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Jacksonville - black people are 30% of the population, 75% of the murder victims.
Jacksonville's entire population is just under a million. Black population: 300k. Number of black murder victims: 75. Murder rate: 25 per 100k.
NYC wins again!
Your overall point is not wrong, but your stats are irrelevant.
Well, thank you for giving us a perfect example of double-standards.
When the standard of public safety that each person deserves is based on their color.
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This is the comparison that matters, not a shithole town in Florida.
>(With the same calculation, the murder rate victimizing whites in NYC is 0.8 per 100,000)
I mean you used bad stats to make an overall good point, next time don't undermine your argument by manipulating the data.
>This is the comparison that matters, not a shithole town in Florida.
I agree with you.
But did you just miss the whole crime narrative prior to the election comparing NYC to random republican states?
I'm basically saying: NYC is not uniformly better than said shithole town in Florida. Maybe we should collectively get off the high-horse for a moment.
He's mad that the copy/pasted crime statistics he's receiving aren't justifying racist policing. So instead he's trying to say that NYC is racist for having better crime statistics? lmao
I'm all ears for your argument about how NYC is not racist when it comes to public safety.
How sure are you it’s a good point if the stats don’t support it
> Also uncomfortable is the fact that Eric Adams is a black mayor who was a former cop, voted by many POC who were worried about public safety.
That's right. He ran on a police friendly platform. How's that working out? I'm not surprised much hasn't changed under him.
> * NYC: 15.3 blacks murdered per 100,000 blacks in NY > (With the same calculation, the murder rate victimizing whites in NYC is 0.8 per 100,000)
Since you were comparing the numbers to Jacksonville, what do those splits look like? Also, can you share your data source?
No one is saying the media is making up numbers. What people are saying is some specific outlets were and continue to leverage fear in whatever capacity to get people to vote a certain way and to slowly change how people think. They'll make connections where none exist. They'll look at numbers and not provide context. This happens on both sides of course. But the fact remains that crime is up all over the country. The media would have you believe that things are completely out of control in NYC and that's it's complete chaos here.
If you want to focus on how this is primarily impacting POC, it would be interesting to see trends over the last 25 years broken down by race.
I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that the issue of POC experiencing more crime is not a product of color skin but rather of poverty. Further, I'm willing to bet it's a lot more POC committing crime against other POC. And I say that because I'm going to guess if you're POC you're probably more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood.
To another of your points, having a weekly thread dedicated to crime has been great. It's not censorship. People can post and discuss as they want. It's literally stickied. It feels like a lot more topics are coming up now that are more varied instead of feeling like the sub was being brigaded and literally all focused on crime. I for one hope this arrangement sticks.
The overall point he was making, I believe, is that black people suffer phenomenally worse rates of violent victimization than other races, and it's crazy our politicians don't seem to care about it. The former clause is factual and inarguable, the latter is a political point but IMO a good one.
The point he was wrong about is his idea that Jacksonville's crime rates are close to NYCs on a racial victimization basis - they aren't.
>That's right. He ran on a police friendly platform. How's that working out? I'm not surprised much hasn't changed under him.
Violence was accelerating when Adams took office. He brought back the violent crimes units and other measures, but it's clear that he is facing resistance from Albany to reform certain laws, let's see if any of that changes the trajectory.
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>Since you were comparing the numbers to Jacksonville, what do those splits look like? Also, can you share your data source?
This is where I disagree with most people, because there are two separate questions:
The first one should be measured using demographic breakdowns, surely.
The second one should not depend on demographic breakdowns, and absolutely not by segregating the standards of what "good enough" is for each group, lest we will simply continue perpetuating the disparity.
Sorry, I'm only here to laugh at the quarantined crime spam.
But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.
I think Adams is facing resistance to reform certain laws because from what I recall he was basing his arguments that had no basis on data. Basically blaming bail reform laws. We know for a fact that's not the issue.
At this point, the only thing two things one could argue is that: 1) the state should consider an objective standard that allows a judge to revoke bail and 2) to reconsider what crimes are bail eligible. There's also the component where DAs have discretion on reducing criminal charges that also gets tricky because at the end of the day they need to defend their cases and if you go to high on the charges the person might get away free.
I asked for the splits because you made a comparison initially but then didn't do so later on when you broke things down by race. If the point is that crime against POC in NYC is out of control and ignored then let's compare that to other city and see the breakdown. Comparisons are very helpful. And so are trends. It doesn't mean you can ignore crime. But perspective is important.
I think what it boils down to is the following. Crime is up compared to recent years but not anywhere near the worst years of crime in this city and country. But historic numbers are obviously not very useful for people feeling the uptick in crime. So if crime is up what are the contributing factors that have led to that rise in crime? Is crime worse in NYC compared to the rest of the state? Is it worse than other cities and/or states? Is it worse for certain racial groups? Or is it worse because of new laws? Or is it because of the pandemic? Higher unemployment? Inflation? Because certain practices were discontinued? You get the idea. Obviously you'd need to normalize the data.
I think those pieces of info can help inform how to best tackle the issue of reducing crime in the short and long term. It's quite obvious that having police in every street and every train and station is not feasible. I don't know what the NYPD is doing but I imagine each precinct has their areas where they focus more on due to higher criminal activity. But there are issues that the NYPD simply isn't going to be able to tackle. Like mental health issues and addiction and homelessness. They are real issues and impact quality of life in the city but are they crimes? Feels like to me that this is the real issue and outside of Hochul saying they are making more use of Kendra's law, I'm not sure if that has been sufficient. Or if that needs to be improved upon.
>But it is better, that's the comparison. A black person has a higher chance of being murdered in Jacksonville than in NYC.
You can celebrate NYC, as many do, because you can believe that's good enough. Many people will buy that argument.
I just wish we can live in a world where "good enough" doesn't depend on the color of one's skin.
Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.
>Comparisons are very helpful. And so are trends. It doesn't mean you can ignore crime. But perspective is important.
So far, I've only seem such comparison being used to downplay the issue.
People are not honestly asking about how blacks are victimized in Jacksonville to find a way to fix the problems in NYC. They are asking that to relativize and dismiss the problem we have here by making the case that it's "good enough".
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>Is crime worse in NYC compared to the rest of the state? Is it worse than other cities and/or states? Is it worse for certain racial groups? Or is it worse because of new laws? Or is it because of the pandemic? Higher unemployment? Inflation? Because certain practices were discontinued?
By acknowledging there's a problem, and asking those questions, you're a bit ahead of the curve. Thank you for that.
>They are real issues and impact quality of life in the city but are they crimes?
A bit odd for you to bring that up in a conversation about demographic disparities in murder victimization.
>Then maybe let’s support efforts that encourage racial equity in the justice system, like bail reform.
So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?
The courts are still slow, DAs are being overwhelmed and same with public defenders.
The "reformers" took power, did a half-ass job, and switched towards defending the status quo real quick.
It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".
> So why not continue the reform in the criminal justice system?
Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?
> and switched towards defending the status quo real quick
They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed. You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.
> It's almost as if some politicians actually benefit from perpetuating the issues, while posing as the "advocates".
What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.
> People are not honestly asking about how blacks are victimized in Jacksonville to find a way to fix the problems in NYC.
They’re asking because you’re manipulating statistics in a bad faith effort to portray crime in New York as worse than crime in Jacksonville. We’re all incredibly cognizant of racial inequities.
However, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to compare the conditions of Black people in New York to a group including non-Black people in Jacksonville. It makes sense to compare the conditions of Black people in New York to Black people in Jacksonville if you’re going to cherry pick.
Black people are also the subject of inequities in Jacksonville. Just as they are in New York. Pointing out how white people are better situated in other places says nearly nothing about the relative conditions between Black people in the two places.
>... to portray crime in New York as worse than crime in Jacksonville. We’re all incredibly cognizant of racial inequities.
Do you think that's honestly true, given that you were part of the crowd arguing that NYC is simply safer than Jacksonville? As if NYC was uniformly safer than Jacksonville?
I'll even set aside the whole discussion about population densities.
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>However, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to compare the conditions of Black people in New York to a group including non-Black people in Jacksonville.
Jacksonville became one measuring stick for public safety in the debate about safety in NYC.
So now, if it turns out many in NYC are worse-off compared to that measuring stick, the problem is the measuring stick?
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>Black people are also the subject of inequities in Jacksonville. Just as they are in New York. Pointing out how white people are better situated in other places says nearly nothing about the relative conditions between Black people in the two places.
In other words, "good enough" for blacks?
> So now, if it turns out many in NYC are worse-off compared to that measuring stick, the problem is the measuring stick?
You’re using two different measuring sticks. Black people in New York are safer than Black people in Jacksonville. White people in New York are safer than white people in Jacksonville. The fact that Black people in New York have it worse off than white people in Jacksonville speaks miles to racial inequities which exist everywhere.
It in no way whatsoever indicates that Jacksonville is safer than New York in the slightest. None of your data says that. And you realize this.
> In other words, "good enough" for blacks?
No. Which is why I support measures that help eliminate the effects of racial inequities in New York. You’re getting really close to understanding why progressives so zealously advocate for policies like ending stop and frisk and enacting bail reform, both meant to combat the unfair treatment Black New Yorkers face relative to their white peers.
>Did Progressives really give up on advocating for reforms, or do you just not like their proposals because they’re not right wing enough?
The advocacy changed from advocating for reforms to defending the status quo.
Because progressives in power don't need to advocate anymore, when they can exercise the power to walk the talk instead.
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>They’re actually spending a lot of time defending the policies they enacted from attacks from the right and the center, in case you haven’t noticed.
So the criticisms, valid or invalid, are to blame for the reforms being stopped?
>You know all those New York Post articles about bail reform you’re in always in the comments for? How are supporters of progressive policies benefitting at all from these programs being rolled back? Please be for real right now.
It's very simple.
Fear-mongering about "reforms being rolled back" is what's benefiting those politicians.
Note that I'm not saying anything about rolling anything back, but you're framing it that way here because such fear-mongering message is deeply entrenched in your mind at this point.
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>What issues? Who are the “advocates”? How are they benefitting? This vague progressive boogeyman shit is exhausting.
Like opposing de-escalation training for the police... to benefit from headlines of police brutality?
Like reducing the police force in NYPD, causing a predictable increase in police violence (inversely correlated with under-staffing of police departments)... to benefit from headlines of more police brutality?
Like erasing gangs database... to benefit from more headlines about more violence in Riker's?
Like disseminating mistrust in the police, to cause more POC youth on becoming first-time offenders... to increase the number of people who have an encounter with the broken justice system?
You ask who? The list is large. AOC, Tiffany Cabán, Steward-Cousins, and many more.
>Black New Yorkers face relative to their white peers.
>You’re using two different measuring sticks.
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>Black people in New York are safer than Black people in Jacksonville. White people in New York are safer than white people in Jacksonville.
You're the one using two measuring sticks: murder rate of blacks in Jacksonville and murder rate of whites in Jacksonville.
I'm only using one: the murder rate of any person in Jacksonville.
Congratulations, you discovered institutional racism! Progressives have been talking about this for well over a century to constant conservative denialism. Now let’s work together on the progressive policies that have been proven to reduce these inequities instead of the “tough-on-crime” policies that exacerbate them?
You seem confused about what progressivism is. Once again, progressive doesn’t mean /u/NetQuarterLatte’s favorite policy.
None of the policies you listed at the bottom are progressive. Progressives are not advocating for increasing police funding or discouraging BLM protests. Those are pretty clearly right-wing policies.
I’m sorry that progressives are not enacting your favorite conservative policies. But you are not a progressive. Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.
> I'm only using one: the murder rate of any person in Jacksonville.
That’s literally not what you’re doing. You compared the rate of crime against exclusively Black people in New York to all people, Black or white, in Jacksonville:
> When taking into account that blacks/African-Americans accounts for 67.00% of the murder victims in NYC, but only 23.80% of the NYC population, it implies that a significant fraction of NYC is less safe than the typical person in Jacksonville
That is not an apples to apples comparison at all, no matter how many times you attempt to make it out to be and no matter how many times you will surely copy and paste the same paragraph over and over in the next week. You will be called out for the bullshit every time.
I'm kind of disappointed that you're back at disingenuously mischaracterizing other people's comments to create straw arguments.
If you have strong ideas, you could be doing the opposite: make an iron man argument instead.
I'm not sure if you will ever understand the above.
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>Earlier today, you used Lee Zeldin as an example of a moderate Republican.
I cited Zeldin as a republican who moved less than an inch towards the center (exact words I used).
But you are mischaracterizing that as a "moderate Republican" lol
You're pretty deep into the fear-mongering rhetoric against the return of "tough-on-crime". Not what I've been advocating.
I think you know how a person sounds from the outside when their mind is wrapped by fear-mongering of crimes. I wish you could see how you sound.
You know everyone else can peep into your comments and realize you’re full of shit, right? Like, when you lie, people can see everything you post and realize that you’re being dishonest? This website is anonymous, but when you comment incessantly, people can discern pretty clearly what you stand for.
How about an analogy:
To enter a ride in an amusement park, a child needs to be taller than the measuring stick, otherwise they may get injured.
What we have today:
My argument is: we shouldn't have two measuring ticks. Just one that is safe for everyone equaly.
Your argument: the amusement park across the street also has a broken black measuring stick, and it's even more broken!
I cannot believe I'm going to engage with this stupid and bad-faith analogy, but alas.
We know that Black people face worse conditions when it comes to being victims of crime everywhere. But you're using evidence of Black people in New York facing more crime than a group including non-Black people in Jacksonville as evidence that New York is less safe. That's just not true. Because you should either be comparing solely Black people in the two cities or all people in both. Comparing one metric to the other just makes no sense.
In your analogy, what you're doing is comparing the rate of accidents involving just children in New York to the rate of accidents involving both children and adults in Jacksonville. That simply makes no sense.
>The letters had no return address on them, just a single stamp and a scan indicating they were mailed from New Jersey.
>In your analogy, what you're doing is comparing the rate of accidents involving just children in New York to the rate of accidents involving both children and adults in Jacksonville. That simply makes no sense.
What separates children and adults is not the color on their skin.
There's obviously a historical disparity in victimizations based on the skin color. We all know of that.
Do you think such historical disparity is a good (ethical/moral) argument to continue using two separate measuring sticks?
I suggest you reflect on that for a minute.
> There's obviously a historical disparity in victimizations based on the skin color.
Yes, but there is absolutely no historical discrepancy I'm aware of when it comes to rollercoaster safety based on race. You're being ridiculous.
> Do you think such historical disparity is a good (ethical/moral) argument to continue using two separate measuring sticks?
...you're the one who broke the measuring sticks in the first place! You are the one who cherry-picked exclusively Black people in New York and compared them to a group including Black and non-Black people in Florida. Why weren't you using the same measuring stick in both instances?
>...you're the one who broke the measuring sticks in the first place! You are the one who cherry-picked exclusively Black people in New York and compared them to a group including Black and non-Black people in Florida. Why weren't you using the same measuring stick in both instances?
I'll try one last time.
There are 4 numbers here:
I'm claiming that the fact that the "Overall murder rate in NYC" is lower than the "Overall murder rate in Jacksonville" should not be used to dismiss crime concerns.
I'm supporting that claim with the fact that there's at least one segment of the population in NYC that does not enjoy that standard, namely, "Murder rate of Blacks in NYC" is worse than "overall murder rate in Jacksonville".
You're claiming that "Murder rate of Blacks in NYC" should really be compared to "Murder rate of Blacks in Jacksonville" instead. Is it your conclusion that this comparison can be used to dismiss crime concerns?
Okay, /u/NetQuarterLatte. Now do the inverse for a holistic understanding here. What is the murder rate of Black people in Jacksonville relative to the overall murder rate in New York. You are going to find what we already know, that Black Americans have it worse off everywhere.
You’re making the arguments of progressives for them, that intense efforts should be made to reduce racial inequities. Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.
>Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.
Alright, now that we established that there's a valid concern about crimes in NYC, I think that's where most people would inject some fear-mongering comment against "tough-on-crime". But thank you for not doing that.
What policies do you believe have been demonstrated to reduce crime victimization? Given that we are talking about the disparity of victimization here.
Glad you totally ignored the entire point of our conversation and pivoted upon realization that your stats didn’t say what you purported them to say at all.
> Alright, now that we established that there's a valid concern about crimes in NYC
I think now would be an appropriate time to apologize for lying about what your statistics said.
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>Glad you totally ignored the entire point of our conversation and pivoted upon realization that your stats didn’t say what you purported them to say at all....
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>I think now would be an appropriate time to apologize for lying about what your statistics said.
Are you saying that "concerns about crimes shouldn't be dismissed" is a lie?
>Now it’s time for you to do the heavy lifting and actually advocate for the policies that are demonstrated to do this.
I'll ask again: what policies do you believe have been demonstrated to reduce crime victimization?
So many teens in this city are a lost cause. It’s a shame. Having an imitation pistol on them? Seriously?
[32 alleged members of rival Brooklyn gangs facing more than 100 charges] (https://abc7ny.com/brooklyn-gang-alleged-members-charged-conspiracy-to-commit-murder/12456057/) Some good news
Former high school basketball player killed in Bronx drive-by shooting >To his family and friends, Jayden Goodridge could always be counted on to flash his big smile and even bigger personality.
>But the 21-year-old tragically became the latest victim of a senseless act of gun violence in a drive-by shooting across the street from the basketball courts at St. Mary’s Park in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx.
>Someone riding an electric bike fired off several shots at around 6:15 p.m. Sunday, hitting Goodridge and his friend as they both walked down the street, police said.
>The friend, who is also 21 years old, survived his injuries. But Goodridge was hit in the stomach and later died at a hospital.
>Goodridge had no criminal record, and add there is no reason to believe he was the intended target, police said. The suspect is still on the loose.
just saw that. just 2 blocks from my place. sucks you cant walk around the city at 6pm dang
Of note for anybody in the Jackson Heights/Elmhurst area. Two hispanics on a red moped snatching chains/property from people. Had these suspect been captured doing something truly awful on video, like obstructing a license plate then this story could have gotten its own post. But all they did was snatch a chain off a 12 year old girl dragging her to the ground.
There plenty of crime post on this sub. Everyday somebody post a picture of an obstructed plate. Crime is not the issue. This sub clearly cares about obstructed plates, bike lane violations as evident by the activity on the post.
But a career criminal committing another violent act. That’s too much for this sub to handle.
Crime happens everywhere. But since narrative prevails in your mind. This is the result.
Good point I agree with
🙏🏼 Thankfully we get several posts a day about the real injustices in this city, Like a vehicle temporarily blocking a bike lane.
Exaclty. Its a megathread for "crime we don't like" not "the issues to matter to the mods".
Anyone know where I can get data on the current crime rate? Preferably an API data point so I can create a tracker for a practice developer project. Thanks!
The difference is that people who commit crimes like robbery do so out of economic need. Locking people up for crimes that arise out of poverty isn't going to address crime, because the environment those people were living in will continue to exist and will cause more criminals to come into existence. The threat of punishment self-evidently does not prevent crime; after all, people commit crime in spite of the fact that it's illegal. The solution isn't to punish criminals and continue to perpetuate the tragedy that is our vengeance-fueled justice system, it's to provide these people with educational and employment opportunities.
On the other hand, someone who covers their license plate has demonstrated their depraved indifference to human life and is irredeemable as a result. You can't reform someone who does things like that. It makes sense that people would get a lot angrier over it.
Brooklyn food vendor attacked after denying assaulter free food: NYPD >A 59-year-old food vendor in Brooklyn was assaulted after refusing an assailant’s demand for free food last Wednesday, police said.
>The food vendor was punched multiple times in the face on the corner of Flatbush Avenue and Plaza Street West, according to the NYPD. The suspect then damaged a window to the food cart and stole a tip jar from the victim, police said.
You are defending the violent assault and robbery of a 12 year old girl. How progressive of you.
Its not temporary the cars doing it just happen to rotate
"people who commit crimes like robbery do so out of economic need."
vs.
"someone who covers their license plate has demonstrated their depraved indifference to human life and is irredeemable as a result."
You've GOT to be a troll
Thanks for specifying their race, helps in case anyone was confused about what your point is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6GgfDhdjeM
Driver shot during road rage incident on Jackie Robinson Parkway
What is wrong with people?
Cool, then kindly mind yer business.
Hispanics ain’t a race. This sub gets into a fit over a post link so I provided a bit of description for those that don’t want to go to the post site. Those that opted to view the link and video would then see the suspects are white hispanics.
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New York Democrats and progressives are being blamed for the Democrats loss of the House at a national scale: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/16/opinion/house-democrats-new-york.html. It says very clearly that trying to ignore crime cost the party several House seats, and by extension, control of the House.
I don't know at what point progressives in the city wake up to how deeply unpopular it is to try to ignore crime. You aren't just catching flak from conservatives and moderates these days, you're catching it from other Dems.
>Some elections are determined in the mad rush of a campaign’s final days. And others are effectively over before they begin. In New York, the Democratic supermajority in control of the legislature made two fatal mistakes driven by arrogance and incompetence that sealed the fate of its congressional candidates many months ago. Those mistakes point up the dangers of one-party rule, especially when it becomes so entrenched and beholden to its most activist wing — and in this case causes some Democrats to vote Republican just to break that stranglehold.
That's unsurprising to anyone who wasn't wrapped a denial bubble with deeply seated biases. It'd be obvious to anyone who did just a minute of unbiased reflection on the results of NYC mayoral primaries/election.
Many have warned about such collective delusion for a long time, including in this sub, far earlier than the midterms were even relevant.
The article doesn’t identify them as Hispanic, what made you feel the need to do that? (rhetorical question, everyone already knows why)
Literally already answered that. If you looked at the article and saw picture of the subjects and want to tell yourself that they ain’t White Hispanics, go right ahead.
You’re right, the race of the suspects is obviously very pertinent info for most of the frequent visitors to the r/nyc crime megathread!
Which you seem to be yourself. And once again, hispanic ain’t a race. The fact that you are not comprehending this suggest to me you ain’t even hispanic but just some White person trying to act like a savior.
You can drop the White Savior act now. To emphasize, both George Zimmerman and David Ortiz are both hispanic. If you think they are the same race, they you need to get your eyes checked.
I’m Hispanic. What about you?
What? Im pretty sure hispanic/latino was an option for race in almost every form ive filled out
You can claim that Dems are "ignoring crime" but I would argue that Republicans have been "sensationalizing crime".
Fear has been proven to be their ultimate tool for control and they have used it time and time again to convince people that they either give up all their rights or die (ex stop and frisk, broken window policing, immigration, 9/11, etc).
I will not be feeding into that narrative because it is a false one.
NY is not overridden by crime -- it is (like much of the rest of the country) being overridden by fear-mongering. And statements like yours merely help propel their lies into the mainstream.
>their lies
Which lies would those be? They cover individual crimes that are happening in the city that you and your friends would apparently like to downplay or ignore. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the city is concerned about crime. Meanwhile, crime statistics seem to back this perception up. Per-capita crime statistics on the subway are significantly up versus pre-pandemic, as are assaults and many other major serious violent crimes. If you want to defuse their talking points, instead of trying to gaslight the majority of the population, why not... address the crime and the policies that allow serial offenders and dangerous people to walk around with dozens of priors and continue hurting innocent people?
Lol this is an opinion piece written by a Bloomberg crony intended to malign progressives to distract from the fact that the state democratic party put zero money or effort into competitive house races on long island.
Progressives and corporate dems have always been at odds. Crime is not the primary wedge issue here, but it's incredibly easy to fool reactionaries into thinking that it is.
I've lived in this city for many decades and you clearly do not know (or have conveniently chosen to forget) what the crime rate here used to be.
The amount of increase in crime over the past 3 years is nowhere near proportional to the amount of fearmongering that is currently taking place in cities all across this nation.
I believe that if anyone is being gaslighted here it is you. And so again, I will suggest that you take a long hard look at their motives and think about why you are seeing so much coverage of crime in the media lately.
It is not a coincidence -- it is a strategy that has been proven to work.
I don't even know what to think of this.
>Sword-wielding man entered New York Times building, demanded to speak to politics section: cops
>He said he wanted to see the Gray Lady’s political reporters, before calmly handing over the sword and the large axe, which was in a bag, to security at the building, according to cops and police sources.
>The man, who was not immediately publicly identified, awaited cops and was then taken to Roosevelt Hospital for evaluation, police said.
>Sources added that the man claimed to be a whistleblower and ranted to cops, “they were going to kill me.”
https://nypost.com/2022/11/17/knife-wielding-man-entered-new-york-times-building/
This is from last month, but it's insane.
14-year-old already arrested 18 times suspected in NYC scooter shootings
> A 14-year-old gang member with 18 busts already under his belt is suspected in three shootings that occurred just days apart in The Bronx, police said Friday.
> The young suspect — whose arrests date back to age 10 or 11 — allegedly opened fire into a Dunkin’ Donuts from the back of a scooter Sept. 19 just after 2:30 p.m., said NYPD Chief of Detectives James Essig said. The bullets broke the glass at the store at 5501 Broadway and struck the young shooter’s intended target, Essig said.
> A few days later, the same scooter with the teen onboard was spotted after a 20-year-old man was shot in the leg at 131 West Kingsbridge Road early Sept. 25, according to Essig.
> The targets were part of the “1300” or “OKB” gang, which is a subsection of the Crips, the chief said.
> The teen, who was not identified because of his young age, is allegedly a member of the “Young Gunner” gang, a rival Bloods offshoot, Essig added.
> The 14-year-old, who is now facing attempted murder and criminal possession-of-a-weapon charges, has 18 prior arrests dating back to 2018 for various crimes, including grand larceny robbery and criminal possession of a weapon, police said.
If only the class sizes at his school were smaller and the mayor hired more lifeguards. Blood is on Eric Adams' hands.
Yes that's right. Gerrymandered maps in Florida and Texas had no effect. It was Progressives in NYC that ignored crime in a city with lower crime rates than Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, Houston, and Dallas during a mid term election that on average has more seats go to the party out of power.
> Gerrymandered maps in Florida and Texas had no effect.
New York heavily underperformed expectations, and those expectations were set with the understanding that the gerrymandered Dem maps would not be used. This excuse doesn't hold water.
> It was Progressives in NYC that ignored crime in a city with lower crime rates than Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, Houston, and Dallas during a mid term election that on average has more seats go to the party out of power.
New Yorker voters don't give a flying fuck about Florida or Texas and don't give a shit about your cherry-picked stats. What they will pay attention to is the steady drumbeat of crimes committed by people with several dozen prior arrests that should have stayed in jail, and the progressives and Democrats that constantly try to ignore that.
> during a mid term election that on average has more seats go to the party out of power.
Non-New York Dems will note a specific under-performance in New York this cycle and throw NYC progressives under the bus for these losing policies.
Completely disagree, and so do a majority of New Yorkers. Glad you miraculously avoided it, but the rest of us haven't.
>cherry-picked stats. . .
Something tells me you don't know what this phrase means. . .
Remind me again how many house seats in NYC flipped?
No, the truth is that "the rest of us" actually have, yet you refuse to believe it.
According to your own source (which I'm not sure the Daily News really is a legit source lol, but at least it's better than the Post!)... The link to the NYPD crime stats show that crime in 2022 vs 2021 was 2,331 incidents vs 2,344 incidents (so LESS this year than the same time last year). And as far as the specific crimes go, murders and shootings are down while robberies and burglaries are up (which is not surprising in an economic crisis).
And yet 75% of New Yorkers are somehow much more afraid for their lives!
Why???
This fear is not based on reality... It is based on the spin of the media and politicians. Because that is how they control you and how they win elections.
I think you need to take a long hard look at actual statistics before spreading fear. (And in a city of 8 million people, less than 500 people murdered is NOT a reason for people to freak out. Especially when in reality, it is actually far lower than most years in the past half a century.)
Seriously... It's time to open our eyes and look beyond the spin and stop letting ourselves being controlled by fear.
Year Murders 1928 404[note 1] 1929 425 1930 494 1931 588 1932 579 1933 541 1934 458 1935 1936 510 1937–1938 1939 291 1940 275 1941 268 1942 265 1943 201 1944 288 1945 292 1946 346 1947 333 1948 315 1949 301 1950 294 1951 243 1952 309 1953 350 1954 342 1955 306 1956 315 1957 314 1958 354 Year Murders 1959 390 1960 482 1961 483 1962 631 1963 548 1964 636 1965 634 1966 654 1967 746 1968 986 1969 1043 1970 1117 1971 1466 1972 1691 1973 1680 1974 1554 1975 1645 1976 1622 1977 1557 1978 1504 1979 1733 1980 1814 1981 1826 1982 1668 1983 1622 1984 1450 1985 1384 1986 1582 1987 1672 1988 1896
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Year Murders 2019 319 2020 468 2021 488
Edit: apologies for the formatting. it looked nice when i hit enter! lol
Pickpocket dubbed one of the NYPD’s ‘Nifty 50’ repeat offenders arrested again
As per webcrims, the suspect has 5 active court cases across two boroughs stemming from incidents occurring between September thru last week. He is currently in custody on 30K Bond/15K Cash bail.
Suspect has over 60 total arrest, with 13 occurring this year.
>It was Progressives in NYC that ignored crime in a city with lower crime rates than Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, Houston, and Dallas
Progressives in NYC love to dismiss crime concerns.
Why do some people care so much about crime?
"I don’t know why that’s so important to you" - Hochul
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>And in a city of 8 million people, less than 500 people murdered is NOT a reason for people to freak out. Especially when in reality, it is actually far lower than most years in the past half a century
Way to dismiss concerns.
A vast fraction of those victims are POC.
The likelihood of a black person being murdered in NYC is 19x greater compared to a white person.
Many of the victims today were not even born in the 90s. Why stats from a previous century should be relevant for them?
Remind me again how many House seats flipped in NYC.
Murders and shootings are down while burglaries, robberies, assaults, etc are up, and per-rider subway crimes are way up. I'm glad the murder rate continues to fall, but you don't get to straight up ignore these other major crimes, as much as you'd like to.
>This fear is not based on reality...
Fear of being assaulted or robbed is absolutely based on reality. Fear or being harassed or menaced is also absolutely based on reality. You even agreed above that these crimes are up.
>robberies and burglaries are up (which is not surprising in an economic crisis).
What kind of nonsense excuse is this?
Does it bother you that you just ignored a core part of my argument?: "instead of trying to gaslight the majority of the population, why not... address the crime and the policies that allow serial offenders and dangerous people to walk around with dozens of priors and continue hurting innocent people?" Does it not make sense to try to fix that?
> Something tells me you don't know what this phrase means. . .
It means a hyper-focus on lower murder and shooting rates while ignoring skyrocketing per-rider subway crime rates, assaults, and countless other major quality-of-life crimes in pursuit of a political agenda.
> Remind me again how many house seats in NYC flipped?
House seats in New York State flipped because of state-wide light-on-crime policies that are pushed through by progressives in NYC, and those seats have changed the balance of power across the country. Progressives are getting thrown under the bus for that, and rightfully so.
LOL, so a seat flipped in the Hudson Valley/Catskills, not because it’s an off year election, but because of progressives in nyc “ignoring” crime on the subway. . . omfg, you guys will reach for anything to blame progressives.
As far as “skyrocketing” is concerned, anytime you have such low numbers to begin with, you’re going to get high percentages if things go up or down. The murder rate in Uvalde has skyrocketed. Do you think that’s because of progressives in nyc too?
If you’re truly arguing in good faith - go look this up. What are your chances of being in a car accident in nyc if you drive vs your chances of being a victim of violent crime in the subway? Which is higher?
> But at his early Wednesday morning arraignment on the latest two grand-larceny charges, Mickens was finally held on bail — $15,000 cash in each case.
Fucking finally
Your responses are complete nonsense. Feel free to keep ignoring crime and blaming everyone else, it doesn't matter to me. The Democratic party is blaming you just like they should be, and progressives will become more and more marginalized with these idiotic policies as time goes on.
In terms of comparison of absolute numbers, there is no accurate data on unreported crimes like menacing and harassment on the subway, including serious threats of violence and even many assaults. I'm telling you that your data is worthless, and a huge chunk of the city that has been victimized on the subway with no police report involved agrees with me.
Keep ignoring the problem, you just lost the Democrats the US House. I only hope that progressives will bear the brunt of their own stupidity.
> The 14-year-old, who is now facing attempted murder and criminal possession-of-a-weapon charges, has 18 prior arrests dating back to 2018
I don't see what Adams has to do with this. Kid should have been locked up for 4 years by now.
We should investigate his parents, too.
Ahhh, my data is worthless. Your feelings are more accurate I assume? This is a joke of an argument. How many incidents of road rage and small property damage to cars do you think goes unreported every day? I’m guessing you just don’t like the comparison because it highlights your hyperbole.
Remind me again what the Dem to Republican ratio is in the NY State Senate and the NY State Assembly. . .
Really? He should have been locked up at 10 years old?
I could see being in removed from his home. But locked up?
Yes more violent crime happens in poorer neighborhoods which are far more likely to have POC. Would you like to explore the roots of that issue? Because the causes for that aren’t discussed by the same conservatives pushing “law and order.” And the solutions for it are just as reviled by them as bringing up those root causes.
Root causes have been discussed, but the actions of many self-proclaimed progressive politicians suggest they actually want to make the problem worse.
Too many teens today are becoming first-time criminal violent offenders:
Exposing teens to violent crimes is a bigger factor than poverty (4.7x stronger than poverty). Yet, they passed laws to allow repeat violent teenagers offenders continue. Gangs keep recruiting teens, and yet they want the NYPD to stop tracking gangs, etc.
Distrust in the police is a bigger factor than poverty (2.6x stronger than poverty). Yet, they keep dissemination distrust in the police, and blocking measures to improve community trust in the police, etc.
Exposing teens to violent crimes and distrust in the police is not why people of color are concentrated in the poorest neighborhoods of the city (and the country on a larger scale).
Why do you think politicians are trying to make the problem worse?
Are they trying to highlight the concentration of poverty…. by somehow making non-poverty factors on criminalization even stronger?
How are which politicians making the problem worse?
Uh, the crime posters are definitely in favor of imprisoning children, mentally disabled people, etc. (trial not necessary of course)
3 women stabbed to death in Queens home
Very little known/made public at the moment. Victims were aged 26, 46 and 57.
dont believe fox news
>Three women were found stabbed to death in a Queens home Friday, police said.
>The women, ages 26, 46 and 57, were discovered in a Springfield Gardens residence on 182nd Street near 146th Drive by a home health aide around 10:40 a.m., according to police and law enforcement sources.
>One of the women was bedridden, the sources said.
>The victims were pronounced dead at the scene, police said.
>Cops are searching for a relative of at least one of the victims, who is believed to have fled the location around 5 a.m. and is considered a suspect in connection with the slayings, sources said.
> Suspect has over 60 total arrest, with 13 occurring this year.
Clearly the issue is that Candy Crush is pushing new updates too often.
I'm sorry but did you say that comparing crime rates from 25 years ago to today is irrelevant because many people were not born then??
Statistics matter because they show that the crime rate has NOT jumped in any significant matter (and in fact has decreased in terms of life-threatening encounters), yet an overwhelming portion of the population is far more afraid than they were.
Think about WHY that would be. (Hint: You are being manipulated!)
Do you remember back to the 2018 midterms where Trump was declaring states of emergency and sending federal troops to the border because supposedly caravans of murderers were flooding into this country? (Very conveniently right before the election!)
And then do you remember all of that fearmingering just miraculously being swept under the rug the week after the elections?
I remember.
This was not a coincidence. It was a political strategy. And it is the VERY SAME strategy that they used leading up to these midterms. Because getting people to be afraid is how they get elected. (And it's clearly working if 75% of the city is suddenly afraid for their lives and the suburbs flipped Republican for the first time ever.)
We've seen it time and time again, since 9/11 and beyond. And it's important that we start recognizing it for what it is. They are manipulating people's emotions to be able to better control them.
Edit: you downvoted me, and yet look what came out today!
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/foxs-coverage-violent-crime-has-dropped-after-midterms
Imagine that.
There's a difference between addressing policy and spreading fear.
Show me actual numbers (as I did for you).
Is going from 350 to 450 people in a city of 8 million ( 0.004% vs 0.005% chance of being harmed) really a reason to everyone to suddenly fear for their lives?? Or is it manipulation.
You keep arguing that your fear is justified. And I am telling you that is not based in reality. (Or math)
> trial not necessary of course
With the dismissal of 41% of robbery and weapons possession cases, and 33% of grand larceny cases in 2021, it seems like at least one DA in this city agrees.
This is bullshit. Execution on the spot for all crimes!
And you dodge the question again! Amazing! You honestly won't even acknowledge these policies. That's incredible. It's like talking to a wall or one of the robots from West World. "Doesn't look like anything to me!"
> You keep arguing that your fear is justified. And I am telling you that is not based in reality. (Or math)
Per-rider subway crimes are up at least 50% and in some parts of the pandemic, double. Harassment and menacing are simply unreported en masse, and dozens of high profile crimes this year have been committed by mentally ill or drug addicted homeless people with dozens of prior arrests, which is totally preventable and totally unacceptable. And the best you can do is just hope that people stop calling you out on that to your face. You don't even have a response. It's laughable.
> Ahhh, my data is worthless. Your feelings are more accurate I assume?
Snark doesn't make.up for missing data. Nobody gives a shit how confidently wrong you are.
Like I said, feel free to ignore things. The progressives are going to get curbed stomped by other constituencies going forward. They have an abysmal record on the quality of life in major American cities. Their policies are unrecognizable to European progressives. None of them are so stupid as to try to ignore crime and try to solve homelessness by throwing more money at ignoring root causes. Vulnerable groups in the US deserve better than your brain-dead logic. American progressives deserve to suffer.
> American progressives deserve to suffer.
Take a deep breath. I can read you seething through your teeth as you type.
Surprise, surprise. Who could’ve predicted that?
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Attempted Rape in Riverside Park Thwarted by Witnesses; Suspect Arrested
>A woman was the victim of an attempted rape Tuesday at around 5:15pm in Riverside Park near West 87th Street. Members of the public witnessed the attack and called 911, resulting in the arrest of a suspect.
And oh look at that!!
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/foxs-coverage-violent-crime-has-dropped-after-midterms
Gee... If only someone had seen THAT coming... 🤔
Turn off the brainwashing and live your fucking life.
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I'm angry because I actually give a shit, and I'm tired of innocent people suffering for your abject stupidity and complete lack of life experience.
hispanic/latino is an ethnicity not a race.
Shootout with police leaves 1 dead, 1 in custody; narcotics operation in Manhattan: sources >INWOOD, Manhattan (WABC) -- One person is dead and another is in police custody after a narcotics operation in Manhattan ended in a shootout with law enforcement.
>Officials say the incident happened around 8:40 p.m. in the Inwood section.
>An undercover joint narcotics operation between federal partners and the NYPD turned fatal when law enforcement tried to arrest a suspect.
>Sources say two suspects fired at police as they were moving the investigation into the first floor of an apartment building.
>Gunshots were exchanged between both law enforcement and the two suspects.
>One suspect was killed as the second suspect tried to barricade himself inside the apartment.
>No members of law enforcement were injured during this incident and the second suspect was eventually taken into custody.
>Two guns, one belonging to each of the suspects, was recovered at the scene. Charges against the suspect in police custody are pending.
> Christopher Cedeno, was identified by the police as a resident of 330 West 95th Street, a supportive housing facility for formerly homeless veterans.
no, not a mentally ill homeless person...shocking
>It comes after Mickens was allowed to walk out of Manhattan Criminal Court just last month on charges in two earlier thefts — only to allegedly pick another pocket behind the courthouse less than an hour later, according to court documents.
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Most people on this sub are perfectly fine with living in a city where a guy can be released from jail, and so eager to reoffend that he does so outside of the court house, and is still not held pre-trail.
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Look at issues, not parties. Adams is proof the black community doesn't feel safe, they're just not willing to vote Republican (and who could blame them for feeling that way?).
Not sure, I’ll have to ask your mom
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Pro-Crime Libs: "This is an acceptable amount of violence to me. I don't worry about it because it will never affect me."
Man with weapons, Nazi armband arrested at Penn Station for making threats to NYC synagogues
>An unhinged 22-year-old man has been arrested for making threats to Big Apple synagogues, sources said.
>The suspect, Christopher Brown, was collared at the Long Island Rail Road platform at Penn Station late Friday night, carrying weapons and a Nazi armband recovered in his bag, the sources added.
>The twisted suspect was wearing a T-shirt that said, “I have a gun and I’m schizophrenic,” according to the sources. The phrase on the shirt was written in reverse.
>The FBI/NYPD Joint Task force had been on the trail of Brown, a “diagnosed schizophrenic” who recently made overtures to family that he was interested in going to New York and buying a gun, the sources said.
>Brown, of Aquebogue, was arrested at 11:30 p.m. and charged with making terroristic threats, aggravated harassment and criminal possession of a weapon, the NYPD said.
>When Brown was arrested he had the arm band, a ski mask and a large hunting knife, sources said.
>The threats — which escalated on Friday — were allegedly made on Twitter, sources said. Cops also recovered a Glock 17 with an extended magazine, the sources said. The weapon was found in a backpack in the Upper West Side home of 22-year-old Matthew Mahrer, the sources added. He was charged with criminal possession of a weapon, the sources said. Brown and Mahrer are believed to have been traveling together, the sources added.
I think these threads can be constructive given crime is on a lot of people's minds. Anecdotally, I do feel like the city has gotten less safe and at the same time have noticed recent uptick in police presence on streets and in subway stations, yet I don't know how helpful that is.
Now that the elections are over, I am curious to hear people's thoughts on two fronts:
I’m pretty sure crimes and quality of life is not a problem for many people in NYC.
I’m also pretty sure that most of those people completely lack the awareness of how privileged their life is (even for NYC standards).
So they are not equipped to comprehend anyone who complains about those things.
To compound the issue, we have the politicization of it: people who have concern about crimes get labeled in all kinds of derogatory or dismissive manner, so the people who is unaware of their privileged start thinking that those who express concern must be malicious or brainwashed by the media / GOP.
I’m also convinced that people who have been downplaying concerns have actually made them worse. And have unwittingly helped the GOP in this past election cycle.
Because the act of dismissing the concern of someone tends to make the concern become more intense. That must have suppressed turnout (for people who couldn’t get themselves to vote republican), or must have increased turnout (for people who could hold their nose and vote republican).
Damn, you could feed a whole stable of horses with all the hay you needed to build that strawman.
“Pro crime”. Lol. Give me a break. Nobody here is pro crime but you.
Dude typed “libs” so hard his mom is gonna picking pizza rolls out of his keyboard for weeks….
Thanks for the assessment — I think you are right. But that still doesn’t answer the question of what the solution is.
It seems like people either were saying “Stop listening to Republicans” or “Vote Republican” (or some other variation) during the election season. Now that that’s over, I am wondering if anyone has any non-political ideas of what a solution might look like.
This is like something my grandpa would say.
I wrote a few in a past thread:
In addition to those, I believe the solution should include what progressives used to advocate for:
But what we have today is the advocacy of approximately the opposite:
Thanks for sharing!
YoUvE nEvEr BeEn A vIcTiM (yes please just lock up all the theoretically bad people
Take your weird projections about everyone you hate living in their parents basement elsewhere, thanks. Its an odd fantasy my guy.
It was a blood relative. Already in custody. He fled to Virginia and was caught because he ran out of gas on the I-95
"I don't know why that's so important to you."
He really thought he did something there.
Ah yes, the person who wants to increase public safety is pro-crime. Smfh, its so senseless I can't even.
>MANHATTAN (PIX11) — Two men were robbed aboard a Manhattan train Friday night, police said.
>The victims, ages 21 and 25, were riding the E train when two men threatened them as the subway was approaching the Canal Street stop at around 8:45 p.m., police said. The suspects allegedly pushed the 21-year-old man to the ground and kicked him in the head before taking his wallet, police said.
>The robbers then stole cellphones from both victims and fled when the train stopped at Canal Street, police said.
>The 21-year-old victim suffered minor injuries and refused medical attention at the scene. The second victim was not injured, police said.
>The NYPD released photos of the suspects but no descriptions were provided.
"Man, I did Nazi that coming..."
Two teenagers shot on Staten Island
Via NYP.
I do feel like it is a problem, so I'll move on to the next question...
>If you do feel crime is a major problem in NY, what do you think the solution is? Or what can ordinary NYers do?
The solution is to fix bail reform, and lock up repeat offenders, while also implementing long term social solutions to these problems such as better educations, afterschool and sports programs, etc. so we can stop criminalizing the youth in low income communities.
In terms of bail reform, we need to allow judges to hold people pre-trial if they determine they are a danger, which is nothing something the law currently allows for. we also need to reform discovery laws which are crushing the DA's offices with an undue amount of work producing documents that sometimes have no impact on a proceeding. We need to bring back involuntary institutionalization, but in a compassionate way, no lobotomies or shock therapy. Violent mentally ill people need to be kept on their meds and kept away from the general population. We should make it a crime to sleep on a train or sidewalk; the only penalty being you are held in a shelter overnight. But we need to stop letting the homeless refuse services, they need the help and they'll never get there if we don't make them. These are a few suggestions that would help greatly.
What can people do? Be vocal. Many on this sub could stop denying the problems. That's a start. I'm not advising anyone to go out and become batman, but if you feel comfortable intervening if someone is in danger, do so (at your own risk). Those of us who can have to keep a watchful eye. Sometimes just being alert and making eye-contact with someone who a menacing say a train can prevent them from flying completely off the handle. Ultimately tho, for the public's part, its going to take advocacy, not action in the moment.
People downvoting this joke: lighten up. Its a joke. He is Jewish and had a Nazi arm band. That is *unusual*.
"OMG 30 priors - who could've seen this coming!?!"
>We should make it a crime to sleep on a train or sidewalk; the only penalty being you are held in a shelter overnight. But we need to stop letting the homeless refuse services, they need the help and they'll never get there if we don't make them. These are a few suggestions that would help greatly.
We should make it a crime to be this absolutely fυскіnɡ stupid and ignorant, the only penalty being you lose the right to vote.
Are you fυскіnɡ serious? Criminalizing homelessness?
Moving a homeless person from a train or from the streets to a shelter sounds reasonable.
Making it mandatory also seems reasonable, specially if that’s becoming a public disturbance. If I understand correctly, the only thing that would be illegal would be to refuse it.
Criminalizing homelessness is terrible because homelessness is not something people usually choose, it’s something they are a “victim” of.
But people who purposefully choose to stay homeless when there are available alternatives? I don’t think that’s in the same league of moral/ethical consideration.
The guys above phrased it poorly but he is right to suggest some sort of action (forced treatment ,forced move to a shelter , etc) is needed to tackle the homeless problem in the short term. Sure , do long term things but need something short term.
>But people who purposefully choose to stay homeless when there are available alternatives?
One day you ought to ask a homeless person (or actually look it up) WHY they don't go to a shelter.
It wouldn't possibly cross your mind that there might be a reason now, would you?
https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/4/5/22366758/new-yorkers-choose-streets-over-homeless-shelters
The other reason they MIGHT be homeless is (who woulda thunk) the enormous wage/wealth disparity, where wages have stagnated for 15 years while housing/living costs have multiplied by at least a factor of 4 over the past 20 years, and yet all that gets built is more and more luxury housing because guess what, there's no profit for developers in building 'affordable' housing.
Otherwise known as 'late-stage capitalism.'
It's completely tone-deaf and sanctimonious of you and anyone else to pass judgement on homeless, or tell them what they should do, or suggest laws be passed to criminalize people simply for being poor.
I find it comical no one is suggesting passing any legislation to increase funding for homeless services and looking for solutions like increasing taxing on developers, who are making end-runs around zoning laws to build more and more unnecessary luxury skyscrapers while getting BILLIONS in city and state subsidies, i/e free money, while letting the homeless forever twist in the wind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/31/nyregion/nyc-tax-credit-housing-crisis.html
>A hate-spewing trio called a man an “Asian pig” and kicked and punched him on a Midtown train after demanding that he and a female companion give up their seats, cops said Sunday.
>The three suspects, a man and two women, approached their 42-year-old victim and his 41-year-old female companion, who are both Asian, on the shuttle train from Grand Central Station to Times Square around 8 p.m. Saturday, police said.
>The suspects ordered the victims to give up their seats, cops said. When that apparently didn’t happen, the suspects punched and kicked the male victim, leaving him with a small cut on his head, according to cops.
>The suspects then fled the train at Times Square.
>The victim refused medical attention, cops said.
NYC already spends 3 billion per year in homelessness.
You’re once more mixing people who become homeless involuntarily with those who choose to stay homeless.
You can’t blame that on capitalism.
If you’re blaming incompetence on the homeless shelter operations, lack of safety etc, then I’m with you here.
Luckily that big ass red jacket will be easy to identify. That is, if anyone at NYPD cares, which they don't.
Now do the same for Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville, Houston, and Dallas.
Considering most of these attackers usually have dozens of prior arrests, the cops do care, the DAs and judges dont
> Because the act of dismissing the concern of someone tends to make the concern become more intense.
Yep. It's one thing to have a problem. It's an entirely worse thing to have a problem and realize that half the population denies its existence and will actively fight attempts to solve it.
Own your beliefs and policies. Or just admit you don't have anything helpful to say.
You're pretty pro-crime. You've argued in favor of ignoring it as much as possible in this sub, and you post here constantly despite claiming you're above it.
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Don’t the shuttle trains have the seats removed? Imagine being such an idiot that you commit a crime for a 1-stop seat? I know it’s not about the seat but about hate, asserting dominance and intimidating people, but this is so ridiculous.
Gerrymandering did lose Ithaca and Syracuse. Look at the new area in 26- won by election denier, and Pelosi's husband meme-mocker Claudia Tenny. Now spans the suburbs of Buffalo up almost to Watertown. Not exactly like populations. Crime isn't an issue upstate as much as in the city. Ignorance of relatable issues and fear of removal of rights (mostly guns, not women's) is the driving force. They all still think trump is a big laugh on the politicians. Everyone should look at all the campaign websites of all the flipped dem losers before they are removed. Who tf manages those? A ten year old could do better.
Riker's has a reported murder rate of 0.
Would that make Riker's safer than the streets of NYC? Would that invalidate anyone who complains about Riker's?
It can be both true that the GOP has an interest in highlighting crimes issue, and crimes issues being legitimate.
That's not too different to what happens in every political campaign. Media coverage of Zeldin being a Trump Jan/06 supporter and anti-abortion went up right before the elections.
The media covering certain facts according to the election schedule doesn't justify dismissing those facts.
Week-to-week comparison is showing a decline in crimes compared to the same week in 2021.
Even though the year-to-date comparison is still showing a staggering double-digit increase for all major felonies compared to 2021 (expect murder and shootings crimes... which can't be easily downgraded into a non bail-eligible offenses).
And it can also be true that politicians and the media use propaganda to control you.
And fear is the easiest and most effective, because fear is personal and it is paralyzing. People who are afraid tend to make bad and hasty decisions. (Hell, Americans voluntarily gave up ALL of our rights to privacy after 9/11. We created the NSA and accepted the fact that they are always watching. We install apps on our phones to spy on our online activity. We accepted being barricaded and penned in at all city parades and big gatherings. We accepted metal detectors and bag checks at every building and cameras on every corner. We accepted the joke that is airport TSA. And we've even helped them to spy on us by getting Alexa devices in our homes and Ring doorbells to spy on our neighbors. (Oh and let's not forget the "If you see something, say something" campaign that led to a nation of Karens feeling entitled to harass people on the street because they didn't "look like they belong there"!) And honestly, what did it actually get us?? Have these tactics made us any safer or just easier to monitor? And at what price to our freedom? And it's also not just personal safety that they use fear for. Do you remember the last 2 weeks of Bush Jr's presidency where they told us that if we didn't bail out wall street to the tune of trillions of dollars our economy would collapse and this country would die? There were no hearings or discussions or rational conversations had... They just backed up the truck and filled it with money to dole out to his buddies before leaving office. And people accepted it because they were told to be afraid of what would happen if they didn't. Same with the idea that immigrants are murderers and rapists who are taking all of your jobs, when the truth of the matter is that corporations are hiring less people in order to pay their executives more.)
There are a million examples I could use, but the premise is always the same, time and time again -- Convince people to be afraid of something and you can get them to agree to anything. There is no factual or legitimate reason for 75% of New Yorkers (NYCers?) to suddenly fear for their lives when the amount of actual increase in crime is either negligible or has gone down.
They are playing you. And I think that this country as a whole needs to wake up and recognize the manipulation that is taking place.
>There is no factual or legitimate reason for 75% of New Yorkers (NYCers?) to suddenly fear for their lives
Who is claiming that 75% figure?
>when the amount of actual increase in crime is either negligible or has gone down.
Have you even seen any statistics from the past few years?
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The prison system itself is a shit show. Prison should be seen as a punishment, but reformation should be a top priority. There are people who genuinely where fucked by the system and led terrible lives. If you know anything about repeat offenders, it happens because prisoners aren’t given any guidance after jail. It’s the institution’s fault. Involuntary institutionalization was known to be abusive and I’m sure should it be reinstated, it would need to be HEAVILY monitored.
the DA lives here. That he wants to reduce crime or not?
Sorry, it was the Daily News article that the other guy linked above.
And yes, I have. Murders and deaths have gone down while robberies and burglaries have gone up. But they're nowhere near the rates of past decades. (There's a link in that article to the NYPD stats page as well)
I think murders alone is not a good metric. By that metric, Riker’s would be the safest place because it has a murder rate of 0, but we all know people there don’t feel safe.
But felony assaults in 2022 are on pace to be the highest year in this century.
I also think that the way they phrased that survey, it’s not unreasonable for a lot of people to say they worry about being a victim of violence.
Like anyone who goes to a subway and tries to avoid standing close to the platform edge to avoid being shoved? I think it’s fair for them to answer yes, even though most people just internalize that as a common sense defensive posture.
Anyone who gets into a subway car with some jittery person who starts acting up? I think it’s also fair to feel concerned.
Even if there are so few of those violent individuals, the problem with high density is that it allows so few individuals to reach so many people. It’s hard to say the media is solely to blame.
I get what you're saying, but I'd be curious to see the felony assault stats if you have them. Because in a city of 8 million people, going from a 0.005% chance of being harmed to a 0.006% chance (or whatever the actual number may be)... while it's certainly something to be aware of and to look into why we are trending slightly upwards, it's still not really a legit reason for people to be sounding the alarms or fearing for their safety.
The coverage I've seen in the media, combined with the fact that multiple friends from many states away (who used to live here) have said to me that they "heard the city got really bad these days"... Yeah I don't believe that's just a coincidence. I think it's an intentional shaping of the narrative for personal or political gain
Edit: i actually went back to the NYPD link - the article was written in June but as of October, the number of felony assaults have actually gone down while murders are now higher - but still neither in any significant way.
I think we are going to end up with 25000 or 26000 felony assaults.
So if a person knows on average 100 people in NYC (like people they normally interact with, neighbors, coworkers, friends, classmates) I think that’s 2.5M people who knows someone who was victimized by a felony assault in a year? 30% of the population?
There’s probably a lot of overlap because the violence is not evenly distributed (like a Black person is 19x more likely to be murdered in NYC than a White person). But that’s gotta make an impact on people’s perception when a survey or election time comes.
I’m with you that people from other states who only hear about NYC in the media are just out of touch and driven by the media. But I also think it’s be a mistake to mix them with the people who have first or genuine second-hand knowledge of crimes happening.
And I see what you're saying about the odds of knowing someone who got assaulted, but still... as the number is actually less than it was last year, yet the fear has increased (by seemingly a lot), there is another factor at play here. And I've seen first-hand how the media operates, so my normal cynicism is on high alert with this one!
https://compstat.nypdonline.org/2e5c3f4b-85c1-4635-83c6-22b27fe7c75c/view/89
But everyone makes the choice for themselves how to react and how to live. I personally choose to take it all with a grain of salt - to stay aware of my surroundings, to not stand right at the platform edge lol, and to not live in fear. Because with the exception of 9/11, that has always been the NY way. :)
In compstat there’s a weekly, 28 day and year-to-date comparison. The past few weeks actually had a decline in many crimes compared to last year. The year-to-date comparison still indicates double digit increases in many crimes.
Speaking of the media, the media is also liable in exaggerating the opposite narrative too.
Like this Bloomberg article comparing death rates, as if people who are worried about crimes perceive deaths by accidents with a rural equipment as the same as a deaths by a random subway shoving.
> as if people who are worried about crimes perceive deaths by accidents with a rural equipment as the same as a deaths by a random subway shoving.
I guarantee you the victims of these events percieve them the same way.
Interesting stats! Lots of different breakdowns there. And yep, they can be spun in any direction they want the narrative to go.
I was once sitting on a park bench and a homeless person told me it was "his" bench. Without a word I gave him "his" bench. Is it fun to be treated like that? Of course not. But if you're sitting on a 1-stop shuttle and some racist asshole wants your seat, just give him your damn seat and walk away. You're not going to win a fight with crazy.
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Slashing at Union Square at 4 pm.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/11/man-slashed-in-face-at-nyc-union-square-subway-stop/