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fudgy_brownies t1_iw1mkxg wrote

Other news headlines from India (please check the previous comment in my profile for sources):

  • VPN providers flee India because of new data law that mandates collection of customer data

  • Govt proposes law to intercept encrypted messages on WhatsApp, Signal etc. Signal Says It Will Exit India Rather Than Compromise Its Encryption

  • India sets up panel with veto power over social media content moderation

  • Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

  • India apparently purchased and used Pegasus against prominent journalists and senior politicians

  • India ranks #1 in the world in terms of number of internet shutdows. Internet and phone services are shut down to quell protests.

  • Youtube channels and social media channels are regularly blocked for spreading "fake news". No transparency why or what gets blocked.

  • Thousands of websites blocked every year by the IT Ministry.

  • Almost all top p0rn websites are blocked in India (total list ~900)

  • In J&K, India experimented with a whitelist of allowed websites (not a blacklist, a whitelist, everything else is blocked)

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MasterElf425900 t1_iw1y2tx wrote

seems like they wanna be China 2.0

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GOR098 t1_iw2avem wrote

The top duo in Indian govt Modi n shah are wannabe fascists dictators. They want complete control and power. Their opposition party has also become quite lame.

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__DraGooN_ t1_iw2qem8 wrote

If you read the article, this was started by the previous government. And Congress or any other political party for that matter have no problems with censorship and spying. All the political parties, including BJP are in the same boat.

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summingly t1_iw2z0mj wrote

Yeah, everything bad was started by the Congress, and BJP had to toe this line helplessly. And everything good was begun in 2014

I really hope hope they retain power for years.

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[deleted] t1_iw282vu wrote

They have a huge population like China, they can see what works and doesn’t work in China. And they clearly understand the power of unregulated internet to adversaries.

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charavaka t1_iw55o7m wrote

Are you justifying the Internet censorship? What adversaries benefit from porn sites?

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[deleted] t1_iwba4a1 wrote

No but I understand why a country would like to control the content of it’s internet. See Qanon, and disinformation posts.

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nagonjin t1_iw3s8rn wrote

Something I've worried about for a long time - China, India, even the US are proving the efficacy of surveillance technology, even with a massive population. It's a matter of time until this tech starts getting widely exported to traditionally "democratic" territories. Being an autocrat is easier than it's ever been. We already see fascist governments popping up all over the world.

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UrbanGhost114 t1_iw3vlvi wrote

UK should always be in that list as well.

Don't know why people don't talk about surveillance in the UK anymore.

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anonymous-twatbox t1_iw3xaah wrote

First time I’ve heard someone say this, and I want to know more. Do you have any good articles/studies about it that you can share?

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RunAwayWithCRJ t1_iw2l8i1 wrote

> VPN providers flee India because of new data law that mandates collection of customer data

Only incoming VPN connections are subject to this. Indian citizens who want privacy can still connect to servers in other countries.

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DutchieTalking t1_iw4xc06 wrote

This will be more difficult if they extend their whitelist style of blocking.

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johntwoods t1_iw1e8k1 wrote

Seems like if this sort of thing is super important to the US they would just develop a nationwide government utility ISP 1 gig up 1 gig down and offer it at very little charge or free.

Then everyone signs up and ticks little box That states that they are able to spy to their hearts content in regards to the internet traffic.

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Benjammin_Kenobi t1_iw1kqt6 wrote

Why give people free internet when you can literally make everyone else pay for it, pay taxes on it, and still monitor it?

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FjorgVanDerPlorg t1_iw1pu7x wrote

Yup, along with: Why get a warrant for a wiretap with video and audio, when the person will buy the surveillance device themselves, then carry it around in their pocket?

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Benjammin_Kenobi t1_iw1q3ew wrote

Hell city police just use stingrays as cell phone tower intercepts and snatch it out of the air then use parallel reconstruction techniques to get the warrant with the dirty monitoring tactics.
They don't even need to use the feds.

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DearName100 t1_iw2rpsy wrote

They still need a warrant to search the device, but yeah way easier to do that then to actually have to wire tap

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DoomRide007 t1_iw1f1s5 wrote

They don’t have too, it’s built into our internet right now. In fact the gov was given backdoor keys built into them. Nice Shoes Assholes are pretty much why someone moved to Russia.

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rainofshambala t1_iw1ldx6 wrote

Tick marks is only for making you feel happy and safe, they still get what they want and do what they want.

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johntwoods t1_iw1lj7n wrote

My point is that no one will care that they are openly and legally being spied on if it means a little bit.more convenience.

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Seeker_Of_Knowledge- t1_iw1lddk wrote

If the price is below cheap, I'm super down.

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johntwoods t1_iw1lgdf wrote

I have a hunch that the VAST majority would.

Folks are willing to give up a large percentage of privacy for a very small bump in convenience.

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FnWaySheGoes89 t1_iw1g4jf wrote

Yea pretty sure every government spies on not only its own citizens but those in other countries too. This isn’t new lol

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Pontus_Pilates t1_iw1k5mr wrote

That's a great attempt to say the Indian government is not doing anything unusual.

Just because most countries have some intelligence capabilities doesn't mean they are all equal. Not every country is watching its citizens in real time straight from the ISP, without even needing to ask for access.

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Azraelontheroof t1_iw25yw6 wrote

I think Snowden proved that most countries from the US to Europe are. It is a certainty that countries such as China and North Korea do and even countries such as Australia are involved in surveillance of their own people and others. You are right that it should not be trivialised but you are wrong if you think that this development in unique as it means that they have won the information war.

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listentothelynx t1_iw2fsgn wrote

Australia also doesn’t have a bill of rights in its federal constitution

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RedOrchestra137 t1_iw2k32e wrote

real time monitoring would mean the device is sending out a constant stream of video/audio data. i'd think this is something people can notice pretty quickly if they keep an eye on their network traffic. also, to get a device into a state where it does this, it would need to be hacked into already, or come with pre installed spyware. you're not getting video data from someone just browsing the web. and besides, if they're using an encrypted protocol the isp will only be able to tell the websites they've been visiting, unless they can somehow get a hold of the encryption key for that session.

what they could do, is restrict access to sites using ssl encryption, so they are forced to use an unencrypted protocol and then they'd be able to see everything that gets sent back and forth, but that seems like a lot hassle for some info about the average citizen. if they are suspicious and start targetting individuals though, then i think it becomes very hard to stop it, cause they can start attaching spyware to replies from the isp and everything probably. this is why you don't want your government to collaborate with isp's. as an average citizen though, i wouldn't worry about it too much. maybe use a good and trusted vpn server, but otherwise it's not worth losing sleep over.

i say that only cause it's gotten really bad for me in the past, but now it just feels like i wasted a lot of time on something that most likely won't have any real impact on my life anyway.

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YaAbsolyutnoNikto t1_iw1yf4y wrote

r/whataboutism

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786swt t1_iw2a3z2 wrote

"that's whataboutism dude"

murderer to burglar when he points out how he is literally killing a person, which is so much worse than stealing a couch.

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Fantastic-Bus-8728 t1_iw1h3j2 wrote

Yeap each country has its own security and defence and always likes to know more about other countries inside information through these kinda spying software so that each country makes sure they are ahead of others in ways

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jugosIoven t1_iw2cwi0 wrote

It’s funny how India is going to great lengths to monitor Internet yet police are corrupt AF they can’t even shut down a scam call centre

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warp-speed-dammit t1_iw3rcxl wrote

> they can’t even shut down a scam call centre

What makes you think they wanna? They're probably getting a nice cut of the profit

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jugosIoven t1_iw3ryso wrote

I have no doubt they are, which I suppose if you’re gonna be a terrorist in India, make sure you bribe the police.

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RequirementInitial72 t1_iw3zkuo wrote

The intelligence agencies in India such as RAW, IB, take terrorism threats pretty seriously in India

It's not the local police handling such issues.

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jugosIoven t1_iw5xzfq wrote

If they take terrorism seriously, then why are they not shutting down these illegal call centres after all these call centres have a lot of revenue which isn’t reported to taxation authorities making it a perfect way to fund terrorism.

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RequirementInitial72 t1_iw6vdjq wrote

Because there is a difference between scamming and terrorism.

These people bcoz of joblessness work in the scam call center.

The heads of these scam call centers would be donating to political campaigns.

It's organised crime BUT is no way terrorism.

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jugosIoven t1_iw8id91 wrote

How do you know where the money is going? Some money could be going to support terrorism as mentioned by APG

This is too lucrative market especially in a country where police don’t give a fuck, for the terrorists not to be into.

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RNAKP t1_iw1fo7q wrote

Why aren’t they doing anything about call centers

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Dragroundfly t1_iw1irku wrote

Pretty sure with the number of people they scammed you could bring a strong case at the IHRC for India’s failure of taking appropriate measures to curb the phenomenon.

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c4nchyscksforlife t1_iw22acg wrote

bro really think scamming is as important as genocide

its thievery, there's no actual HRV happening here lmao

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rainofshambala t1_iw1l8t3 wrote

The international court of justice is a part of the neoliberal economic system and India is a pretty big player in the world market so nothing will happen unless India misbehaves. In the scale of things that's small fry, or the cost of doing business.

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Dragroundfly t1_iw1lpjd wrote

In international law, failure to prevent reprehensible behaviours is a misbehaviour… Edit: it is so only if the concerned state knew about the reprehensible behaviour and did not do anything to put an end to it.

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Dragroundfly t1_iw1m35u wrote

Also, what money questions have to do with the ICJ? I am speaking international law, not politics or economic

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gr1m__reaper t1_iw1ktk1 wrote

Call centres amount to around $1Bn yearly revenue. It is literally pocket change for a country of that size.

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temporarilyyours t1_iw2zkeu wrote

Honestly, with the amount of money involved in a typical scam Center, there is definitely some involvement or interest of local politicians involved.

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AutomagicallyAwesome t1_iw1mj1y wrote

This just feels like fear mongering to sell VPN subscriptions.

Unless India is running some huge man in the middle attack on HTTPS certificates then it's not technically possible for a government to spy on you without cooperation from whatever site you're using. It's really only DNS lookups that are unencrypted in normal web browsing.

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Suspicious-Safety679 t1_iw1urb7 wrote

Exactly!

I believe some totalitarian states require installation of a state certificate. Without this control, it's not much you can "see", unless you have access to both ends.

As for DNS, it's easy to set up free secure DNS up on your router and phone. Of course that means you should trust that DNS provider more than your ISPs.

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RequirementInitial72 t1_iw406sq wrote

Why ?

If ISPs cooperate why should this be an issue.

Maybe not realtime but logs can provide all relevant info

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BumpyRocketFrog t1_iw4wm64 wrote

Technically ISPs can still see what sites you are going to - as they can see the IP addresses that you are connecting to; they just can’t see what you were doing on that site.

Additionally, if you are using your ISPs DNS server in your router or pc … every time your browser does a dns lookup you are telling the DNS server what site you are going to.

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trevaaar t1_iw6ltmh wrote

SNI is also not encrypted in most cases, so an ISP could still see what domains you're connecting to even if you're using encrypted third party DNS.

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CyberAsura t1_iw1hf10 wrote

Just like the rest of the gov in the world. Why are we surprised? Every country has its own mass surveillance program.

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Koffeekage t1_iw1hx3d wrote

Only the Indian government?

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goodolddaysare-today t1_iw1jgix wrote

Every government can and does.

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spini1337 t1_iw1ve5w wrote

Care to elaborate how? On unencrypted traffic, sure, but I’d be curious to see what you have on how governments spy on encrypted traffic (like every modern website) let alone VPN connections?

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786swt t1_iw2aanz wrote

Hi, secret agent here, your porn history is disgusting... yes we can see you in realtime too.

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JitterySuperCoffee t1_iw2iajr wrote

VPN’s can and have complied with law enforcement to find crooks. There are more ways to track a person than just the paper trail you leave. If the law is on your trail there is a high probability that they will find something, if not everything given enough time.

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Altruistic-Ad-2736 t1_iw2c4re wrote

I guess, they just need the MAC adress. And since your Computer/mobile is linked with your wifi/internet, they can spy you in realtime if they want :/

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Lanthemandragoran t1_iw1erc2 wrote

This sort of thing is nothing new. I used to work with a company called Bluecoat that straight up cracks SSL by becoming a RCA. If they use something like that with the cooperation of ISPs and the government itself it's grossly easy. Pretty sure that company is on a like UN human rights watch list lol.

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saltedgig t1_iw1ie6f wrote

what so what they are doing to this scammers. milking them?

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SIMPLYadumb t1_iw2hxpx wrote

It seems to me like a worldwide revolution is in the making. All the dominos are lining up. I just wonder how long it will take and how many lives will be lost.

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[deleted] t1_iw4k5mu wrote

Largest democracy is also one of the most corrupted countries in the world.

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fudgy_brownies t1_iw1kq8n wrote

A few more news articles to put this in context:

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muhash14 t1_iw1latt wrote

I feel like this coming from a website selling VPN's is just slightly targeted lol

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IsIndianStereotype t1_iw1nj26 wrote

Govt officials are probably too lazy to buy VPNs to watch porn. Just spy on Indian users real time and jackoff 😎

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PigetonMcNumbeg1986 t1_iw1y6fs wrote

Does a VPN really hide ur traffic from an ISP though?

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quick_send_help t1_iw2htfk wrote

Yes. Provided there are no DNS leaks your data traverses an encrypted tunnel and decrypted at the VPN provider.

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Zkenny13 t1_iw1k7he wrote

So can every other country...

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alarsonious t1_iw1ll76 wrote

So yeah...when you are using your VPN...they see you...

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Tdabp t1_iw23oyz wrote

The US has been doing it for decades.

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Noob313373 t1_iw259a5 wrote

Letter agency can do too

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aptom203 t1_iw2b2ac wrote

Same in the UK, investigative powers act passed in 2016 giving police almost unlimited powers to monitor Internet traffic

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boli99 t1_iw2f4f1 wrote

thankyou for the advert from a vpn company teaching us how we need to use a vpn

tune in tomorrow to find an advert from a paint company teaching us how unpainted things are bad

and on monday our lead story will examine how a water company claims that you should always be carrying water around with you in a little plastic bottle - for your health.

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redosabe t1_iw2i5nm wrote

So can American.....

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Toad32 t1_iw2o7rl wrote

The Indian government allows scam call centers to take up huge amounts of building space in major cities - India makes money directly from the scam centers.

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Stunning_Delay9811 t1_iw3ffgy wrote

So the Indian Government actually holds the bag for all the hackers and scammers that emanate from it's borders.

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Achillor22 t1_iw3qm9p wrote

I hate to break it to you but I bet a ton of governments can do this including yours.

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aspiring_dev1 t1_iw3svo3 wrote

Yet those shitty call centres scamming people and youtubers doing more to fight them.

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charavaka t1_iw4o3l7 wrote

Can? Does. And what's worse is it hands the data over to foreign private players.

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project23 t1_iw56la4 wrote

All I can say is I'm sorry to the poor fucker who has to watch my ... extended... waste of time I spend on the internet.

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LiberalFartsMajor t1_iw1j6cq wrote

All the governments can do this, and the search engines too.

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Ok-Butterscotch5761 t1_iw1kwqi wrote

It’s literally in the Microsoft bios on that version of windows.

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buttsmcfatts t1_iw1kz9b wrote

So can the American government.

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Comet_Empire t1_iw2rv4v wrote

So they finally caught up to China, Russia, U S.A., U.K., France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Iran, etc.....

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shadowdash66 t1_iw1k7vj wrote

They can, but do they? They have more cyber crimes than some countries combined and their task force isn't exactly able to keep up with them.

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CoffeeFox t1_iw1ty75 wrote

The people who own the biggest scam operations seem to know what authorities they need to bribe to ensure that they are left alone. In some cases, they might be one of the top contributors to a local economy and police are not going to fuck with companies that bring a sudden upswell of prosperity to their city, especially if they're taking bribes from them.

It seems as though someone has to fuck up and get the CBI (India's central law enforcement body, equivalent to the FBI) involved before they can reliably get their criminal enterprise stomped.

Between the bribes and simply bringing a sudden upswell of imported money to local economies, a lot of scam operations seemingly manage to get tacit immunity from their local law enforcement.

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shadowdash66 t1_iw3l3ua wrote

Seen this one too many times out Kolkata for example. Cyber crime is reported but rarely followed up because they have to do their own investigations,or the authorities are bribed. Not sure why i got downvoted since this is irrefutable.

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Jacern t1_iw1lthe wrote

This is just an ad for a VPN website

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Mr_Brunner2 t1_iw1n08b wrote

Omg Hi Gromint agent

I sure hope they happy looking through my depressed ass

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shotwideopen t1_iw21scw wrote

Fix your scammer pools, India

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786swt t1_iw2a8h5 wrote

India promises to fix this issue if the entire world can go 10 years without saying a single racist thing about Indians.

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shotwideopen t1_iw2wstk wrote

I’d like to see Indians say less racist things about other Indians.

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786swt t1_iw2xh16 wrote

>entire world

most educated westoid

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shotwideopen t1_iw2yl9v wrote

Yes, it is a bit redundant

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786swt t1_iw2z4jn wrote

>Yes, it is a bit redundant

Just like the idiotic notion of westerners that India exists to serve to their whims and demands.

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shotwideopen t1_iw3045f wrote

I suppose it is unfair to expect another nation to manage a substantially disproportionate amount of financial crimes it’s population inflicts on the rest of the world. /s

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786swt t1_iw3433c wrote

>disproportionate amount of financial crimes it’s population inflicts

how to tell you are a racist piece of shit without making it obvious.

India has 18% of all humans, but only makes for 3% of all "online financial crimes" trailing wayyyy behind Europe, North Africa and America which have significantly less population in comparison (excluding china)

The only reason you have this stereotype is because it's easy bait content for racist westoids like you who have already made up their minds to hate brown skin people and are actively looking for the slightest reason to give justification for your shitty prejudices. Statistically you are more likely to be a scammer than an indian.

So, go eat a giant bag of dicks you fucking criminal scum.

You stole so much from us for generations and centuries. But you are so incompetent that you've blown out most of it in just two fucking generation without us.

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shotwideopen t1_iw3iptf wrote

Nailed it, 100%. It’s only a few billion dollars annually that scammers in India steal from their victims abroad. Their victims are most likely uneducated racists who deserve it anyway, and that makes it ok. I like how you point out that hating scammers is the same as hating brown skin people because scammers come from countries like India, so hating scammers is actually really racist even tho scammers in India are scamming and stealing from other Indians the most. /s

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lurq_king t1_iw1d5xd wrote

But how will this help with our long distance customer support and political influencing campaigns.

/s

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