Submitted by Vegetable-Ratio-5857 t3_120b603 in washingtondc
10 men shot in 6 separate incidents between 3:43pm-10:16pm tonight in Washington, D.C. At least one of them has died: https://twitter.com/AllisonPapson/status/1639099705832665089
Waiting for the comments about how things were worse in the 80s.
Woah I live above the Safeway and didn’t hear about that. What time approximately?
Killmoenetwork posted it at 1am.
Unsure of exact time.
The voice of the people!
Remember when he fully made up an Ebola outbreak in DC and then got super mad and doubled down when people fact checked him?
Was pretty wild. Maybe should stay away from medical news. 😆
Pretty accurate on crime though.
Almost time for another “IM QUITTING. CANT DO THIS ANYMORE. IM MY OWN ENTERPRISE.” Episode
All jokes aside. Def appreciate that dude keeping his ear to the street. And talking about issues that matter to DC people not just the latte sippers uptown.
“15 best DC Brunchs” “Preserving Downtown greenspace, why we can’t support homeless encampments” “50 reasons Why it’s cool to be a NIMBY”
Hahahahaha yupppp.
I'm surprised to not read anything in that article about NoMa last night. I heard more than a dozen shots fired near 4th and Florida NE around midnight, followed by screeching tires and then almost immediately a helicopter.
Was waiting for someone to mention this. Heard it and wasn’t sure if it was gunshots or not
Heard those too - me and a friend were out by 4th and Union St and they could have been more than a block or two away. First time since living in DC I’ve been that close to a shooting.
Why does every crime post have to be coupled with someone being ignorant about the history of crime in DC or the legal process? I get that crime is ramping up and it can be very scary but I don’t understand why every crime post needs to have some stupid sarcastic tag that helps no one and usually isn’t even accurate. Cause the early 90s were the murder capital crack era, not the 80s. The 80s were relatively peaceful comparatively. The constant misinformation and calls for action in every crime post just makes me think this sub is being brigaded by people who don’t live here or who just moved here and have no interest in actually engaging with or improving their community.
I think the sentiment is still valid. The idea that whats happening now is still better then when DC was the murder capital is frequently cited on these posts. But that ignores the intervening years including recent history when carjackings, violent assaults, robberies and murders were much much lower. Living through a trough makes it painful to live near a peak. People can feel how much of this doesn’t have to happen. Couple that with opiates and tranquilizers that are so powerful rehabilitation and maintenance therapy doesn’t even seem like a viable public health option, it just doesn’t seem like its getting better anytime soon.
Good post - “At least we aren’t the murder capital anymore” isn’t much of a slogan.
"Come to DC! It's not as bad as it could be!"
“Free Train rides for anyone who DGAF about gates and norms!”
Even 5-10 years ago compared to today is much better it seems though. At least it looks better from over here (Baltimore)... You guys have your shit together compared to us!
DC so far has 50 homicides vs the 59 you guys have. Not so different as everybody pretends it to be
You are only half right. The murder spike was in the 90s but the crack epidemic (Rayful Edmond) was in the 80s. If you are going got be dismissive and condescending at least be right.
Because there is a very vocal segment on this sub that plays down any post on crime by pointing to higher historical numbers, as if that’s supposed to be some consolation to DC residents living through the current crime spike.
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I don’t think your main complaint is that they got the years wrong in their sarcastic comment.
Someone who moved here last week and someone who’s lived here their whole life are both completely valid in being concerned about escalating violence
All of reddit is brigaded by people and bots just farming karma
*stares into mirror* "Am...am I a bot?"
I've been here 11 years I might as well be a bot
As somebody else who's been here for 11 years, can confirm, your soul is confiscated at 8.5 years. Am now bot.
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90s was maybe its peak here but the 80s was the period that really defined that era. With that said, you're right to assume those things about most people here but you know why they act like this. We all do. Not maybe not from around here, some are only here because of the gentrification that's been going on and wasn't around back then. They are an entitled bunch that likes to play ignorant in favor of being imaginary victims that lie about what's really the issue they have. That wants the city in their image.
All on a Thursday.
Here comes Friday and Saturday. Check back in 48 hours.
Its going to rain. Probably decrease until Sunday. But spring has started with a bang…
Que the dirt bikes
I’ve seen 4 already. 🤦🏾♀️
That’s it?
I’m about to call Fox News on those things since DC doesn’t want to do anything about them
Rain will help calm it down just wait for the first really nice weekend….
It's gonna be a wild summer indeed
I was thinking about that. Whatever happens in the cold gets substantially worse in the summer.
But if it wasn't for how safe this city is, there would have been so many more people shot and killed!
Thank god more speed cameras are coming in, amirite?! /s
Unrelated issue that also deals with an element of public safety?
But "absolutely do nothing anywhere ever until we 'solve crime' which has no clear policy answer and almost all proposals bear out over extended periods of time."
I moved here 14 months ago. First thing someone told me was to stay far away from SE 🔫😐
😭😭 They told me the same thing & I witnessed my first car jacking in NE, my first time seeing someone get shot in NW, & then my first time seeing a cop pull out a gun on someone was in SW…… I have yet to witness a crime in SE
where do you spend your time? just statistically there is the most crime in SE
I actually live in SE now? Right by Anacostia high school. I will say, however, the area is definitely becoming more & more gentrified. There’s a house that literally just sold for almost 900k
surprise! the crime is everywhere !
It's nice in the Palisades.
There are parts of SE that are safer than parts of NW.
That is outdated advice. Crime is everywhere.
Sounds like you talked to a specific type of DCer.
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I recall seeing a joke map of DC a while back where “everything east of the river” was just labeled “Zone Of Perceived Danger”
Good advice
Yeah, that is def outdated info, that was the wild wild 80’s.
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Pretty dumb advice, considering southeast has some nice and safe areas. I think people who give that advice say “SE” when they mean “EOTR”
There are some good parts in the southeast. The Anacostia river is usually where the dividing line is, and even that area is getting better.
Eh, homicide have almost quadrupled compared to 10 years ago according to crime stats EOTR.
Lol
In the eyes of the DC government, the shooters are the real victims here, not the 10 men shot.
The difference between the 80s and 90s and now is that those in charge back then were at least trying to stop the killings/shootings/etc.
Now the shooters are systematic victims and need a thoughtful approach to justice /s
All but one EoTR, fwiw.
It’s a mistake to discount NW. a few years ago there were more shootings west of the river. KDY and CRD get it in. It’s gonna be a long summer.
I mean, population wise it would make sense that there’s more crime WOTR. But that’s just not how things be.
Go where the good stuff is and maybe not shitting where you eat? A lot of stolen cars end up on my street but no one steals cars off my street. (EOTR-NE)
What’s CRD here?
CRT Crittenden
How many shooting have been at 14/V over the last couple years? I wonder why police refuse to care. It makes me think they want this to happen. It would be so easy to stop it. Would they move somewhere else? I dunno, maybe. Isn’t it worth trying though?
What are the easy steps to solve it?
Place a larger-than-necessary police presence (on foot) on that corner. Done.
Ah, okay. So I put 5 cops there around the clock. They're on overtime right? And that's going to be forced overtime I'm thinking. Otherwise I'm taking 5 cars out of service a shift.
You are right that this is will stop the shootings on the southwest corner of 14th and V. But what happens when they move to 14th and W. Do I hold V St and add four cops up there? Or do I move them?
Glad you managed to figure out the complex logistics of placing cops on a street corner. Now that we’ve gotten that far, to your second point, don’t you think it’s worth trying first and crossing your hypothetical bridge when we hypothetically get to it?
>don’t you think it’s worth trying first
You don't think the police have tried being where crimes happen?
Obviously not. Google “14th V Shooting”
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I didn't realize you were serious, sorry. No, its absolutely not worth it. Full Stop.
This method only works if the only goal is to prevent shootings at one corner. I will say it might not work. Some cops have experiences witnessing gunfire from a car or person within 200 feet of them, so not everyone is deterred. But again, this approach is only hopefully deterring this crime at one small location. Then there's the question, what makes this one corner more deserving than entire neighborhoods EOTR?
But saturation is not sustainable, and it doesn't stop the violence usually, it just moves it or maybe hopefully delays it. This is actually more complicated than you think.
Sounds like you have it all figured out detective pickles.
Oh not at all. But I do know enough to know that easy solutions from people not familiar with the work probably aren't that feasible.
Yeah you’re right let’s just stick with the status quo instead of what could be an easy fix for residents who have been absolutely terrorized over the last decade.
Why do you think this is an easy fix?
There is lol
> I wonder why police refuse to care.
because it's a catch and release situation with the prosecutors so why risk your life to put a guy in jail for 10 hours?
Yeah that’s one of the reasons I think that they don’t care. Just gonna let them keep shooting each other I guess.
So the police willfully aren’t doing their job? Why do we need more then?
ya'll seem to think that MPD street cops are also the MPD major crimes unit. it's extremely complicated and political
didn't the AUSA for DC say recently that the reason most cases get dismissed is because of 1) DC's unaccredited crime lab; 2) bad/unconstitutional police work that's being captured on body cams, among other issues?
Obviously it's a complicated issue, but at the end of the day, you have to be able to prove a crime happened in court...
What’s your point
Stating a fact, not making a point. It's not a judgement call to say all but one of these shootings was isolated to a small portion of the city
> a small portion of the city
The vast majority of 2/8 Wards, roughly 1/4 of the population and 1/4 the land area of the city is "a small portion of the city?"
Pull em up on a map. You can walk to at least 2-3 from another.
The “fwiw” seemed like you were trying to add more than just location data … sorry if asking this question upset you
Seems like you’re reading into that. Probably the majority of redditors here are wotr so it’s relevant that it wasn’t more local to this population.
Fwiw says “if you’re nw, it wasn’t around you so maybe that makes you feel better”.
Sorry if this response upsets you. (I don’t mean that, just trying to show you what it sounds like).
I made the comment about my question upsetting them because they seemed so defensive
People on this sub don’t actually care about crime over there
I think most of this sub wishes there were less crime everywhere, more opportunity, more equity, etc.
Most of this sub also wants to know if this happened near their homes as well.
I don’t get why people are jumping on this. Everyone - you included - cares more about crime near your home than crime further away.
You’re not a bad person for that.
DC is my home. 🤷🏾♂️
Sure. And you feel differently, with different intensity, about different parts of the city.
I do?
Probably, yes.
Nahhhh
Lol. Sure.
That was the subtext I read in the comment, but I’m told it was just location data
ThIs Is Dc’S cUlTuRe MoVe To ThE bUrBs If YoU cAn’T HaNdLe It!!?!
I like the burbs.
None on my block this time score!!!
I def heard mad gun shots last night circa 10-11pm in Marshall Heights
I checked Washington Post and WTOP…no mention of any of this. It’s just another bad sign that this is so commonplace, it doesn’t even get coverage.
WaPo had a story on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/23/shootings-southeast-dc-killed/
Thanks!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/23/shootings-southeast-dc-killed/
Ever thought the problem was that you just aren't very good at looking?
Maybe cuz only one dead
As someone who quit twitter recently because of it’s unhinged owner it’s gotten harder for me to get news on incidents in my area of the city
The last thing the Post wants to do is cover crime in DC.
although in this case they did actually cover it, and regularly cover crime in DC. Aside from that, though, spot on
Look at the Post's DC coverage from five years ago to today and you'll how little they actually cover now.
Warm weather, hot crimes.
People shouldn’t be shot.
It WAS worse in the 1990s.
I don’t see the lie in either statement.
The argument isn’t that the statements are not true. It’s that some people point to crime being worse before as a consolation/defense for it being bad now.
Random or targeted?
all of the shootings last night appear targeted and many in retaliation for other shootings
people in this sub aren’t hanging out in simple city or condon terrace
Exactly. Every Reddit looks the same when it comes to crime. You have people in r/Dallas saying the city is soft on crime and no one is trying to do anything. I’m moving to DC next month and I asked people that live in DC currently about crime (a couple were LEO) and some specifically mentioned Reddit and the people obsessed with crime on it. It’s wild.
yeah, shooting and murders are up in every part of the county - red and blue; rich and poor; tough and lax on crime; urban and rural. shit is wild out there; lots o guns, lots of anger; lots o shooting; lots of road rage; etc
everyone thinks it is unique to their own little world. it isn't.
That’s what I figured
Please just post this in all caps every day.
Yeah, but—and hear me out on this— it’s really bad to have bullets flying around the city regardless of who they’re intended for; people in dangerous neighborhoods deserve safety too; and ultimately the more this stuff happens the easier it is for it to break out of these patterns.
Atleast we have 343 new speed cameras coming 😒
Maybe the speed cameras will stop all the shootings
Cameras can be useful to track getaway drivers.
It’s really sad because as I left for a date in DC last night I was thinking about how nice it was out and then my immediate next thought was “people will die tonight.”
That’s why I hangout in NoVA these days
Things were worse, though. Don't think it's wrong to realize we're on an upswing, but still doing better than we had been.
Good thing they are adding 300 traffic cameras to keep us safe
I hate it when the weather gets nice
at some point they're all gonna kill each other right?
Why does this happen when the weather gets nice?
More people hanging out outside. More people partying.
Someone drives by, sees someone they have a beef with. Someone gets "disrespected" at a party, goes to their car and gets their gun.
In the winter when people are hanging out inside, in smaller groups, there are far fewer opportunities for these things.
Because people go outside
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Violent crime generally increases with warmer weather
What happens during Kaine weather?
In a way it was better, because DC was affordable. There were also a lot more affordable, eclectic shops and restaurants.
In any other place, property values drop when crime increases, and vice-versa. Not here.
They will eventually if the city starts driving people away.
Most people that lived in DC 20-25 yrs ago would take over the shit we got now.
Yep. I moved to DC in the 1990s. I knew people who got mugged in Dupont and Foggy Bottom. We were all wary of the city, but going out was cheap and you could rent or buy a place without problem.
Then prices shot up, but at least crime went down. Some people liked the trade off and others hated it, depending a lot on how much money you had.
Expensive and unsafe is a terrible combination, but it won't last long. Either the city fixes the crime problem, or people will leave again and prices will fall.
Don't worry. Charles Allen is focused on e-bike subsidies.
How dare the council have multiple priorities for improving the city
Thug life 💥💥☠️🤡🙄
"Waiting for the comments about how things were worse in the 80s."
You seem to want to have that fight, it was also worse in the 90s as well if that makes you feel better? Not saying that gun violence isn't bad anytime but things can be bad more than once. One does not exclude the other and helps for a larger historical context. I would say knowing the history of crime and violence in the city makes it more important then ever to fix it and get it right, not to sweep it under the rug.
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Need to start installing CC cameras everywhere.
All the cameras in the world won't help unless there's jail time served. The revolving door needs to be jammed.
Do we have a crisis of violence in the District? Are we at that point?
Yup. Been at that point. Just a matter of time til the feds are in. I for one cannot wait for that to start to clean this mess up.
It’s a fact it was worse in the late 80s early 90s. These days they’re shooting not hitting shit. Back then they were more methodical about what they were doing. You probably weren’t here back then to even know.
Quite worse indeed. But that doesn't mean things are acceptable now. DC now being better than things were during the days of the crack epidemic, street turf shootouts, Marion Barry driving the city to insolvency, etc. is like finding out you have the flu instead of long COVID--it could be worse but it still sucks.
ok who cares? that was 40 years ago
Folks just exercising their second amendment
> Waiting for the comments about how things were worse in the 80s.
how many violent crimes have there been YTD? how many violent crimes YTD were there on the same day on average in the last 40 years?
Listen to this person! dc is well known for their accurate reporting on crime statistics. There is no crime increase - it’s all an illusion!
> dc is well known for their accurate reporting on crime statistics.
and randos on the internet are more reliable?
what's your point? we shouldn't be concerned about shootings bc there were more 40 years ago?
DC is known for reckless and dangerous cyclists and carjacking and senseless murders. Please come visit.
Oh man, the DC Bike Mafia is going to get you now…
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Too bad there weren’t enough good guys with guns around or that never would’ve happened /s
Was worse in the 80’s
It was worse in the eighties. Guess you just had to be here vs. your rural hometowns.
It was worse. Early 90s were bad too. Doesn’t mean we have to accept what is now.
I definitely don't mean that we should accept crime. I just get sick of all the pseudo snarky remarks on Reddit.
Oh did I offend you outsiders with my comment? Snowflakes!
At what point did yuppies begin saying “Over the River?” Was it before or after renaming neighborhoods things like “Noma”
here is an example from 1980 so probably well before that
It was 'across the river' for us. But honestly we usually just said 'southeast' and ppl knew we weren't talking about the hill.
Before.
Everyone relax, this is part of being in a city, crime is DOWN, we don’t need police. Gentrifiers have no idea what it’s like in DC. ACAB.
Trolls gonna troll.
Troll? This is my city I’ve lived here my whole life I think the shootings give the city character. Gentrifiers come here and want to complain. Go back home if you don’t like it!
What did the current police do to prevent any of this?
Read through their history, trolls out trolling.
Exactly! Get rid of all of them!
Not the point champ
This is DC culture! If you don’t like shootings, GTFO!
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Also a car-jacking spree yesterday.
Two dudes armed with handguns jacked one over by the Safeway in Hill East before driving EOTR with it.
Wild because that area is pedestrian heavy.