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geneb0322 t1_j6fjswx wrote

>... just wait until the New Yorkers hear about it.

Is this part of the satire? I swear almost everyone I meet is from New York anymore.

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instantcoffee69 t1_j6fkwd4 wrote

Genuinely funny, BUT..

Sadly, many people actually think this, and many more support policies that are in line with this.

If Richmond is a popular and attractive place to live, we should... Build much more housing, attract more business, upgrade infrastructure, blow tons of money on public transportation.

The best thing for the city to do is capitalize on the boom of people, and not resist it.

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JustStudyItOut t1_j6fmty0 wrote

I deliver mail in the Westover Hills area. Everyone moving here is from three places. SoCal, Arizona, and New York. They all work (or maybe worked at this point) for every tech company you can think of.

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Tater428 t1_j6foxcq wrote

Me, from Lynchburg, moving to Nova then to Richmond…

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RulerOfTheRest t1_j6fsrum wrote

While the whole article is satire, there is a bit of truth in the concept of the article. Someone who moved down here in 2018 would likely have come down here for work or school. But since the pandemic, the lower cost of living became attractive to people who could work remotely while still commanding a higher salary, which in turn put pressure on the housing market causing housing prices and rent to increase far beyond the rate of inflation, therefore making it harder for those who were already established in the greater RVA to be able to afford to live here on their incomes that did not grow at the same rate...

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DustySleeve t1_j6g5zc7 wrote

The west end is nova with huntin guns, change my mind. I mean not like wherever tysons is nova, thats world class spook money, but a suburbs a suburb

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FARTBOSS420 t1_j6g6go5 wrote

Ok how bout some objectivity?

Unless you've been drunk at the Coliseum during a hockey game, your ass is fake.

/s :) But also for real lol

Also said "hockey game" before bringing up there were like 3 different teams called the Renegades, we got demoted with a more amateur further from pro league every time. And the Robins etc.

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DustySleeve t1_j6g85y5 wrote

I mean rich kids moving in from the suburbs, north or west, have the same effects on the city. Ill grant northern kids are more aspirational and ladder climby, but the social and economic impacts are harmonious at the very least.

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FlexRVA21984 t1_j6gf43n wrote

As an RVA native who has lived here my entire life, I agree 100%!! The number of ppl I’ve known that would talk like they were Richmonders, when they were transplants, is truly staggering. 😂 I always call em out 🤣

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me2dumb4college t1_j6ggnhn wrote

For what it's worth... I've been here for about 10 years, but still don't consider myself a local.

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HatefulDan t1_j6gh34v wrote

They are. It’s just that it’s unaffordable and are starting to resemble NOVA prices. It once was that if you charged over 1k for housing, that you’d have allllll the amenities. Now, even the shit sheds are 1k

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The8thHammer t1_j6gstuh wrote

Lived here my entire life, everyone is welcome. What's happening with economic development in rva is happening everywhere, regardless of how many people from nova move there. Sure, more folks with higher incomes moving here means more corporate business in the area but it also means more people to spend money at the locally owned retail/restaurants as well. Our crime levels are too high for values to get too ridiculous anyways.

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KazahanaPikachu t1_j6gt5l2 wrote

It’s because the New Yorkers that move somewhere will always be the first to tell you they’re from NYC. If you can’t tell from their accents…..well they’re from NYC and they won’t hesitate to let you know about it! They’ll complain about how everything isn’t like how it is in the city, and they bring their shitty big city habits down south.

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kickingpplisfun t1_j6gt751 wrote

Yeah, the rapid inflation of rents for people here for "affordable" housing drove me out of Richmond and back to my parents'...

In April, my rent went up by about 20%, then my roommate who makes a lot more than me left because I was unable to find another roommate who could get us to 3x income.

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nilsrva t1_j6gyato wrote

We should have rent control. The biggest complaint about outsiders coming in is that they raise the cost of living. Building more housing is great, but long-term residents should be able to keep their homes. When the lady next door who has been in there 17 years cant afford the rent and some DC tech bro moves in, then you repeat this pattern for the whole block you have an aspect of Richmond that is now dead and give credence to the sentiment that people from NOVA are strangling us.

I will sound old and crochety here, but I no longer know or speak to almost any of my neighbors. I have been in the same spot nigh on a decade now and used to know and communicate with most of the block. We would garden together, I would salt the steps for people in winter etc.. I only know the few hangers-on at this point. I have tried starting a conversation with the people next door and you'd think I was asking for their kidneys.

I should also add that I moved to RVA from NOVA in 2010 as an 18y.o VCU freshman; which is as stereotypical an experience as I can craft. Although it was some time before I would tell people I'm from Richmond because it takes some time to feel that way. Now I don't think anyone would say I am not a Richmonder (and go fuck yourself if you do.)

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H-Resin t1_j6gzfhx wrote

100% on the nose. Unfortunately this city and most of this state is completely broken. No change will come, and private interests will suck the population dry. For a majority democrat state we have an atrocious record on actually taking care of our residents

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H-Resin t1_j6gzmr7 wrote

Yeah there are a lot of 30-40 year old Florida natives in Richmond. Particularly of the early 00s art related scenes. Used to be pretty common, apparently Gainesville is very similar to Richmond

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Skatejay t1_j6h0ti7 wrote

Virginiaaa beachhhhhhh to Richmond and I wanna go back to my beautiful island in the sun

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choicebutts t1_j6h2u5t wrote

Every region complains about these things. When I was in NOVA, I decried all of the transplants from Ohio.

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Lokky t1_j6hd6g3 wrote

The city by and large isn't seeing additional tax revenue tho. The vast majority of new construction is in the surrounding counties so us living in the city are just going to choke on the added traffic without seeing any infrastructure upgrades.

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gowhatyourself t1_j6hlppj wrote

This is why when people on here say they want more affordable housing I don't think they realize just how unaffordable newer construction would be for most people without massive subsidies the city doesn't have due to how they don't pull in revenue from the counties....where most people are moving anyway.

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revel911 t1_j6hp78v wrote

I just want to know what is going to happen to all these apartments as they degrade over the years? They look great now, but what about 30 years from now?

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FromTheIsle t1_j6hral3 wrote

The way that you get nova is by continuing to build more suburban sprawl. Unless you can convince no one to ever build another house again...you are going to want to start advocating for more middle density at the edges of the city and in the counties.

Personally I think it's far too late and several decades of building only single family homes and strip malls has already caught up to us. We aren't going to just be "like NOVA"...we are on the cusp of being absorbed into the megalopolis that stretches from Fredericksburg to DC to Boston.

All that NIMBY-ism delivered the opposite of what people wanted.

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fractalflatulence t1_j6htek5 wrote

That’s where we differ. I think we’ve been there and for a while, shit like infrastructure is just catching up to the demographics

https://media.amtrak.com/2021/09/virginia-launches-expanded-train-service-from-downtown-richmond-to-washington-d-c-on-to-new-york-and-boston/

Edit to add: the one element I forgot to mention and people usually do is air travel within the northeast corridor.

I can take the 6am flight from RIC and be in Boston or NYC for a breakfast meeting

The megalopolis is real

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BlueXTC t1_j6hthqf wrote

Arlington 1969 to Brussels 1974 to RVA 1977.

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andycooktellem t1_j6hvh0s wrote

I recall paying $875 for a pretty nice 1br not much more than a decade ago around here...

what happened

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terenn_nash t1_j6hvhfm wrote

18 year old moving anywhere is never an issue - you nailed it with the tech bros. its remote workers with DC money moving here and pricing people out because rent suddenly isnt 5k for an 8x8 box.

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PapuaOldGuinea t1_j6hw7jc wrote

Born in UVA, lived in Rappahannock County since I was 2

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madmoneymcgee t1_j6hwiw4 wrote

Richmond and Arlington are already pretty close in terms of population and population density. Arlington is a bit higher but also covers a much smaller area.

Outside the narrow strips that run alongside metro Arlington is pretty suburban overall.

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I_Got_A_Truck t1_j6hx9yd wrote

How long do you have to live here to be considered a Richmonder?

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Lokky t1_j6i27ra wrote

This really needs to happen but I don't think there is the political will to do it, especially under trumpkin there is no way we are gonna take power away from suburbanites and give it to the city.

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chichillout t1_j6i860t wrote

We were a hidden jewel for the longest time. We’ve traded affordable housing in a great little city for a stupid bus line and breweries.

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jas121091 t1_j6i88mb wrote

To go off of this, my parents live in one of the pricier neighborhoods in the West End. The couple who moved next door to them about a year ago are from Manhattan and have full-time WFH positions. They are in their low-to-mid 30s and still on an NYC salary, so the husband was telling me they were fortunate their budget allowed for them to buy a nicer house here vs. a decent apartment in NYC.

It was kind of eye-opening for me on how drastically more expensive it is to live there lol.

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Charlesinrichmond t1_j6idy8q wrote

I think it's changed. Everyone I know in the city is from somewhere else at this point, even if it's somewhere else in Virginia. I only know a few people who grew up here, and I think only 1 who grew up in the city

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Urlilpetal t1_j6iejnq wrote

This is me about to get priced out of a building I’ve lived in for two years in the name of granite countertops and silver appliances and I’m so stressed out about it.

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redditname2003 t1_j6ieux1 wrote

There aren't going to be any more hidden jewels--it's just too expensive to live in the big cities any more outside maybe Chicago. I used to work for a company with an LA office and a coworker of mine wanted to be a house flipper, when she showed me a granny flat for $1 million my East Coast mind thought it was on the beach... no, it was by a random highway exit.

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pbb2 t1_j6ifdma wrote

As someone who moved here from Ohio, I am just glad its not us taking the heat for once.

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pocketdare t1_j6ihsug wrote

I'm assuming that you have more people in this sub in the "renting" stage of their lives than the investment / landlord stage of their lives. So naturally they'll be hostile to any argument like this because they don't anticipate what it will be like when they're actively looking for ways to grow their wealth for retirement. I'm with you 100% and many of them will be in 20 years ... but not today :)

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pocketdare t1_j6iixc8 wrote

Whoa - as a NYC transplant I just want to point out that some people move down here for other reasons. I have a mother who is getting on in years that I wanted to be closer to. And many of us NYC transplants haven't always lived in NYC so we can appreciate the differences between a huge city and a cool smaller city (there are pros and cons) without exclusively harping on the cons.

I mean, I absolutely appreciate the low cost of living, being able to get anywhere in the city in 30 minutes, being able to join a Y and swim for $50 a month, being able to walk into a Walmart and buy whatever I want and then getting lost, being able to access a super-cool river right in the city center, etc. I also feel like there are just as many breweries and some great restaurant options here as well.

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Mad-Lad-of-RVA t1_j6ism6q wrote

I moved here in 2019 (from Georgia, not NOVA, and no, not from the Atlanta metro, god damn it) and the best I can gather from this sub is never.

Nobody IRL has ever brought this issue up, though. Then again, though, I've spent most of my time in the surrounding counties—maybe people in the city proper care more.

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Ditovontease t1_j6itcfm wrote

what if you came here before the great recession and stayed through richmond's "decrepit pit" years so we earned ENJOYING THIS CITY GOD DAMN IT unlike you leeches....

jk sort of

I actually don't mind people moving from other parts of Virginia, I greatly dislike the New Yorkers/New Jersey/Californians coming here going "omg 400k 3 bed room house?! what a STEAL"

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DanSRedskins t1_j6jkxya wrote

The more the merrier. Richmond is too small. Give us growth.

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ddm2k t1_j6k9ipd wrote

Simply the case that in bigger cities with HCOL, adults in general tend to rent longer, because they HAVE to.

In small, (cheap) sleepy southern town about 10 years ago, where the 21 y/o cop and nurse were the “power couple”, two young adults could buy a house immediately after they got married with no down payment on a USDA loan, and seller paid closing costs.

No renting necessary.

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ddm2k t1_j6k9qqb wrote

There is no such thing as a completely free market and shouldn’t be. Quality of life actually regresses when you have a city who chews up and spits out those who aren’t in their working prime in hot sectors.

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FlexRVA21984 t1_j6kuw7n wrote

Where are you getting that from my response? I want to see the city grow. I just recommend folks don’t walk around acting like something they’re not. A transplant can certainly become a Richmonder, but VCU kids from NOVA don’t get to claim that. If they stick around for a decade or so after graduating, then sure.

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leftwing_rightist t1_j6lcla1 wrote

I grew up here. I went on a date with a girl who moved here for med school from somewhere else, I don't remember where. She was surprised that I'm from the city and said it's really rare. Made me realize that my only friends from Richmond are the ones I went to grade school with.

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DanSRedskins t1_j6mxizg wrote

Sure. But all these people that live in a city are acting like they want to live in the middle of nowhere.

Any decent city is going to grow. If you don't like people don't live in a city.

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RVAforthewin t1_j6n5m1d wrote

I really hate to say this, and maybe I don’t fully believe it, but maybe there needs to be some sort of regulation that allows or encourages employers to pay salaries based on home of record given the explosion of WFH. Like I said, I haven’t fully thought that idea through so I’m sure there are issues with it. I’m just not sure what else to do because the populations of these major cities (NYC, LA, Phoenix, etc.) are so astronomically larger than RVA that there’s NO way we can support more than a minute influx, and that’s not even counting DC/NoVa. At some point, RVA could primarily be comprised of WFHers who migrate here from major cities while pulling in salaries twice what locals make. It feels no different than what’s happened to places like Aspen where millionaires turned it into a playground locals can no longer afford (albeit for very diff reasons).

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