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Juhbellz t1_jboher7 wrote

Yeah this sounds like we've thrown off some climatological balance. But what do I know, I just eat fruit

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ih8thewrld t1_jboij86 wrote

now the west is flooding and stuff. weeee!

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Zeal391 t1_jbolifi wrote

As someone that lives in south Florida… we’ve dodged a lot of hurricanes these past couple years. I’m perfectly with dodging some more.

I don’t think you people realize how terrible it is to not have air conditioning in the summer in south Florida. It’s so hot and humid. The air is literally wet

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ikeosaurus t1_jbomeg2 wrote

It doesn’t dampen the effect of El Niño, it’s the opposite phase of the El Niño/Southern oscillation climate system. Both phases can have bad and good impacts on different parts of the world. This year Utah (where I live) is having a close to record snow, that is probably due in part to La Niña. This is good for us. Interestingly El Niño can do the same thing for us here as well.

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Kenja_Time t1_jbosmau wrote

It appears several commenters are missing the point. I'm not downplaying human impact but we didn't kill La Nina with climate change; it's cyclical. La Nina ending is natural. In fact, it seemed the last La Nina hung around for longer than it typically does. Australia was expecting another La Nina season so they also get a bit of a reprieve.

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stackofwits t1_jbov249 wrote

La Niña is simply the cold phase of the El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO). This is a great website showing the different phases and their intensities over time.

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ACorania t1_jbowu8e wrote

That's why we don't choose to live in a place as beautiful as south Florida. I love visiting... normally in December when the weather is like a hot summer day from what I am used to. But you couldn't pay me enough to live there.

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misteryous302 t1_jboxqa8 wrote

Ah thanks. I was getting some anxiety cause this topic was being talked about it in my school a lot which was triggering me into a bit of stress but knowing my planet is gonna get fucked a wee bit harder soon enough and that every few steps were taking are followed by a big push back...really adds up to that...

...happy times...

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redditwitfries t1_jboz1dp wrote

I AM EL NIÑO! ALL OTHER TROPICAL STORMS MUST BOW BEFORE EL NIÑO! YO SOY EL NIÑO!

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mtech101 t1_jbp3r0k wrote

This was our 3rd La Nina in a row which was very odd.

This winter was insanely mild.

Next winter could be a return to normal but it could develop again.

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TheSlartey t1_jbp47sz wrote

How do you "dodge" a hurricane with a large land mass?

Edit: lol downvoting because people would rather keep being incorrect than change their vocabulary. Sad.

Dodge: To avoid (someone or something) by a sudden quick movement.

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LongDickPeter t1_jbp5b75 wrote

Sorry for being lazy I've been hearing about la Nina for over 20 years . Wtf is it actually.

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shkl t1_jbp67ut wrote

But an El Nino brings drought for us and it looks it'll have an even bigger impact next year.

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redyellowblue5031 t1_jbp72ns wrote

It’s one side (the cooler side) of the natural cycle of ENSO (El Niño Southern Oscillation). Basically sea surface temperatures in the central/eastern tropical parts of the pacific swing back and forth from warmer to cooler than average.

This has impacts on large scale weather patterns by impacting things like the available moisture for storms, winds, etc..

Whether we are in La Niña, neutral, or El Niño doesn’t give precise weather forecasts. It just gives a signal to say certain types of events have a higher likelihood of happening.

You can read a little more here.

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Time_Mage_Prime t1_jbpbnda wrote

So if El Niño, should we expect very hot couple summers ahead? If global temperature trends have already been increasing, and that increase has been stymied by La Niña (see the article's "escalator" analogy), then a warming El Niño in the midst of no-longer-mitigated-by-La-Niña global warming could mean a sudden spike in temps. No?

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the_JerrBear t1_jbpcat0 wrote

yeah, i used to live in south florida too. fact is there's people who have already been hit worse than just their AC - something to remember when saying things like "so and so that i've never met doesn't understand how tough i got it"

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Rigelmeister t1_jbpejod wrote

Isn't La Nina what makes winters in Europe cold though? If so, I am terrified. My country can't afford having winters with no snow. Hell this year we barely had any rain let alone snow.

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jetstobrazil t1_jbpemlf wrote

Totally. And once weather become unpredictable, we lose the ability to travel safely over oceans, or even eventually by car, decimating trade, and everyone’s precious economy.

Gonna have to find a good spot to settle in for it.

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jetstobrazil t1_jbpev8q wrote

Cautious calling any news good news on this precipice

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FreyrPrime t1_jbpp22m wrote

Weather would have to become pretty apocalyptic on a pretty frequent scale to really decimate trade.. I'm not saying we wouldn't see a slow down, or enhanced costs, but a complete collapse of global trade? That feels like a stretch.

Trade routes connecting much of the world have existed for thousands of years, during times when the means to traverse such distances was fraught with peril.

I think our technology is gonna be a pretty enormous mitigating factor too, especially as we continue to creep towards more and more automation.

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FreyrPrime t1_jbppic8 wrote

Ian was the worst storm I've seen in my 40 years.. I've never evacuated for any of them, but I definitely turned to my wife as the storm surge was rolling down my street and said "we probably should've gone to my sisters..."

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FreyrPrime t1_jbpppqg wrote

Fort Myers or Sannibel? I'm in Fort Myers, just south of downtown, and we had storm surge coming down our street, but luckily no water in the house.

Ian was the worst storm I've seen in my 40 years in FL.

I'm really sorry for you loss.

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FreyrPrime t1_jbpq7cw wrote

A close call is probably more accurate. I live on the gulf side and Cuba acts like an enormous shield normally. Most Hurricane's gut themselves on Cuba's mountains and fail to regain enough strength to really be a threat to my area of the gulf coast.

However, occasionally they linger in the gulf for a crazy amount of time and then slam into my neck of the woods, like Ian did.

Honestly, Ian wouldn't have been awful had it not been moving so slow. 6-8 hours of sustained category 4+ winds is what did it (if you didn't get storm surged). My house didn't start taking wind damage till well after the 4 hour mark.

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420BigDawg_ t1_jbprp5o wrote

Yea but El Niño might give us 3 years of 1.4+ degree global average. La Niña was cooling us and the last 3 years we’re STILL in the top 10 warmest years on record

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dramignophyte t1_jbpuuk6 wrote

Fort myers beach itself. I was at my dads inland a bit and we still almost died when the water rose until a foot from entering the attic with us all in there.

Hopefully you're doing well! Im thriving I think. We will fond out if my new buisness is solvent in a couple of months lol.

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FreyrPrime t1_jbpviog wrote

Fort Myers Beach! That's intense. I'm glad you and yours are doing well, because I've never seen anything like Fort Myers Beach after Ian.

As a kid I remember driving through Homestead after Andrew, and I don't remember the kind of devastation I saw on the beach.

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HereOnASphere t1_jbpvqk9 wrote

I dug weirs across a horse-damaged hill that had no plant life except a few daisies. I was able to mostly stop erosion and got some grasses growing. I tried for several years to get native western red cedar established, but they never took. I finally planted a grove of Sequoias, which are now getting big. Even when most of the topsoil is gone, keeping the remaining soil damp can promote plant growth and regeneration.

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jetstobrazil t1_jbpwi01 wrote

A big part of the reason weather is predictable now is because of the reliability of the jet stream and Gulf Stream, which are both weakening due to climate change. Once these are sufficiently weakened, predictability of weather patterns critical for travel through air or weather will absolutely be affected enough to all but halt these methods of travel, unless we innovate or begin delivering in subs.

It’s hard to tell how quickly all of this will happen of course and to what degree it will affect us when, but my own personal belief is that with every study seeming to underestimate the effects, it doesn’t seem far enough off to not plan for.

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FreyrPrime t1_jbpxj31 wrote

Yeah, the Jet and Gulf streams are serious causes for concerns, and would absolutely play havoc with the world that we know.

I'm just of the opinion that our technology will insulate us against the worst of it. I could easily be wrong, in fact history says I likely will be.

We've experienced collapses in civilization and 'dark ages' because of climate change at least once before, the Bronze Age.

I think our current civilization is both more resilient than ancient cultures, and at the same time much more fragile. Our technology should make it considerably more difficult to experience a significant collapse, but once it starts I think we we would be much worse off than previous civilizations.

Billions would die from stuff we take for granted on a daily basis.

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jetstobrazil t1_jbq0g19 wrote

I mean you have a point.it’s now literally impossible to grasp the achievements we will be capable of soon, even with this early success of ai. Sufficiently capable ai could present opportunities once thought impossible and we will be able to build things far beyond our current abilities.

I suppose I’ll wait and see how things shake out

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dramignophyte t1_jbq0zu1 wrote

Yeah, the beach got extra special screwed. To the point people are genuinely unaware how bad it was for the most part. They know things were bad in a lot of Florida, but the beach was on a whole other level. I sold the ice cream from the hot dog cart on the beach walking along the water. Who knows if that will ever be a thing again. My boss was at the shop and had to knock the tiles out of the ceiling and stick his head in the rafters to no drown. He stood in water up to his chin for 6 hours. He said hes working on getting things going again. I didn't wait to hold my breath. I moved back to Michigan to become a lapidary, I cut gemstones, or as I like to say: I'm a professional stoner now.

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Bugaloon t1_jbq7tlz wrote

Rip back to unbearable heat and constant bushfires.

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Chinchillan t1_jbqbevf wrote

La Niña happened this year? I live in California and with all the rain I kinda assumed it didn’t happen this year

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panserjohan t1_jbqco5j wrote

It has been god-awfull here in norway. Colder than usuall. -17 in march is pushing it.

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FindTheRemnant t1_jbqe3vd wrote

Western droughts? https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/california-rain-totals/

Hurricanes?

"2022 was a fairly average hurricane season with an average number of named storms, a slightly above-average number of hurricanes, a slightly below-average number of major hurricanes (category 3 or higher on the 5-level Saffir–Simpson wind speed scale), and a near-normal accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) index"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Atlantic_hurricane_season

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Batgod629 t1_jbqk85g wrote

By the sound of things El Nino mighr be better than La Nina as a whole regardless of where you live for the most part

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megjake t1_jbqqw4b wrote

I grew up in SoCal and my home town in the past 3 years has built a new reservoir, installed bigger storm drain pipes, and cleaned up the existing ones. Idk if it’s state wide but there seemed to be a genuine effort to make storm water management better.

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minimumoverkill t1_jbqrbdc wrote

Last time Australia had a very hot and dry summer, the whole country caught fire (summer of 2019/2020).

We’ve now had three very wet summers in a row, probably great for plant & tree re growth.

So a very hot very summer next year could get a little problematic.

I personally love hot and dry weather though. So there’s that!

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Rootdown4594 t1_jbqre50 wrote

La Nina gave me the mildest winter of my lifetime. It was in the 50s and 60s all through Jan and Feb in Massachusetts. I was able to enjoy the outside all winter long without freezing shit weather and no bullshit snow. It was fucking great.

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arnmac t1_jbqwlwr wrote

That mean hurricane in Houston this year and a hurricane season like none before. Batten down the hatches.

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FruitCupLover t1_jbr0nsd wrote

Shouldn't be...but they are lol

Down vote me all you want, but you're only showing your ignorance, folks.

" Although hurricanes occur more often during La Niña episodes, significant tropical weather events have occurred during the neutral phase. For example, the record shattering 2005 hurricane season that included Katrina and Rita occurred during the neutral phase. Hurricane Andrew, the most destructive United States hurricane of record, made landfall along the Gulf coast during a neutral phase of the El Niño/Southern Oscillation in 1992."

https://www.weather.gov/jan/el_nino_and_la_nina

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Sacktimus_Prime t1_jbr1mzp wrote

Yeah mate. The countryside was already burning up at Hill End, west of Sydney, the other day. Water makes the plants grow but when the water dries up so do the plants. Now we've got kindling fuckin everywhere and we've got a hot dry Summer in store..

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moistrain t1_jbr4px0 wrote

>doesn't matter where you're from

hmmm

>Is from a place affected by el niño/niña

Hmmmmmmm

>Didn't give an exact scientific def so there's some chud on my ass

Sussy baka 😳😳😳

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hammyhamm t1_jbr5whw wrote

La Niña is gon3 is aus… will be El Niño soon.

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Gabcard t1_jbr6wyj wrote

A Damm, now the heat is gonna be insufferable over here.

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JamesTBagg t1_jbr7bwd wrote

A. Doesn't matter because it has global effects. Which you could have learned from the title article, but you didn't read it.

2 . I'm in California too. Just rode home in the rain she let through.

Finally. I'll do the minimal effort and provide you Wikipedia,
>La Niña is a complex weather pattern that occurs every few years, as a result of variations in ocean temperatures in the equatorial band of the Pacific Ocean.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Ni%C3%B1a

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_jbr7dh0 wrote

La Niña

>La Niña (; Spanish: [la ˈniɲa]) is an oceanic and atmospheric phenomenon that is the colder counterpart of El Niño, as part of the broader El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) climate pattern. The name La Niña originates from Spanish for "the girl", by analogy to El Niño, meaning "the boy". In the past, it was also called an anti-El Niño and El Viejo, meaning "the old man". During a La Niña period, the sea surface temperature across the eastern equatorial part of the central Pacific Ocean will be lower than normal by 3–5 °C (5.

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moistrain t1_jbr800h wrote

Bruh ofc I didn't read it I made a tiny comment on Reddit dot com that wasn't perfectly accurate and you're up my asshole making assumptions Abt me lmao

"Minimal effort" like I was ever obligated to give it

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XuX24 t1_jbrb3mx wrote

Depending were you live El niño could mean record heat waves so I don't know if this is uplifting or not. Back around 2016 it was really hot were I live with el niño so I'm not really looking forward to more hot weather.

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Derpin357 t1_jbrgwwb wrote

Yeah, tbh, we needed some water, here in Cali, but we didn't need a fucking flooding...

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mountainstosea t1_jbrhr99 wrote

I’d love to. My master’s degree concentration was in climate change, and I focused a good bit on that while I taught GIS labs to undergrads. I’m really terrible at finding job opportunities that fit.

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Iz-kan-reddit t1_jbrja4w wrote

>installed bigger storm drain pipes, and cleaned up the existing ones.

That's great for flooding, but SoCal needs to figure out a practical way to retain a lot more of that water instead of dumping it into the ocean.

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KiloJools t1_jbrkraw wrote

The phrasing of the headline is a smidge weird. I was like, whaddayamean, gone? Oh, it just ended for now, that's all. I don't know why "gone" hits so weird, but it does.

Didn't we expect La Niña to end about now? I'd read forecasts last year projecting this.

It sure would be truly uplifting news if we could remain neutral and El Niño decided not to show up.

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stackofwits t1_jbrmf8s wrote

Absolutely! My background before starting my doctorate was in applied math and I’d never taken a single atmospheric course before the Fall of 2018. We all have to start somewhere! PM me and I’ll see if I can figure out how to send you my slides on ENSO somehow!

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stackofwits t1_jbrmlxo wrote

I’m gonna be honest with you, this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this! However, I’ll poke around on Google a bit and see if I can find something to help answer your question. Thanks for putting me onto something new!

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cgernaat119 t1_jbs06u6 wrote

La Niña usually means it will be dry where I live. As a farmer and rancher this is good news for me. We could use some good rain this spring.

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Ripper33AU t1_jbs50jg wrote

Yeah, I'm used to dry heat, I was not a fan of the humidity here in Melbourne, probably because I'm not used to it, but I do worry about a super dry Summer and bushfires. But yeah, goodbye hot and humid, lol.

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InevitableSignUp t1_jbstm80 wrote

So for the past two years or so, southern US (AR) has had unbelievably cold Februarys. This year was more mild and super enjoyable.

Does that means we’re going to see a more rain-heavy summer? The last two have been pretty dry save for a few really heavy days of rain at the start.

And what part of the El Niño/La Niña cycle(s) affect the earlier months of the year? I’ve heard of both, but only usually as we go into the summer months.

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megjake t1_jbt9k7a wrote

Hence the new reservoir. The city basically has artificial lakes in the winter because they have reservoirs spread around. You often see helicopters collecting water from those spots during wildfires.

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Iz-kan-reddit t1_jbtew95 wrote

I was asking where it was located. I'm curious because it's a tough situation to solve, considering the lack of space in the areas where they're needed.

There's been talk since the 80s about excavating a large part of the Sepulveda Basin, which would be perfect as far as location on the LA River and already having a dam there, but there's a golf course there, so obviously that can't be done.

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megjake t1_jbtidtz wrote

Can’t seem to find anything online about its construction but my hometown is Beaumont CA. It wasn’t a big reservoir by any means but it was a good addition to the cities already pretty good flood management. We’d have the occasional mudslide but for the most part during heavy rains despite being in a valley we never had flood damage

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FruitCupLover t1_jbvmrxy wrote

No, but the weather history backs it. Like, I don't understand why it's so hard for people to grasp that just because La Niña ends so do strong hurricane. The 2005 hurricane season is a great example.

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