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SnapCrackleMom t1_j967m5n wrote

Not equating this tragedy with the car flipping on Superbowl Sunday, but this is the second time in a week we've had a national news story about violence and chaos at Temple and the culprits have been privileged young white men from the suburbs.

This guy's IG is full of dirt bikes and ATVs. How many of the assholes racing up and down Broad are from the suburbs? How many of the people who trashed police cars during the BLM protests were white people from the suburbs?

This guy comes from money. One of the men who turned himself in for the car flipping is the son of an Upper Darby town councilperson. I think it's worth examining and discussing the issue of suburban people of privilege treating Philadelphia like their personal Rage Room.

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Philodemus1984 t1_j96c5zk wrote

On a somewhat related note, my understanding is that a good number of addicts/mentally ill/unhoused people/etc are originally from the burbs and often their issues began while still living in the burbs (for example they first became addicted while living in the burbs). If so, then suburbanites are often exporting their problems (drug addiction/mental illness/etc) to our city. And then many of these suburbanites point their fingers at us and say that our city is a shithole for having to actually deal with these problems rather than export them elsewhere.

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burrata-academy t1_j96e9hx wrote

Just anecdotal evidence, but I grew up in the burbs—a really nice one tbh—and have run into classmates on the El suffering from addiction. Have family members who have ended up down in Kensington addicted to heroin.

I always joke that if you’re raised in the suburbs you end up in the city, one way or another: either for college, for a better job, or with a drug addiction. All the “City Bad Suburbs Perfect” people never want to hear it though.

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Zhuul t1_j96d2rq wrote

Please be as critical as you want of this number because I have no idea how accurate such a survey can be but I’ve seen it estimated that ~60% of the homeless population in Philly is from somewhere else.

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sandwichpepe t1_j96equl wrote

many many addicts on the streets of kensington are from the suburbs originally

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PhillyPanda t1_j96grj3 wrote

Philadelphia is a destination drug city. But that’s a fault of philadelphia. We attract people from out of town to come here with our drug culture.

We’re also a destination healthcare city and do the same with our hospitals and that’s a huge pro for philly.

I dont think you can only accept the suburban transplants for the good things while not acknowledging it’s Philly’s flaws that are ultimately drawing people with drug addictions here.

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kaiwrx t1_j96dpoq wrote

Anytime i see people trashing a city during an event i assume they're going home to their quiet suburban neighborhoods after.. people usually don't destroy a street they need to walk down everyday

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DisciplineShot2872 t1_j96gmc5 wrote

I lived in a "tourist" town for 15 years. It's the same thing. People do all sort of horrible shit that they'd never consider doing where they live.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j96dz21 wrote

Yeah. I get that drunk college students are gonna drunk college student but they absolutely wouldn't have trashed a car in Clifton Heights or Aldan where they're from.

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silktennisshoes t1_j96lyxc wrote

As someone who was at the scene of that car flipping, I can confirm this and support every word you’ve said. I don’t blame Philly natives for hating suburbians at all.

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proudbakunkinman t1_j96nfdy wrote

I think another factor is a sense of rules not applying as much since you're in a different area than where you spend most of your time in. Thinking you're nearly unidentifiable, not caring about the locals since you know you won't be running into them again, and thinking the local police will somehow have a tougher time finding you since you're not a local. Edit: not sure which word caused this to be auto-removed.

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ColdJay64 t1_j968be2 wrote

IMO part of it is the media, this is one of the many effects of sensational and over-reporting of crime - people get the impression that they can come into the city and get away with it.

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mountjo t1_j96a6kp wrote

Yup. Keep calling Philly lawless online and people are gonna act like it.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96lxjl wrote

Because it is.

The PPD is a joke, law enforcement on the streets doesn't exist, and everyone knows it.

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Scumandvillany t1_j96au0e wrote

Two things can be true: Philadelphia is relatively lawless

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LFKhael t1_j96g6os wrote

It's the same shit in New Orleans.

Most of the insane footage you see from Mardi Gras is drunk assholes from somewhere else.

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tossup17 t1_j96nt41 wrote

Definitely part of it. Just look at all the narratives and commentators joking about how Philadelphia was going to be anarchy and chaos whether the Eagles won or lost. It feeds into outside people thinking that's what they have to do, when the reality is the people that actually live here aren't like that. Philly never riots when a team loses, we just get sad and drunk.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96losb wrote

Well statistically they can come in and get away with it. The PPD clearance rate and DA prosecution rates are a joke.

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SpauldingSmails18 t1_j96968b wrote

I’ve never had the privilege of visiting Upper Darby but I’ve been there a ton

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Lunamothknits t1_j96e2h5 wrote

-whispers- I've been bitching about this for years.

People think the city is just soooooo scary. The county has plenty of its own criminals, and they often come here to fuck around. They've been treating the city as their personal playground for a while. I mean, look at the stats on who's down on the Ave seeking a fix.

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go_berds t1_j96g33y wrote

I agree with most of what you said but I’m fairly confident that most people riding ATVs down broad are from the city

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ylli101 t1_j96hjv1 wrote

Actually you’d be surprised, a good amount are people from the suburbs (no joke). They trailer their dirt bikes, atvs, side by sides etc and ride them through the city and then load them back up and go home.

I’ve witnessed it, others have as well and it’s actually crazy if you think about it. I’m not saying that their are city dwellers that dont do it too but shockingly a good amount are suburbia people.

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Vague_Disclosure t1_j96lzim wrote

This guy literally has a picture of his dirtbike in the bed of a pickup on 28th st

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ylli101 t1_j96nyfd wrote

Exactly, it’s a good mix of suburbia and city people but I have found these huge huge packs of the bike life people are the suburban people. You see the occasional few dirt bikes doing wheelies and that’s city folk.

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YoungMuppet t1_j969v5b wrote

This is definitely worth discussion. I'd be curious to see if there is a way to measure it, if it is a statistically significant occurrence.

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datruesurfer t1_j96eb3o wrote

We need tougher judges across the board. This girl was killed in Manayunk a few years ago by her own father. But the whole thing started with a custody dispute in bucks county family court. Judge flat out ignored all the warning signs and granted unsupervised shared custody to a mentally unstable man.

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AbsentEmpire t1_j96mnzn wrote

Part of the problem is that judges have to weigh the avaliable space in prisons to comply with court orders about prison crowding.

The way we elect judges isn't good, and it results in people who should not be on the bench making terrible decisions, however it's also not entirely the fault of judges when bad outcomes happen due lack of available prison space.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j96ejvl wrote

Well keep in mind that police are the literal enemy in the city, making it easy for shitheads from the county to come in and cause trouble, because it’s pretty well known there won’t be consequences. Suburban counties actually put people in jail making it less attractive to losers like this kid to do shit there instead of making the short drive to the city.

Then factor in how short handed PPD is since it’s been made abundantly clear to them (see my first article) that they aren’t wanted and are unliked, and it becomes a self fulfilling problem and is an inevitable downward spiral that will only cost the city and it’s residents in the long run.

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j96k56x wrote

The articles are saying that Miles Pfeffer is well known to law enforcement in Bucks so I'd say that particular suburban county has failed to provide adequate consequences in this case.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j96kr22 wrote

For what, though? Could be known for anything, including his propensity to go into the city to commit crimes.

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mishmash43 t1_j96fj0i wrote

the initial story was posted on /r/conservative, i am guessing the follow up won't be

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phillybeardo t1_j965qf1 wrote

I wonder if folks in the other thread talking about sending the military to North Philly to lock down/raid the neighborhood will wake up this morning with a changed heart? Or, will they continue on living on with that viewpoint in their heart? I guess we'll see (they probably won't change).

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BureaucraticHotboi t1_j96ap8q wrote

I seem to remember a very highly upvoted comment about how Cecil B Moore would weep(with the assumption the shooter was black)

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BirthdayPast t1_j96lwqw wrote

highly doubt the original poster knows much about cecil b. moore beyond the street name

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Desjardins99 t1_j96co7j wrote

Don't think the truth will matter. Despite the fact tons of ppl in rural areas own ATVs and have no idea what "bike life" even is....some people in the OG thread saw he owned dirt bikes and pivoted to him being "influenced" by "north Philly bike life".

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phillybeardo t1_j96cyi0 wrote

Oh, for sure. I feel like if you've reached the point of saying things like (and I paraphrase), "they should go door to door through the neighborhood and raid each home", your POV has been settled WAY before this case, or any new facts about it.

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burrata-academy t1_j96dgxj wrote

Genuinely the dumbest take imaginable, but if you’re addicted to your simplistic narratives and too small to cut it in the real world, you’re gonna end up grasping at straws. It’s fucking embarrassing.

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Raecino t1_j96khfd wrote

The disgusting racists in this subreddit make me sick.

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sugr_magnolia t1_j96l1oh wrote

Please report racist content. We can't be in every thread at all times.

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DuvalHeart t1_j96nw6k wrote

Does it have to be outright or do dogwhistles count?

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sugr_magnolia t1_j96o7xp wrote

Anything and everything should be reported. We know a dogwhistle when we see one, and we do our best to remove content before it's even reported. But we can't have eyes on every thread at all times.

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OneTrueDweet t1_j96nytu wrote

How do we report dog whistles? They skirt around it but talking about the neighborhoods instead of the residents.

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EvilGnome01 t1_j96iy2h wrote

Doesn't take much to get them to show their fascist tendencies

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ScrappleOnToast t1_j9646hx wrote

Suburban kid playing gangster. His Instagram is mostly fishing and motor biking, until recently, where he’s flashing cash and a pistol in his waistband.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j9683hu wrote

Sounds like he’s more than capable of making choices.

Fry him, let him face the consequences.

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toss_it_out_tomorrow t1_j96ihkn wrote

he's got a gun in his waistband on a dirtbike. How does one jump hills on a dirtbike with a gun strapped in their waist?

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SaltPepperKetchup215 t1_j965s6k wrote

Brother carjacks. Cop makes arrest this brother shoots cop while arresting. Supposedly all on very clear video. Absolutely no fucking plea here. Put them both away forever.

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Scumandvillany t1_j967g16 wrote

MANDATORY 4K gets one for the team. Though I'm pretty sure they used geofence warrants thru the marshals service to get the guy, as well as running his face thru reverse image search(which of course mandatory 4K enables)

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phillysleuther t1_j96a1zd wrote

Reminds me of that DiNardo kid.

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Vague_Disclosure t1_j96feck wrote

Another wealthy wannabe gangster, although that only makes 2 high profile incidents in the past like 6 years

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Mindless_Medicine972 t1_j96f583 wrote

And just like that, Philly cops track down and arrest a carjacker.

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Mike81890 t1_j96iids wrote

So they CAN solve crimes, they just don't feel like it.

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NonIdentifiableUser t1_j964bet wrote

The twist no one saw coming.

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sandwichpepe t1_j966vpw wrote

i wrote last night that the suspect was white or hispanic and mfs downvoted me to oblivion lol 🤷 oops

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AgentDaxis t1_j96acyi wrote

The crimeporn posters on here hate it when the facts don't fit their racist narratives.

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PhillyPanda t1_j96bm18 wrote

Lock the guy up. Color doesn’t matter. Age doesn’t matter. Socioeconomic status doesn’t matter. Where they’re from doesn’t matter. Still the same answer.

The good thing is this guy was caught. The tragic thing is an officer was killed. It doesn’t fit the acab narrative either but I am sure people who believe that also believe this guy deserves to be in prison. If it was caught on camera like people have said, that makes it much more likely and thats a good thing.

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PhillyPanda t1_j96c5zd wrote

“You all”? I don’t remember commenting last night.

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PhillyPanda t1_j96degf wrote

I believe that philly has crime issues and that it’s ok to discuss them here.

I also basically wrote our most recent rendition of the wiki on this subreddit.

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PhillyPanda t1_j96d9v1 wrote

I agree, that’s what my post is saying. As a law and order person who believes philly has crime issues, this guy belongs in jail. As an acab guy, you believe this guy belongs in jail.

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lifeaftermutation t1_j965n42 wrote

look at that house lol his ass has no business even pretending to play gangster https://twitter.com/beccah6abc/status/1627318965968969730?s=46&t=SKhE2zwhR7OpLIgpGARRvA

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j969fb7 wrote

It's a 22 acre horse farm.

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theytook-r-jobs t1_j96a13v wrote

The fuck are they carjacking in North Philly for?

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SnapCrackleMom t1_j96awz6 wrote

I don't know. His IG is all snowboarding, dirt bikes, and fishing trips, and then more recently wads of cash.

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pasnow t1_j96clt7 wrote

Probably thought they could, and made some baaad decisions when it failed.

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Scumandvillany t1_j96aoc5 wrote

22 acres in buckingham is worth more than 10 million dollars

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ResidentComplaint19 t1_j967jx4 wrote

The fear we Bucksconians have about the city violence creeping into our safe neighborhoods finally coming true. Edit /s

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SupaflyIRL t1_j9670wy wrote

Especially not those dog whistle racists posting stuff like “they’re not sending their best” in the original thread. Or saying what we need to do with “these neighborhoods”.

Big L for them.

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alittlemouth t1_j9655a7 wrote

A teenager who has never faced consequences his entire life? Not surprising at all…

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Lunamothknits t1_j9651n2 wrote

Or one I always see coming. The amount of crime county kids create in the city is my least favorite feature.

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LFKhael t1_j96etg0 wrote

My favorite is the "kids who hunt and fish don't wheel and deal" bumper sticker.

A lot of people never experienced the anarchy of the sticks.

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Lunamothknits t1_j96hid1 wrote

Higher taxes, subpar schools, and they still do crime? Perfect. 😂

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moderately_random t1_j96d4b6 wrote

I hope, I hope his rich parents don’t get them off. These bastards had a life of privilege some of us (ME)could only dream of. I want them to rot their whole rest of their lives in prison.

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tastycakebiker t1_j96dhnt wrote

No amount of money will get you off of capital murder of a police officer

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Hib3rnian t1_j96iazo wrote

No, but a good lawyer and plea bargain will help make the sentence easier and probation a quicker reality.

Opie will be out back in the burbs in 10 yrs, released quietly and working some nice job daddy arranges for him.

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a-german-muffin t1_j96k0ro wrote

If this is all on video, as has been claimed, there’s zero chance of a plea. They’ll nuke this kid from orbit.

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RJ5R t1_j96l86y wrote

The one who pulled the trigger will be decades behind bars, none of that out in 10 yrs shit with this one

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moderately_random t1_j96j43j wrote

this is my fear. scumbag rich suburban kids come here to act tough and cause chaos like we don’t have our own local criminals to contend with.

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tastycakebiker t1_j96jz62 wrote

I truly doubt that. It’s ashame he’ll be tried in Philly… if there is anyone to allow something like that it’s Philly’s DA office. Weintraub and the bucks county DA office would lock his ass up for life and throw away the key. They know how to try crime

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DuvalHeart t1_j96oh0o wrote

Increased punishment does not act as a deterrent to criminal behavior. The only deterrent to criminal behavior is an increased perceived belief in being caught. That's why DUI checkpoints work, but automatic loss of a license doesn't.

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joeltheprocess76 t1_j96csmf wrote

It takes a lot of balls or stupidity to shoot a cop in the head. Cops may not find the murderer for a civilian crime but if he thought cops don’t use every resource to find a cop killer // this kid is going to love what happens when he goes to prison

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bxmxc_vegas t1_j96i1af wrote

Cosmo dinardo all over again.

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Lubbles t1_j96k2nu wrote

“This is so sad. As a kid i have many fond memories of Bucks County but i hardly recognize it today. Its a shame but i feel its a lost cause and no longer has any real community to protect it and prevent these things”

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LFKhael t1_j96kbon wrote

"This wouldn't happen if Weintraub would stop pushing his woke agenda."

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rossdowdell t1_j96mp81 wrote

The same people in here that were upset this would fit a narrative about a black guy killing a cop are somewhat satisfied it is a white Bucks kid that killed a cop.

Meanwhile, the cop is still dead. A cop killer is in jail. Hopefully, he never has a free day for as long as he lives. That's the narrative.

I am not sure why anyone would look at this murderer's Internet presence other than to find fodder to lob at those they disagree with. He's a cop killer. That's his identity from here on.

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LettersNSodas t1_j96kb2d wrote

Folks are understandably disturbed by this killing but rape jokes aren't the answer.

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Fourlec t1_j9670l1 wrote

Death penalty. Fuck this pos.

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pasnow t1_j96d2he wrote

I consider myself pretty liberal, but things like this & the school shooters deserve to get it imo.

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RJ5R t1_j96kyrb wrote

There were some pretty vile comments in this thread, I see now that the mod removed them. And likely for good cause.

I am skipping over the rest of the race-based comments, just to say I am so glad they caught the ones responsible for this murder. I hope the entire bookshelf is thrown at them. The area around Temple seems to be getting worse and worse, certainly worse than when I took classes there back in the early 2000's

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Kodiak_85 t1_j96i5va wrote

Bury this piece of shit under the jail.

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sugr_magnolia t1_j9684u7 wrote

Don't call out other users

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nalgene_wilder t1_j96cirr wrote

Are yall gonna do anything about the wildly racist rhetoric or..?

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sugr_magnolia t1_j96nz08 wrote

Please report any racist content. We can't be in every thread all the time and take it very seriously.

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nalgene_wilder t1_j96o4at wrote

Lol yeah, yall are never able to do anything about the racist content but you sure are all up in this thread

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sugr_magnolia t1_j96g7ci wrote

This is a reminder to be civil and otherwise follow the rules of the sub when posting.

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