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raxnbury t1_j9gwzxg wrote

I’m not really clear on what some people want. NH is the second oldest state just behind Maine in median age. There is a decent amount of brain drain as younger people leave the state for college, especially given the cost of UNH.

I’m convinced there’s a block that just wants NH to be a giant retirement community. It appears as though most younger NH citizens prefer denser more populated areas with more to do than your average “New England small town”. What’s the plan if you don’t want people from out of state moving here? Who’s going to fill the jobs or take care of the aging population?

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BlackJesus420 t1_j9haswh wrote

People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here. Many also view anyone coming from Mass as another vote for the Dems, though historically Mass has sent us their GOP refugees.

I’m with you though. We’re doing better than the other two northern New England states with some of what you mentioned, but it’s easy to see NH just stagnating as cold Florida.

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-Codfish_Joe t1_j9i434a wrote

>People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here.

But they're also hostile to anyone building houses. And somehow they want someone to sell them an iced coffee...

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PutThatOnYourPlate t1_j9jftee wrote

I don’t think the people building or buying houses are doing that off of the salary they make at Dunkin’s.

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-Codfish_Joe t1_j9jhub1 wrote

If they need somewhere to live, they're pushing Dunkin's people out of the market.

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raxnbury t1_j9i5r4h wrote

Well duh, should be high schoolers doing that.

Shit did I need the /s?

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l3f9a wrote

There's a startlingly large number of people on this sub who unironically support an organization that wants to remove child labor laws, so its better save than sorry to throw the /s lol

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jdkeith t1_j9mcm0z wrote

Unironically yes, but we also need younger people here, but we don't need douche woke younger people here - so it's a balancing act.

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lellololes t1_j9jhosr wrote

Too many people look at someone that lives 20 miles away moving over an imaginary line as if it's terrible or something. It's just normal movement of people and it happens everywhere.

You'd think that the way some people sound, that NH is the fastest growing state in the union or something (plot twist, we aren't, and it's not close)

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jdkeith t1_j9mcx27 wrote

> an imaginary line

It is an imaginary line but it gives people on one side of it imaginary rights like voting in people who have imaginary powers to make imaginary rules which cops enforce with non-imaginary guns.

The problem is the same with any immigration - and one which people on this sub are salty about regarding Free Staters - people who live somewhere want to gatekeep the culture of the area, and I don't think they're wrong to want that.

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l4sxh wrote

> People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here

I wouldn't say I'm hostile to it, but I do find it a little galling that people who have lived here their whole lives are being uprooted for transplants. I'd say people are hostile to wealth gobbling up our homes.

Don't even get me started on short-term rentals, investment properties and vacation homes.

We need to do something that allows NH natives or first time home buyers have a competing chance vs outside wealth.

I don't know what that is, unfortunately.

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Lords_of_Lands t1_j9obe3z wrote

I don't know if anything has changed, but a few years ago homes on the MLS were reserved to first time buyers for a short time before anyone else could submit offers on them.

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General-Silver-4004 t1_j9vj5y9 wrote

Yeah it sucks. It’s the same shit that happened ten years ago because jobs paid better in MA and required in person.

First time homebuyer programs aren’t going to solve the eclipse of wealth being introduced by outsiders. Things are worth what they’re worth and we live in a national / global economy.

So yeah idk the answer or the way the tide will flow or what’s “most just.”

Maybe fthb programs provide a ring on the ladder. Or maybe they set you up for a non preforming loan / poverty. But the difference is more trivial than it’s made out to be.

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draggar t1_j9jky8s wrote

>People are largely hostile to anyone from out of state buying homes here.

I've also seen the opposite - people moving here from out of state being very hostile and pretentious towards the people who grew up here.

Also, more than once I've heard this from someone who moved here from Mass:

I moved here because I don't like the way Mass is run. Also, the state is run the wrong way, it needs to be run like Mass.

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mamercus-sargeras t1_j9hp7qy wrote

I don't really know the right solution to attract more productive young people. A lot of the issue just has to do with the housing stock being inappropriate for what most young people want and can afford, which is a nationwide problem. In our town, we've had one apartment building conversion go well, but the forces of NIMBY defeated another proposed development on the basis that the town needed "more forest." NH's issue isn't necessarily jobs (apart from professional white collar jobs anywhere that isn't the south), but that the housing stock for the productive slices of the population just isn't there.

I moved from NYC about a decade ago and I vote straight GOP every election even when I know the candidate is a criminal, a degenerate, or both.

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lMickNastyl t1_j9hv4vm wrote

Saying that a town in NH needs more forest is like saying the Atlantic needs more water.

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raxnbury t1_j9hvhwt wrote

You’re fighting people that are either independently wealthy or have a really healthy retirement and don’t want any new development to up their cost of living.

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lMickNastyl t1_j9hw146 wrote

Ya the boomer generation really missed the part where you're supposed to set the table for the next generation. We don't want free food but I swear that boomer mentality is all about eating everything on the table and leaving as little as possible.

I've met plenty of generous older folks and many selfish young ones. But that toxic thinking is something you usually see from the retiree crowd.

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MagicalPeanut t1_j9ii6bq wrote

>on't really know the right solution to attract more productive young people. A lot of the issue just has to do with the housing stock being inappropriate for what most young people want and can afford, which is a nationwide problem. In our town, we've had one apartment building conversion go well, but the forces of NIMBY defeated another proposed development on the basis that the town needed

The problem is 100% jobs. The jobs go where the people go, and the people are in cities.

Are you a young college student from MIT looking for an internship? In Boston you're looking at Nvidia, Adobe, Dell, AMD, IBM, and so on. Looking for a tech job in New Hampshire? Good luck. Boston is also packed with hospitals for medical school students. The only noteworthy teaching hospital in New Hampshire is in the middle of nowhere.

Is there a housing problem? Yes, but it's for the people living in New Hampshire and working in New Hampshire. My company can't hire software engineers fast enough, even when starting fresh out of college with 0 experience $90k +$10k singing bonuses. Unfortunately not everyone can can work remotely, but the people that can can outbid 90% in this state—getting those talented young people up here would be no problem if there was work for them.

For scale, I got offered a job for $85k in this state but am making $130k working remotely for a company in Massachusetts (no income tax either btw). I'd probably be around $180k if I wanted to commute but I ain't about that life. So I work for a slave wage because I choose to live and work from up here, but I'm still far better off than most people in NH where I'd be just one of many in Cambridge.

Per the article: I'd like to see a survey from the people choosing to move up here from Massachusetts. Are they remote workers doing what I do? Or are they GOP migrants that are uneducated and couldn't afford to live down there?

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no0bslayer9 t1_j9iiyx9 wrote

You calling 130k a slave wage is the most offensive thing about this thread

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MagicalPeanut t1_j9ijzfc wrote

It's all relative based on where you are, and what field you work in.

Lower-middle class Americans all live like kings if you ask 50% of the rest of the world. Then compare this area to somewhere where $160k base salary + $90k year 1 signing bonus + $80k year 2 signing bonus + $400k worth of RSUs vested over 4 years (5%, 15%, 40%, 40%) is the norm and we are just drops in a bucket. Everything scales. The easiest way to find success post-pandemic is to work for as competitive of a company as you can find while living in the cheapest area they will let you move to.

(btw I meant it kind of half-jokingly but sarcasm doesn't always translate well)

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AnythingToAvoidWork t1_j9l48t9 wrote

If you can quit your job and easily walk into another job within a month and not worry about running out of money it's quite literally not a "slave wage" job.

This is so embarrassingly out of touch. Comparing min/maxing finances with wage slavery is the douchiest thing I've read in a long time.

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stonewallmike t1_j9hh29d wrote

People just don’t think things through. I’m preparing a speech for my town meeting to try to explain that the conclusion of their NIMBYism is insolvency. We can’t control the price of goods and labor. If they want the roads plowed and potholes fixed (which they complain about incessantly on Facebook) they have two choices: higher taxes or more taxpayers.

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raxnbury t1_j9hjskb wrote

I was just reading an article about Warner that was similar. Literally no houses for sale at all. The community is aging and trying to figure out what to do but their zoning laws basically stop any new building. So you get this feedback loop of lifers complaint that they’re on a fixed budget because they’re retired. They also don’t want to leave the place they’ve lived which I get. But if you won’t let people build, and nobody wants to leave, inevitably you’re going to hit a wall.

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Psychological_Yak644 t1_j9hzjsq wrote

A lot of the people pushing back aren’t lifers…. They just hate change. One family who has been here for CENTURIES actually want to find a way to fix it; they understand that a town can’t continue to thrive without change. The irony and hypocrisy of a lot of it is just mind boggling. Join the Warner fb page and you’ll see so much ridiculous vitriol over the smallest nonsense.

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bonanzapineapple t1_j9hzrzt wrote

Yeah, I mean at some point you reach the situation where there are no jobs anywhere near a town, so then no working people want to move there. Like a long of socio economic phenomenons, it's a vicious cycle!

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raxnbury t1_j9i0229 wrote

It’s legit though. I can only afford to be where I am here because I work for a company out of Forth Worth. 100% remote with travel.

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lellololes t1_j9jhy5g wrote

This is happening all over rural Japan, and it's not pretty. All the kids leave, because they literally need to.

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Intru t1_j9ifh9o wrote

I love to read it when your done, this is something I'm also Greatly concerned about.

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bonanzapineapple t1_j9hzjw5 wrote

I mean when referencing "things to do" and denser housing, historically that's how NH been. It's really only been the past 60 years that housing has been so far from jobs and you need a car to get around.

But as a young person I guess I'm proving your point...

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Intru t1_j9ig0cg wrote

This is something that doesn't get talked about enough most our towns where denser until suburbanization rolled in and then closed the development gate behind them while also inexplicable not allowing towns and city center to keep it's density. Then we pretend we lived in the woods but most of us live in suburbs and depend on suburban amenities for goods and services.

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bonanzapineapple t1_j9kj03d wrote

Yep! If you're not a subsistence farmer you need at least a grocery store near you. Single use zoning is far more uncommon than I wish it was in NH

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General-Silver-4004 t1_j9vjne2 wrote

“Pretend we live in the woods” sums up so many of the social and economic problems.

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UncleRicosWig t1_j9hk5t8 wrote

Build the wall

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raxnbury t1_j9hkb4x wrote

That wall to keep people out? Or keep young people in?

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UncleRicosWig t1_j9hlgt7 wrote

I don’t know man, it’s a joke. I don’t always take this place seriously

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raxnbury t1_j9hllpk wrote

I actually laughed cuz it kills 2 birds with one stone!

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UncleRicosWig t1_j9hmg3s wrote

lol I always looked at it keeping flat landers out, but keeping young educated in is a bonus

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raxnbury t1_j9hnk5v wrote

Man, flatlanders are so weird. I was out in the upper Midwest for work a couple weeks ago. Drove from Indianapolis to Columbus and my god is it weird out there. The best was the billboards, “adult superstore!” “Jesus saves” “abortion kills babies” “guns’r’us” just on repeat. Meanwhile every little “town” I drove through half the buildings and houses were boarded up and falling down.

You ever been up to graft on county? Basically the same lol

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CactusCoffee3 t1_j9jkr78 wrote

Basing the Midwest on billboards and small towns eh? Theres so much diversity in the Midwest so summing it up by a drive through cities isn’t fair. The cities are so different from the country there…. It’s like night and day

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raxnbury t1_j9jm5os wrote

I’ve travelled all over the Midwest. The cities are nice and I enjoy visiting. It’s the small dead towns scattered absolutely everywhere that look like they’re stuck 30 years in the past is what I was talking about. I don’t consider the larger city people “flatlanders”.

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Quirky_Butterfly_946 t1_j9jrzhp wrote

NH does not have a lot of businesses beyond small businesses that do not offer any real income or opportunity. Sure there are the trade businesses, but that is not always where people want to go or end up starting their own business. Looking for a new job myself and there is little offered where people can move around a company and get better wages.

IMHO, jobs are male oriented if you want to make a decent living. Either that or you better have a masters/PhD specific career that has jobs here.

However, there is a doubled edge sword with better jobs comes more people.

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soh_amore t1_j9kvy9s wrote

‘Massholes stfu don’t move here in NH’ Also ‘Massholes please visit Nashua and Merrimack and do your shopping here, support us’

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raxnbury t1_j9kwob0 wrote

I think what they really mean is they don’t want to participate in modern society. They want to pretend they’re still living 60 years in the past. That and just generally scared of any kind of change. Don’t forgot part of it is code for “we don’t want more minorities here”. Now people can deny that all they want but seriously just go talk to anyone outside of any of our cities and they are terrified of “others”

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soh_amore t1_j9l5umu wrote

Irony is strong here. Everyone is an ‘other’ at some point. Do they forget that white people come from the Caucasus and not from Franconia?

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Crunk_NH t1_j9gyood wrote

The whole “Masshole” moniker/obsession here is so childish and odd to me. WHO THE HELL CARES. There’s good and bad people from all of the surrounding states. If you want visit or move to the state, come on over. I frankly don’t care where you’re from. Frankly, if you’re coming from mass, statistically you’re likely to bring more money along with you to spend, so to some extent, I’d even prefer it.

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FatDadMA2NH t1_j9h3yqo wrote

Precisely! As a greying state we welcome young families who are likely to set their roots here, raise their children, use the outdoors, and spend their $$. If we continue our trend towards the North's Florida we will have all old people and not enough young people to take care of them.

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turtles_allthewaydow t1_j9h6477 wrote

Believe it or not more money is not always the answer

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lantrick t1_j9k5o1i wrote

People with disposable income, spending money, keeps small business actually IN business.

I'm not sure why that seems to escape you?

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tourdedance t1_j9iqql0 wrote

And their politics are DEFINITELY not always the answer

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lMickNastyl t1_j9h9lf6 wrote

I use the term masshole all the time. But I swear I thought its supposed to be a joke. Like oh wait you guys are serious?!

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KorMap t1_j9jr1i9 wrote

Mass is like a sibling state to us. We kinda have to poke fun at each other. But in the end we’re still closer to them and the rest of New England than anywhere else, both literally and figuratively. It’s depressing how many people seem to take it seriously though.

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frege2021 t1_j9ibkas wrote

Honestly I think it’s mostly made up. Like I remember growing up and people complaining about massholes, but this sub is on a whole new level. Like most things on the internet, we see only the very loud and extreme

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TacoLoco2 t1_j9hscmx wrote

I’m from Mass, living in NH 15+ years, and fear the wrong type of masshole coming to NH. I moved here because I don’t like how Mass is controlled. If people turn this into that, then what? Those are the people nobody wants. Leave us alone. Mind ya business. Contribute in a meaningful way. Otherwise, stay in Mass!!

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raxnbury t1_j9hvmso wrote

By controlled what do you mean?

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TacoLoco2 t1_j9i8hrf wrote

Corruption, waste, bloat, rules, regulations, government telling you how to live in as many areas of your life as possible, and the low expectations of the citizens who accept it all. Massachusetts sucks. Anyone who likes it, should stay there.

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raxnbury t1_j9i8ztr wrote

I guess that depends on the definition on sucks.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/massachusetts

9th overall. NH is 4th overall in this same list. So while NH is better it’s not like mass is some god forsaken hell hole lol. Guess it’s all relative though.

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TacoLoco2 t1_j9jxaak wrote

Did you miss the last where I wrote ‘low expectations of the people who accept it all’

They think it’s great because they don’t know any better because they don’t leave!

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raxnbury t1_j9jzrs3 wrote

I read that and not quite sure what you’re talking about. What low expectations. Outside of firearms how does mass tell you to live your life? Insurance? Seatbelts?

NH isn’t much better. Can’t buy tobacco under 21 anymore in a lot of places, only New England state without legal cannabis, some of the highest property taxes because the state barely funds education. Don’t get me wrong, we love it here but NH isn’t some bastion of freedom lol

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Magnolia-Rush t1_j9przqw wrote

Yeah, I agree with the other reply. I think a lot of people fall for the "Live Free or Die" image, but NH and Mass have more in commonalities than differences when it comes to state government.

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TacoLoco2 t1_j9ujbcn wrote

As Massachusetts has a ridiculously high tax rate, pays for hundreds of thousands of illegals, and has a license for everything…meanwhile, Sununu is about to consolidate the license process and stop the government from overreaching as they do in Massachusetts. You two have clearly never lived in mass. I’m talking from how it is run by the state and local governments…Massachusetts is nothing close to New Hampshire.

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danmac1152 t1_j9gyxhx wrote

People are only moving to NH because housing is cheaper. It’s not always a “yea let’s move to NH!” Mentality. It’s “where the hell can I afford to own my house.”

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brigdin t1_j9haa4r wrote

So they move here and drive up housing prices here and then nobody from New Hampshire can afford to live here. Wonderful!

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danmac1152 t1_j9hc42a wrote

Yea that’s kinda how it works. Same as how so many people want to move to Mass, drive the prices up, then people from Mass can’t afford to live there. Called supply and demand. I don’t think anyone likes it. But again, people do what they can to afford their lives and survive.

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futureygoodness t1_j9i36ag wrote

People here could choose to build more houses, don’t blame people moving here for poor policy decisions they couldn’t have had a part in.

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raxnbury t1_j9i69sl wrote

You are not wrong. Don’t discount the sway that local property management companies have on local government.

Take Dover for example, last I looked it was something like 50% renters and most of those rentals belong to a handful of shitty property management companies. And they sure as shit don’t want anyone else building but them.

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lellololes t1_j9ji9te wrote

Welcome to Planet Earth, where such things have been happening since the dawn of civilization.

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AllstarGaming617 t1_j9koz58 wrote

That simple ecology 101. Southern New Hampshires proximity to Boston is going to force urbanization from Manchester to Nashua. Boston is one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country being the east coasts hub of technology and education. It has the biggest companies and the best schools. Nothing is going to change that. As Boston grows the “metro” area will slowly come to include Nashua up to Manch, it kind of already does. They literally just but another “city” within Boston in the assembly square area. That type of urban growth around Boston is only going to force further urban expansion away from the city. Lawrence, haverhill, and Lowell are already packed so people are going to skip across those over the border into Nashua. That’s exactly me and my wife’s situation.

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danmac1152 t1_j9kujmg wrote

Absolutely. I live a few minutes over the border and the majority of people in my area either work trades for local companies or travel/remote work to Boston. Like you said, Mass is a very desirable place to live and the expansion will continue

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soh_amore t1_j9ky1rl wrote

Close proximity to a state which doesn’t have income tax. Why stay in Lowell if you can just move 10 miles up and save $$$

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AllstarGaming617 t1_j9l7elg wrote

Well if you work in mass you still have to pay mass state taxes. Although New Hampshire is suing Massachusetts over taxation of remote workers/workers who cross state lines. I don’t think it’ll ever change for workers who physically work for mass companies but I do think eventually remote workers who live in nh will get the benefit of no income tax

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soh_amore t1_j9lb596 wrote

Don’t you normally get some kind of tax credit that offsets the working state’s tax. Maybe that does not work here as NH doesn’t have income tax?

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AllstarGaming617 t1_j9leqz7 wrote

I think that’s what some of the lawsuit between the states is about. Currently there is no tax credit between mass and nh. Living and working across state lines between two states that have income taxes there is a tax credit. My wife and I both work for Massachusetts companies and live in Nashua. She actually works for local government so she’ll always be paying taxes. My company is based out of north Attleboro but I run all operations in New Hampshire so I’m hoping that maybe something pans out in this lawsuit that benefits my tax situation.

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Alternative-Cry-4667 t1_j9gqmzr wrote

Southern New Hampshire has been northern mass for a long time

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citizennsnipps t1_j9h6nlz wrote

As someone who grew up two towns from the border, I'm closer with my southern NH peeps than anyone past Danvers.

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WapsuSisilija t1_j9gmjqm wrote

Deaths exceed births in NH. So...

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codytownshend t1_j9h1rih wrote

Make up your mind, you fucking yokels.
Do you want your businesses to be successful and have traffic? Do you want big business to have incentives to put their operations over the border and hire out of MA as well? Do you think fucking BAE just really doesn't want to wear their seatbelts on their way to work? Do you really think only NH natives are enough to fuel the businesses of resort towns on lakes and ski resorts?

This is inevitable. If you don't like urban sprawl, move north like me and my relatives have been doing every 20 years or so. It is what it is. NH NEEDS MA or else a lot of people are gonna have to sell a lot of pontoon boats.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j9hdp0j wrote

You can come and utilize said businesses and head back to mass and live on top of each other. It’s simple.

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StrikingExamination6 t1_j9hmpvh wrote

That is the dumbest opinion you can have. When rural New England towns die, this is the mentality that will have killed them. I hope you enjoy your town with nothing new opening, but for the rest of us, new is good.

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raxnbury t1_j9hqr6r wrote

I think you kind of hit the nail on the head though. They want zero change. They want their little town to stay just like it is forever. I mean Jesus, go drive around grafton or coos county. More buildings boarded up than not. But hey, at least there’s no scary big city folk.

Seriously though, once you get north of concord you might as well be somewhere deep in Mississippi or Alabama

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StrikingExamination6 t1_j9ht5ho wrote

Look at aroostook county in maine. They’re so afraid of “the others” that they allow town after town to die instead of attempting to bring in any type of new blood.

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raxnbury t1_j9hv93f wrote

“The others” you ain’t lying. Was up north a few years ago during the height of the George Floyd protests doing some work for a guy who actually believed “those n-words are gonna come here and rob us” I gently reminded him of the half dozen or so meth heads currently vandalizing the area, but yes, he scared of black peoples who wouldn’t be caught dead in those boonies.

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9hnwyr wrote

LOL you’ll all still bitch when 93 south is a parking lot on Sunday afternoon.

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Intru t1_j9ih022 wrote

Or you know we can de-center car oriented development and you know prevent sprawl, promote livable density and promote rail down to mass and other work corridors so that less traffic happens. A lot of our community's urban centers and older suburb could use some density and could handle a modest bump-up in it. It's a win win we keep sprawl outside of the woods and we increase housing without going full 10 story towers, not like that was going to ever happen anyways, especially when most recidencial zoned land in the state is reserved for single family which is part of the reason why we can't build more affordably (yes i know there's a lot of other factors as well) just preamting the density means skyscraper crowd.

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9j5m3b wrote

You’re not wrong. But I would point you to exhibit A: every single one of you fives in a town and every single one of those towns has a FB page. And every single time something new or different or expansive is mentioned or begun, every slack jawed generational townie sharpens their pitchfork to go on there and say “ we’re becoming Massachusetts!!!1!” All because an apartment complex is being erected.

They cite the traffic it will cause while complaining about those people not working. They complain that it will overburden the school though there are less families with children per capita in apartments than in single fam neighborhoods. They bitch about the infrastructure while complaining about paying to upgrade the infrastructure.

It doesn’t matter. People complain. Progress is necessary and it’s hard because someone’s grandpa didn’t need a rail system to Boston.

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Intru t1_j9kmjf4 wrote

Oh I'm with you on this, with one correction, most of our grandparent, us millennials and boomers, actually did need/use trains to Boston, and pretty much every single town in NH up to the 1950s that how we moved around. Although not in NH my grandfather always complained about that we got rid of trains, trolleys, and train travel, he always lamented how annoying and stressful it is to drive into our state capital, San Juan, with a car and wished the trains were still there. The man was a coffee farmer from the sticks and still could see the value of good public transit.

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9l780h wrote

I’m 1000% with you. But people still bitch.

These will complain about ‘Big Government’ spending our hard earned tax dollars on trains that only out of towners will use to rob our homes and violate the good name of our women. Shit, the state (I won’t tell you which side of the aisle) has already shut down the study, BEING PAID FOR BY FEDERAL FUNDS, into rail continuation feasibility.

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No-Location-4795 t1_j9gwr15 wrote

If you dont want massholes to live here then stop selling land and houses to them

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j9hdgt7 wrote

Finally. And we should build a wall and require them to pay a toll everytime they come across the buy groceries.

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Jean-Paul_Sartre t1_j9hnqjd wrote

Which would ultimately lead to a hilarious supreme court case with an embarrassing 9-0 ruling against NH

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j9i5uln wrote

Nah. Scotus also knows what a plague y’all are.

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Jean-Paul_Sartre t1_j9ijyz4 wrote

... I'm a New Hampshire native. The only other place I've ever lived was in Québec for a year.

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Rare_Message_7204 t1_j9h2q1a wrote

I'm fine with people moving here, as long as they don't come here and try to change our way of life.

That's never made sense to me. You choose to move then attempt to change your new home to match the crap you moved away from.

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11BMasshole t1_j9h8vhs wrote

As someone who’s lived in Mass, California, Virginia and North Carolina. That stupid saying of “ Don’t change our way of life” has to be the most ignorant one. We all live in the U.S.A for crying out loud. The way of life in San Diego is pretty much the same as Boston. The way of Life in Wilmington was the same as Boston and San Diego. There’s literally nothing to change. Some of the food is different, the way certain things are done like trash, water / sewer etc are different. But quite literally everything else is the same. People in NH don’t live a unique lifestyle that is just NH.

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G_roundC_offee t1_j9haz2q wrote

The taxes, laws and policies of MA would indicate a very different way of thinking and living. I’m from MA and moved to NH because it wasn’t desirable to the way I wanted to live. I love it in NH, mainly because I don’t get penalized for getting up in the morning and going to work and I get to indulge in certain sports and hobbies that would cost more money just to ask for permission ( another thing I really don’t like) to partake in, before actually spending money on said hobby

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turtles_allthewaydow t1_j9hepxv wrote

I’ve found noticeable cultural differences in different regions of the country (It’s pretty fucking big) maybe consider if you’re ignorant as well before pointing the finger chief.

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-cochise t1_j9hd4ww wrote

You’ll notice you’re comparing coastal cities to coastal cities.

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Rare_Message_7204 t1_j9hbohp wrote

If these places are all the same as you say, then why do people move? Come on

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skigirl180 t1_j9hfvq1 wrote

You think people only move to be in a different environment? Seriously? Have you ever talked to anyone who has moved? There are endless reasons why people move.

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11BMasshole t1_j9hcegl wrote

Most move for Jobs or education. Not for the so called way of life. I moved to NC because winters to me are the worst. Not for any supposed way of life. My day to day life is exactly the same as it was in Massachusetts, and except warmer.

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-cochise t1_j9hdasn wrote

See you mention jobs and education and then in the very next sentence state that a shift away from seasonal living was your biggest factor in moving.

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11BMasshole t1_j9hh8if wrote

It still doesn’t change my day to day life. And a northerner can’t bring the weather south.

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Skidro92 t1_j9hmkqk wrote

Probably one of the more garbage/uninformed takes I’ve seen in a while.

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YBMExile t1_j9hl4f4 wrote

This attitude cracks me up. Live Free but Don’t Vote Here?

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9ho900 wrote

How very MTG of you…

If you pay NH property taxes, you have the right to do whatever you are legally allowed to do. Not a fan? Move to Berlin

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FromTheTreeline556 t1_j9hpl7b wrote

What a weird way of saying "I can't read and entirely miss points"

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9hq8ah wrote

OK enlighten me. My smooth brain read this comment to mean that they are cool with people moving here, but just as long as you do what we do. Which is not AT ALL how this thing works.

But I’m dumb so enlighten me.

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HoneyBeeGreen80 t1_j9hzyal wrote

And them’s some hefty property taxes, esp compared to Mass

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Quirky_Butterfly_946 t1_j9jzqjd wrote

They are/were pretty much equal. Higher priced property with slightly lower taxes equal lower priced property with slightly higher taxes.

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HoneyBeeGreen80 t1_j9ka0ft wrote

Not the same when you pay off your mortgage though. Property taxes vary a lot in Mass, they’re very low in Boston

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Pizzaloverfor t1_j9hjrxw wrote

My wife and I happily brought our democratic votes to NH when we moved up from Mass a few years ago.

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YBMExile t1_j9hlmb7 wrote

Still straddling the MA/NH line (literally 180 days a year in each state) and can’t wait to vote (BLUE) here. But don’t come at me, my better half was raised here. Meanwhile, I’m a decent person, I pay my taxes, keep up my home, and I’m a good neighbor.

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Emeleigh_Rose t1_j9higtb wrote

The down-side of out-of-staters moving into NH is there's now a housing shortage and the cost of housing, especially, in southern NH is becoming unaffordable to many people born, raised and wanting to stay in NH.

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bostonkittycat t1_j9hknpw wrote

I moved here 7 years ago after my neighbor died from a stab wound in Everett MA. I am on the conservative side and donate a lot to the local church and food pantry. I want to strengthen the community feeling of the town I live in. Maybe not a typical Mass person but there are plenty like me I have run into.

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paraplegic_T_Rex t1_j9i9rap wrote

People aren’t moving here to change the state. They aren’t moving here to make NH “woke”. They aren’t moving here because they want to take yer jobs or any other argument.

People are moving here from MA because housing is cheaper.

Lots of people (like me) got remote jobs and moved to NH because we could afford the home our family needed in NH, we didn’t have to pay income tax as remote workers or owned a small business (also me), and it’s also beautiful country and a lot of us from MA (also me) spent many summers in NH and loved it.

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Rolling_Beardo t1_j9hk50g wrote

People constantly complaining about Massholes need to grow up. People move it’s really not that big of a deal. So unless your family has been in NH since 1788 then at some point your family moved here too. And if you really want to get technical unless your family is 100% Native American then they moved here at some point as well.

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wildfire_atomic t1_j9i7zvn wrote

Every time I go to NH everyone I see is old as time itself. You guys need some new younger people moving in.

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FatherOfTheVoid t1_j9io6yv wrote

We need more housing at affordable levels to retain younger residents as well.

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Beantownbrews t1_j9h4sab wrote

So I live in central Mass, and I assume most ‘masshole’ behavior really refers to Boston-area residents.

I’d love to move north someday. What’s with all the Massachusetts hate?

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Historical_Pie_5193 t1_j9hb2mv wrote

I’m originally from the Merrimack valley. I moved north about 20 years ago. Some people up here make some noise but that’s all it is.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j9hdxpo wrote

Too many people=too much like Mass. Just sheer amount of people fuckin sucks down there. Traffic, shitty houses and apartments everywhere to try to house everyone. NH is nice because our population remains low.

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raxnbury t1_j9hr7dl wrote

Except that the small population is quickly leading to an aging population. I travel for work frequently. You can always tell you’re getting on a flight to Manchester because there usually a half dozen or so geriatrics in wheel chairs and the rest of the plain averages about 65 years old.

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turtles_allthewaydow t1_j9hftwb wrote

I think you’d be surprised the amount of people that move here from mass then proceed to complain that it’s not more like mass. I’ve heard the most complaints about politics and lack of sidewalks (not sure which one is more stupid)

Have a sense of humor and don’t be a dick, I think that’s all that’s required for a warm welcome.

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Adultemoteacher t1_j9haqjg wrote

I just want to live in the mountains. If I was able to I’d live up in the whites so I could hike all I want instead of having to drive 2 and 1/2 hours up from my house.

Nature is beautiful and that’s why I’d want to move up there.

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MiggySmalls6767 t1_j9hdzwp wrote

Lovely. Stop selling your homes to them. Simple.

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poopdick72 t1_j9hrprn wrote

They tooook eeeerrrr juuuuubbbbbsssss

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frege2021 t1_j9ic8xl wrote

God the comments on here really shows how fuckin dense the vast majority of folks in this sub are.

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9hnl8l wrote

Says every complaint about “Massholes” since 1990…

You don’t like them moving here… move to Mass!

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fairywakes t1_j9ir62o wrote

Massholes are being priced out of their own state.

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Dizzy_Form6865 t1_j9ju5gi wrote

Just don’t raise the state income tax.

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Quirky_Butterfly_946 t1_j9gnvuy wrote

The only way to combat this is to be extra New Hampshirey, correct Masshole behavior, and at the very least be NE surly.

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SolitudeNH t1_j9hhqrx wrote

I for one refuse to wave with more then one finger off the wheel, fire off twice as many bullets while making my shine, and only give directions using landmarks that haven’t existed for generations followed by rambling stories.

“Ayuh go north on 13, you’ll pass where the Johnsons used to have a dairy barn, back in about ‘68 it they sold the cows but kept the land to grow hay, then when old man Johnson passed his sons didn’t want it and his wife couldn’t maintain the grounds, so it fell into disrepair. A few people in town tried to get the conservation board to buy it as a landmark but they didn’t get enough funds so it fell to a developer, and that’s how that goes. Anyways, keep going north until you see where Curtis used to chop corn with his old combine before he switched to a diesel rig, this was back before they switched from sweet corn to that number 2 stuff and……”

Edit: legitimate directions I’ve gotten from my old man, and I remember him getting similar directions from my great grandfather. And I, happy to say, have found myself giving my wife directions in the same manner, referencing people who died or Moved away before I was even born.

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reditittiess t1_j9h9b2z wrote

Setting booby traps around the dooryard. LET THEM COME.

Kidding. Native wooded NH folk here. That sucks. I hope they hate it here and go back.

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stewie_glick t1_j9hk3j2 wrote

My house will be on the market soon, old people won't want it because it has stairs, young people won't want it because there's no internet available.

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Happy_Confection90 t1_j9ifv07 wrote

I'm middle-aged and no internet is absolutely a deal breaker given I work from home most days.

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Tommyt5150 t1_j9hn3ha wrote

Nooooo make them stop

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bigditka t1_j9i3dz0 wrote

Average IQ going up in both states. Win Win.

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Former-Leg5366 t1_j9jgo29 wrote

I don’t mind people from Massachusetts coming up to visit New Hampshire. I do mind tourists that come to New Hampshire, treat it like a toilet, and act like they own the place.

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CactusCoffee3 t1_j9jkfsk wrote

NH has good nature. People are not welcoming unless you go north in the state. I often felt overwhelmed and somewhat yelled at by locals if that makes sense. I moved from the Midwest and I had to leave the state as a young person because the future felt somewhat bleak without progressive people or infrastructure plans. It was just sad living there as a young person who couldn’t afford a house and job pay wasn’t great unless I moved to mass.

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Creative_Camel t1_j9jklur wrote

I’m a transplant here in NH for my job. I have not experienced anything like animosity and I really like it here. However work is changing again and I will likely have to move in 2023. I’ve got nothing but positive things to say about NH except the snow has been more than what I was used to dealing with prior. Having a plow on my garden tractor and a working snowblower made it easier. PS - I’m old so maybe I’m the right or wrong demographic lol

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Traditional_Room_931 t1_j9jru2m wrote

At the rate the housing is going in NH, I don’t think more people will move into the state. NH housing is already more costly than many of the towns in MA, and don’t forget the instance property taxes

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Beretta92A1 t1_j9jx8d3 wrote

Yeah I am a reformed Masshole but I like the way the state is… except maybe the state monopoly on liquor…

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CLS4L t1_j9k8chf wrote

Thats what it takes to find out they have higher property taxes. Next they will still continue to drive down 93 to find work. They will return in a few years only to be priced out of market.

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pinklittlelamb t1_j9lc06c wrote

Boston doc here. Considering moving north for my first job post-residency, but think you guys have an anti-intellectual mentality. Change my view

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odat247 t1_j9jfqqu wrote

I struggle with this. I was born here but my Dad was from Mass 😇

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9hoeju wrote

New Hampshireites are fucking insufferable

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FatherOfTheVoid t1_j9inzwc wrote

Then why are you in the subreddit?

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GonzoTheGreat22 t1_j9j4zqm wrote

“….uh you can come here and visit but don’t bring your way of life to my subreddit and then leave and go home to your own subreddit to be whatever….”

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twosquarewheels t1_j9hxzgt wrote

Yeah. Tell me about. Especially to the mount Washington valley. It’s completely changed here in the last two years. Really no difference between here and just outside of Boston any. Everything is just mediocre as shut.

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Apart-Patient-5237 t1_j9i6ajr wrote

The comments from Bay Staters in this thread are a nice parallel to the usual quality of charming people that make the actual journey from Massachusetts to New Hampshire.

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KrissaKray t1_j9ktlay wrote

We need to build a wall.

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G_roundC_offee t1_j9h8qbe wrote

As long as they leave the politics behind that led to mass being an undesirable place to live, welcome

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YBMExile t1_j9hlqm4 wrote

Massachusetts is a great place to live, and enough of us are back and forth or have lived in both places over the decades. Being in NH doesn’t = I hate Massachusetts.

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FirmDelivery7232 t1_j9goqn4 wrote

That's because they are like coackroaches trying to make the state blue!

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Undaedalus t1_j9gq4f9 wrote

The state has voted for the Democratic candidate in the last several presidential elections and both of it's Senators and both of it's House Reps are Democrats as well. The state is already pretty blue.

Maybe your outreach would be more effective if you didn't call your political rivals "cockroaches".

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NashuaGarden t1_j9gqz62 wrote

Haven’t seen a takedown that bad in awhile. Can’t wait to see their reply.

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BlackJesus420 t1_j9gr5v5 wrote

Totally cool and normal to refer to human beings living on the other side of an imaginary line, with whom our own state’s history, culture, economy, and society are inextricably intertwined, as cockroaches. Not at all sociopathic.

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chait1199 t1_j9gs93y wrote

Funny how people like you are still convinced NH is a red state despite almost 25 years of voting mostly blue.

Also, Mass transplants are the most conservative voting bloc in this state. Studies have been done on this and the claim of “red” NH locals being overrun by blue Mass transplants has been long disproven.

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UniqueCartel t1_j9guks9 wrote

Can confirm. Most people moving “to” NH from southern New England are moving there out of a perceived political kinship. People in Southern New England talk about NH and Maine as though they are the motherland. And it is always in the context of right wing politics or general conservative points of view. No body is moving to NH to “turn it blue”. If anything they’re moving there to turn it red. This is anecdotal of course

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chait1199 t1_j9gvrg0 wrote

They should honestly just move down south or to the mountain west if they want to live in an actual conservative state. Can’t imagine how fast they’d sprint back to NE after realizing how terrible red America is. Perhaps they’d actually learn (the hard way) to appreciate where they live.

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UniqueCartel t1_j9jnom7 wrote

This is always my point about New England conservatives. The hardest red of red New Englander is little snowflake SJW compared to a Bible Belt run-of-the-mill average everyday conservative (hyperbole). Even more so for New Englanders who are catholic and think they are hardcore conservative. The religious right views right wing Catholics as performing conservative cosplay. So when I see the rebel confederate flag in New England I have to sigh, then laugh.

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chait1199 t1_j9jroz8 wrote

I feel like most “conservatives” who move here from southern New England are performing conservative cosplay.

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