Bad move. If he accuses him of this and gets it to work any supporter of any riot or has given aid or comfort would be unable to run. This would hurt democrats far more than republicans

No it wouldn’t. 14th amendment isn’t for “riots.”

The pertinent part…

“No person shall … hold any office, civil or military, under the United States … who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

As we do in america......stretch it.

Believe what you want to believe dude. Amy argument you make regarding the constitution should be backed up using the language in the constitution, not your hopes, dreams and beliefs.

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The best outcome would be for him to lose the Republican primary and run as an independent so he can split the vote and guarantee we don’t see more Republicans in power for a little while.

Any loss for them is a win for America

Wait so people who break laws should suffer consequences? Fucking wild.

Riots, Rebellion, and Insurrection. Definitions are easily available. Lets also assume included in enemies are terrorist organizations Present, and Future. Who has given aid and comfort?

support: give assistance to

rebellion: an act of violent or open resistance to an established government or ruler.

insurrection: a violent uprising against an authority or government.

The government is the people in it. Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi are the government. Sure sounds like he supported an insurrection or rebellion against the government. That's using the language in the Constitution.

Yes...but things can be tricky here. He likes the word Insurrection, but rebellion is also listed. Aid and comfort would need to be substantial and provable.

It's always interesting to watch the left be handed the high ground by the right only to cede it right back due to an unending need to grandstand.

Yes they’re easily available which is why it’s funny that you don’t know the difference between a riot and a rebellion or insurrection. Riot is not a word used in the 14th amendment. Lol try again.

Who’s he? Are you talking about trump? Yes he did. I never disagreed. Maybe you meant the comment for someone else.

Did you watch the J6 committee hearings?

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Facts don’t care about your feelings buddy 🤷🏻

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I admire your dedication.

I like the sentiment of blocking him but this will make things worse overall. As long as there aren't 14 other weak republican candidates in a primary field, Trump isn't going to win but he sure as shit will make the primary winner look weak and bad to a lot of voters.

He's also crazy enough to try a 3rd party bid when he loses the nomination.

It sounds appealing, but I don't like playing with fire. Not taking Trump seriously was part of how he got the presidency in the first place.

Do you think Trump's actions should NOT be disqualifying him from holding office again?

I don’t know. No one seems to care a politica party paid foreign actors to write a fake dossier about the president. DOJ knew it was lies but it didn’t stop them from starting an investigation of the president then lie on warrants to keep spying on the campaign. I am. Ore concerned about that than saying “the election was rigged”. Because both parties have done the latter. Hell Kamala warned people before 2016 that you can’t trust electronic voting machines.

Yeah. I mean actual evidence.

Your interpretation is incorrect because it requires ignoring "having previously taken an oath" part of of that statement. That's a pretty important part of this.

My regular dumb ass leading a rebellion wouldn't be the same as someone who'd already taken an oath for the government doing the same.

ok

So lame, cicelline is an embarrassment to the state. I got sour on him when he tried to call a pistol brace a bump stock a few months back. Ridiculous.

I didn't say anything of the sort, in fact I said quite the opposite. Your response reinforces my feelings about RI too, because as much as I love this state I'm surrounded by leftist bots and it makes me a little nuts.

Trump handed the democrats the moral high ground by being Trump. Nearly every word he said and every action he took. The democrats, especially the really inept ones like Cicilline, just can't let it be what it is. They need to grandstand and try to make it into something it isn't only to look like fools. I mean, you can buy into it and let them contribute to the divisive stupidity if you want, but it isnt going to make anything any better.

Now what are they gonna do with their 'Let's Go Brandon' flags?

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>As long as there aren't 14 other weak republican candidates in a primary field, Trump isn't going to win but he sure as shit will make the primary winner look weak and bad to a lot of voters.

I see you were in a coma in 2016

This shouldnt be a hot take...cicilline is a donut and makes himself a lightning rod for everything the right cant stand about the neoliberal left. I live in providence and the political climate is unilaterally, unquestionably blue that loves to parrot neolib feelgood talking points while we continue to rank horribly for running small business and cost of living.

He lied under oath

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If you’re a Democrat, you want Trump to run. He will not beat Biden. If you actually care about the country, you want that shit show as far away from the political stage as possible. The guy is a train wreck and the most divisive person in the country. He will bring nothing but further division and hate. Get this evil narcissistic prick the hell outta here.

I will never understand the love this guy gets. He basically gutted Providence only to be outdone by his successor. He has zero political chops and is as corrupt as Cianci without any of the benefits or like-ability.

EDIT: I love that my comment has been down voted into oblivion. Keep it classy RI.

Right. This is why Cicilline is looking to use the 14th Amendment to prevent Trump from being eligible to be President again. He took the oath and he supported an insurrection or rebellion against the government.

I assure you I was awake for the thing I very specifically referenced.

Trump has zero chance of holding office again. It’d take an extraordinary set of circumstances for him to get past a primary. Even if he did, it’d be a worse outcome than 2020. All of the shit that made him lose plus his behavior in his last two months.

I say let him run just because he’s a giant stink bomb who can only damage his own party.

Two wings of the same bird. I stead of trying to push them further. You'd do well to try to bring everyone together. Your hate for trump and republicans is no better than their hate of you amongst the other shit they spread

I just asked you a question. Maybe stop the presumptions?

I’m all for letting Trump run. If your opponent has a cancerous growth, you shouldn’t be volunteering to surgically remove it for them.

Like when 45 said to the Secret Service when he was TOLD they had weapons at the Jan 6th rally " Take down the magnetometers, they are not here to hurt ME" ?

Your question is presumptuous.

I dont want him to run. I think he was instrumental in a bad and moderately dangerous movement. I dont think he is guilty of insurrection (really sedition would be the charge) because he skirted the line very well and frankly if he were he'd be charged already. So, to the point, no he isn't disqualifies under the 14th and this is grandstanding. That doesn't make Trump good or correct or not guilty of bad actions.

The R primaries are winner take all. With lots of other R primary candidates, Trump could get 30%+- in each primary and win the nomination.

Oh that explains all those people shot and stabbed. That's what Trump did that for. I forgot.

No, my question was genuinely trying to figure out what your views were about Trump’s actions. It could easily be read as the MAGA “he did nothing wrong and he got cheated” viewpoint or it could something more nuanced.

I prefer to try and get a sense why someone says something if it’s unclear before simply arguing it.

Fwiw, I think this is more strategic about just amplifying the case why Trump shouldn’t hold office than a serious and earnest attempt to block his campaign. That and trying to force Republicans to go on record for or against the guy. The ones that back him create a new attack vector over the next year and a half with every crazy and stupid thing Trump does or says, the ones that don’t? Or try to somehow stay out of it? Trump will go after them and you’ve just exploited the giant fault line on the right.

Good - make it stick.

Lots of candidates is an extreme set of circumstances. I may not like the GOP but I don’t think their leadership or the power brokers in the party are stupid enough not to learn from their own mistakes.

And him getting the nomination would be annoying because it extends the time we all have to see him and hear from him but he would be a gift opponent. Dude got blown out two years ago and then still managed to tank his approval rating by 15 additional points by having the worst lame duck period since James Buchanan.

It shows that 45 SENT an armed mob to the Capitol, while he went back to the WH and watched the riot unfold on TV for hours while being begged by his staff to call it off. People died, his VP fled for his life.

Why stoke whatever fire the party still has for him. If you’re a dem you want him running. He is a dumpster fire

I really think his cult voter base is strong enough to win him the primary

Maybe? That’s handing the presidency and congress to democrats

Yeah, that's an optimistic way too look at it

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to see him, hear him, or have to remember he exists.

It’s annoying but he’s such a toxic asset that I think the only reason to call him a threat to win is shellshock from before.

Ok. Show me the evidence that he called for it. I would say there's more evidence that security was intentionally understaffed for the event then there is for trump sending them to cause violence.

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The ratings? Bro, do you live in the 80’s? No one watches the networks anymore. They stream and there were millions of views on YouTube alone.

Everyone knows that the whole thing was fabricated by antifa /s

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How can you bring people together that live in a different reality? That disagree with facts?

Wanting to hold someone accountable is not hatred. This both sides bullshit isn’t applicable to what this post is about.

It's not going to be everyone. But not every republican disagrees with facts. Which is something that is very forgotten. The loudest that you hear and see makes up a small percentage that is the loudest.

But overall. The instant categorization of "oh opposite party is bad" is terrible and dividing the country vastly

My comment isn't about the post. It's about that dudes one specific comment.

Oh my bad how could I assume you’re not talking about the post while leaving a comment on the post. Lol.

Oh idk. Bc the comment specifically just lumped a group as bad for America and my comment was against that. So...context clues would help a lot 🙃

It's pretty obvious at this point that if you're pro-Trump you are a bad person. It's kinda disgusting how people can try to validate it. He's a lying abusive racist grifter rapist conman who preys on emotionally and intellectually frail people. It's not even hidden. You support that, it's not even Republican at this point. MAGA has split off and taken the majority of them with it. We got out third party.

You're being more generous than Cicilline deserves. This is posturing and a waste of time and resources. Really, even based on what you wrote, I think you realize this. It's gaming it all yo score points in a popularity contest which is no better than what Trump always did.

I personally want him to run as an independent or for a party he creates to fracture the Republican vote.

If he gets the Republican nomination, I feel like he has a chance (which is scary in itself). But without that he will take his followers with him and away from the Republican candidate.

We love high inflation oil shortages and extremely high food costs and energy let’s shut down 28 percent of our energy without anything to replace it coal plants let’s shut them fown Keri’s Biden is a douche

You mean Biden?

No, he didn’t. I worked for the city around the time he became mayor. He inherited a giant steaming mess.

So you’re still pretending that higher prices are Biden’s fault?

That’s a good brainwashed doggy

If you unleash the power of the United States is it energy production we would be fine he’s talking about shutting down Cole plants 28% of our grid with nothing to replace it solar and wind are not ready to take the entire grid over. So meanwhile he cuts energy down Here and goes around the world begging others to increase production we have plenty of production capacity he is stifling it you don’t have to believe me because you’re brainwashed to. This isn’t all Putin‘s fault. He spent 5 trillion in two years that’s inflation. I’m not saying Trump is better I don’t think he should run they both need to go away they’re both way too fucking old. Even the Democrats don’t want to run Biden to whoever they run? Biden won’t live through a second term. And Trump is too old to. DeSantis is who you have to watch out for.

You're really that sure he won't pull off a Hillary?

I don't feel like his announcement was well received by Republicans. They blame him for their shitty performance during the midterms. There were people even trying to leave. I'm certainly here for it.

Meanwhile the US is still a net EXPORTER of petroleum products.

Lol. No. It's pretty obvious you're jumping to conclusions. Im not pro trump. I'm definitely not a bad person. But once again you're just assuming I'm bad based on who I had the ability to vote on.

The best part of this is. I'm trying to push civility and peace and youre spitting in my face and calling me names. You are littleral no better than the maga hat wearing racist out there. Bc you've chosen one quality you don't like (which does t appt to me) and deemed it bad and evil.

However I'm not gonna win arguing with the likes on you on the internet. Have a good day and enjoy life.

thinking that one party would be bad for the country isn't "hate", it's having convictions

i'm not supposed to root for the people i disagree with

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You don't have to root for them. But you can general respect and civility. An understanding that they're still your fellow citizens. There is no need to be nasty. And I'm not saying you are. But so many others definitely are.

Trump is Little finger. He would burn and kill everyone to be president of bones and ash.

there was nothing close to disrespectful about the first comment you replied to, and frankly even if there had been you're speaking in defense of the people who run on the concept of "fuck your feelings" so to be fair you are coming off at best like someone who's lived under a rock for at least a decade.

what seems more likely though is you recognize how silly you sound but hiding behind calls for civility gives you an imagined moral high ground

In the real world and the legal world, that is what we refer to as hearsay and holds no actual weight.

In the mind of a rabid anti trump type, that is an admission of some kind of guilt apparently.

Everything in that dossier was true except the piss tapes

So Cohen went to Prague? Nothing in it was verified. It’s why the source lied to the FBI. It’s why the FBI mislead congress in 2018. It was all lies meant to kneecap the president. It’s a much bigger scandal than the media is letting it.

Sure that one thing is. But collectively there is a huge pile of evidence of intent.

This is not the Soviet Union. Who votes for this clown.

SO much TDS

Biden is a dumpster fire for the USA as well.

And yet somehow we have a shortage of petroleum products here... Why do you think your heating oil is $6.50 a gallon?...

See: RECORD OIL PROFITS

Seriously, shut off Faux

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Awesome 💯

What a well thought out and unique take!

Republicans bad indeed!

I never said it was unique, it’s just a fact

As a well enough off white male straight Christian, my personal stakes are very low, so part of me wants to watch Trump and DeSantis and Pence I guess throw haymakers at each other in order to get the GOP nomination.

Like it would be interesting to me to see what weasels like Cruz and Hawley do during the primary season and where their allegiance would fall.

But, at the end of the day I agree with your take.

I agree with you overall, but I think you are ignoring that Trump loves to set himself on fire when someone pokes him with a stick. The question becomes whether this particular poking creates the same 2016 synergy by super energizing his base and getting enough moderates to come over as well.

It's like chaos theory, where is Dr. Ian Malcolm these days.

I hadn't heard of this before. Have anything to read up on?

Facts aren't usually opinions but do you ig

oil companies are using the global geopolitical climate to gouge prices. Oil and gas companies are posting record profits. It’s not an issue of lack of oil supply, it’s an issue of artificially reduced supply to jack up prices. OPEC nations literally burn a portion of the oil they dig up 24/7 365 to prevent extra oil from reaching the market and reducing prices.

I’ll remind you, Biden does not set or control gas prices.

Republican controlled states have higher rates of poverty & maternal death. Republican economic policies often mathematically make no sense and are literally impossible to implement. Republican controlled states also have worse health care outcomes and shorter lifespans for their residents.

Empirically it is worse to live under Republican control. Their policies are bad, unpopular, and really only benefit the rich and those in power they’ve leveraged this power to stay in power for decades longer than they should have be it be via gerrymandering, voter suppression, or propaganda outlets. Fox News was literally developed to be a propaganda box with the intention of painting republicans in a good light.

They know their policies are unpopular which is why they rely so heavily on the electoral college (nationally) and gerrymandering (within states) because if it were up to the people of this nation to choose who they wanted to represent them republicans would lose every time. They’ve lost every popular vote since GHWB in 1988 nearly 35 years ago.

Was that well thought out enough for you?

Democrats have their fair share of problems and bullshit but you really can’t compare the two.

>Trump has zero chance of holding office again

I want to agree with you. Sadly we only have to look at the Weimar Republic and the rise of a particular fascist leader.

[In the 1960's, Ron Jones, a High School Social Studies teacher (after being asked a question as how the Germans could claim ignorance), started an experiment, which got out of hand](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment) )

Oh! Oh, I know this one!

#If you don't like it, leave!

Yeah I bet you'd like that.

Nobody to interrupt your rabid circlejerk?

I think I'll stay tbh.

Oh oh I know this one!

#Go back to where you came from!

Man this is empowering.

Where did I come from?

Not my problem snowflake! Go back to where you came from!

Alright I'm done, can't keep this kind of stupid take up.

I'm already here :)

I don't think fascism is dead or no longer a threat at all. Far from that.

But Trump himself? I think there is a better chance that God, who I do not believe in, appears on earth and annoints him the King of humanity than there is that fucking loser gets elected again.

How does the 14th amendment leave a possibility of barring him from office?

Republicans’ actions speak for themselves. They’re evil people who always choose the worst option when given a choice.

If you don’t think they’re evil then that’s ok but it says a lot about your morals. Or more accurately lack of morals.

You're absolutely right, and the democrats are angels sent directly from the heavens to save us from the evil republicans.

Stop being dramatic please. If you don't like republicans that's fine but don't act like the democrats are some holy saviors of humanity.

They'll end up disappointing you like they always do when they don't actually follow through on any of their pandering promises (which I'm well aware the republicans do too).

not anymore. Go to r/conservative. Theyre abandoning him in droves. The best case scenario is for him to win/run/lose or lose primary, but run as an independant and take Desantis out of the running with a split ticket.

>lt voter base is strong enough to win him the primary

Remember your on Reddit which naturally leans left. Head over to truth social to see what his followers have to say if your actually interested in it. /r/conservative is not trump's base. You'll need to go on gab, truth social, and the chans to see he is still very popular.

Blatantly false information about firearms.

https://youtu.be/owgQTHzMohI

For sure.

Truth has like 15 total users. Even if every single one of them said something its not indicative of anything at all.

edit: Fox cut away from trumps announcement to show something biden was saying. It is not the same thing as 2016.

>there is a huge pile of evidence of intent.

There is zero evidence.

This will fail. Who's taking bets? I'm betting trump wins 2024. Bring on the downvotes.

>oes the 14th amendment leave a possi

President or VP is ‘an officer of the United States’ so Trump would be disqualified if he is found to have engaged in insurrection. But who makes this determination, and how? Short of being convicted in a court of law for sedition, maybe Trump is in the clear.

Hahahahahahaha! What a bitch!

Convict the SOB first. We are a nation of laws.... it applies to saints and scoundrels alike.

came here to see republicans downvoted. not disappointed

A judge has already ruled that at least one person is guilty of insurrection from January 6th and can't hold office.

Oh. That seems like a pretty simple confusion of gun features that doesn't change the point of the statements - that bump stocks enable the use of semi automatic weapons as effectively automatic weapons.

I don't think I'd personally characterize that as a lie, but fair enough -- it seems you hold politicians to a higher standard of accuracy in their statements. Great! Who do you think does a better job at avoiding this type of thing?

He is claiming that a collapsible shoulder brace functions as a bump stock which is absolutely NOT the case. It’s not a “simple misunderstanding” it’s an untrue statement. Plus bump stocks have been banned in this state since Raimondo in 2018.

And personally I’ve seldom seen a politician who actually knows their ass from their elbow about guns… from simple jargon errors (“round” vs “bullet” is a common one) to blatant lies (Kevin DeLeon: https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0 )

If you want more examples I’d be happy to find you some.

But he isn't an insurrectionist.

Your on reddit. Its an echo chamber in itself.

Are you all that out of touch? Trump is still very relevant. Just not in an echo chamber like reddit or msm. He is still extremely popular and is going to win the primaries. And probably the presidency after another 2 years of this current train wreck. But everyone here on reddit can just live in fantasy land the way you think conservatives do on truth social, gab, and other conservative leaning platforms.

These people are too blinded by their ignorance and hate. Even the simplest minded could see inflation and gas prices are up all over the world. Oil companies are posting record profits, etc. These people are just complete idiots. Like their orange god said, he loves the poorly educated.

If Trump had gotten blown out in 2020, graciously and promptly conceded, and spent the last 2 months focused on stimulus and vaccine rollout stuff, he probably would be a threat now.

Instead, he got blown out, denied it, and acted like a child with the whole thing culminating in January 6th. He left office with the highest disapproval rating over any president since Nixon resigned in disgrace. That MAGA base is always going to be there it's still a fringe minority of the population.

Any idiot knows that petroleum prices are set by the global market, not a US president.

Well, almost any idiot...

Trump and his Trumpanzees are the only traitors though, so hating them makes plenty of sense.

You forgot traitor and insurrectionist

One party is loaded with traitors and insurrectionists, the other is not. Simple choice which is better.

He has lost Rupert Murdoch. Without the Fox media machine behind him, he has no chance. The dweebs that spend all day watching that channel will go whatever direction they are told by those idiots.

Without the Fox media machine, Trump is done...and Murdoch has clearly bailed on Trump.

I have an idea where they can shove them...

Where they found them.

Funny how people don't like traitors, isn't it?

Yeah right...wtf do the capital police who testified about being attacked by Trump's mob know, right?

You mean like at least three SCOTUS justices when they said Roe v Wade was " settled law". Which lies are worse?

It wasn't just a riot, it was a riotous insurrection. Big difference

Who cares. Nobody is beating Biden. Top 15 president of all time.

The only thing Trump will win in 2024 is the ugliest boyfriend contest in the prison he ends up in.

Yes I agree with you

Which capitol police officer testified that trump called for people to attack the capitol and overthrow the government? I didn't get that testimony.

He knows Trump will win it all.

So foolish, keep voting for your tax and spend idiots.

Should be more worried about corrupt to the core Biden and his family c. Truth will come out, although dems will stick their collective heads up their arses. Anyone still believe Biden had nothing to do with Hunter's business dealings? WTFU

yup, Biden is a disaster, such a weak leader. Worst Prez since Carter..just a demented old fool.

without weapons and guys wearing vikings helmets who were let in

Still better than anti choice insurrectionists

Traitors sell our gas to china for a 10% cut

Just wait till their shortage is here in New England or when you get your next bill. This is the 70s on steroids. They are predicting rolling blackouts here in the middle of the winter in Rhode Island. And you guys think hey this is great. Nobody’s doing anything to help the taxpayer. People are scrambling to figure out how they’re going to pay to heat their homes. Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia riddle idiot. Trump is a douche bag none of these people care about you. They only want your tax money. Everyone I know is struggling Under this moron potus. Energy is the lifeblood of America if you wage war against it for green energy than your waging war against the economy of the United States. I have solar panels I am all for alternative energy but it can never replace 100% of the grid of the United States. Read up on what Germany tried it failed they are scrambling opening up coal plants and scrambling to figure out how to heat their homes in the middle of the winter because Russia is cut off their gas. Germany tried going all green it literally failed. The tech isn’t quite there yet.