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S3HN5UCHT t1_ixtwfoq wrote

Hell yeah more jobs for americans

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Splatter_1 t1_ixu65uy wrote

Its more security. If china conquers taiwan we wont have to bend over to china then.

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OldGuto t1_ixuvnx6 wrote

Or not bother lifting a finger to actually help Taiwan if the Chinese do actually become properly aggressive. Especially when the fab is in your own country.

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WolfResponsible8483 t1_ixveagr wrote

The fab is probably screwed anyway if war breaks out. There are other reason for defending Taiwan.

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txdv t1_ixvmztu wrote

>Or not bother lifting a finger to actually help Taiwan if the Chinese do actually become properly aggressive. Especially when the fab is in your own country.

If the US says it will back Taiwan, it will.

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Erisagi t1_ixwg20o wrote

For now. Conditions could be different decades from now. Taiwan would be foolish to only rely on America's word and not look out for itself in the long term. We used to have a full defensive alliance with Taiwan and formally recognized them until that was changed under President Carter.

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Deicide1031 t1_ixx5o0a wrote

Taiwan is protecting its self by continuing to dominate the industry. America would definitely show up, and even if they didn’t other western and Asian nations are not gonna be chill with their major supplier being wiped out.

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Nikola_Turing t1_ixw7eao wrote

Taiwan matters far more to the U.S. than simply its semiconductors. Look up the first island chain. Being allied with all the pacific countries near China essentially allows the U.S to box China’s navy into the South China Seas.

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PublicFurryAccount t1_ixy7hvc wrote

That's a Chinese fantasy about their own security that has more to do with Mao-era weirdness than anything else.

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seksismart t1_ixvppaz wrote

The fab facilities will be the first ones to be destroyed to prevent take over.

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Deicide1031 t1_ixx5g4e wrote

Taiwan and the company wouldn’t have signed off on this unless they had another card up their sleeve. People are also assuming the United States will be able to produce the quantities that Taiwan can and that is 100% wrong. It’ll take a long time before they are as efficient. Taiwan will continue to be relevant for a long time to not just westerners but asia as well.

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Armand74 t1_ixw31w9 wrote

That’s not going to happen, the United States will defend Taiwan period!

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dcrm t1_ixwviec wrote

This was always the play.

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WonderSearcher t1_ixxu381 wrote

TSMC actually promised that the world's latest high-end fab making will still be only in Taiwan. By the time when the US starts the 3nm manufacture, Taiwan will start the 1 and 2 nm production. And 2 nm fab plant is already under construction in Hsinchu, Taiwan.

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Splatter_1 t1_ixzvxbc wrote

Then i guess Taiwan will still be defended. Which is good.

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jamiekyn t1_ixtwvse wrote

Most Americans probably don’t want those jobs lmao

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colorabro t1_ixujuh6 wrote

Bro you can work in semi fab with only a high school diploma and still make 70k+ with full benefits. These jobs are definitely sought after. So much money in the semiconductor industry

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Erisagi t1_ixwf69t wrote

Hold on, if it's that good then why did these jobs go overseas? These seem like jobs Americans would certainly want, that could have been created by American companies, and that are well complemented by American education.

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jamiekyn t1_ixush57 wrote

So much money but backbreaking work...and not that much money if you divide by the hours and overtime

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colorabro t1_ixux87y wrote

I wouldn’t call it backbreaking. It’s not as physically demanding compared to something like warehouse work, welding, or construction (speaking from experience). But yeah, the hours are rough. Gotta be OK with shift work and possibly overnight… a lot of people love the freedom of only working 3 or 4 days a week though

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TellMe2GetOffReddit- t1_ixtxnsk wrote

Dare say being a brand new fab a huge chunk of the production line will be autonomous and only need a small selection of skilled staff.

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fillytopper t1_ixtzjk9 wrote

No doubt this is probably will happen and some H1B visas to bring administration in.

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AstralElement t1_ixvc673 wrote

As someone who was in the semiconductor industry, I definitely want to go back to it. Those companies really do value their employees more than most companies.

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zipzoupzwoop t1_ixubs6o wrote

Let's make a push for those poor twitter employees to get these jobs after they've used up their three month severance.

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GossamerSolid t1_ixwb19z wrote

Imagine simping for a billionaire...

You're as dumb as Elon if you think those people will remain unemployed.

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_zenith t1_ixx0c4z wrote

LMAO they will be employed pretty much immediately if they wish

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baphometromance t1_ixty75z wrote

Holy FUCK 3nm?

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Jamus- t1_ixu17mk wrote

Yeah, that's what's most amazing to me. It's getting so small so quickly. 7nm is still epically powerful now. And we're already at less than half that.

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Greedyanda t1_ixu50el wrote

This isn't actually the size. TSMC has changed their naming conventions years ago and the market has followed.

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atlusblue t1_ixub7du wrote

So how does it work or what is the scheme name?

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Shuber-Fuber t1_ixue0yj wrote

https://www.quora.com/Will-the-physical-size-of-the-processors-get-any-smaller-than-7-nano-metres/answer/Yowan-Rajcoomar?ch=15&oid=169904226&share=3d67d0a9&srid=i7kNj&target_type=answer

Basically, "3nm" doesn't refer to actual feature size anymore. It just means that there's an improvement from previous "x-nm" gen (maybe better density, smaller leakage current, faster gate speed, etc).

Because ultimately, it's performance. If you can keep the same size but, say, reduce the gate switching time by half, you functionally just have twice the performance for a given number of transistors.

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poqpoq t1_ixv36gf wrote

So at some point with this convention will we use negative nm? Or will we just drop to 0.9nm 0.8nm etc?

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jared555 t1_ixv9zzo wrote

Picometers would be the next logical step which means they probably won't use it.

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poqpoq t1_ixvc3n0 wrote

Yeah that was why I was wondering about stuff like 0.9nm. Pm won’t be recognizable to consumers and consumers will be confused that it’s a larger number.

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kyler000 t1_ixvsf1y wrote

To be fair, most consumers don't care about the size. They just want a computer/phone that's fast.

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jared555 t1_ixvdlig wrote

Looks like the last time they had to worry about it was around the 386->486 transition.

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glamdivitionen t1_ixwkbau wrote

Nah, we'll probably leave meters altogether and switch to Ångströms pretty soon.

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Lurker_Since_Forever t1_ixwu28x wrote

It's based on transistor density. Something that is twice as dense is sqrt(2) times smaller feature size. So doubling transistor density down from 10 is 10 -> 7 -> 5 -> 3 -> 2 -> measuring it in angstroms or picometers.

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WolfResponsible8483 t1_ixvf1lc wrote

Intel has dropped the "nm" completely. Their 10nm was rename to Intel 7 - it was very similar to TSMC 7nm anyway. Upcoming nodes are named Intel 4 and Intel 3.

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urmyheartBeatStopR t1_ixvbmyc wrote

It's a gimmick not the real size. Anything 5nm and beyond is now just a marketing term for the technology generation like 2.0 and stuff.

They started to stack transistors (3d) and stuff now so they can fit more. It's not like they shrunk it even further yet.

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danielbot t1_ixvttxx wrote

3nm is a bullshit marketing name. The minimum spacing between wires on "3nm" process is 24nm, the minimum spacing between gates is 48nm. Impressive enough, considering that the wavelength of the ultraviolet light used to create the circuits is 13nm. The actual density increase vs 5nm is roughy 1.25.

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Try040221 t1_ixuom4m wrote

TSMC Racing to 1nm, Investing $32 Billion for Fab: Report

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Myrang3r t1_ixvson8 wrote

The nm number marketed by fabs means nothing anymore, the actual transistor size is like 10x that.

We're still a long way from actual 3nm transistors.

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aew360 t1_ixwcvpf wrote

I thought the article said only 5nm in the US but plans to change to 3nm later. Regardless that’s great for the US!

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Frydendahl t1_ixwo2ff wrote

They're setting up a 1nm fab now, will probably start fabricating stuff in 5-7 years or so.

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All_Work_All_Play t1_ixuveof wrote

We're still a few orders of magnitude away from having enough functional qubits. Further, quantum computers are only good at s few specific things, and they'll need fast supporting intermediaries to feed them at reasonable speeds.

Tldr; yes but actually no.

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nerd4code t1_ixwhy52 wrote

QC isn’t TC. If and when it makes it into the general market, it’ll be on an accelerator card. Eventually there’ll probably be stuff built into the same die as the CPU, but there’ll still have to be an actual CPU that drives things.

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Particular-Ad-4772 t1_ixtz79f wrote

This company obviously has major concerns about Chinese invasion.

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[deleted] t1_ixud4dl wrote

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crunchypuddle t1_ixvn1rw wrote

You seem to know so I'll ask.

How did the U.S. twist their arm? Was there something in the news indicating the company was being strong armed?

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_zenith t1_ixx0xnl wrote

It’s not explicit, so far as I’m aware, but there are a number of very public programs to massively fund semiconductor development domestically, so no doubt people there saw the writing on the wall: “hey so if you move here you won’t lose everything if invaded, and also even if you weren’t, if you didn’t move here we would just fund your competitors who did/were already here”

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turtleman777 t1_ixw5kir wrote

Offering billions in government subsidies sure is twisting their arm...

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baphometromance t1_ixty9nv wrote

Also that logo is about as close to being a ballsack as you can be without actually being a ballsack

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fillytopper t1_ixtz0mq wrote

Dirty mind. I immediately think of woven material to hold glass or something spherical, also think of DNA just arranged differently.

But seriously, my thought was you meant that company snuggling up to US (the ballsack) due to political tension.

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baphometromance t1_ixtz3iy wrote

"Dirty mind" your name is literally fillytopper

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fillytopper t1_ixtza7i wrote

Lol, you got me there. But seriously, you haven't seen mesh netting to hold soccer balls?

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EddieMuntz t1_ixvps0d wrote

"Chalom as a symbol

A chalom is a kind of Thai bamboo basket used to carry travel items and goods as it has become a symbol of trade in Thailand since ancient times.

The interlaced bamboo strips are strong, resilient, and durable—all qualities that are necessary to bolster the regional economy and help it grow with “stability, prosperity, and sustainability,” the watchwords of the Thai administration. The 21 openings in between the interwoven bamboo strips signify all 21 member economies in APEC.

The characteristics of chalom also reflect the theme of Thailand’s host year, “Open, Connect, Balance,” as in open trade (signified in blue), connectivity (pink), and balance (green) under the Bio-Circular-Green (BCG) Economic Model.

Meet the designer

Chawanon Wongtrakuljong from the Faculty of Architecture, Chulalongkorn University, who submitted the winning design, explained his rationale.

“If you talk about Thai travel, most people would probably think of the tuk-tuk, and if you talk about Thai food, most people would think of tom yum goong… the key factor these two things had in common was ‘time.’ If time is the common denominator, then what has been with the Thai people for a long time in terms of trade and economy?”

Chawanon added that the chalom’s woven bamboo material represents environmental friendliness and its durability represents sustainable cooperation."

https://ottawa.thaiembassy.org/en/content/unveils-logo-for-apec-2022?cate=5f069ee272a783584326eaf8

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Ser_Danksalot t1_ixusa1z wrote

Is it starting to look like even TSMC are taking the threat of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan seriously?

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kakapo-capybara t1_ixu3vlw wrote

He is a real tech hero. Unlike some overrated American self-marketing professionals.

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OldGuto t1_ixuw2s4 wrote

Makes a lot of sense to open a fab outside Asia. Potentially risky to open it in the US as that removes some of the incentive for the US to protect Taiwan from the Chinese.

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urmyheartBeatStopR t1_ixvc6oe wrote

One of the many incentives to protect Taiwan.

Many nations want China to stay within the first island chain. They're aggressive in term of territory claims.

The current hegemony of USA is more palatable and predictable for them than China's.

To be fair, Taiwan would want USA to be stronger and also the majority of their customers are USA companies.

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Thinktank2000 t1_ixvp1y5 wrote

soom they will be measuring in angstroms, 30 angstrom process

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McFritjof t1_ixu50pg wrote

Nice, maybe the technocalypse will not be happening.

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AK_Sole t1_ixwq4f5 wrote

Anyone have clues as to where in the US these will be manufactured? I would love to invest in the local economy, wherever this may be.

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MEATPOPSCI_irl t1_ixvahtw wrote

Cue news from the EPA. The tension between self reliance and shitting in one’s own yard will soon be back.

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fillytopper t1_ixtz7yh wrote

Just a move to interweave TW and US relationship in a move to interlink with the US to deter aggression from China. Wonder how this move will play out.

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dongkey1001 t1_ixu8ecz wrote

Unfortunately, it is the other way around. This is to limit US exposure to supply interruption just in case Taiwan is invaded. Hence, the US may decide not to defend Taiwan in the event of an invasion.

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webs2slow4me t1_ixulhlo wrote

It is the former in the short term and the latter in the long term. So both.

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