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lurq_king t1_iw1d5xd wrote

But how will this help with our long distance customer support and political influencing campaigns.

/s

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johntwoods t1_iw1e8k1 wrote

Seems like if this sort of thing is super important to the US they would just develop a nationwide government utility ISP 1 gig up 1 gig down and offer it at very little charge or free.

Then everyone signs up and ticks little box That states that they are able to spy to their hearts content in regards to the internet traffic.

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Lanthemandragoran t1_iw1erc2 wrote

This sort of thing is nothing new. I used to work with a company called Bluecoat that straight up cracks SSL by becoming a RCA. If they use something like that with the cooperation of ISPs and the government itself it's grossly easy. Pretty sure that company is on a like UN human rights watch list lol.

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DoomRide007 t1_iw1f1s5 wrote

Replying to johntwoods (#507,645)

They don’t have too, it’s built into our internet right now. In fact the gov was given backdoor keys built into them. Nice Shoes Assholes are pretty much why someone moved to Russia.

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RNAKP t1_iw1fo7q wrote

Why aren’t they doing anything about call centers

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FnWaySheGoes89 t1_iw1g4jf wrote

Yea pretty sure every government spies on not only its own citizens but those in other countries too. This isn’t new lol

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Fantastic-Bus-8728 t1_iw1h3j2 wrote

Replying to FnWaySheGoes89 (#507,737)

Yeap each country has its own security and defence and always likes to know more about other countries inside information through these kinda spying software so that each country makes sure they are ahead of others in ways

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CyberAsura t1_iw1hf10 wrote

Just like the rest of the gov in the world. Why are we surprised? Every country has its own mass surveillance program.

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Koffeekage t1_iw1hx3d wrote

Only the Indian government?

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saltedgig t1_iw1ie6f wrote

what so what they are doing to this scammers. milking them?

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Dragroundfly t1_iw1irku wrote

Replying to RNAKP (#507,718)

Pretty sure with the number of people they scammed you could bring a strong case at the IHRC for India’s failure of taking appropriate measures to curb the phenomenon.

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LiberalFartsMajor t1_iw1j6cq wrote

All the governments can do this, and the search engines too.

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healthychad t1_iw1jnl2 wrote

WOW ANOTHER REASON TO NEVER LIVE IN INDIA

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Pontus_Pilates t1_iw1k5mr wrote

Replying to FnWaySheGoes89 (#507,737)

That's a great attempt to say the Indian government is not doing anything unusual.

Just because most countries have some intelligence capabilities doesn't mean they are all equal. Not every country is watching its citizens in real time straight from the ISP, without even needing to ask for access.

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Zkenny13 t1_iw1k7he wrote

So can every other country...

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shadowdash66 t1_iw1k7vj wrote

They can, but do they? They have more cyber crimes than some countries combined and their task force isn't exactly able to keep up with them.

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fudgy_brownies t1_iw1kq8n wrote

A few more news articles to put this in context:

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Ok-Butterscotch5761 t1_iw1kwqi wrote

It’s literally in the Microsoft bios on that version of windows.

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rainofshambala t1_iw1l8t3 wrote

Replying to Dragroundfly (#507,869)

The international court of justice is a part of the neoliberal economic system and India is a pretty big player in the world market so nothing will happen unless India misbehaves. In the scale of things that's small fry, or the cost of doing business.

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muhash14 t1_iw1latt wrote

I feel like this coming from a website selling VPN's is just slightly targeted lol

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alarsonious t1_iw1ll76 wrote

So yeah...when you are using your VPN...they see you...

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Dragroundfly t1_iw1lpjd wrote

Replying to rainofshambala (#507,996)

In international law, failure to prevent reprehensible behaviours is a misbehaviour… Edit: it is so only if the concerned state knew about the reprehensible behaviour and did not do anything to put an end to it.

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Jacern t1_iw1lthe wrote

This is just an ad for a VPN website

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AutomagicallyAwesome t1_iw1mj1y wrote

This just feels like fear mongering to sell VPN subscriptions.

Unless India is running some huge man in the middle attack on HTTPS certificates then it's not technically possible for a government to spy on you without cooperation from whatever site you're using. It's really only DNS lookups that are unencrypted in normal web browsing.

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fudgy_brownies t1_iw1mkxg wrote

Other news headlines from India (please check the previous comment in my profile for sources):

  • VPN providers flee India because of new data law that mandates collection of customer data

  • Govt proposes law to intercept encrypted messages on WhatsApp, Signal etc. Signal Says It Will Exit India Rather Than Compromise Its Encryption

  • India sets up panel with veto power over social media content moderation

  • Indian ISPs: We already give govt full access to web traffic

  • India apparently purchased and used Pegasus against prominent journalists and senior politicians

  • India ranks #1 in the world in terms of number of internet shutdows. Internet and phone services are shut down to quell protests.

  • Youtube channels and social media channels are regularly blocked for spreading "fake news". No transparency why or what gets blocked.

  • Thousands of websites blocked every year by the IT Ministry.

  • Almost all top p0rn websites are blocked in India (total list ~900)

  • In J&K, India experimented with a whitelist of allowed websites (not a blacklist, a whitelist, everything else is blocked)

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Mr_Brunner2 t1_iw1n08b wrote

Omg Hi Gromint agent

I sure hope they happy looking through my depressed ass

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IsIndianStereotype t1_iw1nj26 wrote

Govt officials are probably too lazy to buy VPNs to watch porn. Just spy on Indian users real time and jackoff 😎

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Benjammin_Kenobi t1_iw1q3ew wrote

Replying to FjorgVanDerPlorg (#508,206)

Hell city police just use stingrays as cell phone tower intercepts and snatch it out of the air then use parallel reconstruction techniques to get the warrant with the dirty monitoring tactics.
They don't even need to use the feds.

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CoffeeFox t1_iw1ty75 wrote

Replying to shadowdash66 (#507,931)

The people who own the biggest scam operations seem to know what authorities they need to bribe to ensure that they are left alone. In some cases, they might be one of the top contributors to a local economy and police are not going to fuck with companies that bring a sudden upswell of prosperity to their city, especially if they're taking bribes from them.

It seems as though someone has to fuck up and get the CBI (India's central law enforcement body, equivalent to the FBI) involved before they can reliably get their criminal enterprise stomped.

Between the bribes and simply bringing a sudden upswell of imported money to local economies, a lot of scam operations seemingly manage to get tacit immunity from their local law enforcement.

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Suspicious-Safety679 t1_iw1urb7 wrote

Replying to AutomagicallyAwesome (#508,046)

Exactly!

I believe some totalitarian states require installation of a state certificate. Without this control, it's not much you can "see", unless you have access to both ends.

As for DNS, it's easy to set up free secure DNS up on your router and phone. Of course that means you should trust that DNS provider more than your ISPs.

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shotwideopen t1_iw21scw wrote

Fix your scammer pools, India

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Tdabp t1_iw23oyz wrote

The US has been doing it for decades.

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Azraelontheroof t1_iw25yw6 wrote

Replying to Pontus_Pilates (#507,928)

I think Snowden proved that most countries from the US to Europe are. It is a certainty that countries such as China and North Korea do and even countries such as Australia are involved in surveillance of their own people and others. You are right that it should not be trivialised but you are wrong if you think that this development in unique as it means that they have won the information war.

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aptom203 t1_iw2b2ac wrote

Same in the UK, investigative powers act passed in 2016 giving police almost unlimited powers to monitor Internet traffic

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jugosIoven t1_iw2cwi0 wrote

It’s funny how India is going to great lengths to monitor Internet yet police are corrupt AF they can’t even shut down a scam call centre

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boli99 t1_iw2f4f1 wrote

thankyou for the advert from a vpn company teaching us how we need to use a vpn

tune in tomorrow to find an advert from a paint company teaching us how unpainted things are bad

and on monday our lead story will examine how a water company claims that you should always be carrying water around with you in a little plastic bottle - for your health.

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SIMPLYadumb t1_iw2hxpx wrote

It seems to me like a worldwide revolution is in the making. All the dominos are lining up. I just wonder how long it will take and how many lives will be lost.

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redosabe t1_iw2i5nm wrote

So can American.....

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JitterySuperCoffee t1_iw2iajr wrote

Replying to spini1337 (#508,438)

VPN’s can and have complied with law enforcement to find crooks. There are more ways to track a person than just the paper trail you leave. If the law is on your trail there is a high probability that they will find something, if not everything given enough time.

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RedOrchestra137 t1_iw2k32e wrote

Replying to Pontus_Pilates (#507,928)

real time monitoring would mean the device is sending out a constant stream of video/audio data. i'd think this is something people can notice pretty quickly if they keep an eye on their network traffic. also, to get a device into a state where it does this, it would need to be hacked into already, or come with pre installed spyware. you're not getting video data from someone just browsing the web. and besides, if they're using an encrypted protocol the isp will only be able to tell the websites they've been visiting, unless they can somehow get a hold of the encryption key for that session.

what they could do, is restrict access to sites using ssl encryption, so they are forced to use an unencrypted protocol and then they'd be able to see everything that gets sent back and forth, but that seems like a lot hassle for some info about the average citizen. if they are suspicious and start targetting individuals though, then i think it becomes very hard to stop it, cause they can start attaching spyware to replies from the isp and everything probably. this is why you don't want your government to collaborate with isp's. as an average citizen though, i wouldn't worry about it too much. maybe use a good and trusted vpn server, but otherwise it's not worth losing sleep over.

i say that only cause it's gotten really bad for me in the past, but now it just feels like i wasted a lot of time on something that most likely won't have any real impact on my life anyway.

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RunAwayWithCRJ t1_iw2l8i1 wrote

Replying to fudgy_brownies (#508,048)

> VPN providers flee India because of new data law that mandates collection of customer data

Only incoming VPN connections are subject to this. Indian citizens who want privacy can still connect to servers in other countries.

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Toad32 t1_iw2o7rl wrote

The Indian government allows scam call centers to take up huge amounts of building space in major cities - India makes money directly from the scam centers.

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__DraGooN_ t1_iw2qem8 wrote

Replying to GOR098 (#509,095)

If you read the article, this was started by the previous government. And Congress or any other political party for that matter have no problems with censorship and spying. All the political parties, including BJP are in the same boat.

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Comet_Empire t1_iw2rv4v wrote

So they finally caught up to China, Russia, U S.A., U.K., France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Iran, etc.....

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summingly t1_iw2z0mj wrote

Replying to __DraGooN_ (#510,130)

Yeah, everything bad was started by the Congress, and BJP had to toe this line helplessly. And everything good was begun in 2014

I really hope hope they retain power for years.

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shotwideopen t1_iw3045f wrote

Replying to 786swt (#510,663)

I suppose it is unfair to expect another nation to manage a substantially disproportionate amount of financial crimes it’s population inflicts on the rest of the world. /s

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786swt t1_iw3433c wrote

Replying to shotwideopen (#510,714)

>disproportionate amount of financial crimes it’s population inflicts

how to tell you are a racist piece of shit without making it obvious.

India has 18% of all humans, but only makes for 3% of all "online financial crimes" trailing wayyyy behind Europe, North Africa and America which have significantly less population in comparison (excluding china)

The only reason you have this stereotype is because it's easy bait content for racist westoids like you who have already made up their minds to hate brown skin people and are actively looking for the slightest reason to give justification for your shitty prejudices. Statistically you are more likely to be a scammer than an indian.

So, go eat a giant bag of dicks you fucking criminal scum.

You stole so much from us for generations and centuries. But you are so incompetent that you've blown out most of it in just two fucking generation without us.

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Stunning_Delay9811 t1_iw3ffgy wrote

So the Indian Government actually holds the bag for all the hackers and scammers that emanate from it's borders.

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shotwideopen t1_iw3iptf wrote

Replying to 786swt (#510,939)

Nailed it, 100%. It’s only a few billion dollars annually that scammers in India steal from their victims abroad. Their victims are most likely uneducated racists who deserve it anyway, and that makes it ok. I like how you point out that hating scammers is the same as hating brown skin people because scammers come from countries like India, so hating scammers is actually really racist even tho scammers in India are scamming and stealing from other Indians the most. /s

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shadowdash66 t1_iw3l3ua wrote

Replying to CoffeeFox (#508,379)

Seen this one too many times out Kolkata for example. Cyber crime is reported but rarely followed up because they have to do their own investigations,or the authorities are bribed. Not sure why i got downvoted since this is irrefutable.

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Achillor22 t1_iw3qm9p wrote

I hate to break it to you but I bet a ton of governments can do this including yours.

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nagonjin t1_iw3s8rn wrote

Replying to MasterElf425900 (#508,555)

Something I've worried about for a long time - China, India, even the US are proving the efficacy of surveillance technology, even with a massive population. It's a matter of time until this tech starts getting widely exported to traditionally "democratic" territories. Being an autocrat is easier than it's ever been. We already see fascist governments popping up all over the world.

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aspiring_dev1 t1_iw3svo3 wrote

Yet those shitty call centres scamming people and youtubers doing more to fight them.

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[deleted] t1_iw4k5mu wrote

Largest democracy is also one of the most corrupted countries in the world.

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charavaka t1_iw4o3l7 wrote

Can? Does. And what's worse is it hands the data over to foreign private players.

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BumpyRocketFrog t1_iw4wm64 wrote

Replying to AutomagicallyAwesome (#508,046)

Technically ISPs can still see what sites you are going to - as they can see the IP addresses that you are connecting to; they just can’t see what you were doing on that site.

Additionally, if you are using your ISPs DNS server in your router or pc … every time your browser does a dns lookup you are telling the DNS server what site you are going to.

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project23 t1_iw56la4 wrote

All I can say is I'm sorry to the poor fucker who has to watch my ... extended... waste of time I spend on the internet.

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jugosIoven t1_iw5xzfq wrote

Replying to RequirementInitial72 (#512,538)

If they take terrorism seriously, then why are they not shutting down these illegal call centres after all these call centres have a lot of revenue which isn’t reported to taxation authorities making it a perfect way to fund terrorism.

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RequirementInitial72 t1_iw6vdjq wrote

Replying to jugosIoven (#516,264)

Because there is a difference between scamming and terrorism.

These people bcoz of joblessness work in the scam call center.

The heads of these scam call centers would be donating to political campaigns.

It's organised crime BUT is no way terrorism.

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jugosIoven t1_iw8id91 wrote

Replying to RequirementInitial72 (#517,656)

How do you know where the money is going? Some money could be going to support terrorism as mentioned by APG

This is too lucrative market especially in a country where police don’t give a fuck, for the terrorists not to be into.

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