Submitted by bostondotcom t3_z2rxxw in massachusetts
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3720-To-One t1_ixi2l6l wrote
Taco trucks on every corner!
Sounds like a good time!
socialmagnet t1_ixizk4s wrote
The small random taco cart at the back of the parking lot is what I missed most about LA. They’re SO GOOD
zyrzyxen t1_ixj5evx wrote
Honestly, this is what I miss MOST about LA. Diversity is good. I’m in Western Mass far less diverse than everyone east of us but I see the slow changes out here as well.
JaKr8 t1_ixjmy75 wrote
Yes, but some of the best restaurants anywhere in the country are tucked away in a lot of those Berkshire towns.. Great Barrington might have the best 'great restaurant per capita' ratio anywhere on the planet.
electrikinfinity t1_ixk4i76 wrote
Ive lived in one of those Berkshire towns my whole life and I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or are you actually being serious.
scientist4321 t1_ixlv0ln wrote
I just drove by Lee, MA today, and had lunch at “Let’s do lunch” and it was amazing.
I dont think it’s ironic.
electrikinfinity t1_ixly3ai wrote
I’m not saying there’s no good restaurants, we have like 5. And they are definitely not the best in the country lmao. We have mint in Lee which is very good Indian food, Frankie’s in Lenox is awesome Italian and new sushi place in north county called Nara which is good. Great barrington has a few decent restaurants but you get sick of the same 5 places, everyone here complains there’s no where to eat. I frequently travel to Albany to get better food.
ChainmailleAddict t1_ixjsbrc wrote
Can confirm, I traveled there twice to get my COVID vaccine and Naji's makes AMAZING food.
zyrzyxen t1_ixltfw6 wrote
Please enlighten me with suggestions!
pillbinge t1_ixjhltl wrote
Diversity is more than consumerist choices, but if all you're concern with are things that don't matter, I can see why you'd arrive at that position.
PtrWalnuts t1_ixji9pw wrote
We have one in the neighborhood i swear the tacos were made in heaven.
pillbinge t1_ixjhii0 wrote
Sounds like something boring people would want.
Bringyourfugshiz t1_ixiyc58 wrote
Can we get some more Indian immigrants up in this place? Need to drive 45 minutes to get to a decent Indian food restaurant
nromdotcom t1_ixk4mpa wrote
I have options for almost any kind of food here in North Central MA. Leominster/Fitchburg doesn't get enough credit for that. But I've gotta drive an hour for Indian. Actually only 30 minutes to a place in NH, but an hour if I'm staying in MA.
bachmanis t1_ixkciny wrote
This is literally the comment I came here to make. Though, Street Kitchen in Marlborough has some amazing Indian fusion pizzas, not to far from Leom/Fitch
nromdotcom t1_ixkiy4b wrote
I'm north of the cities, right up against the NH border, so Marlborough is still about an hour's drive for me. Though we do swing by the Hudson/Marlborough area occasionally, so I'll put it on the list to check out sometime.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixjnmm8 wrote
What are your favorites so far?
I've JUST found one recently that I absolutely adore. (Sher-A-Punjab)
Bringyourfugshiz t1_ixkgmnn wrote
Aaha in Weymouth
And yeah, i know Sher a Punjab. Only been there once or twice but it was great
TinkyThePirate t1_ixmbkdc wrote
I know it’s unrelated but I’m curious, what is this Indian restaurant that’s worth driving 45 minutes for? Asking for science
Bringyourfugshiz t1_ixmzhy4 wrote
Aaha is the closet one to me. I dont know if its necessarily worth driving 45 minutes for but it is damn good
Codspear t1_ixjjeya wrote
> Italian restaurants and steakhouses
That’s unfortunate. I like those.
nixiedust t1_ixjq820 wrote
Me, too, but variety doesn't hurt. I hope we end up with a nice mix of everything.
Jmbolmt t1_ixi0r1a wrote
The food and music is gonna be fantastic!
Tricky-Pea2794 t1_ixixne9 wrote
This is such a great take on this too, give me more food fusion!
PtrWalnuts t1_ixji8bc wrote
Yes but at least we'll have slightly smaller rats.
JaKr8 t1_ixjmryz wrote
Minneapolis hadms one of the best cuisine scenes anywhere due to the influx of migrants. It's incredible!!
winter_bluebird t1_ixlvyq4 wrote
As an Italian immigrant, I have to say that regional Italian food is PLENTY interesting. It's Italian-American food that's been played out.
(Spoiler alert: if there's alfredo sauce on the menu it's not an Italian restaurant).
Still-Midnight-6799 t1_ixj9rbt wrote
You have a very naive view of the world
pillbinge t1_ixjhhtv wrote
Why is it that whenever there's a story about people escaping extremely bad situations, a host of comments focusing on how it improves their lives in such a banal way pop up. It's always food. It's like Poe's law of raw, neoliberal appeals on social media.
>These immigrants are going to bring the world's cuisine to MA.
The world's cuisine is a lot simpler than Americans think. Most of it is shitty street food served in a building with chairs because Americans don't know better.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixjnq9m wrote
Yikes, way to take a "banal" take and turn it into a racist/trashy hot take.
Good job.
pillbinge t1_ixjp24t wrote
That doesn't even make sense. I'm talking about the people who are from here, and it applies to people of all races. Food is not a worthy cause, and talking about it to cope with the harsh reality these people are facing, doesn't make sense.
If you hear, "Hundreds leaving violence to simply escape it, with nothing but their clothes," and you think, "I hope they end up serving me new and exciting food!", you're a bad person through and through.
Have you had real, Ukrainian food? We had an influx of Ukrainians recently and their food is far from "a taco truck on every corner". It's good, like most real, authentic food is, but it doesn't have that lame energy that Americans crave and are mentioning in the comments.
Try to work on your reading comprehension before you start throwing out terms you kind of heard but don't come close to getting.
Kaio_ t1_ixk6ovy wrote
>If you hear, "Hundreds leaving violence to simply escape it, with nothing but their clothes," and you think, "I hope they end up serving me new and exciting food!", you're a bad person through and through.
LMFAO fuckin' brutal and true
pillbinge t1_ixkw2fd wrote
So tiring listening to these barely-middle-of-the-road politics from people who really only react to media, not politics, talk about how the world should be. They're trying to shape it into EPCOT at everyone's expense. And it's just lazy. They've convinced themselves that they're doing God's work humanitarians' work by just letting people show up, when people showing up at your doorstep happens after a long line of failure. But it's easier to do nothing, and spin that as a good deed, than do real work.
puppeteersrequiem t1_ixkx6yr wrote
I’m sorry but I can’t see a comment like “food is not a worthy cause” without saying something. Food is a universal concept that every human shares. It’s a common tongue that we all speak. It is art and culture all in one. It’s a uniting principle that should never be underestimated. There are whole cultures and economies that revolve around food. Anyone who has felt real starvation gnaw at them, even once, could never utter the phrase “food is not a worthy cause”. Food is one of the worthiest of causes. Food is everything. Food is life.
pillbinge t1_ixtcu8s wrote
When I said that food isn't a worthy cause, I meant from the people in the receiving country who sit back and sell a fringe benefit that's totally unrelated to helping people. That's fairly obvious.
I'd like to believe what you believe but that ship sailed from New England. There are few local staples that people enjoy so thoroughly outside maybe seafood, and even then, that's divisive. Most Americans don't have any real staple that's cultural here. The food people "bring" is made from ingredients shipped world-wide, not local ones, and a lot of it in restaurants is fairly bad for you.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixk80ly wrote
Thank you for expanding your yikes to even greater depths of pathetically sad.
pillbinge t1_ixk8ias wrote
Thank you for replying only in clichés that add nothing and obscure any real thought you have lmao. You'll bump that second language reading comprehension up to middle school one of these days.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixkiwrs wrote
Verbosity != Veracity
Sorry scumbag, but you're flailing hard here.
pillbinge t1_ixkvrxh wrote
>you're flailing hard here.
You can plug in text to online readers and they'll gauge it, however accurately, across a lot of different tests. In this case, what I wrote is equivalent to what a seventh grader or ninth grader is expected to handle.
I'd be way more careful going forward about admitting that seventh grade texts make you so scared that you're ironically dropping words like verbosity lmao.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixkzp7u wrote
You substitute words for substance thinking you're making a salient point.
You're a fucking clown.
pillbinge t1_ixnbfke wrote
I think you’re revealing that you think that’s happening, but you’re commenting on commenting without adding anything. Ironic, and sad - again, seventh grade.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixnjaqm wrote
The length one will go to claw at a perceived superiority while spewing the most vile and hateful shit truly is impressive.
You're not as intelligent as you think you are or so desperately wish others to believe.
pillbinge t1_ixtc3g1 wrote
The only thing every post of yours has reveled is how intimidated you are by someone giving a fairly thoughtful view, written at a seventh grade level. I never said I was intelligent and I don't value that as a trait or characteristic, if you were to ask.
You need to calm down.
rhythmchef t1_ixj6ma2 wrote
You mean like the same illegal immigrants we already have that don't understand proper sanitation in the food industry? Just saying.
hamsamith t1_ixinm8s wrote
I love living in a state where they don't just ignore this happening and complain about the consequences like "but I tried nothing!" Whether it actually works out is another story, but at least they have somewhat of a plan.
Tulsa251 t1_ixjdnmt wrote
How about not letting in the migrants/illegal immigrants? Wouldn’t that solve the so called problem?
PtrWalnuts t1_ixji5bc wrote
Do you have a time machine? You can explain that to your grandparents.
Unless they're native American.
Kaio_ t1_ixk5iru wrote
My parents sat on a waiting list for years while Sadaam and Hezbollah bombed their country until they got their green cards.
We didn't hop a fence
PtrWalnuts t1_ixk6khg wrote
You couldn't hop a fence. If you could have you would have. You just weren't close enough to the United States at that time.
You were lucky You didn't have to do anything at all. You get the privilege of sitting here and your little Ivory Tower and stepping on people's hands or worse off than you either try and get up the ladder you sit on.
Hey great great grand uncle left because of potato famine to come to the United States. My grandfather and grandmother left to escape Mussolini. I know what you're on about dude it's America home of the free in the brave it's a melting point. It's what makes us strong. We're mutts.
FirstOrderRouge t1_ixkdbta wrote
“If you could have you would have”
Go fuck yourself you tree root.
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Kaio_ t1_ixk87rg wrote
Hopping a fence is a metaphor for breaking the law you goofy anarchist. Get outta here with that "if you could have you would have" crap for fucking animals.
PtrWalnuts t1_ixkgcvb wrote
Right you’re so stupid you think other people or animals. You’re an animal too. A lot of people are escaping shit you can’t even imagine. America is a melting pot. These people are what’s called asylum seekers. It’s in the constitution.
I tell you to go back where you come from but the third Reich no longer exists.
Kaio_ t1_ixkhjax wrote
It doesn't even matter. Don't break the law. Apply to immigrate like a civilized person or fight the evil at home. Our asylum laws are geared towards people escaping persecution from their government or one at war, especially after what happened with your "third reich", not people troubled by gangsters or poverty.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixl2vq0 wrote
You're a piece of shit and you will die alone, unloved, and no one will care.
https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/z2pdfk/headline_these_days/ixizlrd/
More evidence that you're a lowlife scumbag that will leave this planet better off without you in it than before.
Kaio_ t1_ixl3k4j wrote
hahaha that second one is pretty good. Also taking the time to go through someone's post history is pretty cringe.
hey next time save yourself some time and sort my posts by 'controversial'
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixnita6 wrote
>Also taking the time to go through someone's post history is pretty cringe.
-weak, racist, pussy, whining about minorities on the internet
Kaio_ t1_ixpwku4 wrote
I've never whined about minorities
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixsb1x9 wrote
Your post history isn't a secret, you ignorant ape.
LOL the weak racist pussy blocked me and ran like a little bitch
Kaio_ t1_ixselm8 wrote
Ironic
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixsrjgc wrote
https://www.reddit.com/user/kaio_
u/kaio_
Where'd you go, you weak pussy?
Why are racists such pathetic cucks?
IdkWhatIwant895 t1_ixmym6n wrote
Man shut the fuck up about colonization from hundreds of years ago. Immigration is supposed to benefit a country. Not be an additional financial burden to tax payers when people already here are struggling to pay rent.
PtrWalnuts t1_ixn2pus wrote
You just don't know how things work. Most so-called immigrants pay taxes but don't get any of the benefit. So you can just put that in your pipe and smoke it .
The reason you telling me to shut the fuck up is because of no understanding of history.
The people here are struggling to pay rent because the rich control what you can buy and how much the stuff goes for.
Everyone who complains about this stuff especially the rich people employ tons and tons of so-called illegal immigrants.
If we do not have these people in this country the price of food would be even more ridiculous than it is now.
Remember America is supposed to be a meritocracy.
I suppose if you have no merit it would bother you.
HonoluluHonu808 t1_ixkv4d3 wrote
Bullshit argument. Immigrants in the late 1800s and early 1900s entered legally. People flowing across an unchecked border is a fail. But please, go on and on about how if you're not a Native American you don't "belong here".
hamsamith t1_ixjhvkr wrote
I'm sure it would, however I chose to believe in love and helping other people. Others can be angry all the time, but I chose not to be. I hope you're doing ok. Feel free to DM me if you want to talk about it.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixjn7gj wrote
>How about we ignore the issue wouldn't that solve the so called problem?
-useless uneducated boomer scum
fakecrimesleep t1_ixjs1mn wrote
Unfortunately writing this off as just boomers is short sighted. Gen X is increasingly more conservative and plenty of millennials/gen z believe in this shit too
420trashcan t1_ixjwar5 wrote
How come Republicans never try to address the actual source of the problem, and go after the employers giving them jobs?
The answer is that Republicans WANT illegal immigrants here.
Dizzy_De_De t1_ixkscrr wrote
Bingo. If Republicans really cared about curtailing illegal immigration, they would prosecute (incarceration and fines) those that profit from exploiting immigrants in the construction, agriculture, and restaurant industries. Their wealthy donors would then lobby Congress to pass new immigration laws while the voters concurrently complain about the sharp increase in cost/reduction in availability of services. But, if the GOP solve this problem how could they froth their supporters up?
bostondotcom OP t1_ixhsbcm wrote
From reporter Susannah Sudborough:
Gov. Charlie Baker is asking the Legislature for $139 million to fund his plan to deal with the recent influx of migrants to Massachusetts and their impact on the state’s shelter system.
Baker filed the bill Friday, saying that the funding would expand the state’s emergency shelter capacity and improve services provided to the migrants through the shelter system.
“Massachusetts’ emergency shelter system provides support for thousands of families each year, but a recent uptick in new migrant arrivals, coupled with a strained housing market have led to a need for greater capacity across the system,” Baker said in the release.
“These expanded resources will help us quickly and effectively address this humanitarian crisis, especially as we enter the winter months.”
What’s in the bill
The bill has three major funding allocations.
The first includes $73 million to expand the overall capacity of the shelter system. Baker said this money will fund the creation of more than 1,300 additional temporary shelter units.
Secondly, the bill includes $20 million to establish and maintain a temporary central intake center. At the center, families will receive timely case management services and complete intake assessments during their first few days in the shelter system, Baker said.
The third part of the bill allocates $37 million for costs associated with placing new students in local schools through the end of FY24.
Read more: https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2022/11/22/charlie-baker-migrant-crisis-bill-devens-shelter/
sardaukarma t1_ixivwxw wrote
i wonder what goes into a temporary shelter to make them $56k each and how much more it would be to make them permanent
distressefakeleather t1_ixj9y0x wrote
Staffing probably runs that bill up
95blackz26 t1_ixjnbag wrote
No shit I live in this state for less than 56k
[deleted] t1_ixixh4x wrote
Right? You can buy a trailer for a couple thousand more.
movdqa t1_ixjoo8t wrote
I didn't realize that the problem was that big. 11K people is a big number. The US, most Western Countries, and, many Asian countries, including China, are having fewer kids and there's basically a demographic time bomb for a lot of countries. So countries need immigration if they can't sustain their populations.
Housing is a general problem that's separate from immigration. We just need a lot more of it.
I would give Governor Baker the benefit of the doubt on his plan as he's been generally pretty good in the job.
scientist4321 t1_ixlunoy wrote
That’s 11k people moving INTO the state, neutralizing the thousands moving out.
It helps the economy, it makes the whole system long term sustainable.
The most hardworking people I know are immigrants trying their best to support their families, even under the risk of deportation.
movdqa t1_ixlvw7x wrote
Immigration is a loser politically though. Merkel realized that they needed more people and allowed refugees in from a variety of places and paid a large political cost for it. I think that Governor Baker can do this as he is leaving and as Massachusetts is welcoming of immigrants.
scientist4321 t1_ixmrgx1 wrote
Historically, it has worked well for the US.
And the immigration to Germany added to their gdp [citation needed - have no time to look for it]
Not sure why some people have stopped believing in what made this country great. I seriously suspect it has to do with racism and that the new immigrants are not blonde enough.
movdqa t1_ixmspn5 wrote
US history has this going back a long time. Whoever the new group was.
Granolapitcher t1_ixkq1s6 wrote
BUILD HOUSING THAT ISNT LUXURY. And do it in nice towns and cities and override zoning bylaws
mayhapsably t1_ixlryi5 wrote
Any housing is fine really. Luxury housing—where there exists demand for it—still puts downward pressure on surrounding costs, luxury or not, and over time brings up the quality of all housing in the area if the cycle repeats. (Housing which used to be "luxury" becomes the norm.)
Banea-Vaedr t1_ixht0ov wrote
Good to see them not repeating the mistakes they made in West Springfield.
JaneFairfaxCult t1_ixilbes wrote
Can you share a brief version of the mistakes in WS?
Banea-Vaedr t1_ixj09f8 wrote
They didn't help the schools at all and just rented out hotels and bussed homeless out to them. The hotels were so badly damaged by the residents that they had to be torn down.
JaneFairfaxCult t1_ixj168g wrote
Ooof. I’d not heard this.
Ilikereddit15 t1_ixjicfb wrote
We should use universities to house immigrants from May-Sep. The dorms are mostly empty. I think college kids could volunteer over the summer.
Where are the rich progressive folk when there’s an issue?
PHD_Memer t1_ixkb51o wrote
You know, with how scheduled move out vs move in, give 1 week of cleaning and maintenance, you could easily pull this off
CaribbeanCowgirl27 t1_ixjujmr wrote
I’d like to explain a bit of the reason why there’s so many immigrants coming in:
This happens every time there’s some amnesty in place. There was for Cubans, then Haitians, then Venezuelans and now Ukrainians. Those that profit from the movement of people throughout the Central American borders, start spreading the rumours that EVERYONE can claim asylum due to the system being overwhelmed enough. This is how you end up with all these people wandering until they have their date at court.
In the meantime, they get to move around and work under the table. Those from countries with amnesty, will most probably get residency eventually. Those that are not, would have worked and save enough money to bring back when deported.
scientist4321 t1_ixlvapp wrote
And we get working population for free in our wonderful state that is losing total population each day.
That’s a win!
hexenkesse1 t1_ixip0jg wrote
Nice! immigrants welcome!
lufecaep t1_ixjfe62 wrote
Hope they don't want my check back!
craigawoo t1_ixjm7yj wrote
How many more tax dollars do they need?
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixjo32t wrote
More than the zero you pay into it, lowlife.
craigawoo t1_ixwp1la wrote
Typical hit and run with nothing to back it up.
craigawoo t1_ixsfqoo wrote
How do you figure? And why am I a lowlife? Please explain. I lived in mass for 37 years paid income tax since I was 14 and still continue to pay income tax in that state, I bet I’ve added far more tax dollars than you have put in or ever will. So please explain what the fuck you are talking about.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixwxtmy wrote
I highly doubt that. You're a lowlife manual laborer trying to shit on the less fortunate.
craigawoo t1_ixx4tjm wrote
You seem severely unstable.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_ixxfarx wrote
Okay loser.
Cry about "immigrants" more like a limp noodle of sadness.
craigawoo t1_iy1s34u wrote
I Didn’t say a word about immigrants. My response was regarding the headline. Your snap judgement is what is wrong with people who judge and look down on others. My complaint was with the state government using more taxpayer dollars for an issue that already has a large amount dedicated to it. Just to clarify, I have zero problem with immigrants. I have a problem with those who are immigrating illegally. As with anything there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things. And what you have demonstrated, would be the wrong way of communicating your point to which you believe.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy1y8mb wrote
https://www.reddit.com/r/massachusetts/comments/yf52mz/comment/iu1zl15
>Talk to your local reps and demand that they control the immigration problem.
https://www.reddit.com/r/newhampshire/comments/y2kj51/comment/is5nj3h
>Low Welfare. And no income tax to pay for the deluxe package neighboring states offer.
No one cares what an uneducated, racist, manual-laboring, piece of shit thinks.
You're just a lowlife loser that will always whine about minorities, the less fortunate, etc.
trash_bin_84 t1_iy20n48 wrote
Bro, are you being classist? Manual labor jobs are absolutely necessary for a functioning society and there's NOTHING wrong with it. You sound very classist right now by looking down on blue collar workers. Also, education is NOT as accessible in this country as it should be. If you want people to listen, you can't just insult them.
ETA: Go ahead, show us your degrees. Give is your credentials. If you think people who are uneducated are worth less than you, then I'm willing to bet there's a lot of people who are "worth" more than you by your own criteria.
Source: I'm in college and dating a manual laborer. I have plans for higher education and he will work in a trade. Unlike you, I'm not a fucking classist. And no, I'm not racist either. I'm pretty left leaning, and I can imagine that you are as well. This just isn't the way to make a positive difference.
Just wanted to add one more thing as well: I don't believe hate speech is productive by any means. I'm bisexual and I faced a lot of shit for it in highschool when it got out. I got called a terrorist at my school because my dad is mixed and they said my dad looked like a "towel head". However, if people never voice their opinions, then they can't be shown alternate opinions. I don't like homophobes, but if nobody knows that they're homophobic then nobody can change their mind. They can't learn if we don't teach them. It shouldn't have to be our job to teach them, but we're the only ones who can do it. Same goes for racism. It can really lead to them opening their eyes. However, when you go around calling people all kinds of names, they're just going to think "people of x race/religion/sexuality are like this" and you're reinforcing their negative views. Why not just try to be nice?
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy212te wrote
There's nothing wrong with manual labor.
There's something VERY wrong about uneducated manual laborers being racist pieces of shit.
trash_bin_84 t1_iy21u0j wrote
Hey, I edited my comment before I saw that you had responded. I'm actually going to school for Spanish and my dream is to be an immigration lawyer and help people get here, even if they originally came in illegally. Some people are desperate to get out of their bad situations and I believe they deserve a chance at a decent life, so I'm totally not against your opinion. You just won't help the situation by tossing insults at people. Instead, I try to show people kindness. Sometimes you just can't get through to people (lord knows that a lot of my family is racist and homophobic and hate anything other than Catholics and baptists), and it isn't worth your energy, but it just isn't productive to immediately hurl insults. I just wouldn't say anything at all at that point because you can't change their mind anyway, why waste the energy and anger?
trash_bin_84 t1_iy227hu wrote
Also, being uneducated and a manual laborer aren't inheritently negative traits. When you use them alongside other words, such as racist or "piece of shit", you make it sound like the first two are also negative things. They're certainly negative, but I don't think they're a direct reflection of someone's character. I just wouldn't lump that in with the other things you're saying, even if all of them are true
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy2bi78 wrote
Again, stop taking it personally when it's not addressed to you.
It's addressed to the lowlife piece of shit. This isn't about you and your hangup is with yourself.
trash_bin_84 t1_iy2c0er wrote
Okay. It wasn't personal lmao, but if you wanna psychoanalyze me and decide it's about hangups or smth then that's on you. Giving personal experiences as examples doesn't mean i took it personally but just keep doing you man
craigawoo t1_iy5ghdt wrote
Ok so you think they way people are coming into the US is normal safe and healthy for the people and the country?
And yes NH has low welfare and doesn’t attract the hoards of people looking for free money.
Your either a young moron with zero life experience or maybe a belligerent liberal with their blinders on. But I still go back to you being unstable.
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy6pzjp wrote
You're a weak, limp, uneducated, racist.
Your opinion is worthless and I'm so glad that you wield no power and never will.
You'll forever be a pathetic clown wallowing in irrelevance whining about minorities.
craigawoo t1_iy7rxrg wrote
That’s all people like you do… tell someone they’re dumb and racist. That’s original. I would have the same opinion if they were coming from Europe.
So again, what have you done in life what is your education and work experience?
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy84d47 wrote
You are dumb and racist, though.
You're demonstrating it.
You whine about immigrants because you're so pathetic that a disadvantaged immigrant to your own home country can do better than you with less resources, facing racism from inbred trash like you, and all while having access to barely a fraction of what you have.
No wonder you're such a whiny little bitch. You're a fragile loser.
Edit: lol the weak racist pussy blocked me and ran away like all fragile trash do when confronted. He didn't think anyone could see his post history until he was directly quoted.
craigawoo t1_iy8apec wrote
Big words from a coward who won’t answer a question. You must be a child. I thought I was having an adult conversation. We’re done…
Clear_Forever_2669 t1_iy6qfl9 wrote
It's spelled "hordes", you fucking whiny mouth breather lol
craigawoo t1_iy5stj0 wrote
What’s your job and education background? It’s kinda pertinent to such a conversation.
BombShady12 t1_ixxrzjv wrote
He is. He’s a sad and lonely broke millennial that’s unemployed and lives in his momma’s basement shaking his fist at his betters on the internet 😃
TheDarkClaw t1_ixlniga wrote
Can funds Texas and Florida receive from the federal government be diverted to Massachusetts ?
[deleted] t1_ixk9rs5 wrote
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workerrights888 t1_iy1sqcz wrote
Send the bill to Chevron Oil Corp, they received approval from the U.S. Treasury Dept to drill & pump for oil in Venezuela this week, a country that's sending hundreds of thousands of migrants to the USA. The brutal dictator over there has ruined the country's economy causing shortages of food, medicine, other necessities.
Any profits Chevron makes from Venezuelan oil should be sent to American states being hurt by the costs of unprecedented migration through the U.S.-Mexico border. Horrible situation that the Federal government has caused by allowing for a free for all at the U.S.-Mexican border.
Kaio_ t1_ixkdfri wrote
Why are we so bent on keeping them in this frozen hellhole. We should be bussing them to Tampa or someplace warm, then pocket the remainder for more natural gas pipelines so this frozen hellhole isn't such an expensive place to live.
LottoMePlease t1_ixic8vl wrote
Why not turn these shelters in taquerias and everyone wins? Jobs, housing, revenue. Dude! Taco trucks on every corner, indeed!!
DarthMortum t1_ixige00 wrote
People from Massachusetts are already struggling with high rents and outrageous mortgage rates. How about we help our own first?
siwmasas t1_ixijdiu wrote
ah yes, the "fuck these people, me first" approach!
you sound like a real humanitarian!
What you don't seem to understand, is that these people are exactly the same as us, just from somewhere else, they're humans and they're here. Did you even bother to fucking read what he's proposing? This isn't a help the migrants only plan, it's expanding the state's capacity to handle anyone in need of housing.
pillbinge t1_ixji0s1 wrote
Humanitarians are far from perfect, and their numbing views are predicated on a lot of things they claim to dislike (imperialism, views of superiority, and so on). No one said "humanitarianism is great" other than humanitarians, or people who haven't really looked at the course of history.
Never mind that in order to help people, you should either help them where they are, since it'll always be cheaper, or you need to prepare. In this case, we aren't even prepared for our own people to live a proper life as expected in decades prior.
>it's expanding the state's capacity to handle anyone in need of housing.
It shouldn't help anyone in need of housing. It should help people with closer ties to the actual land and community.
DustyIT t1_ixkileo wrote
"you should either help them where they are, since it'll always be cheaper"
Cool, you got the special hookup with all the other state governor's to make them stop sending people, or....?
"It shouldn't help anyone in need of housing. It should help people with closer ties to the actual land and community."
What does this even mean? You already have a system to help people in Mass, including people who have been born and raised there, should they need help. This is just bolstering that system. What does your statement actually mean?
Kaio_ t1_ixk7d9y wrote
Us first, dude. He's proposing a very expensive funding bill. How about using that money on our infrastructure
siwmasas t1_ixkcf6f wrote
Oh piss off you loser magat. I'll take more potholes for a while if it means people aren't starving and or living outside in this cold. You're a terrible person
DarthMortum t1_ixjeh7a wrote
Says the hypocrite who has never been homeless in Massachusetts, doesn’t have to worry about rent because daddy has set up a trust fund and is already set for life. How cute of you.
If the governor can ensure that there will be no homeless person in Massachusetts ever, then yes by all means, let us all help and house anyone else.
siwmasas t1_ixjmtlp wrote
Lmao, far from it brochachio. Spent 3 months homeless in 2011, definitely not fun, I wouldn't recommend it. Work in the trades and own an old POS house now which I'm pouring my heart into. I'll vote for or support anything that helps the poor and expands access to health care and support for everyone, regardless of any increase in taxes.
Sylvio_ t1_ixiigrz wrote
Nah never. Our own already vote here, this is to bring in new voters
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Peeeculiar t1_ixhwcdb wrote
RIP to the Fung Wah Bus. Helmets not required, but strongly encouraged.
itallendsintears t1_ixi1u1w wrote
How is there homeless on every freaking corner of every intersection in mass but we are allocating all this money for people that aren’t even from here?
This is utterly ridiculous. We aren’t the saviors of the world. Let’s help our neighbors before we start just throwing money into the ether and seeing what sticks.
3720-To-One t1_ixi2scp wrote
And you know what would help homeless?
By making housing cheaper by getting rid of all the NIMBY zoning restrictions, and letting more housing actually be built.
And then of course, conservatives will whine about socialism.
imanze t1_ixi8i61 wrote
I agree with your idea but I think it’s more than conservatives that are to blame for the zoning issues we see. Most zoning laws are set at the town level and some of the towns with the worst zoning laws are incredibly wealthy yet vote blue for major elections.
3720-To-One t1_ixianed wrote
My comment about conservatives had more to do with conservatives always being like “why are we spending all this money on (thing I don’t like)?! Why don’t we take care of the homeless?!”… but then when someone actually suggests spending money to help homeless, conservatives whine about “socialism”.
spg1611 t1_ixim10l wrote
Zoning laws are set by towns and cities mostly… and most of them around here vote blue.
But continue.
3720-To-One t1_ixioi71 wrote
My comment about conservatives had more to do with conservatives always being like “why are we spending all this money on (thing I don’t like)?! Why don’t we take care of the homeless?!”… but then when someone actually suggests spending money to help homeless, conservatives whine about “socialism”.
itallendsintears t1_ixi8yx6 wrote
Well maybe but I doubt that will solve it. And I’m hardly conservative so bring on the socialism
3720-To-One t1_ixiaup8 wrote
I didn’t say solve… but having cheaper housing across the board will help.
And you get housing cheaper by increasing supply.
And you do that by getting rid of a lot of the nimby bullshit.
itallendsintears t1_ixib6wf wrote
Certainly doesn’t help anything I’m in agreement
3720-To-One t1_ixid7d8 wrote
Huh?
itallendsintears t1_ixit43w wrote
I just meant that I’m sure antiquated housing laws that you mentioned probably make things worse you’re right.
Ilikereddit15 t1_ixjh8k9 wrote
Conservatives? In MA?
3720-To-One t1_ixjhlar wrote
Yes, they exist
Ilikereddit15 t1_ixjiosq wrote
A minority, for sure. But let’s not kid ourselves. Nimbyism is a class construct, not political
3720-To-One t1_ixjjw29 wrote
My comment about conservatives had more to do with them always screeching “what about the homeless?!” whenever someone suggests spending money on something that they don’t like, but then they start screeching about “socialism” when someone suggests doing something to help homeless.
Ilikereddit15 t1_ixjksta wrote
Oh got it
pillbinge t1_ixjia27 wrote
This boils down to "you know what would really help, is giving one political side everything they want without restriction". It's very clearly helping by one political view and no other, while claiming anything else is the enemy. There are plenty of problems with housing and zoning restrictions but most people don't realize why a lot of them are in place - for better or worse. The housing stock that's built now is built by builders who have no real sense of architecture or planning. They'd rather build a McMansion if it got them paid more.
All of this is ignoring the silly claim that it's conservatives whining when MA is solidly blue, but most towns don't handle things like some sort of caricature people expect.
3720-To-One t1_ixjikjz wrote
And why do you think they build those McMansions?!
Because all the damn NIMBY restrictions won’t let them build anything other than SFH!
And yes, a lot of the zoning restrictions are done out of 100% greed and selfishness of existing property owners, to artificially inflate the values of their properties by restricting supply, and keeping less affluent people out. That is literally why SFH-only zoning was created.
pillbinge t1_ixjlw4l wrote
If builders could come up with plans to make really good, aesthetic housing, that's build solidly and densely - like you'd find in Back Bay, Charlestown, or Beacon Hill - people would change their tune. They aren't. McMansions they're building are the result of a lot of things but they could always design them better. There's no legal requirement for them. Large housing isn't just a McMansion, and this part of the country can show that in older, wealthier areas.
3720-To-One t1_ixjmrgu wrote
What are you not understanding?
Many locations don’t allow anything other than SFH to be built, and in other locations, restrictive zoning makes it prohibitively expensive.
You’re putting the cart before the horse.
pillbinge t1_ixjona7 wrote
I don't get why you keep jumping tracks. They don't, so the effort should be put into places that do allow for it. They aren't putting that effort in either. I bike by more places in Somerville, Cambridge, and Boston that are newer but weaker, worse looking, and probably future tear-downs in my own life. The buildings that aren't are ones built a long time ago and with better materials.
Why aren't places that build for multi-family complexes building ugly, dogshit, and flimsy places when they don't have the restrictions you're talking about? There's a reason the three places I mentioned are all within the same city. Expand those and get a real movement going. Not the "movement" you're laying out here.
3720-To-One t1_ixjrp1y wrote
Because those buildings STILL have to jump through tons of hoops to get built, because of all the restrictions, AND THAT MAKES EVERYTHING MORE EXPENSIVE!
Why are you not understanding this?
When you have to go through a gazillion different zoning board meetings, and hire lawyers, and go through a long and convoluted approvals process, it makes everything more expensive.
pillbinge t1_ixkx1y5 wrote
You keep bringing up topics in some rapid-fire manner and asking why I don't get something, when you might be having a hard time explaining what you mean. I do understand this. I just don't have the bland approach that you do that clearly isn't working at all.
I never said we should keep bureaucracy around. I can't stand it. At this point, you're arguing something I haven't said like I'm someone else, but showing that the real thing you value is dirt-cheap housing, when valuations in housing have primarily been hurt by financialization. Housing might have to get a bit more expensive at first. That's true of anything new that you start building. We need to build it back up again though.
seanwalter123 t1_ixiqqp8 wrote
Complaining about conservatism in the bluest state in the country right now.. makes sense.
3720-To-One t1_ixir8ba wrote
Imagine thinking that conservatives don’t exist in a state simply because there is a solid majority of democrats.
seanwalter123 t1_ixiui8k wrote
I’m just confused when a state and the majority of towns have democrats running but somehow it’s “conservatives” fault for zoning laws? Conservatives don’t have a say in the governing body of this state anywhere. Clearly you want to blame republicans for faults not of their making which I get but they don’t even exist here. You’re blaming a group of people that are 100% irreverent to decision making in Massachusetts.
3720-To-One t1_ixius4o wrote
My comment about conservatives had more to do with conservatives always being like “why are we spending all this money on (thing I don’t like)?! Why don’t we take care of the homeless?!”… but then when someone actually suggests spending money to help homeless, conservatives whine about “socialism”.
squannacook t1_ixi59fe wrote
Rent starting at $1,500 for a studio... new mortgages averaging nearly $3k a month in Massachusetts... and outdated, privileged zoning laws.
And those people at the intersections, without homes... are your neighbors.
itallendsintears t1_ixi90w9 wrote
Absolutely yes they are.
Horknut1 t1_ixibmt9 wrote
These are all people. We can work on more than one problem at a time.
[deleted] t1_ixijaad wrote
Right--no need to view the world in such a zero sum "I win-you lose" kind of way. We can care about both issues/groups of people at the same time.
pillbinge t1_ixjig10 wrote
Where's that getting us?
[deleted] t1_ixjiu62 wrote
I don’t really know what answer you’re looking for. But it honestly is just the right thing to do—doesn’t have to “get us somewhere.” I know there’s a place for zero sum thinking, but I think we should try to make it the exception rather than the rule.
pillbinge t1_ixjm7eh wrote
The right thing, in these cases, is either subjective, or it's the answer to a question framed in a way to get a specific answer. For the basic type of person who thinks efficiency is a humanist value, but hasn't looked at the world around them, I can understand that.
But the main answer is that it isn't getting us anywhere. We can talk about having some sort of system that helps anyone who needs help, if they show up from another country, but rightly so, that system should benefit people already in the area. That's what was said, with the urge that we do this so that people on somewhere like Mass and Cass get help. The problem is that we'll always end up inducing demand or extending this fight.
This isn't zero-sum thinking. It's the fact that when it comes to dividing things, you could always not divide things. Whether or not there's a hypothetical or theoretical sum at the end doesn't matter.
[deleted] t1_ixjmyzn wrote
I hear your point. I think we fundamentally disagree on the idea that someone “in the area” should get preference over someone who isn’t or who just arrived. I tend to think of all humanity as equally worthy of aid/help/compassion. That may be a lofty way to look at it, but I’d like to think at least starting from that outlook is important as we get into the nitty gritty of what needs to happen.
pillbinge t1_ixjoe6d wrote
We do fundamentally disagree, respectfully, but I'm very invested in this as of the past few or so years, when I put the views you have to the test. Views I had as a college student and a little after.
It's what I refer to as numbing, and it doesn't answer any real questions. Like you said, it's lofty, but that's antithetical to the nitty gritty. It's why I think of a book about how politics don't really affect local areas, because local areas have to deal with real, material issues. Republicans and Democrats might disagree on how to handle some things, but they have to keep the trash trucks moving. They have to keep the water flowing.
The idea that we're all equally worthy of aid and help is separate from compassion, which is immaterial, and autonomy, which is another topic. The insinuation that these people need something other than aid or help was never there. I never implied we shouldn't have compassion. I have tons of it. I'm insulted by the insinuation that I'm suggesting something else. Of course I treat people I physically meet respectfully.
I just no longer recognize this bland, post-WW2, grand view that doesn't work. It didn't work then, it doesn't work now. It's a continuation of imperialism since you rarely see the West or developed nations changing. It's always "the other". It just sounds a lot nicer now that it's been workshopped and forced to work - especially when our country started selling off its industry and labor. That's why pro-labor people eventually get met with claims of xenophobia.
In this case, why shouldn't our borders matter? They keep us in just as much as they keep others out, and we would be able to help in the abstract more if we had a functioning society. We'd help more people if we helped them where they were. We help fewer people by being lazy and waiting till they get here, telling them good job, and convincing ourselves we did something.
[deleted] t1_ixjq8lt wrote
There’s a lot to unpack here (for eg the reason asylum seekers have to come here is partially bc of US foreign policy decisions in the past leading to unstable societies in a lot of places).
But I’m going to respectfully decline to further engage bc it’s thanksgiving eve and I don’t think either of us is going to be convinced via Reddit comments. :) We can agree to disagree on a lot of the beliefs, assumptions, and values we hold. Have a safe and happy holiday!
irishgypsy1960 t1_ixi8mo9 wrote
Sorry you’re getting downvoted. I have a brother who is homeless in boston for many years. He now has an advocate helping him apply everywhere for over a year. He’s mentally unable to handle a shelter. I’m unable to help due to being on assistance myself and other health issues. He has lived in mass his entire 63 years. Until one has experienced this with a loved one, don’t be so quick to judge this stance. He and I both feel the same and, didn’t use to.
itallendsintears t1_ixi9c6k wrote
Absolutely this. I’m sorry for your struggles and your brother as well. Unfortunately, since we love to jump on the “next big thing” without solving current issues, I don’t expect this to change.
And I’m hardly a conservative…though I’m sure I’ll get lumped into a group for not going “all-in” to every feel good stupid idea
irishgypsy1960 t1_ixi9zbc wrote
Neither am I, not by a long shot. But he worked and paid both mass and us taxes for decades before he fell on such hard times. It’s not right.
itallendsintears t1_ixiaqk9 wrote
I was a homeless heroin addict in Boston for nearly a decade I completely get it trust me. I feel for both of you. Sincerely.
irishgypsy1960 t1_ixicw9e wrote
For him,, it began with trauma, which we share, and mental illness, then drugs. He’s not on drugs anymore. I’m glad you made it out. These Down voters, maybe they’ve never had these experiences. Also, it’s just easier to help people from a different culture. It’s less complicated and doesn’t demand examination of our fake meritocracy nor question one’s own good fortune.
itallendsintears t1_ixidjv1 wrote
You hit the nail on the head exactly. It’s easier, ultimately. And that’s why it’s preferred. Because they don’t have to get to close or look to deep.
irishgypsy1960 t1_ixie923 wrote
Have a happy thanksgiving. I’m grateful for this exchange.
Electrical_Split4902 t1_ixky9fr wrote
Well said.
feliscat t1_ixihkrh wrote
The emergency shelter system is not exclusively for people that aren't from here - it is for the people on the street corner too.
Another_Reddit t1_ixin79t wrote
I don’t think we need a “this or that” approach here. Every time the government proposes to do something to fix a problem, people tend to jump to “well what about this other thing!”
In this bill, Baker is proposing some measures to help with this immediate need for the sudden influx of migrants. Doing nothing would put more strain on our already stressed system. But that doesn’t mean we can’t ALSO do more for the homeless, right? Just because the government is trying to address one problem, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ALSO push them to solve others.
itallendsintears t1_ixitdh2 wrote
Great counterpoint and thanks for taking the time to share.
coral15 t1_ixk3pdk wrote
Who are all these people downvoting this?
A verious serious question. I’d like to read their stance.
itallendsintears t1_ixk5jte wrote
We have such major issues in our own state with persons who directly impact our lives and who I gladly pay taxes to help support. Hell, I was one of them at one point!
This isn’t a universal charity I mean wtf are we doing here?
Help people from Massachusetts. That should be our states only priority. Let the feds deal with this shit but even then my stance remains.
This IS NOT anti immigration. In fact, due to COVID immigration restrictions we have a labor shortage and are in need of immigrants.
No, in essence in many cases we are sadly taking in other countries homeless people. Other counties.
Has anyone driving around a town in Massachusetts lately? Serious question. We have a very immediate problem RIGHT HERE not getting addressed.
BF1shY t1_ixhtq62 wrote
Can't wait to see the food scene in MA in 10-20 years. These immigrants are going to bring the world's cuisine to MA. Not on the same scale as NYC but similar.
I'm already seeing the plethora of Italian restaurants and steakhouses slowly close and turn into something more interesting in my area.