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peterpeterpeterrr t1_iycvt6j wrote

Isn't mail supposed to go through x-ray systems before sorting in embassies?

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The_Food_Scientist OP t1_iycwszc wrote

Replying to peterpeterpeterrr (#805,041)

I guess, happened two hours ago. The embassy is scheduled to make a press release. Who knows how it got through. There were no casualties and the man suffered the explosion got out in his own feet and was sent to the hospital.

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Shiningtoaster t1_iycxwfy wrote

This is sick... Russia needs to be thrown out of Ukraine, asap.

The West should just give Ukraine weapons to hammer Russian cities far beyond the border to incentivize them to retreat

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BKStephens t1_iyczum6 wrote

Replying to Yoda--29 (#805,444)

"One employee, who was handling a letter, was hurt in the blast according to Spanish Police.

He suffered light injuries went to hospital under his own steam, the force added."

The article never mentions a casualty.

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Morbo2142 t1_iyd10zm wrote

The problem with stochastic terrorism and propaganda is how easy it is to lose control of the narative.

This was probably some Russian sympathizer who's brain has been turned to mush by Russian propaganda.

It sounds too amateur for an actual Russian gov operation. Not to mention it doesn't accomplish or further any of their current goals.

No idea why Spain of all places. Could be the history of fascism with Franco and all that. The soviets were heavily involved in that war.

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The_Food_Scientist OP t1_iyd1tbz wrote

Replying to Morbo2142 (#806,754)

You are quite spot on. The extreme left in Spain is full of Russia sympathisers. Mainly because the soviet union was the only country that offered real support in the Spanish civil war to fight off the fascist uprising and once the ww2 ended it was the main supporter of the Spanish communist party, the main opposition to Franco. Since then the Spanish left has moved away from communism but it was always tainted from a pro russian bias inherited from a pro soviet bias (like if Russia had anything in common with the soviet union). Now a days is something that only manifest in very niche ultra leftist groups. I remember a protest in support of the LPR and DPR in my city at the begging of the war with around 25 people in my city ( >150k habitats) but you just need one crazy asshole to make this kind of action.

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KrackasaurusRex t1_iyd5gba wrote

Replying to Additional_Share_551 (#808,043)

a : a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action The army sustained heavy casualties.

b : a person or thing injured, lost, or destroyed : VICTIM the ex-senator was a casualty of the last election

From Merriam-Webster

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Grunchlk t1_iydceuv wrote

Replying to Morbo2142 (#806,754)

>This was probably some Russian sympathizer who's brain has been turned to mush by Russian propaganda.

Sure but if it were an Iranian expatriate doing this to an Israeli embassy it would be widely regarded as a state sponsored terror attack and Iran itself would be culpable and subject to reprisals.

As it stands you're effectively painting it as "a passionate expatriate that got a little carried away." It's terrorism. Russia is executing a terrorist campaign in Russia and encouraging, either directly or indirectly, its expatriates to do the same.

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Morbo2142 t1_iyde3z9 wrote

Replying to Grunchlk (#810,390)

Stochastic terrorism is what you described. And I believe what I called it. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/stochastic-terrorism.

The government didn't carry out the attack but they encouraged and directed the behavior.

It's irresponsible to call an attack state sponsored unless there is proof the state had a direct involvement in planning and/doing the attack.

I don't disagree with you. It's hard to parse out what the Russian government is doing these days, what with all the reports of state approved warcrimes, terrorism, and gross human rights violations.

Also Iran isn't invading Isreal at the moment, so it would be a bit more of a surprise given all the happenings in Iran as of late.

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Brian_Lafeve_Jr_ t1_iydeimg wrote

Replying to KrackasaurusRex (#808,255)

pluralcasualties

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a

: a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action

The army sustained heavy casualties.

b

: a person or thing injured, lost, or destroyed : VICTIM

the ex-senator was a casualty of the last election

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: serious or fatal accident : DISASTER

losses from fire, storm, or other casualty J. S. Seidman

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archaic : CHANCE, FORTUNE

losses that befall them by mere casualty Sir Walter Raleigh

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continuousQ t1_iydqfqi wrote

Replying to Shiningtoaster (#805,725)

Not cities, bases. Destroy all their aircraft, ships and missile launch sites. Russia doesn't need incentives, they have plenty if that mattered. They need to lose their entire military.

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One_Day8686 t1_iydwhtm wrote

This article is very vague on what happened... Hmmm, is it not strange that the injured individual used steam to get to the hospital?

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cabbagehandLuke t1_iydxieb wrote

"He suffered light injuries and went to hospital under his own steam".

Love that wording haha!

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24offsuit t1_iydzlcm wrote

Replying to druizzz (#815,531)

Untrue.

The far left AND far right are somewhat pro-Putin or anti-NATO and against support to Ukraine, albeit for totally different reasons. There is a crossover. It's kind of weird and on the fringe for both the left and the right but there is a small element on both sides.

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LickItAndSpreddit t1_iye0s7o wrote

In an alternate universe with dark humor Sesame Street, Super Grover is called to the aftermath of the embassy explosion and the whole alphabet is strewn across the rubble.

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Appropriate_Grade816 t1_iye2d28 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#818,023)

Not just morally, but your plan to terrorbomb Russian cities is completely idiotic from a military-strategic perspective too. Attacks against civilians increase resolve, it does not lessen it. We are lucky people like you are not in charge of the Ukrainian military.

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antibacterialsoap t1_iye7pjw wrote

Replying to Appropriate_Grade816 (#818,696)

It CAN increase resolve. I think it probably would for Russian civilians. But strategic bombing of cities can also completely break opposition. Russia succeeded this way against Syria with completely annihilating their cities. Those same commanders that got their experience in Syria are running the show now in Ukraine.

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kaisadilla_ t1_iye9x2k wrote

Replying to The_Food_Scientist (#807,039)

You are flat out misinforming people here. Almost nobody at any point in the left spectrum in Spain supports Russia. A few trolls on Twitter aren't representative of the "extreme left". Twitter is not real life. At most you can say that some elder far-left people don't support NATO and don't want to take sides in this war. But that doesn't mean they support Russia or Putin in any way.

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godel32 t1_iyediq9 wrote

ruzzian terrorists can't even fight another army, need to resort to acts of terrorism. Shameful.

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tap-rack-bang t1_iyejhbg wrote

I mean it could be any country that is responsible for this and probably not Russia /s

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antibacterialsoap t1_iyeqngi wrote

Replying to Appropriate_Grade816 (#822,607)

To be clear, I think it would be a bad move ethically and strategically to bomb Russian cities.

I just think sometimes in certain conflicts against certain opponents, this can yield the horrific results so desired by the people giving those orders.

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kingtz t1_iyes27m wrote

Replying to Shiningtoaster (#805,725)

Additionally, the rest of the world needs to just sanction Russia back to the Stone Ages.

When Putin's generals and soldiers are starving and unable to get Western Medicine and other necessities, they'll be less likely to follow his immoral orders.

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TheHollowJester t1_iyexep3 wrote

Replying to Shiningtoaster (#805,725)

After this conflict ends, if we want peace r*ssia has to be dismantled. Treaty of Versailles scenario won't work as proven in the past.

Otherwise they'll recoup the losses, play nice for like 20 years and attack someone again, only this time do it better.

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Conkuri t1_iyeysgr wrote

Surely this sub learned from Poland missile incident and won't jump to any assumptions until investigation finishes,right?

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000TheEntity000 t1_iyezwva wrote

Shittiest letter bomb ever, and where were any scans on post?

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xsairon t1_iyf310c wrote

Replying to The_Food_Scientist (#807,039)

idk what ur talking about ive never, ever seen or heard about a leftist that supports putin and what he's doing

there's plenty of communists, but putin supporters? only in the far right because he had the image of being a strong leader, hates lgbt stuff and the new "western" progressive wave, and that's about it.

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VanquishedVoid t1_iyf34pr wrote

Replying to deletable666 (#831,793)

> Google what causality means

causality

noun

The principle of or relationship between cause and effect.A causal agency, force, or quality.That which constitutes a cause; the activity of causing; the character of an event as causing.

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deletable666 t1_iyf3x8m wrote

Replying to BKStephens (#832,466)

Clearly you still have some confusion on what a casualty is, and there is no reason for me to read through all your other replies to other comments I am not involved in.

Take care, goodbye

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BKStephens t1_iyf4qkb wrote

Replying to deletable666 (#832,558)

No confusion. I even Googled it like you advised, and put it right there for you to read.

Or is there no reason for you to read through all my replies? Even if they're directly to you?

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1994mat t1_iyf5dns wrote

Replying to ACCount82 (#826,944)

it's not horseshoe theory where theres this 2 far outer edges coming back together, it's one straight line with the far-left and far-right being super anti western establishment and wanting more populist brainrot

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ACCount82 t1_iyf6zlf wrote

Replying to dymdymdymdym (#832,450)

I don't think it's a stretch to say that many radicals are similar to each other - not in declared ideals, but in observable methods and behaviors. There's a point when this radical zeal and "anti-establishment" thinking overrides any other thought process.

Which is how radical right and radical left have managed to converge on hating NATO and sucking it up to Putin in many countries. As they did before on COVID restrictions, and long before that on trying to "cancel" media for wrongthink, and before that, and before that. Radicalization is enemy of thinking - which horseshoe theory illustrates.

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ThaFresh t1_iyf76hi wrote

Exploded by being overpacked with donation money

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DrFunkenstyne t1_iyfa54m wrote

Replying to AllLovingVillian (#833,777)

What may have worked then doesn't necessarily work now. The prevalence of cel phones and the resulting videos of war atrocities make it very hard to garner support for such acts. Just my 2 cents, I could be wrong.

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Donjuanisit t1_iyfan0f wrote

There was another bomb to a weapons company called Instalaza, from Zaragoza. Weapons sent to Ukraine by Spain were manufacured there. The newspaper is saying some type of grenade launcher.

The letters were made from cardboard and were posted for 2.70 euros. The staff member from the embassy got minor burns in a finger as a little flame started when she/henewspaper with youtube vid tried to open the letter but went to the hospital without ambulance help.

A second bomb was sent to the Instalaza main office building (HQ?). It was detected by security staff just before 19:00 and they phoned the police. An unit of TEDAX was sent to check it out and they detonated the bomb safely.

Both places were checked by the police in case other bombs werent located yet. It seems all good now. All evidences and fragments have been sent to the forensics. Blue ink was used and around 20 gr envelopes. Definetly they were not make by the unabomber. The whole thing is being taken as a terrorist attack.

As a personal note if more bombs were sent to other busineses and arrived at the same time frame (afternoon or afternoon delivery) they might be unopened till tomorrow. Not the best of the explosive devices but cheap to make.

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Unlawful-Justice t1_iyfbs7g wrote

Should have tipped them off when the return address was signed by V. Ladimirputin

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teaklog2 t1_iyfd6lv wrote

Replying to wrosecrans (#836,829)

Going to jump in and argue the grammar here specifically, in an ‘or’ statement like that the ‘serious’ can also modify both things being listed.

‘i want to buy a red car or truck’ does not imply you want a red car or any colored truck

‘an accretive merger or acquisition’ - doesn’t imply you don’t care if the acquisition is accretive or not

unless you are saying if you want to say ‘I want to buy a red car, table, blanket, and shirt!’ you should instead say ‘i want to buy a red car, a red table, a red blanket, and a red shirt!’

if you want to remove that assumption from your sentence, you could instead say ‘a truck or a red car’ or ‘a red car or any colored truck.’

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wrosecrans t1_iyfejq3 wrote

Replying to teaklog2 (#837,428)

In that case, the reading is that a wartime casualty can only happen in a "serious war," and someone killed in a minor border conflict wouldn't count as a casualty. Is that a reasonable reading of the definition?

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