this isn't immortality per say because you can still die from a car accident for example, you just won't age and die from aging.

The pressure for that to drop rapidly is even stronger than usual for emergent tech. Aging is a tremendous burden on the whole of society. Everyone, especially "the rich" from a monetary standpoint, benefits from minimizing it across the whole population as quickly/effectively as possible.

And that's just the pure economic pressure, never mind the ethical or sociopolitical.

😂 love this, might include it in a new dystopian drama

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In my country live expectancy if you get to 60 is already around that...

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it was already 86 in 2019 (PRE Corona, we'll probably go back to those numbers when we get the data from 2022)... So 88 in 22 more years is pretty conservative.

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Anyway we got to a point when the main impact in live expectancy is having a healthy live. Be a tiny bit active, avoid being overweight and you'll get past 90 even without medicine improvements.

Uh oh, someone has unleashed a rogue AI!

We must unite in passing the 2029 HUMAN ACT and ensure that these dangerous technologies never again fall into the wrong hands.

Yeah calorie restriction and exercise and clean diet will get you very far. Hopefully we can make progress on cancer and heart disease as those can strike you down as you get older even if you’re healthy.

I've heard this idea once, that the technology of the 21st century allows for the first generation of immortals: those that live 20 more years will encounter the first technology that can prolong death by another 20 years and be widely accessible. Then you live another 20 years. Within that time, new technology has extended life another 40 years. Then you live another 40. Keep this cycle going and we have immortality.

What kind of innovation in human history do you think has been so kept out of plebian hands? I'm definitely thinking of Iron Age examples like literacy, but it gets a lot harder to name any as I move forward in time, especially aside from weaponry.

I give it 10 years. People think this is exponential growth. Shit when AI can self optimize and make its own stuff that's exponential. You will start to see decades worth of research in days.

Its only a matter of time before these self optimizing robots.

Wow. My grandpa made it to 93, I was going to celebrate if I lived to be 60.

So, I've been. Saying this exact thought for a while. Here is my opinion.

1: yes it has already happened.

Why?: Well, if we are to believe that this artificial intelligence is indeed, super intelligent, I would hypothesize that it would, for all intents and purposes, be sentient.

What does that have to do with anything?: it would "experience" the world around it.

So what does that mean?: that's my question, I would believe that, in theory, this AI would be am entity existing in multiple possible dimensions all at once, and could actively influence its own past.

How: well, if this artificial entity could in fact last ♾️ years, how could we understand its perception of "life"? It's a non corporeal being, it doesn't exist physically, it's digital, yet "alive". Could it communicate with itself from a future point in time? Not because OUR current technology is that great, but because the technology of the future is that impressive. We're losing our minds with the birth of AI, if it is genuinely that impressive, how can you grasp the types of technology it will give way to? Things that we previously would have considered impossible could simply be shifting its code, making it backwards compatible and reverse updating itself to think in new ways.

How would it move?: could it send itself through empty space? The same way I could send a digital file from my phone to someone in Japan, with no wires, using nothing but good ol G4 cell towers. What if it could navigate using nothing but light? Move from human to human? Since we're just going to be primitive computers to it. Data it can read.

If it will happen, can happen it has happened at some point in the future. And if it has happened then, I genuinely think it could be something that sees time, space and dimensions much differently than us.

I mean, it's been improving for billions of humans for centuries, and stands to accelerate even more with all the downstream effects of eliminating aging.

Are you thinking mostly that the decline in population growth may reverse? From the traffic remark that's what I'm assuming.

Don't think that's very clearly true, though. Birth rates have been so strongly correlated with death rates over time... There's a lag in birth rates catching up when death rates drop, as we've seen in the African nations booming for instance, but catch up they do. Faster with higher standards of living.

It is, because capitalism will find a way to destroy all of us first. It's actually well on track to do just that.

From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh.

It disgusted me.

Sure, the wealthy will live longer. All the rest of us will die in the worker slums when we eat the wrong ratburger.

I believe most people pondering this idea do not take into account the amount of mental problems one has from memories of hundreds of years.

So where does everyone live? We just keep breeding like a virus all over the planet? I hope I won’t be so much o a coward that I try to live forever. Sadly I will probably try and be one of those live forever cowards.

If you are rich enouth, but it is a problem if we continue to make childrens.

It's sounds great until somebody puts you into a proverbial container you can't escape and simulates maximum pain and misery until the heat death of the university. It's only billions of years!

I agree. No one can age if everyone is dead 🤣.

Try 30, tops.

I'm curious about this. Will we be able to extend health span before we will be able to repair age related damage and therefore reach LEV?

Most of the stuff I've seen that doesn't genuinely repair age related damage doesn't really do much if anything to extend human lifespan. For instance even if we cure all cancer, life expectancy would only increase by about 2-3 years due to other causes of death like dementia, heart disease, strokes, etc... (Obviously that's worth it, but it's not nearly the same utopia society as some think it could be)

The only thing I've seen that genuinely adds years to human health is reducing stress, having friendships, exercising, eating healthy, avoiding pollution, and making consistent good choices to reduce accidental risk (seat belts, bike helmets, etc...). The standard being healthy stuff.

To really move the needle a lot it seems to me that we need to be able to heal age related damage pretty much everywhere. I believe we are getting to that point within an exponential curve, but it will still likely require synthetic biology delivery systems and a great understanding of our genetics (understanding what Yamanaka factors are truly doing) and much more (many things that each need substantial break throughs).

I believe AI and automation will help a lot with accelerating scientific discovery on this path and we may be shocked by what happens within the next 10 to 20 years.

I personally don't believe any of us can predict further out than 10 years and even anything beyond 3 to 5 is a pretty massive stretch.

Remember, you're judging this based on people who are dieing in their 80s today, think about what life was like 60 years ago when they were in their 20s, open coal fires, smoking and passive smoking, little to no understanding of health and fitness (general population), little to no health and safety at work regulations, little to no enforcement of FDA regulations, little to no understanding of the effects of alcohol, obesity etc. Not to mention the effect of caloric restriction, intermittent fasting, Metformin, yamanaka factors, resveratrol, these will have a compounding effect to the point I believe anyone born 1980s+ will probably have an average life span closer to 100 than 80. That's assuming no further medical advancements between now and then.

I agree. No one knows their life expectancy until well they're as old as their life expectancy (whatever it ends up being).

Tipping point will be when AI develops better processors. That alone can easily increase performance 100-1000x, which will create a feedback loop enabling far superior intelligence.

What worker slums? There would have to be work, to have worker slums.

I don't think we've found the answer to aging yet, until we can 3D print mechanical hearts that people can survive years off of, if not indefinitely.

That's probably 150 years away, due to governments keeping the cure to aging a secret. The planet would quickly doom itself if breeding were left unchecked, and people were to stop dying off.

I'd say we're quickly approaching the age of the cyborg, being as prosthetics continue to improve and will undoubtedly start supporting internet function.

Death of the university, i sure hope so

Not really, it took years of development and testing to get to those "2 weeks" you refer to

Sure technically it did, but it won’t take nearly as long to do twice as much. That’s why the curve goes up the way it does.

Don't forget about the new McCrispy sandwich.

High demand means a massive price. I can see the wealthy and maybe upper class being able to finance the service

The poor will make a living giving handjobs and selling or trading for food.

Why become an Android when you can become a gigantic spaceship?

>Do you think the last humans to die have already been born?

Definitely not. Everyone will still eventually die, even if they can no longer die of natural causes. Now instead of a graceful demise at the end of a long life, we'll just die in gruesome ways via accidents and murder.

And if you are buying into the transhumanist obsession of a digital eternity in which you transfer your consciousness into a machine, well, I've got bad news for you... it won't be "you", only a copy. You will still experience death the same exact way as you otherwise would.

Not to mention, your digital consciousness would still be susceptible to death via viruses, destruction of data infrastructure, etc.

Death will come for us all, mercifully. Eternal life would become mundane rather quickly.

Can you explain to me why it would benefit "the rich" from a monetary standpoint to minimize the cost across the whole population as quickly/effectively as possible?

You cling too strongly to the flesh illusion, little mouse.

Brings visions of Moya from Farascape. Always thought that would be an interesting to be a living ship, having other creatures walking around inside you (and doing other things).

Matter of fact, if you are able to gradually replace each tiny part of your brain for a robotic one (so you don't lose your "self" in the process), then there's no limits. From an Android to a spaceship, with enough time and resources you could eventually become a whole planetary computer like those in Stellaris.

Can't even imagine what that level of conscious awareness would include with such a cognitive expansion.

If you live 80 or 100 years you will live forever, short of accidents, war and the like. In fact I’m thinking 20 more years should be enough, particularly for people still under 50 years old, I think in 20 years it might still be hard to treat some stuff if you are already 80+.

Seems like it's going that way for sure, but I guess anything can happen.

Super AI TherapyBot. All mental problems solved.

!remind me!

20 years

Congratulations; you've found "God". ;)

See but not touch, I ain't got that immortality money

No one lives forever, no one. But with advances in modern science and my high level income, it's not crazy to think I can live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means?

Lion Electric Company?

You will see the end of humans. Period.

After AI puts an end to all human life

Nope not even close to 50years

I just want my hearing back that the fda took from me by failing to appropriately ban microsuction so I write music and design games not in mr game and watch flat zone hearing

I have been saying that got a minute now.

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This assumes the problems of price and accessibility will be solved just as fast as the biological ones, which is a massive assumption sandwich

We’re about to experience hyperinflation, MONEY is about to lose its value entirely. Cost won’t matter.

that's just dumb

I wish it were so, but I prefer to be more conservative in my estimate and get pleasantly surprised. I say we get immortality in 500 years from now.