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nuthingburger t1_iu47vsq wrote
This is why one should avoid the reddit hive mind opinions about shows. Too much of it, good and bad, is due to paid astroturfing.
austinrose7 t1_iu6gfbl wrote
Case in point: The Witcher. The haters put me off of it for years despite my love for Henry Cavill and a premise that sounded cool. Finally started it a few days ago, absolutely love it so far. It’s not a Mad Men-level masterpiece in storytelling or anything, but ridiculously enjoyable 4/5 television for me. Surprisingly brutal fight sequences, lavish visuals, solid acting, and even (hot take!) solid writing.
Wish I’d started it sooner but I’m kinda glad I’ll finish it right before Blood Origin comes out on my birthday (along w/ Amazon’s Jack Ryan, another show Reddit hates but that I really like!)
fuckforforest85 t1_iu4ezls wrote
only the positive is astrosurfing by amazon, no one with money has reason to negative astrosurf
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu4mq9k wrote
That's not true at all. There's a whole cottage industry of stemming negativity around shows.
Not to mention there's any number of reasons people would pay to create conflict.
fuckforforest85 t1_iu4tlwl wrote
"Not to mention there's any number of reasons people would pay to create conflict." Name one.
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu4xhsd wrote
The hundreds of youtubers making money on hating woke culture. It's pretty damn lucrative.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu5ir25 wrote
> The hundreds of youtubers making money on hating woke culture. It's pretty damn lucrative.
By all means show me how much money these 'anti woke Youtubers' are making considering Youtube demonetizes and strikes them constantly for their opinions.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu5j2tp wrote
You want them to dig up their taxes or what? Are you really denying that people get paid for getting views on YouTube?
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu5j8ci wrote
> The hundreds of youtubers making money on hating woke culture. It's pretty damn lucrative.
So they don't know how much they make but are just assuming it is a lot?
You aren't exactly helping your buddy prove his point, just making him look worse.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu5je0f wrote
I don’t care what you think, the burden of proof you’re asking for is insane and the denial it takes to accept your point at face value even crazier. I don’t know OP just know what sea lioning looks like.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu5joq8 wrote
> the burden of proof you’re asking for is insane
Hahahahahaha so he made a statement that infers he has knowledge of the situation and asking him to share that knowledge is 'insane'?
Oh man how adorable!
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu5rm1y wrote
Critical Drinker is estimated to make 700,000 a year.
Now granted this isn't 100% factual. But its a pretty good indicator. Youtubers make money from things besides youtube algorithms. It's not that complicated to understand.
You can also look at his patreon and see he makes 4000 a month from that alone.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu5uctq wrote
...that is a film reviewer. Where does he "hate woke culture" exactly?
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu5vl5j wrote
Ah Kettle meets pot. Makes sense.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu5x2z8 wrote
So by 'hundreds' you meant 'one I can't prove'?
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu603ai wrote
I did prove it, literally posted proof he's making good money off it.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu608xx wrote
Ah yes, a 'net worth estimate' site. Those are always accurate!
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu60g6h wrote
Read again, there was multiple points. Dude's also making 50 grand off patreon alone.
Knife2MeetYouToo t1_iu60xhf wrote
If I remember correctly he's also a professional author and screenwriter.
At the end of the day suggesting you know how much money he's making off of Youtube is at best a total guess.
TheDuckQuacksAgain t1_iu61yy2 wrote
His Patreon is for his youtube channel. His books are only popular because of his youtube channel. And no he isn't a professional screenwriter.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu4twi4 wrote
Controversy leads to engagement often. Foundations of geopolitics
guiltyofnothing t1_iu5zouj wrote
Man, you can make some good money posting videos to YouTube complaining about “woke culture” and the latest controversy du jour. There are people with some very big microphones with a vested interest in keeping you outraged.
HumanOrAlien t1_iu4hojn wrote
Negative astroturfing is usually spearheaded by people with strong political opinions and shills.
SeaworthinessLeft88 t1_iu5qwtx wrote
I thought it started really slow, and I understand why people got bored and abandoned it (my wife one of them). But I thought it really picked up at the end, and I really enjoyed it.
bergskey t1_iu6ic5w wrote
I'm one of those people who abandoned it. It kept putting me to sleep in the middle of the day, literally. It's visually stunning, but I found it so boring and flat. Now that it's over, I might try to binge it at some point, but it could not hold my attention.
shepx13 t1_iu49dum wrote
It’s a shame that the Uber Dorks have review bombed this. We’ve loved the show so far and can’t wait till the next season.
God_Is_Pizza t1_iub29tp wrote
Have you watch Slow Horses or Gangs of London? Second not really a mystery and first is more of a Spy Thriller but I binged the shit out of that last weekend and loved it.
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froop t1_iu4e4rv wrote
Long doesn't mean slow. The trilogy tells the entire LOTR story in 9 (or 12) hours. That's not slow, that's dense. RoP takes 8 hours to tell barely any story at all. Hours pass where nothing happens. The characters are barely developed. We can't even begin to have character arcs because we don't know who most of them are in the first place. That's slow.
wednesdayware t1_iu5vj4q wrote
I would say we have a good idea of who all of the major characters are (The Stranger aside), what they believe in and stand for.
aManHasNoUsername99 t1_iu49dnh wrote
I enjoyed the show and would say it had a pretty slow pace. I thought the slow pace was enjoyable in some parts and annoying in others.
ZachMich t1_iu4rsnd wrote
> i'm guessing they haven't seen the 9 hours of movies then
I've watched them, I saw Two Towers last weekend. I still found it more entertaining and it went 'faster' than any single episode of this show.
People don’t mean viewing length when they say its slow, they mean its slow
Baron105 t1_iu7k1ya wrote
Forget precise complaints. I read the books 16 years ago and watched the complete first trilogy maybe even further back but you could tell within 10 mins of the show starting that they had literally no idea what they were getting involved with.
The monologue on why a ship floats is literally so dumb alongside a myriad of other random happenings. The dialogue, the writing, the characters are all completely bland and outright moronic.
LilyWhiteClaw t1_iu3ubod wrote
This post will get downvoted but the negative one from business insider will reach the top of the sub. The hate boner for this show on here is crazy.
mrnicegy26 t1_iu3vb44 wrote
I don't really have any strong opinion on this show but it is fascinating how divisive it is overall. It doesn't seem to be an atrocity that its biggest haters claim it is, but it is also not the ultimate fantasy show that it's supporters claim.
Honestly for a show that is just 7/10, I don't get why it inspires so much passion on both sides other than the fact it belongs to the Lord of the Rings IP. And even then its not like its existence will somehow erase the existence of the original books or the Peter Jackson movies.
RyanB_ t1_iu3xnq8 wrote
The opposite end is people gassing up HotD to the point where any criticism at all is going to be immediately controversial…
For my money they’re two flawed but overall pretty good shows that are ultimately very different, and as a fantasy fan I’ve thoroughly enjoyed having both. Just wish it was easier to have a good faith discussion about either online
mrnicegy26 t1_iu3xy42 wrote
Game of Thrones fans on r/television are just so tiring. Its either the IP is ruined forever, it has no cultural impact, I would never watch GOT again or blind worship of it and blindly shitting on other shows. There is no nuance, no middle ground, it is either the greatest or the worst and nothing in between.
RyanB_ t1_iu3y7oc wrote
That’s unfortunately been the trend for a lot of media discussion online, but yeah GoT shit is just on another level. And it just dominates the subreddit
donkeylipsh t1_iu4wfm0 wrote
HoD was created in a lab by scientists to attract the kind of fan that drives social media engagement.
You put that level of production quality with episodes packed with dragons, nudity and violence and you get an absolutely rabid fanbase online.
istandwhenipeee t1_iu69vxt wrote
The number of fans who are upset that RoP isn’t grimdark fantasy like GoT is insane to me. They’re not outright stating that, but a ton of the criticisms are over things like them not talking like real people, it lacking the pace and consistent drama of GoT/HotD, and it lacking realism in its battles and choreography.
If it went in that direction to satisfy those viewers it would cease to fit in the world Tolkien created. If that was the intention Amazon expressed i doubt they’d have even gotten the rights from Tolkien’s estate. Its fine to not enjoy Tolkien’s style, but a lot of people don’t seem to understand that something not being their preferred style doesn’t make it objectively worse.
Charlie-Bell t1_iu3zn8m wrote
You're not allowed to appreciate and enjoy the fact that you have two high budget, large scale fantasy shows to enjoy. You must pick a side and gaslight fans of the other.
frenz9 t1_iu425xn wrote
I mean for the most expensive tv show per episode, from one of the largest IPS known for its quality writing and world building people were expecting something amazing. The show was ‘ok’ but that’s well short.
RecordEasy t1_iu4de1s wrote
It got Amazon exactly what they wanted. A lot of hype and increased traffic on prime video.
ZachMich t1_iu4s0x0 wrote
> It got Amazon exactly what they wanted
It didn’t even come close. That’s why they’re desperately throwing out all kinds of articles simultaneously gaslighting, apologising and deflecting the opinions of this show.
Amazon and Bezos wanted GOT, they aren’t going to get it
donkeylipsh t1_iu4vfks wrote
So all the articles you agree with are the truth, and all the articles you disagree with are gaslighting, apologizing and deflecting?
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Taureg01 t1_iu7opup wrote
It literally drove the highest number of subscribers to prime of any show they have made. Sorry this ain't failing.
_Dreamer_Deceiver_ t1_iu6gat3 wrote
In inspires passion because some people think "LORD OF THE RINGS IS MY LIFE, HOW DARE YOU MAKE THIS CRAP, GANDALF IS SPELLED WITH A BIG G NOT A LITTLE G HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THAT I CANT BELIEVE " and the. On the other side "DONT TELL ME THAT MY TASTES ARE CRAP JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT LET GO, JUST LET ME ENJOY IT"
Batman_The_Merciless t1_iu6ldti wrote
>Honestly for a show that is just 7/10, I don't get why it inspires so much passion on both sides other than the fact it belongs to the Lord of the Rings IP.
The insane production costs.
Before it premiered there was almost non-stop news about how much money was poured into it, and now that it’s all done and over with the most that people can really say is “yeah it’s average”.
I think people expected the dollar amount to show on screen and left disappointed, especially when HotD was airing at the same time with a significantly lower budget and was doing gangbusters critically and commercially. I don’t care either way, but from what I’ve read this seems to be the main subject of discourse.
Shartbugger t1_iu4vmff wrote
It’s not divisive at all, it’s a very middling show and there are some very loud stans pretending it’s the subject of unjust persecution.
metametapraxis t1_iu5wuo1 wrote
Could be that a lot of people just don't like it. That's OK, as it is OK that some people do.
_Dreamer_Deceiver_ t1_iu6gjxs wrote
A lot of people like it, a lot of people also think it's just ok. But the vocal ones seem to be the ones that dispose it specifically because it's not the canon they know
metametapraxis t1_iu7s0cz wrote
That honestly isn’t what I have observed. Most of the complaints I have seen largely are concerned with the quality of writing and storytelling.
SunnyWynter t1_iu47zut wrote
I really have no idea where the hate for the show comes from. I already enjoy it much more than the movies.
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Shartbugger t1_iu4vi8e wrote
Here we go, Stans of the billionaire corporation’s latest lukewarm product saying everyone else is against them.
LilyWhiteClaw t1_iu51o8e wrote
He w go, another weirdo online that thinks someone with a different opinion must be getting paid off
Shartbugger t1_iu51xo3 wrote
Literally the first thing he does is make a typo and literally the second thing he does is a strawman.
Being a stan doesn’t mean you’re getting paid, Professor. It means you’re unreasonably supportive of something.
wednesdayware t1_iu5vv3l wrote
And who is deciding what “unreasonably” supportive? Your grammar isn’t perfect either btw.
(Edit: then buddy decided to delete his posts and “block” me).
Shartbugger t1_iu5wqgj wrote
Yeah I’m blocking you now. Bye!
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu41ps1 wrote
Yep, can’t be letting anyone read this objective article!! Must downvote and say the shows bad and literally no one watched
mannaboy t1_iu48olo wrote
Enjoyed LOTR books, Jackson’s adaptations were very good, The Hobbit trilogy was poor. Rings of Power felt like getting back into a comfy pair of slippers, enjoyed it throughout.
Jiffyyy t1_iu49mvd wrote
Surprise by the lack of discussion on this post, though I guess since it's not a doom and gloom post it's not popular around here.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu4mlop wrote
Yep, but the post saying "Where are the ratingsss!!!" is sitting at the top of the sub. Turns out they don't actually want the ratings....
Taureg01 t1_iu7on0z wrote
Its great when the majority of the comments are that they stopped watching after two episodes but will precede to tell you how its shit and murders Tolkiens legacy
TemurTron t1_iu4jp66 wrote
I absolutely adored this season and I can’t wait for more. Was it as good as the original LOTR Trilogy? No, but it had a lot of the similar charm and it’s just so damn fun to be back in Middle Earth again. The haters on the internet are completely delusional and never gave the show a chance, there is a lot to love in the show and even if it isn’t LOTR Trilogy quality it’s still better than 98% of the shows on TV.
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Marvel_plant t1_iu3rb3l wrote
Not surprised. It was definitely my favorite show out of everything that’s been available the past few months.
xtremelycoldsun t1_iu4b3jx wrote
Happy to read this. My wife and I saw the first episode and are genuinely excited to continue it tonight.
Kenobi_01 t1_iu442en wrote
I rather enjoyed it.
It has some obvious flaws, especially in the first couple of episodes.
But it was overall fun to watch, and I liked it. What more is there to want?
donkeylipsh t1_iu4wv0i wrote
Dragons and titties
grinr t1_iu4050t wrote
Despite the relentless negative posts on /r/television, everyone I've ever talked to about this show really enjoyed it. I personally thought it was the best Lord of the rings production since Rankin Bass' The Hobbit.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_iu45e2s wrote
Watching this go from overwhelmingly upvoted to downvoted was a hell of a ride
grinr t1_iu4lbet wrote
As expected, really.
metametapraxis t1_iu5x6q5 wrote
Anecdotes are just anecdotes though. The only people I know in real life (i.e. not the internet) thought it was absolute rubbish. Whose anecdote is more likely to represent the larger cohort of viewers? I have no idea.
grinr t1_iu69e61 wrote
Too true!
amcdon t1_iu6cns8 wrote
Some light comparative data from users on my Plex server to add to anecdotal data:
Rings of Power:
- ~25 total episodes watched
- only one user has watched every episode
- next farthest along is episode 5
House of the Dragon:
- ~150 total episodes watched
- only one user didn't watch every episode
- three users watched it 2+ times through
Not commenting on quality; I just found it interesting.
metametapraxis t1_iu7s3hk wrote
Sounds about right based on the almost universal positivity about the series.
NpZPn t1_iu4jr4z wrote
they should do it. itll be more content for youtube creators
ThatKiwiBloke t1_iu4vxbf wrote
This show was dogshit
Jimmyfatz t1_iu3wh1n wrote
show sucked
Shartbugger t1_iu4ulb2 wrote
Talking about “a spike in demand at the finale” does not sound like I the most amazingly strong way to introduce something.
downwardspiralstairs t1_iu3p6iu wrote
Me falling asleep during almost every episode doesn't bode well that I'll be interested in watching a second season.
balor5987 t1_iu3ov2g wrote
I highly doubt that
The_Greyarch t1_iu3v1pw wrote
Somehow I doubt that there's much demand for this show. Took less than a week after the finale for a lot of people in the MSM to stop the "best show evarrrrrr" charade. Overall opinion seems to be generally negative. Fan reaction has been generally abysmal. It's just a giant mess.
Plenty of people like the show, I don't doubt it. But somehow I do doubt that, if there wasn't a multi-season contracts, there's anywhere near enough demand to have them sign off on a season 2.
Parade_of_Pain t1_iu3ogcg wrote
Lol. This show was so poorly written and produced. The idea that anyone wants a second season is laughable. It’s like watching Disney kill Marvel all over again. This entire article is bullshit. Parrot Analytics is just another company paid to say good things about bad shows.
wednesdayware t1_iu5w43v wrote
I don’t think you believe that absolutely no one could want a second season. If you do actually believe that, you’re living in very tiny bubble.
Parade_of_Pain t1_iu6255z wrote
I guess I’m just shocked how anyone could watch this horribly written show. It supplied an unbelievable amount of plot contrivance, some of the most laughable dialogue and the cast was jam packed with C and D list talent. How is someone gonna invest THAT much money into a show and hire folks with zero star power?!
wednesdayware t1_iu64ahd wrote
And your second response is a perfectly valid opinion. Your first was laughable hyperbole. People can discuss whether or not they like the writing, or how they feel about the show.
But the discussion isn’t furthered by saying ridiculous things like you did earlier.
For the record, I want a second season, and I enjoyed the show a lot. I found the plotting to be fine, and apart from a few wince-worthy lines of dialogue, the writing wasn’t as terrible as you’re making it out to be.
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Gr8zomb13 t1_iu3rf5k wrote
The reviews kept us away for awhile, but my wife and I recently got around to watching it and really enjoyed it. We also watch a lot of British mystery shows so we didn’t mind the pacing so much. Looking forward to future installments if it happens.