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jjwalker67 t1_j33boay wrote

Not useless at all you know many dumbasses I sit behind who just sit there at a red light when they can make a right turn after they stop.

Then, again, those same dumbasses probably wont be reading the sign. 😂

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GoldenAlexanders t1_j33btqh wrote

Good luck in foreign lands, and come back someday. Safe travels!

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lost_in_life_34 t1_j33ddhb wrote

After decades of living in NYC I finally move to the suburbs and I’m greeted with all these no right turn on red signs

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saytn OP t1_j33ell6 wrote

Replying to GoldenAlexanders (#1,289,784)

Thanks! We're definitely not ruling out returning when we get tired of shitty pizza and bagels and diners and delis and tomatoes and beaches and drivers and music and... Wait, why are we leaving again?

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Zealousideal_Egg5071 t1_j33g9bm wrote

Actually, it is pretty useful since not all states permit right turn on red, like New York

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playdohplaydate t1_j33he0v wrote

The signs pointing me to the Express lanes of the Parkway

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SKOLorion t1_j33iugf wrote

Replying to Zealousideal_Egg5071 (#1,290,000)

I agree with the point, but it's illegal in NY.

a. Traffic facing a steady circular red signal may cautiously enter the intersection to make a right turn after stopping as required by paragraph one of this subdivision, except that right turning traffic is not required to stop when a steady right green arrow signal is shown at the same time. Such traffic shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians within a marked or unmarked crosswalk at the intersection and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection;

SOURCE: Article 24 Section 1111

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Complete-Delivery221 t1_j33kdlb wrote

I know exactly where this is in Harrison. Its actually very purposeful, but perhaps unclear and rarely adhered to. The street OP is on is Harrison Ave.... the street emptying in is 1st street. Tons of trucks come into and out of 1st street from the few remaining warehouses in the area. Lots of them have to make that left towards Newark.

People in that right lane where the picture is taken from usually pull up all the way to the corner on a red light instead of that line where the sign is. It causes issues when those 18 wheelers turning out of 1st street can't make that left turn because a car has rolled up to the corner to make that right on red.

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SKOLorion t1_j33kh14 wrote

Not from here originally, so this is making me really wonder. Isn't it illegal to turn on a red light before stopping? I found this in NJ code:

39:4-115. b. intending to turn right at an intersection where traffic is controlled by a traffic control signal shall, unless an official sign of the State, municipality, or county authority having jurisdiction over the intersection prohibits the same, proceed to make the turn upon a "stop" or "caution" signal with proper care to avoid accidents after coming to a full stop, observing traffic in all directions, yielding to other vehicular traffic traveling in a direction in which the turn will be made, and stopping and remaining stopped for pedestrians crossing the roadway within a marked crosswalk, or at an unmarked crosswalk, into which the driver is turning.

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saytn OP t1_j33nh2y wrote

Replying to SKOLorion (#1,290,198)

Yes, you are correct. My way of thinking that it is pointless was that legally, you are allowed to make a right turn on red after a full stop, so long as there isn't a no turn on red sign. Which is what this sign is saying. So in effect, the sign is stating exactly what the law you're quoting is saying. It's the same with the sign there as it is without it.

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saytn OP t1_j33o0du wrote

Replying to Complete-Delivery221 (#1,290,197)

I see that issue all the time. I am always just amused by this sign because it's saying what the law in place already says. A right turn on red is legal after a stop at every intersection in the state, unless prohibited by a sign. So with the sign there or without it, the rules are the same at that intersection.

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whatsnewpussyfart t1_j33p5kj wrote

In Highland Park there are "no turn on red when children are present signs". I don't think it was ever enforced even by HP cops.

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moudine t1_j33prjm wrote

Replying to whatsnewpussyfart (#1,290,427)

Anything related to "when children are present" always struck me as odd. Am I to sense every child in the vicinity?

Or: "...during school hours" how tf am I supposed to know when school lets out?

"Deaf child in area" well keep him out of the front yard! Sheesh

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coreynj2461 t1_j33z1v8 wrote

When getting on 208 or 21 "No horses allowed"

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avd706 t1_j340h8f wrote

So long and thanks for all the fish.

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lividtaffy t1_j34182t wrote

Replying to SKOLorion (#1,290,121)

It’s specific to the city:

> You cannot make a turn at a red light if there is a NO TURN ON RED sign posted or another sign, signal or pavement marking prevents the turn. You are not allowed to turn on a red light in New York City unless a sign that permits it is posted.

Source: NYC Driver’s Manuel Chapter 4

https://dmv.ny.gov/about-dmv/chapter-4-traffic-control-2#:~:text=You%20are%20not%20allowed%20to,go%20when%20it%20is%20safe.

Reddit won’t let me post the link as a hyperlink for some reason

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SKOLorion t1_j342fjc wrote

Replying to lividtaffy (#1,291,112)

I don't think we're debating if you can't turn at a red light with a NO TURN ON RED sign. That's pretty clear. We're talking about whether you have to stop before turning when that sign isn't present.

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lividtaffy t1_j346vpe wrote

Replying to SKOLorion (#1,291,178)

The paragraph above the one I quoted covers that, you have to come to a complete stop then check to make sure the intersection is clear before you can go. Afaik that’s how all turn on red laws work, I’m not aware of any that allow you to roll through a right on red.

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sonofabutch t1_j34c0u4 wrote

In all my years of driving, I have yet to see a Falling Rock.

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Veccsiepooo t1_j34hios wrote

The one that says no turn on red, im going anyway

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sutisuc t1_j34hv89 wrote

Ugh fucking Harrison. I bet you won’t miss driving around there. Where are you headed?

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Kjpilot t1_j34iunf wrote

Good bye you lucky bastard! Where are you going?

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whotfiszutls t1_j34kp3b wrote

What a coincidence, I’ve also lived here 2 decades and I’m moving out tomorrow

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R-code t1_j34z3za wrote

I respectfully submit every “delayed green” sign in this state… I will go when it turns green, I don’t care it it’s early, on time, late, delayed… just let me know when it’s green (and the shitheads in BMWs and Dodge Rams are done running the red three seconds after it changed) and then I’ll go.

Most useless sign ever.

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StsOxnardPC t1_j3520ia wrote

‘Road wet when raining’, is one i recall, but that might have been on an old episode of AFHV….

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ApplianceHealer t1_j36uqm9 wrote

Replying to R-code (#1,292,630)

I’ve seen at least one the reads “Delayed Green — WAIT” That town’s highway dept knew their audience.

And the occasional stop sign with the added statement “Opposing traffic does not stop”

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NJPokerJ t1_j374qr8 wrote

There's a sign in front of my mom's house that says NO TURN ON RED and then underneath in smaller letters it says when children are present. And there's never any children in that intersection because the sign was made for a school that's no longer in use. Only thing that sign does is identity the out of towners that don't know they can turn on red. Constant honks. Also we were happy to have you.

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remarkability t1_j37lmyw wrote

Replying to saytn (#1,290,326)

That’s how all white-background signs work, like speed limits or parking regulations. Those laws exist and apply to the road without the sign, these white-background signs are simply reminders of the existing law.

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remarkability t1_j37m759 wrote

Replying to jjwalker67 (#1,289,778)

Turning right on red is merely an option given to the driver at the intersection, not a requirement. Some don’t feel comfortable making a conflicting turn, and that’s ok. They might also have seen a hazardous situation that you don’t.

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BobbyG-68 t1_j37sar2 wrote

Farewell, friend. Wherever you may be NJ will ALWAYS be part of your DNA.

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Quietguy3691 t1_j37urti wrote

Just saw this same sign on Harrison ave in Kearny lol

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jjwalker67 t1_j37ye17 wrote

Replying to remarkability (#1,296,260)

There’s nothing conflicting about it. You stop make sure its clear then you go. If one is uncomfortable about it then perhaps more training is needed.

Curious where is the statute saying it is an option?

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remarkability t1_j382u03 wrote

Replying to jjwalker67 (#1,296,793)

by conflict, I mean that the turn itself logically conflicts with pedestrians/bicyclists/perpendicular vehicle traffic going across the intersection on their green light, and potentially also people in the parallel crosswalk finishing their movement.

The statute is here: https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2021/title-39/section-39-4-115/

Turning right (on green or red) requires that:

  1. the driver intends to turn
  2. the intersection is controlled by a signal or officer
  3. proper care is taken to prohibit accidents by the driver

Additionally, if the light is red, it is required for the driver to:

  1. not turn if there is a sign disallowing a turn on red
  2. come to a full stop
  3. observe traffic in ALL directions
  4. yield to vehicles traveling in the direction of the turn
  5. stop and remaining stopped for pedestrians crossing the roadway in a marked or unmarked crosswalk
  6. make the turn from and to the rightmost part of both roads unless posted otherwise.
  7. Only then shall they proceed to make a turn.

First, a driver can choose to not intend to turn right until there's a green light. Second, a driver is required to take proper care to prevent accidents and observe traffic in all directions, yielding to vehicles and pedestrians. Turning right on red is inherently more dangerous than proceeding on a green signal. They might observe traffic and take proper care longer than you'd do it, and might consume the entire red light depending on their judgment, and that's ok.

Both of these happen in time before the "shall proceed" section.

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jjwalker67 t1_j38639y wrote

Replying to remarkability (#1,297,009)

First, I appreciate you taking the time to post this. However I still don't find it appropriate to sit there and hold up traffic because one feels uncomfortable. Get training.

An uncomfortable driver is a dangerous driver. Reminds me of a comment I left about some driver testing locations in NJ do this on a closed circuit! Simple ridiculous.

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radlink14 t1_j38d0he wrote

Where are you moving to and why? If you don't mind sharing.

And congrats? Hopefully it's a positive move.

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saytn OP t1_j3b0a35 wrote

Replying to remarkability (#1,296,230)

In my mind, speed limits exist on every road, but I don't know what that limit is everywhere. And I know there are parking regulations, but don't know if it's street cleaning or free parking for all eternity. Those signs are still useful for someone like me who doesn't have them all memorized for every road I'll be on. This sign is just restarting the same applicable law with no updated information, so seems quite useless to me.

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