Hell yeah more jobs for americans

Most Americans probably don’t want those jobs lmao

Dare say being a brand new fab a huge chunk of the production line will be autonomous and only need a small selection of skilled staff.

Holy FUCK 3nm?

Also that logo is about as close to being a ballsack as you can be without actually being a ballsack

Dirty mind. I immediately think of woven material to hold glass or something spherical, also think of DNA just arranged differently.

But seriously, my thought was you meant that company snuggling up to US (the ballsack) due to political tension.

"Dirty mind" your name is literally fillytopper

This company obviously has major concerns about Chinese invasion.

Just a move to interweave TW and US relationship in a move to interlink with the US to deter aggression from China. Wonder how this move will play out.

Lol, you got me there. But seriously, you haven't seen mesh netting to hold soccer balls?

I mean... yeah... sometimes with two balls in them 😳

No doubt this is probably will happen and some H1B visas to bring administration in.

Yeah, that's what's most amazing to me. It's getting so small so quickly. 7nm is still epically powerful now. And we're already at less than half that.

Relevant into is that most high end chips are made in Taiwan.

https://www.theredlinepodcast.com/post/episode-81-the-geopolitics-of-microchips-and-semiconductors

Pretty soon we’re all gonna have cells like Zoolander!

He is a real tech hero. Unlike some overrated American self-marketing professionals.

This isn't actually the size. TSMC has changed their naming conventions years ago and the market has followed.

Nice, maybe the technocalypse will not be happening.

3nm - So hot now

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Its more security. If china conquers taiwan we wont have to bend over to china then.

Unfortunately, it is the other way around. This is to limit US exposure to supply interruption just in case Taiwan is invaded. Hence, the US may decide not to defend Taiwan in the event of an invasion.

So how does it work or what is the scheme name?

Let's make a push for those poor twitter employees to get these jobs after they've used up their three month severance.

Holy crab that is big news.

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https://www.quora.com/Will-the-physical-size-of-the-processors-get-any-smaller-than-7-nano-metres/answer/Yowan-Rajcoomar?ch=15&oid=169904226&share=3d67d0a9&srid=i7kNj&target_type=answer

Basically, "3nm" doesn't refer to actual feature size anymore. It just means that there's an improvement from previous "x-nm" gen (maybe better density, smaller leakage current, faster gate speed, etc).

Because ultimately, it's performance. If you can keep the same size but, say, reduce the gate switching time by half, you functionally just have twice the performance for a given number of transistors.

Frek,.... that is huge.

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Bro you can work in semi fab with only a high school diploma and still make 70k+ with full benefits. These jobs are definitely sought after. So much money in the semiconductor industry

Actually 3nm is quite the opposite.

It is the former in the short term and the latter in the long term. So both.

TSMC Racing to 1nm, Investing $32 Billion for Fab: Report

Is it starting to look like even TSMC are taking the threat of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan seriously?

So much money but backbreaking work...and not that much money if you divide by the hours and overtime

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We're still a few orders of magnitude away from having enough functional qubits. Further, quantum computers are only good at s few specific things, and they'll need fast supporting intermediaries to feed them at reasonable speeds.

Tldr; yes but actually no.

1nm is being planned by TSMC now.

You are thinking about it wrong.

3000pm is HUGE.

Or not bother lifting a finger to actually help Taiwan if the Chinese do actually become properly aggressive. Especially when the fab is in your own country.

Makes a lot of sense to open a fab outside Asia. Potentially risky to open it in the US as that removes some of the incentive for the US to protect Taiwan from the Chinese.

I wouldn’t call it backbreaking. It’s not as physically demanding compared to something like warehouse work, welding, or construction (speaking from experience). But yeah, the hours are rough. Gotta be OK with shift work and possibly overnight… a lot of people love the freedom of only working 3 or 4 days a week though

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It's nowhere near that close lol

So at some point with this convention will we use negative nm? Or will we just drop to 0.9nm 0.8nm etc?

I'm thinking alphanumerical

2nmA. 2nmb etc...

Picometers would be the next logical step which means they probably won't use it.

Cue news from the EPA. The tension between self reliance and shitting in one’s own yard will soon be back.

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It's a gimmick not the real size. Anything 5nm and beyond is now just a marketing term for the technology generation like 2.0 and stuff.

They started to stack transistors (3d) and stuff now so they can fit more. It's not like they shrunk it even further yet.

Yeah that was why I was wondering about stuff like 0.9nm. Pm won’t be recognizable to consumers and consumers will be confused that it’s a larger number.

As someone who was in the semiconductor industry, I definitely want to go back to it. Those companies really do value their employees more than most companies.

One of the many incentives to protect Taiwan.

Many nations want China to stay within the first island chain. They're aggressive in term of territory claims.

The current hegemony of USA is more palatable and predictable for them than China's.

To be fair, Taiwan would want USA to be stronger and also the majority of their customers are USA companies.

Looks like the last time they had to worry about it was around the 386->486 transition.

The fab is probably screwed anyway if war breaks out. There are other reason for defending Taiwan.

Intel has dropped the "nm" completely. Their 10nm was rename to Intel 7 - it was very similar to TSMC 7nm anyway. Upcoming nodes are named Intel 4 and Intel 3.

So inflation applies to semiconductor trace sizes too.

Happily not true at all.

>Or not bother lifting a finger to actually help Taiwan if the Chinese do actually become properly aggressive. Especially when the fab is in your own country.

If the US says it will back Taiwan, it will.

You seem to know so I'll ask.

How did the U.S. twist their arm? Was there something in the news indicating the company was being strong armed?

soom they will be measuring in angstroms, 30 angstrom process

The fab facilities will be the first ones to be destroyed to prevent take over.

"Chalom as a symbol

A chalom is a kind of Thai bamboo basket used to carry travel items and goods as it has become a symbol of trade in Thailand since ancient times.

The interlaced bamboo strips are strong, resilient, and durable—all qualities that are necessary to bolster the regional economy and help it grow with “stability, prosperity, and sustainability,” the watchwords of the Thai administration. The 21 openings in between the interwoven bamboo strips signify all 21 member economies in APEC.

The characteristics of chalom also reflect the theme of Thailand’s host year, “Open, Connect, Balance,” as in open trade (signified in blue), connectivity (pink), and balance (green) under the Bio-Circular-Green (BCG) Economic Model.

Meet the designer

Chawanon Wongtrakuljong from the Faculty of Architecture, Chulalongkorn University, who submitted the winning design, explained his rationale.

“If you talk about Thai travel, most people would probably think of the tuk-tuk, and if you talk about Thai food, most people would think of tom yum goong… the key factor these two things had in common was ‘time.’ If time is the common denominator, then what has been with the Thai people for a long time in terms of trade and economy?”

Chawanon added that the chalom’s woven bamboo material represents environmental friendliness and its durability represents sustainable cooperation."

https://ottawa.thaiembassy.org/en/content/unveils-logo-for-apec-2022?cate=5f069ee272a783584326eaf8

To be fair, most consumers don't care about the size. They just want a computer/phone that's fast.

The nm number marketed by fabs means nothing anymore, the actual transistor size is like 10x that.

We're still a long way from actual 3nm transistors.

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3nm is a bullshit marketing name. The minimum spacing between wires on "3nm" process is 24nm, the minimum spacing between gates is 48nm. Impressive enough, considering that the wavelength of the ultraviolet light used to create the circuits is 13nm. The actual density increase vs 5nm is roughy 1.25.

That’s not going to happen, the United States will defend Taiwan period!

Offering billions in government subsidies sure is twisting their arm...

Taiwan matters far more to the U.S. than simply its semiconductors. Look up the first island chain. Being allied with all the pacific countries near China essentially allows the U.S to box China’s navy into the South China Seas.

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Imagine simping for a billionaire...

You're as dumb as Elon if you think those people will remain unemployed.

I thought the article said only 5nm in the US but plans to change to 3nm later. Regardless that’s great for the US!

Hold on, if it's that good then why did these jobs go overseas? These seem like jobs Americans would certainly want, that could have been created by American companies, and that are well complemented by American education.

For now. Conditions could be different decades from now. Taiwan would be foolish to only rely on America's word and not look out for itself in the long term. We used to have a full defensive alliance with Taiwan and formally recognized them until that was changed under President Carter.

Tell that to the Kurds.

QC isn’t TC. If and when it makes it into the general market, it’ll be on an accelerator card. Eventually there’ll probably be stuff built into the same die as the CPU, but there’ll still have to be an actual CPU that drives things.

Nah, we'll probably leave meters altogether and switch to Ångströms pretty soon.

They're setting up a 1nm fab now, will probably start fabricating stuff in 5-7 years or so.

It’s it maybe both?

Please don’t pinch me…not dreaming!

Anyone have clues as to where in the US these will be manufactured? I would love to invest in the local economy, wherever this may be.

Because they can pay them $20k USD equivalent instead of $70k USD.

It's based on transistor density. Something that is twice as dense is sqrt(2) times smaller feature size. So doubling transistor density down from 10 is 10 -> 7 -> 5 -> 3 -> 2 -> measuring it in angstroms or picometers.

This was always the play.

LMAO they will be employed pretty much immediately if they wish

It’s not explicit, so far as I’m aware, but there are a number of very public programs to massively fund semiconductor development domestically, so no doubt people there saw the writing on the wall: “hey so if you move here you won’t lose everything if invaded, and also even if you weren’t, if you didn’t move here we would just fund your competitors who did/were already here”

Taiwan and the company wouldn’t have signed off on this unless they had another card up their sleeve. People are also assuming the United States will be able to produce the quantities that Taiwan can and that is 100% wrong. It’ll take a long time before they are as efficient. Taiwan will continue to be relevant for a long time to not just westerners but asia as well.

Taiwan is protecting its self by continuing to dominate the industry. America would definitely show up, and even if they didn’t other western and Asian nations are not gonna be chill with their major supplier being wiped out.

TSMC actually promised that the world's latest high-end fab making will still be only in Taiwan. By the time when the US starts the 3nm manufacture, Taiwan will start the 1 and 2 nm production. And 2 nm fab plant is already under construction in Hsinchu, Taiwan.

That's a Chinese fantasy about their own security that has more to do with Mao-era weirdness than anything else.

Then i guess Taiwan will still be defended. Which is good.

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