This. The only difference is the Heshamites typically ruled in Iraq and the Hejaz and have nothing to do with this particular geographic region of the Middle East.

Brother what the hell you on rn? And what’s it called lmao

You uhhh know Israel wanted to disengage from the conflict multiple times, tried to give land back to Jordan, literally pulled out of varying areas? When they did that the surrounding neighbors that tell idiots in the west that Israel is keeping the Palestinians down either barred Palestinian refugees or marked them as second class citizens without the privileges of certain professions and benefits. The other nations surrounding them want it to keep going as it means a preoccupied and weaker Israel. There’s a reason the other border states don’t want to create a porous border for the Palestinians and came up with the idea of right of return to a nation of Palestine that didn’t exist prior. It allows them to funnel weaponry, money, and propaganda to extend the conflict without taking on responsibilities. You think Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc give a fuck about Palestinians? No. They have so much at their disposal and have had so many options to do literally any better than they did. Instead they stole the flames and throw Palestinian youth at the meat grinder.

Sounds like you don’t even know what the second intifada is ??

You know Jordan could have just taken the West Bank back? But they don’t want refugees they just want the status quo. You know Egypt could VASTLY do so much more as a bordering state given the absence of security risk… except they keep the border insultingly locked and tell everyone it’s the jews. The Palestinians’ other regional neighbors do not give a flying fuck about them and are very aware of how little sense the claim to Israel’s land makes. But if it gets Palestinians to kill themselves trying to kill Israelites then that’s a win for them because it further strains Israel’s resources as well as international image.

I genuinely do not understand how people can come to such strong opinions and conclusions without taking the time to read up on the matter when what’s at stake is literal human lives and suffering. What do you want Israel to do? Their offer for separate states was rejected, they pulled out and let their guard down which was met with the second intifada, and they have asked Jordan to literally take some of the area to help. The Palestinians neighbors that they are told are their brothers shut them in and give them weapons and funding under the condition that they attack Israel. It’s just sad

Because in the new world order noted multilateral institution rules enjoyers Russia and China will approve Israel “liquidating” the Palestinians? Or did you mean something else?

Honestly can’t think of a new world order where the likely outcome is Palestinians getting better treatment.

Don’t get why the downvotes. These are facts.

Ah yes, building settlements is now genocide.

Palestine is one of the world's fastest growing populations, you may call settlement building 'genocide', but it's almost as effective a form of genocide as charities. Settlement industries are overwhelmingly filled with Palestinians. About a third of all Palestinians work in Israeli settlements or industries.

So, sure, somehow building settlements and stimulating the Palestinian economy (though that isn't their goal, obviously) is genocide. I'm sure another 30 years of settlement building and unsustainable Palestinian population growth will fulfill the Zionist agenda... which is...?

He did do it almost thirty years ago when he authorized the first settlements. The intent is to effectively colonize large parts of the west bank to the point that once any formal negotiation over border lines happens the Palestinians and the rest of the world won’t have any real choice but to just accept a redrawn boundary.

He means war between Palestine and Israel, not war between Jordan and Israel. Jordan will never war with Israel again and you outlined the reasons why.

But you should add in that: war may also expose king of Jordan as being a national loser and fraud. He'll avoid war forever by result, there's nothing to gain.

Peace with Saudi Arabia probably exists under the table now. Only thing a treaty would do is announce it louder.

> and give it to the House of Saud in exchange for peace

I've been following Israeli politics my whole life and never even considered that a possibility until you posted it, what a novel concept

He doesn't need to appeal to "his base" he's not a politician, he's a monarch.

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Regardless subtract 50 years of secular sense and rationality from west, you'll get middle east.

It's been socially coded as a left-wing issue.

Various forms of nationalism and religion don't have a natural coding. Nationalism of all kinds is just as easily coded as a right-wing concept and Islam was, prior to 9/11, hotly contested in the US between left and right, whether it was right- or left-wing depended on whether you were emphasizing Muslims as outsiders or as staunch social conservatives.

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Well, from an American perspective, this is sectarian horseshit that has little place in polite conversation, let alone governance.

In a just world, this would have been resolved as all sides died of shame.

you need to quit with the moonshine, or otherwise leave /r/worldnews for /r/conspiracy

I can find Americans that want to militarily conquer and annex the whole of Europe, that doesn't mean America or Americans want to conquer Europe.

> it's is against rabbinical law.

I don't know where you heard it, but this is wrong. The Temple Mount is a large complex and the school of thought that the Holy of Holies could've been anywhere on it is fringe. There are countless places to worship that are considered safe.

More people think the Dome of the Rock is where the Holy of Holies stood (and that's controversial) than people who think it could've been anywhere. Israeli governments in the past have amplified these voices in order to convince mostly secular Jews who didn't know better to not go to the Temple Mount as tourists. Those who actually might be interested in praying understand the situation.

The Jewish religious disagreements are basically about entering certain places on the Mount, prayer has nothing to do with it and it's not Jews who commit or threaten violence in response. The Waqf wouldn't have the run of the place if these rules were enforced.

That’s just really not true. At best it’s a misunderstanding of existing context born from ignorance

Muslims and other non-Jews are allowed to pray at the Western Wall. That arson attack is often blamed on Jews(as usual) but was not even done by one. Israeli police and the Jordanian Waqf have been preventing Jews from praying on the Temple Mount, bringing religious paraphernalia etc. And you are making excuses.

Omg a wild unaware propaganda feaster

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Yup he's right up there with the big boys. The only difference being his country is small.

Netanyahu is not a right-wing extremist. Israel is a parliamentary democracy, so parties must create coalitions that encapsulate as many parties as needed to take a majority of parliament.

Netanyahu is being boycotted by his traditional partners, the center & center-right.His partners are the religious parties (which aren't politically right or left, they are socially right) and the far right parties (which are politically hard right and socially not necessarily left or right--usually left).

So the problem is Netanyahu is selling out the country by creating a government consisting entirely of political fringes of society (except the Arab parties) + Likud, which is a center-right party. As far as politics go, it is equivalent to the Democrats in policy. Parties to the left of him are simply much more left than the Democrats.

Netanyahu isn't considered extreme. It's his current coalition partners who are well known extremists. This is due to other big parties refusing to form a coalition with him (stating his ongoing criminal court cases)