Submitted by nah_just_ocd t3_z815dy in personalfinance

So, I'm mortified to share this, but I can't see a way out of my drowning debt and need to ask for help and guidance.

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I'm 31, living in the SF Bay Area.

I make objectively "good money" and take home about $2800 per paycheck. (~5600/mo)

However, I have about 90k in credit card debt accumulated over many years. Mostly on 3 credit cards.

There's a lot of reasons for the amount of debt; some valid, some not and I'm utterly ashamed it's gotten this bad. I'm having panic attacks every day thinking about it.

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I've tried looking at credit card loans to help reduce the payment amounts, but I can't even get one since I get declined. I'm not sure how I can reduce the monthly payment amounts, but they are crushing me completely.

Are there any options out there to help drop the payment amounts even a little?

Not even sure where to start, TBH. Please help šŸ˜­

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TywinShitsGold t1_iy95uur wrote

Start with a budget: all your income. All your expenses.

Download everything from your banks and credit cards for the last 3 months to excel and sort it into a ledger. Figure out where money is going.

Sort expenses into categories: rent, utilities, subscriptions, necessary food, unnecessary food, entertainment, misc.

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Scr0bD0b t1_iy97qle wrote

Exactly. No point in looking into consolidation type options (whether it be a personal loan, which 90K is might not even be approved, or otherwise) if you're just going to default on it anyways because you have no idea how to budget or manage expenses.

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inoen0thing t1_iyblkkf wrote

This is not the answer. OP is spending somewhere around 62% of income to pay interest and housing alone. This is no longer a budging situation. If OP freed up 20% of her income (i very much doubt this is possible) OP would have to spend about 40k in 12 months to clear out $1400 a month in principal on these cards.

This would put OP paying this back in 4-7 years depending on ongoing usage and bring OP to 82% of income on housing (just rent) and cc payments. This is not possible, it is not healthy and it is not budgeting, OP needs professional help from someone who specializes in bankruptcy.

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Grenachejw t1_iybs6qo wrote

Maybe but this is the first step, I used to live paycheck to paycheck until I created a budget, started exporting all transactions in to excel, learned how to create drop downs using data validation to categorize each line item, then sumif to total every group on the right, rent, groceries etc. OP biggest help is to keep rent at or below 33% of take home. So that's first step, second step op I would try to consolidate that credit card debt to a new card(s) at 0% interest for a year. Yes it will cost 3% or whatever to do so. If your credit isn't good enough for that I would call the cc companies and just say you're thinking about filing for bankruptcy, just to see if they will work with you and maybe only charge you principal, or lower interest rate. Goal is to try to get away from the 20-30% interest they're charging you. I would also pick up a 2nd job to chip away further. I think in 1 to 2 years you should have a major chunk of that paid off if you stay focused

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inoen0thing t1_iybuxz2 wrote

Having to spend 82% of your income on debt and a single expense for 4-7 years to get out of debt has no first step that is not bankruptcy or a large inheritance. If we get conservative it is 72% over 8-14 yearsā€¦. I understand paycheck to paycheck. The OP is not doing thisā€¦ they are doing this then spending 90k above income.

It is important to remember the OP is sending at the very least 26% of income on just the CC interest. So putting rent at your suggestion means they have just rent and just interest at 60% of income. Add a car, insurance, cell phone, utilities and food in the area they are in and there is nothing left. It is not possible to do this on the OPā€™s income without changing their life entirely. They will be in bankruptcy to get out of thisā€¦ they need to just do it now before they further their damage.

Sometimes the answer is not hope, spreadsheets and organization. In this case it is not and the advice of reducing rent is not sustainable. They need professional help or it will get worse. For them to do this budget overnight they would need to be very good at budgeting money to break even every check and not pay debt off. They need professional help.

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Grenachejw t1_iybxvmg wrote

I think you missed the step of getting the interest rate reduced. OP makes over $80k, takes home $73k. Reduces rent to $24k or less a year. Living expenses another $20k. That leaves around $30k left to put towards hopefully only principal after negotiating. Side Hussle Uber gig, eBay side business, maybe $1k per month additional. Share a room somewhere save another $10k a year. As I said if op is motivated to avoid bankruptcy they've got a potential $50k to throw towards a not yet negotiated debt, which could be less depending on the cc companies willingness to work with them

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inoen0thing t1_iybvs5i wrote

Also PT jobsā€¦ 1 year they would need roughly 63k to kill 1/2 the debt. 63k at PT pay = $70-$80 an hour at 20 a week (probably still not enough with taxes). Or lets give sleep up and say 2 PT jobsā€¦ now working 80 hours a week and driving to three jobsā€¦ they need two PT jobs that pay roughly triple their full time job in hourly wages. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø there is no way man. I get the optimist role butā€¦. It just isnā€™t there.

I donā€™t mean to be rude but you should not be providing financial advice online. The math doesnā€™t work out in any of your suggestions with basic survival numbers.

I would guess the OP has a car that is a little pricey, an apartment that is over what he should spend on. My numbers are done with far less than that and it has the OP barely able to eat without paying debt down.

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TywinShitsGold t1_iycjowm wrote

There is no rent payment listed in the OP

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inoen0thing t1_iycwulw wrote

$2000 pm in the bay area is a pipe dream and that is what i used ;) a little common sense can go a long way. And if Iā€™m wrong and it is under 82% of their budget on rent cc debt and utilities would be the worst inaccuracy i would have here. Someone spending 90k in cc debt over their income likely made other bad financial choices and cares about possessions, likely their apartment is above average as well so when i say the above understandā€¦. They are worse off than sharing.

If i am wrong in the other direction they are spending $2800 a month on rent and so fucked they wonā€™t even share it. Either situation = bankruptcy. OP has no other choice no matter what you say they did not say. When 1/3 of you income is gone without a bill or obligation or balance in the world being paidā€¦ you are in a lot of trouble no way around it.

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Ill_Psychology_7966 t1_iycums3 wrote

This was the answer I was looking for. OP needs to find a consumer bankruptcy lawyer. Itā€™s the only realistic option.

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[deleted] t1_iyby6uo wrote

How did you know it was a she?

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inoen0thing t1_iyczql2 wrote

Is it a she? I read a comment and assumed. I went back and had changed she to OP because i realized the same thing, i donā€™t know where i picked up she.

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jvin248 t1_iy9tafl wrote

Then trim off the tails ...

small expenditures can accumulate quietly into a massive drain: auto subscriptions like cable/phone, seemingly mild habits like Starbucks and 'smokes', make lunch from home (prior dinner leftovers are easy) not buy at work, cook at home.

On to the other end are the big ones: Rent (can you move/get a roommate), exchange the car for a cheaper car like buy used for cash, phone and phone plans I've seen some pay as much as a car payment.

What do you have around the house to sell? 'Simplify'. You will likely only get 10% of what you paid but that is penance for clearing the CC debt.

Remember: the CC debt % you carry right now will only go up with every Federal Reserve attempt at changing interest rates higher to squash inflation they created by printing cash.

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PARA9535307 t1_iyantcm wrote

As others have mentioned, you may be a good candidate for bankruptcy. But understand that you almost certainly make too much to qualify for a wipe-the-slate-clean Chapter 7, and would have to do a payment-plan-for-3-5-years Chapter 13. There are calculators online to help you get a rough idea of what that might look like.

Another path you can consider before bankruptcy is to try and work towards a one-time settlement for a % of whatā€™s owed. Credit cards companies generally wonā€™t consider making a settlement offer until theyā€™re fairly convinced that getting something, even if itā€™s just a %, is better than nothing. So understand that this plan involves you stopping making payments and getting very behind, and instead building up a cash reserve that youā€™ll eventually offer as a settlement.

Some warnings about this plan:

  1. Stopping payments on the cards will tank your credit. Likely not as hard as a full bankruptcy, but itā€™s still going to hurt. So if you need credit for something (not want, but need, like for an apartment application), get that done FIRST. Because itā€™s going to be awhile before your credit score improves.
  2. Your creditors are going to be VERY vocal about your lack of payments. There are laws about when/where/how theyā€™re allowed to contact you (research that and know your rights), but be prepared for them to chase you. Like youā€™re about to become the recipient of a LOT of phone calls, from people who are well trained in high-pressure techniques to extract money. This will NOT be comfortable. Donā€™t get drawn into long conversations and let them work you over. ā€œIā€™m sorry, I canā€™t afford a payment this month. Iā€™ll let you know if things change next month. Goodbye.ā€ And then hang up. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. You will get a lot of calls, so youā€™re going to need to get comfortable with doing this.

As for process - all those payments youā€™ve stopped making? Youā€™re going to be setting them (and however much else you can) aside into a special savings account. You donā€™t touch this savings account unless something is bleeding and on fire. Because this is your settlement fund, and settlement = freedom, so you want us grow it ASAP.

Once you save up enough in that account to offer maybe 15-25% of one of the outstanding card balances, offer that as a settlement. Some guidelines on this:

  1. Words matter, and the words are ā€œsettlement in fullā€ (no payment plans, no partial settlement, literally ā€œsettlement in fullā€)
  2. You donā€™t send them a single dime until theyā€™ve sent you that settlement agreement (ā€œ$X is settlement in full for XYZ accountā€) IN WRITING. Email, snail mail, fax, whatever. But it HAS to be in writing, otherwise they might ā€œforgetā€ the agreement (ā€œoh, Bob doesnā€™t work here anymore, we have no record of your conversationā€ type none sense) and keep on chasing you.
  3. The agreement is not just in writing, but also physically in your hands!. ā€œItā€™s in the mailā€ wonā€™t work. No money sent until itā€™s in writing, in your hands!
  4. THEN you pay them, via money order. NO personal checks, NO electronic access, or they might ā€œoopsā€ take more, and then youā€™ll have to travel to hell and back to try and claw that money back.
  5. Wash, rinse, repeat the process with the other two creditors.

Also note, this settlement negotiation process wonā€™t be as simple as ā€œIā€™m offering you 20%. Oh, cool, hereā€™s your settlement in full email precisely as you requested. Why thank you, kind sir, your cashiers check is in the mail.ā€ Nope, Not by a long shot. Collectors are often paid on commission, so theyā€™re going to spend awhile trying to convince you that youā€™re just the most terrible, horrible, no-good person ever for not agreeing to pay more than youā€™re offering. Some collectors are really scummy and will do this in truly nasty ways.

So again, combat the shenanigans by keeping these conversations short. Youā€™re on the phone longer than maybe 30-60 seconds without an agreement? Then itā€™s time to just hang up. So ā€œIā€™m offering $X as settlement in full.ā€ And if they respond with anything other than maybe a legitimately reasonable counteroffer (like ā€œI canā€™t accept $X, but how about $X + $500?), then just politely cut them off and hang up. Do not get sucked into the vortex of car-dealership-worthy high-pressure sales techniques. Just hang up, then call them back in 2-3 days and repeat your exact same offer. Rinse, repeat, until they accept. May take weeks, possibly months if theyā€™re really stubborn.

Also note, one of the most common scare tactics involved in this process is them threatening to sue you. Theyā€™ll make it sound absolutely dreadful, and like theyā€™re ready to file tomorrow. Well:

  1. This is generally a bluff, as it costs them time and money to sue, and theyā€™d much rather avoid all that. I mean, thatā€™s why the collectorā€™s job exists - to avoid dealing with the costs and hassles of attorneys and court prep and enforcing judgements. So recognize the scare tactic for what it is.
  2. Tell them, quite honestly and matter-of-factly, that theirs is by far not your only debt, and if they sue youā€™ll almost certainly get forced into bankruptcy, which could result in them getting far less or even nothing.

And if they actually do sue you (which is again, unlikely, especially if theyā€™re presented with a reasonable settlement offer), then you can evaluate bankruptcy then.

Final note: yeah this is a really, really crappy situation. I know youā€™re scared, exhausted, ashamedā€¦and I know because Iā€™ve been there. But you are FAR from alone, this CAN be fixed, and while itā€™s certainly a big hurdle to figure out, it does NOT define you. You are worthy of love and peace and respect, yes, even though you currently have a negative net worth. I mean, Iā€™m a stranger on the internet who can not only attest that itā€™s possible to come through the other end of a similar situation in one piece, but have gone on to get my finances in good shape, and have so much empathy for what youā€™re going through that I took the time to write basically the War and Peace of settlement descriptions.

So hang in there.. You are worthy. It will get better. You can absolutely make it past this and go on to great things!

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hayseed_byte t1_iyba9ns wrote

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> get better. You can absolutely make it past this and go on to great things!

I just wanted to repeat that. You are worthy. Things will get better.

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equip9mm t1_iycpadp wrote

You need awards my man. You need something better than rewards. I needed this advice last year. I needed to pay 6k and although maybe chump change it was alot of money to me i should have held fast and paid a portion but my account had been frozen and i was able to get that $ paid. They def try to get you.

More people like you on these subreddits.

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exstonerchick12 t1_iyd1fr0 wrote

This is amazing, amazing advice. Well put! I hope OP is able to follow this to a T and be rid of their drowning debt.

But I also want to share that itā€™s possible OP doesnā€™t make too much money for Chapter 7. It is definitely worth investigating with a competent BK lawyer. I make twice as much and had a simular amount of debt at one point but still qualified. The trick was finding the right lawyer. There are some very, very shady BK lawyers out there who will prey on your vulnerability, but the good ones will artfully run your numbers, charge you fairly and lift you up emotionally.

OP, 100% explore the settlement option, but donā€™t be put off by exploring bankruptcy, too. Iā€™m 5 years out with several credit cards - all but one has a $0 balance - and a credit score in the very high 700s.

You ARE worthy and it WILL get better.

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dwright1542 t1_iydf9vp wrote

Call me shocked that you can have a high 700's with a bankruptcy only 5 years ago. You must have nailed every single payment and worked on credit diligently. Kudos!

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wcshrtstop t1_iydouql wrote

6 years after my Chapter 7 closing and Iā€™ve now bought a house and Credit Score is around 730.

You are very much correct, every single payment on time or early. Extra payments, small credit card balances wiped clean monthly, etc. It is very tough but also very doable!

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exstonerchick12 t1_iydqnfd wrote

Amazing!!! Congrats on your house!

BK is a challenging road to walk down, but Iā€™m sure you agree a much better one than the sleepless nights and hair falling out that precede making the decision. I hope posting our experiences on here shows that speedyish recovery is definitely possible and relieves a bit of the stigma šŸ™

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exstonerchick12 t1_iydonm1 wrote

Thank you! And yes, it was WORK. After the 1st year I got a secured card through Capital One for $500. With good credit usage they eventually refunded my money, turned it into a ā€œrealā€ card and increased the limit. Every 6 months or so they increased it, and after about 2 years I applied for another Capital One card. Now I apply for 1 -2 new cards per year with different banks and have been approved for all with increasingly higher limits. I use them once a year for small things and pay them off immediately. I only carry a high balance for big purchases - furniture, travel, car repairs, unexpected medical - on one card with zero interest and throw buckets of money at it monthly. Which I can afford to do because Iā€™m no longer in debt!

I also have a student loan which wasnā€™t forgiven in the BK. This has undoubtedly helped me establish a solid fixed payment history. Never been late or missed a payment in 10 years.

Bankruptcy isnā€™t just about getting rid of debt. Itā€™s about a massive shift in understanding money and its psychology - particularly the psychology behind credit usage. The banks WANT you indebted - thatā€™s how they make their money.

Iā€™ve learned the hard way that cash truly is king. If I donā€™t have it I donā€™t spend it, period. Unless itā€™s an absolute emergency I have no reason to run my plastic.

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dwright1542 t1_iydra10 wrote

That's interesting. I was credit-adverse for YEARS. When I learned how to manipulate the system though, plastic became a HUGE asset. I run EVERYTHING thru it now, and accrue points. Those points have paid for Home Depot gift cards (when Amex runs the 20% off sale) plane tickets, etc.

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exstonerchick12 t1_iyerzig wrote

Credit is amazing if you know how to use it to your advantage. Good on you šŸ™Œ Personally, since I have quite a past with my cards, I canā€™t risk using them as often as someone in your position might. But Iā€™m with you on the points when you can get them. The only card I use regularly and carry a balance on is a travel points card.

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4badfish20 t1_iycot71 wrote

This is an awesome post from start to finish. Thank you for taking the time to write all this out.

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MikeWPhilly t1_iy9dsoz wrote

TimeValueofMOney posted the correct answer. At your income level I canā€™t think of a reason to not declare bankruptcy but you really need to go see a specialist in this area. Unless you somehow are living rent free I canā€™t think of a single way you will climb out of debt without doubling your income. Which is the other way to tackle this

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iya026o wrote

Declaring bankruptcy means OP can never touch credit again for 7 years. Idk if OP will find someone who they can even rent fromā€¦

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Mtskiguy21 t1_iyb1pbu wrote

My mom lost her house to foreclosure in 2013 and filed bankruptcy in 2015. She had a credit card in 2016, financed a car in 2017, and got a mortgage with a 700 credit score in 2020. It's on your credit report for 7 years, but you're not completely blacklisted from credit for that entire period.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iybi4ko wrote

Which bankruptcy?

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Mtskiguy21 t1_iybifgz wrote

I'm not sure. I don't know the difference. I just know she bounced back rather quick. Is one type worse than the other? 7 and 13 are the primary personal vehicles correct?

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WorstPapaGamer t1_iya0jpc wrote

That was my initial concern with bankruptcy. Where do you live for 7 years?

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iya19xg wrote

Yeah. I see a ton of people telling OP to declare bankruptcy. Bankruptcy is the Nuclear Option. Yours going to be hell those years.

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MikeWPhilly t1_iyaa0bz wrote

Yep no disagreement. That itā€™s nuclear. Which is why the specialist. He is at nuclear territory. his monthly interest is basically 33% of his net. Heā€™s at nuclear territory the real question is how to structure everything. I know what SF costs to live, I havenā€™t seen a budget yet but reality is I doubt he is even paying his interest per month. This means his debt is increasingā€¦.

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Upstairs_Ant3694 t1_iyacivi wrote

It really depends on a few factors. Could be hell going through bankruptcy, but it's not going to be easy paying down that debt over years and years either. Bankruptcy may be the faster route to a positive net worth.

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spoink74 t1_iyavygv wrote

7 years is not that long of a time. Bankruptcy is the answer here. Then for goodness sakes do not do it again.

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Upstairs_Ant3694 t1_iyac4ij wrote

I don't think that's exactly true. Lots of people get pre approvals for credit cards in the mail right after their bankruptcy completes. It very much depends on the situation though.

Edit: That said, OP probably shouldn't touch credit again for 7 years. Haha.

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MikeWPhilly t1_iya0f50 wrote

Yep heā€™d hav to stay put for 7 years for sure. His current landlord likely wonā€™t kick him out i he is paying on time but itā€™s a risk. But his debt ratios are so bad for his income. And the interest alone is going to kill him. There is a reason Iā€™m saying he need sto talk to a specialist. Bankruptcy has itā€™s risks but I donā€™t see him climbing out any other way.

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cloverdoodles t1_iya3bmr wrote

Statewide rent control in CA. As long as OP is in a rent controlled unit and pays his rent every month, they canā€™t kick him out. OP should have his housing locked into rent control prior to filing for bankruptcy.

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Nitesen t1_iyaae1y wrote

Doesnt the SF area have a massive homeless population? Thereā€™s always room for a tent, SOMEWHERE.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iyai23t wrote

If Op has a vehicle they can live in it.

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Nitesen t1_iyai9ev wrote

Thatā€™s the thinking! However, they might take the vehicle as part of the bankrupcy.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iyaiud7 wrote

Canā€™t take the vehicle if youā€™re living in it.

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Nitesen t1_iyaj46w wrote

Can i buy a nice house, rack up debt, file bankrupcy and live in said house because, i live in it so they cant take it? Hm.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iyakv3a wrote

Actually yes. In a Chapter 7, as long as your payments on your house are current, they canā€™t take your house. I believe Chapter 13 bankruptcies as well have these protections.

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Hfhghnfdsfg t1_iy9tn7k wrote

I was coming to say this. File for bankruptcy, and start a budget and stick to it so that you don't get into this mess again.

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ClaireHux t1_iyaymmp wrote

Bankruptcy co-sign. There ain't no way. File bankruptcy.

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dikkencider t1_iyda8v0 wrote

I ran a simulation. For daily compounding interest, which is normal for CCs, on a 22% interest rate, OP needs to pay off $2,020 per month to pay this off in 8 years. $2,020/month is not far cry from the $1,700 realistically mentioned.

Why 8 years and not 7? I put a value of an extra year as the cost of keeping their credit from not falling to the crapper instead of filing for bankruptcy. This is considering OP gets their act together and makes no more additions to OP's debt.

If OP cannot pay $2,020/month and can only pay $1,700, then another realistic scenario is to sell everything and lower the loan to $75,500 by selling everything that is not necessary for basic needs for the loan to be paid off in 8 years.

If OP cannot actually pay the $1,700 a month towards debt and lower their loan to $75,500, bankruptcy makes the most sense.

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heartattack0 t1_iy9pooc wrote

You make objectively good money, just not in the Bay area. The first step is getting that into your brain. Honestly speaking it's kind of low considering there are stories about teachers clearing north of 90k that can't afford to live near work.

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Ernie_McCracken88 t1_iya3wfa wrote

Yeah I didn't want to be a dick but I had the same take. This person could easily be spending 40-50% of take home pay on rent without going overboard in terms of space/neighborhood. If I had any capability/willingness to get out of the bay area I would, until (if) the housing situation is radically improved 60k take home just isn't enough. I was looking for my brother and 1000$/sq ft in a decent neighborhood seemed to be the norm, and this was in like 2017.

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BoomervsZoomerPPV t1_iya4x2a wrote

As someone whoā€™s lived in the bay, this is true. Itā€™s good money in a lot of places, but not in the bay. Salaries there for the most part are already adjusted.

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cardinalsfanokc t1_iyaz92r wrote

That's not even objectively good money for a place like OKC let alone the bay area.

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Xalowe t1_iydad0y wrote

$2,800 per paycheck is roughly $100-110,000 (depending on deductions) before taxes. The average household income and family income in Oklahoma City is $48,500 and $62,500, respectively. How is he not making objectively good money for Oklahoma as a single earner?

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cardinalsfanokc t1_iydcaah wrote

OP said takehome is $2800, assuming 26 paychecks that's $72k a year. It's livable, for sure, but not objectively good. I lived there, I know. It's enough to be comfortable.

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Xalowe t1_iyddc2s wrote

I think we have different definitions about what good money is. Making more take home money than the average familyā€™s gross is certainly good to me.

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cardinalsfanokc t1_iyddkak wrote

Maybe but the point is they're in the bay area and this isn't even close to good money there, even if you doubled it.

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Xalowe t1_iyde7s8 wrote

I agree - certain parts of the country feel like a different planet when it comes to cost of living. And with OPā€™s debt, theyā€™re in a tough spot.

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zerolimits0 t1_iy9nu8s wrote

It would take 16 months of your entire paycheck going to credit card payments for it to be gone.

Do yourself a favor. Cut up those cards, you don't know how to use them.

This will stop you from accumulating even more debt. Depending on your other expenses you may be looking at 4-6 years of repayment on them. I would consider bankruptcy but that should be done with more information bc again we don't know your other expenses. Assuming 20% on those credit cards you are paying 18k a year in interest alone.

I've had 12k in credit debt before and it took me like 3 years to get out of it and finally be responsible about credit use.

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i_max2k2 t1_iya1r4p wrote

Yes I feel if he can curb his habits and then consider bankruptcy, that might be the best option.

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JeepMan831 t1_iyb48mk wrote

*16 months, let's not freak out OP anymore than necessary

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zerolimits0 t1_iyb4n1a wrote

Oops I did that by paycheck not per month good catch I'll edit.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iy9zupt wrote

Since OP has about 8x that. Are we expecting 24 years?

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Raalf t1_iybf4il wrote

at 20%+ interest, it all depends on how much is put towards the debt.

At 90k, 22% interest compounded monthly, this is what it will be at 24 years to pay it off:

Payment Every Month $1,658.86

Total of 288 Payments $477,752.08

Total Interest $387,752.08

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pizzarunner t1_iy97tod wrote

If you have $90k in cc debt youā€™re clearly living beyond your means.

First step is figuring our where all your money is going. Given you live in Bay Area, a lot probably goes to housing. What else? Student Loans? Car Loans? Dining and drinking? Travel? Expensive hobbies or expensive shopping habits?

You literally need to go through line by line for a few months of spending and figure out what youā€™re spending all your money on. This wis painful and embarrassing for most people but you will never get a hold on your debt if you donā€™t know where your money is going.

Once you know where your money is going, you can make a budget so you stop accruing new debt. Itā€™s a simple formula - spend less than you make. But back to my first point, you canā€™t do that without understanding why youā€™re spending more than you make.

Once youā€™re living within your means, are no longer accruing new debt other than interest, and have a surplus in your budget, you can start paying off debt starting with the highest interest cards.

One last thought - if youā€™re spending some insane amount of your net income on housing, say 50-70% as some bay area folks seem to - and you have an option to live somewhere cheaper without losing income (remote work, in demand industry, etc) living somewhere cheaper for a while certainly wouldnā€™t hurt the equation.

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MilkCartonDandruff t1_iy9limw wrote

> living in the SF Bay Area

You officially don't make "good money".

You can penny pinch every bill and still be stressed out or you can take better measures. Move, maybe get a roommate for a few years. Meet some people that are looking to rent out a room or floor to you and meet them a few times to see if you like them enough or seem like a normal person. Sell a bunch of shit you don't use.

Also getting a higher paying job helps too. Contact recruiters to find you jobs and get interviews. Say no to dinners out and take a break from dating.

>I have about 90k in credit card debt accumulated over many years. Mostly on 3 credit cards.

Payoff card with highest interest first and pay minimum on the others. This is the cheapest way. Maybe Uber 1-3 nights if possible, if you have a car.

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FoodFarmer t1_iya8a4e wrote

Youā€™re bringing home under 70k in the Bay Area. You are in between low income and extreme low income. Bankruptcy will be your best bet, sooner you do it sooner you can rebuild. There is no way to repay 90k with whatever rates it has while earning what you do and living where you do.

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IceCreamforLunch t1_iya1r9z wrote

I'm used to responding to posts here saying that their debt doesn't warrant bankruptcy. That they need a strict budget and to knuckle down and struggle through so they never make this mistake again.

But you're 31 years old with about your annual take-home pay in high interest credit card debt. You should talk to a bankruptcy lawyer and see if it makes sense for your situation.

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RHIT_Grad_1964 t1_iy9t1ej wrote

This will probably get down voted but it will probably work.

Stop making payments on the cards, post minimum on anything small you owe. Your income is good I guess, not sure if itā€™s SF good though.

After a couple months of taking the payment money out of checking as cash, call the cards and say you canā€™t afford them, considering bankruptcy but want to pay your bills. Most of them have a department just for you. They can delete the interest and fees and agree on a payment schedule so you pay off the debt by paying maybe 40% of the loan. With your balances I doubt youā€™d have much trouble getting on these programs.

Once they all agree and you have v everything in writing, deposit the cash you saved and pay off all the smaller loans then pay the 2-5 years of bills, whatever you agreed to until your debt free.

They companies that offer debt relief use a version of this program and charge you a lot of money.

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leg_day t1_iyag4bq wrote

To be clear, this version also puts negative marks on your credit report. "Paid less than agreed" is almost as severe as bankruptcy.

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RHIT_Grad_1964 t1_iyagrrm wrote

It can. When youā€™re talking with the CCs, offer a few bucks more to get a clean payoff if needed. This isnā€™t guaranteed to save you money or not hurt your credit, but it could work.

I wouldnā€™t call this a great idea but if youā€™re swimming in debt you donā€™t have much to lose.

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patmorgan235 t1_iyahxwl wrote

If I owe the bank $1000 I have a problem, if I owe the bank $100,000 the bank has a problem

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RHIT_Grad_1964 t1_iyak64q wrote

That is basically what Iā€™ve said. Thatā€™s why the CCs will accept lower amounts will a smile and leave your credit clear.

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TheGunStays t1_iyaxplw wrote

Sure, on this one, specific debt.

But the bank/CC lender will also have the leverage to completely ruin your financial future for the next 7-10 years. The bank will likely be fine over that timeframe - trust me.

If you're like 19, bankruptcy/default may not be a terrible option. But if you're in your late 20's/early 30's, it will likely be one of the most significant events of your life - financial or otherwise.

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Upstairs_Ant3694 t1_iya8524 wrote

Despite being mortified, you still reached out for help which is a really big step in the right direction!

It's hard to give advice without a lot of details, but here are a few of my thoughts:

  • First of all, take a deep breath. This is solvable and there are multiple pathways that you can take to get on the path to a secure financial future.
  • Since you mention there's an element of shame at play and people don't tend to spend a lot of time focusing on things that bring up feelings of shame, I'm guessing you have a tendency to avoid looking at your credit card transactions. Believe me, I've been there. It's worth going over everything you've spent money on in the past few months. No need to judge yourself. What's past is past. Just get an idea of where your money has been going.
  • Put together a list of expenses you need to subsist and keep working: rent, utilities, food, phone bill, etc.
  • Take stock of all of your minimum debt payments. This would include your credit cards, but also any student loans, etc. that weren't included above.
  • Make sure you aren't paying any more than the minimum payments on all debt.

This is where more details about your situation start to really matter. If you aren't able to pay for all of your essential expenses and the minimum payments on your debt, your options are somewhat limited. I have a hunch you may be a good candidate for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Find an attorney who specializes in consumer bankruptcy and schedule a consultation. Generally the consultation is free. Bankruptcy is obviously a big move, but it's possible that it's the smartest move given where you are at the moment. An attorney can help you decide if it's right for you.

At the end of the day, the most important thing will be to assess your relationship with money and determine if there's something that needs to change. I'm willing to bet you're an intelligent person who's probably very good at convincing yourself that certain purchases are good ideas when they might not be. It may be helpful to discuss this aspect with a therapist once you get some breathing room.

In the meantime, stay strong; you're moving in the right direction and we're here for you!

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limitless__ t1_iy9cw65 wrote

Is your spending under control now or are you still using those cards?

Assuming you have the spending under control you need to look into debt consolidation loans. If you do not qualify, can you ask a parent to co-sign?

If you have no options for co-signers and can't get a loan you are going to have to work 80 hour weeks and take every cent that isn't bare essentials food, housing and transport and use it to pay off the debt.

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veganraf t1_iyb8mxv wrote

What company/bank do you think is best for these consolidation loans? Asking for a friend obviously.

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Delex31 t1_iy9ubyu wrote

File Bankruptcy. No other option here works. Then follow the advice of budget and living in your means.

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sephiroth3650 t1_iy99nxo wrote

You'd probably need to post out a breakdown of your full monthly budget (which is almost assuredly out of balance), along with each card/loan and the balance/payment/interest rate on each. It's impossible to say if debt consolidation loans, or bankruptcy, or anything else make sense w/o more info.

Otherwise, generically, cut out any expenses that you can. Consider picking up a 2nd job. Prioritize paying down the highest interest debt first.

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PhantomCamel t1_iya0mtf wrote

That is not good money for the location. Time to either move somewhere cheaper or make a lot more money and unless youā€™re a software engineer that second one is probably not a valid choice.

Look into bankruptcy. Itā€™s probably your best option.

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Revolutionary_Emu365 t1_iyabtg3 wrote

**As someone who is going/went through through a similar situation, I send empathy your way.

Youā€™re putting it all out and facing a big scary stressful thing in your life, well done.

In addition to all the other tactics mentioned in the comments here, ie go through your bank statements and lay it all out. Sort it. Make a budget.

But also, really boil down how it happened, and what that stems from? Work stress? A combo of 100 different stressors? Untreated anxiety? Adhd? You have to get to the root cause. You gotta face the demon, otherwise youā€™re just going to repeat.

I heard that thereā€™s non profit debt counseling, through this subreddit, actually. So I did a google search and found Incharge.org So I called them and laid it all out ( I have almost 20k in cc debt and I make 56k a year). They discussed my options and what would be the best fit. I needed up doing a consolidation. They negotiated with my credit card companies and Iā€™m on a single monthly payment at a much lower apr. Its not a quick fix, itā€™s going to take me 5 years to crawl out, but at least itā€™s not keeping me up at night and Iā€™m not racking up $275 a month in interest now. I also started therapy which I cannot recommend enough.

I totally understand, It isnā€™t fun, itā€™s embarrassing and it is SO stressful. It took time to get this deep in the hole, and itā€™s going to take time dig out. Be easy on yourself, youā€™re doing the best you can and you can turn this around. If I can, you can too.

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JMCrown t1_iy9pxcs wrote

I'm always surprised when people suggest a loan to pay off credit card debt. You're not doing anything with the debt; you're just shifting it somewhere else. So taking out a loan won't help at all.

You can contact your creditors and ask them to lower the interest rate, but the only thing that will get rid of this is paying it off painfully and slowly or by declaring bankruptcy. It sounds like your credit is already shot to hell anyway so bankruptcy isn't going to make it that much worse anyway.

Moving forward, you have to think of yourself as middle class and live that way. Median income in San Francisco is $55K/year so you're just above that. And that's probably much lower than what you actually need to make to feel comfortable living in SF. So I wouldn't say you're close to having "good money" for SF. After you're debt free, if you want to put towards retirement and have an emergency fund then you'll actually have to live as if you're lower middle class.

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desertsidewalks t1_iy9vltr wrote

Median HOUSEHOLD income in SF is $119,136. If she's the only member of her household, she is below median household income.

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MinistryofTruthAgent t1_iyaihfg wrote

Taking out a loan can reduce his interest over time. Yes loan consolidation doesnā€™t fix the problem but neither is drowning in 20% interest.

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januaryskyes t1_iybvnmo wrote

This is true. I did a loan consolidation for mine at 12k and I went from 21% on each card to just 8% with the loan. It DOES help.

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adcThresh t1_iyaabfu wrote

This might sound weird, but would really encourage you to start from within. Spend some time exploring your relationship with money. Whether it's through books, podcasts, YouTube videos. Your money narrative or money scripts or attitude toward money shape how you interact with it. 90% of financial decisions are emotional in some way. It's worth looking into. Dealing with debt is hard enough, you don't have to punish yourself. You can fix things and get out of debt. I know you can do it. :)

Also,

I'm not going to recommend a debt management plan because it's not right for everyone, but I've had one for the past 2 years and it works for me. All my credit cards were closed so I couldn't keep spending on them. They also were able to negotiate interest rates. They actually got me 1% interest on an account which helps big time compared to the 17+% I was paying before. I don't think I'd have been able to make progress without these 2 steps.

Look for a raise or a new job, and cut expenses in the meantime. Your current lifestyle is clearly beyond your means, your new hobby is budgeting and making extra money until you can pay them off.

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Living_Internet4924 t1_iyad3fx wrote

One thing Iā€™m not seeing mentioned here is dealing with the mental health aspect of this. The reality is that someone with $90k in credit card debt, without a clearly defined reason why (e.g., illness, medical bills, bad car accident, homelessness, helping a parent, put tuition on credit cards, etc.) has some level of mental health need that isnā€™t being met. In addition to reviewing the excellent options posted here and talking with experts related to bankruptcy and debt management, you need to go to counseling. If you donā€™t, you WILL end up right back where you started, even if a magic wand waved to get rid of all that debt immediately and painlessly.

I speak from experience. Deal with your mental health while you deal with the financial health.

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evantom34 t1_iyakuyg wrote

Most have mentioned. But i'll keep drilling it in. You do NOT make "good money" for the bay area. Full stop, i'd cut the credit cards. You've demonstrated you cannot be responsible with them. You need to first dig through to see what you're spending your money on.

The major costs for most/all are Housing, Transportation, Food. I would start there.

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MelzyMely t1_iy9mhk1 wrote

I understand how you feel. I have credit card debt and it has hurt my self esteem because I donā€™t feel like I can trust my judgements. I understand having panic attacks. The truth is that you need to break down all your expenses as others have put and take a hard look at your living expenses and decide if 90k is possible to pay on your income. If itā€™s not, then you need to get a second job

If thatā€™s not an option, I think declaring bankruptcy will be your only chance to improve your life circumstances and mental health.

I chose the path of working two jobs as someone who struggles with mental health issues. Itā€™s not easy, but it is doable.

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patmorgan235 t1_iyal0br wrote

The median wage for the SF bay area is $96,000/year. So you're in the 'not poor' range but I wouldn't necessarily put your income in the 'good money' category yet.

Realizing the problem and reaching out for help is a really good sign so here's what 6oi need to look at for you next steps

  1. Stop the bleeding

Stop all new charges on your credit cards. Call the credit card companies and cancel all your cards and ask to be put on a low interest repayment plan.

  1. Take control

Start taking all your expenses, every single penny, use a tool like YNAB or Mint or just plain old excel/Google sheets. If All you're spending is on debit/creditcards. This is really easy using bank imports.

Categorize all your spending. (Make sure to differentiate between essentials and luxuries, like groceries vs eating out)

This will show you where all your money is going. Look through all the graphs of what category you're spending the most. What stores you're spending the most at.

  1. Cut expenses

Reduce your budget as much as you can.

Cook at home more. (Eating out is super expensive, especially in big cities)

Unsubscribe from all but 1 streaming service (you still need some entertainment).

If you have an expensive car sell it and buy a Nissan Altima

  1. Contemplate your relationship with money

What are you actually spending your money on? Are they things/experiences you value? Or are you spending mindlessly?

  1. Think long term

Is living in SF actually affordable for you? Are you likely to get a promotion/raise soon?(if you do 100% of it need to go towards getting rid of this debt) Can you move somewhere cheaper? Get a roommate? Etc?

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TheGunStays t1_iyayll0 wrote

100% declare Bankruptcy.

You have no assets, and your unsecured debt exceeds your income.

Your monthly interest accruals are probably close to $2000. That's like 25% of your take-home pay, without even touching the interest.

Car insurance is for when you fuck up and are at-fault in an accident. Bankruptcy if when you fuck up financially and can not afford your debts and are insolvent.

Stop throwing good money after bad... file for bankruptcy and in a few years you can come out of this relatively unscathed.

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FarTooOldForThis t1_iybc2bv wrote

Hi from a person who went from $108k in cc debt to zero in 8 years. I worked my butt off. The short story: First, stop using the cards. For anything. Second, every time you want to buy something thatā€™s not essential to living, ask yourself whether having that item or experience would make you happier than being free of debt would. You can do it.

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dcdave3605 t1_iy9gw1q wrote

Return whatever you bought!

Seriously though, how have you lived so far out of your means for so long to have wracked that up?

List your monthly ongoing costs, total debt broken down per interest and card/loan.

Then start cutting anything you can. Then find a roommate and split bills as much as you can or move in with someone. Pay all your money towards the highest interest loan/card first and then once paid off, go to the next. Live very cheaply and get some other secondary income as much as possible. If you can, try borrowing from a family member and pay them back just as aggressively.
Bankruptcy is a consideration but without knowing your assets it's kind of hard to tell.

Where is your gross income going to besides FICA and fed and state taxes?

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inoen0thing t1_iybksr8 wrote

You need to talk to a bankruptcy lawyer. You do not have the means to pay your debt down and every day will make your balance higher. You need probably $2k a month for rent which means you loose $42000 a year on housing and interest payments. This leaves you with 25k a year for all living expenses other than housing and not paying down your debt. This is a very low quality of life.

90k @ 20% = $18,000 a year just to keep the balances at 90k. This is to much to tackle without help from family or friends. You need to call it quits and declare bankruptcy you can not do this on your income without very very very significant life changes.

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santamonica14 t1_iy9t938 wrote

Balance transfers always help but only if you can aggressively pay down that lump sum before the interest kicks back in

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PutridSpinach8015 t1_iya56gx wrote

I work in collections and I see situations like this day to day. What I would recommend is paying what you can even if itā€™s pennies to the dollar and contact a debt consolidation company. Any record showing youā€™re atleast attempting to make payments will help negotiating a lesser amount on the debt. Also, If any of your accounts were charged off and sold to collections you could have the poor remarks off of your credit report removed through the consolidation company. You can negotiate with collectors but itā€™s easier done though the debt consolidation because thereā€™s a possibility the agency will pay the company holding your account. Youā€™ll still have to pay the consolidation company but youā€™ll at-least have some of the stress of credit reporting off of your shoulders. I would also recommend claiming bankruptcy possibly chapter 13 and or pandemic impact even if you werenā€™t effected. It is a bit unethical but most creditors donā€™t double check records to see if you were actually effected by the pandemic. I know itā€™s not the greatest advice but anything helps. Hope things get better, Iā€™m rooting for ya.

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JerryLeeDog t1_iya5ojt wrote

Step one, cut the cards up immediately and unsave them from your electronic wallets

Step two, set up a STRICT budget. Sell your car and buy a $2,000 Civic, cash, if you have any car payment at all. Start bringing your lunch to work etc.

Take small steps every single day to save.

If you ever have CCs again. PAY THEM OFF EVERY DAY THERE IS A BALANCE and you'll never be in debt.

If I don't have money, CCs don't get used. I have a savings account for a get me by between pay checks. Do not use a CC as a bridge, ever.

GL dude, seems like hell now, but $1k at a time and you make pleeenty to recover from this. I made $30k-50k from 2010 until 2020 and I bought a $400k house and saved $100k in retirement in that time. Baby steps ever single day

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tossme68 t1_iya7tfg wrote

You're a little fucked. I'd look around and see if anyone will refi your debt, my guess there's someone who will give you a personal loan at 10% opposed to the 20-25% you are likely paying on those credit cards. Cut up your CC's and learn to live on the cheap for a few years -more likely a decade.

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AmericanTwinkie t1_iya8880 wrote

Get a BK lawyer and talk with them about your options. Itā€™ll probably be a ch13 due to your income but maybe not. Itā€™ll suck for several years. But youā€™ll be able to build back slowly and hopefully learn from your mistakes. Renting can be difficult for obvious reasons if you have to move but if you rent from individual owners (corpos likely wonā€™t consider you) you can talk to them and sometimes theyā€™ll rent to you.

Edit: if bk isnā€™t on the table you can also call your creditors and work out a plan to pay down the cards. This usually involves reducing your interest and closing the cards but itā€™ll help with the monthly.

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penartist t1_iyaay65 wrote

You need a budget and you need to get rid of the holes in your budget. Get serious about paying off debt and only having necessary expenses. Drop the subscriptions, lower the tier on your internet, drop full coverage on the cell phone, sell the car with the big car payment and opt for a beater, shop around for lower cost car insurance, move to a smaller apartment, stop eating out, make coffee at home, cook from scratch, don't drink alcohol etc..

Bare bones budget.

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obivader t1_iyafn57 wrote

Oh my. So, $2,800 x 26 paychecks is $72,800 take-home.

I know SF is an outrageously expensive area. Without extra income, you're probably looking at several years to dig yourself out of that hole. The best piece of advice I can get is to do whatever it takes to earn more money and spend less. I know that sounds like a "duh", but it's really important that you get on a written budget, cut out EVERY expense that isn't absolutely critical, earn more money where possible (2nd job, Uber, whatever).

As Dave Ramsey would say, you shouldn't see the inside of a restaurant unless you're working there as your second job.

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No_Loquat_183 t1_iybr92i wrote

Definitely more context is needed. Do you live by yourself? Can you move back with your parents? What's your monthly bills?

Making money is highly relative to your location. If you're bringing home only, post-tax, $5600 a month in the BAY area, that's relatively low.

I'd reduce my 401k contributions to whatever % my company matches and move back in with my parents cause if you're paying rent and going out for food, entertainment, etc, you will pretty much never beat interest in any meaningful manner.

Assuming you can live with parents, I'd throw $4500 each month into the credit card bill and you can wipe everything in less than 2 years. This gives you $1100 a month to comfortably enjoy life. If you want to be really aggressive you can do $5000, but that's totally up to you.

If you can't live with parents, I'd invite roommates to live you (assuming you're living alone) and cut out ALL eating out. Only go grocery shopping, buy generic brands for EVERYTHING, etc. I'd go out twice a month (every other week), so I don't go insane.

It's gonna be hard and suck, but your future self in 5 years will thank you. Nothing good comes in life without some sort of sacrifice. You can change your financial outcome in 2 years (assuming you can live with your parents, if not maybe another year longer). You got this.

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DoDevilsEvenTriangle t1_iybrssf wrote

>living in the SF Bay Area.

Something I tried to do, and failed, on $120K in the late 1990s.

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frugallyretired t1_iyc0a8d wrote

Wtf did you buy? Holy shit this isn't a budget problem this is a psychology/self help situation. You need to reorient your priorities as clearly you are living a lifestyle you didn't earn. I suggest looking into Dave Ramsey's baby steps. Bad news is you're in a hole. Good news is you got a good sized shovel.

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Ok-Organization-4318 t1_iya3629 wrote

Call the credit card companies and tell them to close the accounts.

Ask the credit card company to speak to the debt settlement, loss mitigation or hardship department.

Tell them you want to pay the amounts owed back, but if they are unwilling to negotiate amicable terms you will be forced to file chapter 7 bankruptcy, in which case they will receive nothing.

Ask for an installment agreement for 700 a month over 10 years. This would be better than claiming Bankruptcy, in my opinion.

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Successful-Letter-53 t1_iya3uy1 wrote

Call the credit card companies and see if they will work out a reduced payment plan or something or default and quickly try to negotiate settlements while you dodge process serversā€¦. Statute of limitations is 4 yrs in ca on credit card collections

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Rick_e_bobby t1_iya42ax wrote

Sorry but you should have asked for help at 45K ignoring it until this point is pretty bad, but most people do wait until it is the absolute worst to seek help so you are not alone.

To keep it short and simple, you have two optionā€™s bankruptcy(last resort), or possibly a consumer proposal, not sure on the rules are in the US but get off reddit find a licensed insolvency professional and get a free consultation. That is all.

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Sad_Huckleberry_6776 t1_iyaegam wrote

Nothing will help unless you learn how to manage money. Find a mentor, read a Dave Ramsey book, phone a friend. Do something to learn how to manage money. If not, youā€™ll be back in this spot at some point again in your life

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pathogeneva t1_iyaf775 wrote

The website undebt.it helped me a lot. It lets you plan out different strategies of paying down cards (highest interest first, lowest balance first, etc) and helps manage it better than any other budgeting tool Iā€™ve used. And itā€™s free!

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leevs11 t1_iyaight wrote

Don't be ashamed, this happens to plenty of people. First thing is to figure out what you're spending money on and cut everything that's not rent, basic food or healthcare. Then throw every other dollar at the credit cards.

If you can, find a cheaper place to live with roommates or family. You can also sell things you own to bring in extra cash. You can also do odd side jobs for people or find a better paying job.

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[deleted] t1_iyajk7n wrote

  1. Look up the snow ball debt method.
  2. Cut up your credit cards. ( the reason is to not be tempted on buying things ) and remove them from Samsung / Apple Pay . 3.remember to pay yourself first and start using a debt card.

Credit card is money loaned to you.

Debt card is money thatā€™s yours.

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prylosec t1_iyaogew wrote

I was in a similar situation but my debt was "only" ~50k, though I was able to rack it up in just over a year. My solution was to bust my ass to learn some new skills and double my salary. Sure, I had to ignore some debt and ended up getting sued a few times, but 5 years later and I'm debt free with a credit score pushing 800. Get some AWS certifications and you'll be able to pay off your debt in a year. (note that the certifications will probably take a year or two to attain)

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Fragrant-Debt-1389 t1_iyauybe wrote

Can you get a work-from-home job and move somewhere super-affordable to save money and get out of debt?

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peter303_ t1_iyb0inj wrote

You might talk to a bankruptcy counselor. The rule of thumb is when debt reaches annual income, you should consider it.

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SippinHaiderade t1_iyb15bl wrote

Honestly the Bay Area is your biggest problem :( 90K is great money but barely livable in the Bay Area. Also how are you taxed at ~50%? What are you paying your salary into?

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mrmrmrj t1_iyb4s56 wrote

Live like an absolute hermit for a month and see how much you can save. Now add back in the small things only for 3 months. I bet you have $10,000 to pay down your cards after 4 months.

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JeepMan831 t1_iyb51lp wrote

I live in a HCOL area that's cheaper than the Bay. I could tighten up my budget a bit but all of my expenses (rent, food, travel...) come to $52k/year. OP, even if you adopted my budget, negotiated with your lenders to drop your APR to 0%, and put every extra penny towards paying off this debt it, it would still take you 6 years to get out from under this.

Idk how bankruptcy works but at this point I'd stop worrying about your debt and keep racking up credit card debt until you're completely maxed out and denied additional lines of credit, then declare bankruptcy and move to a LCOL area and start being financially responsible then.

Lmk why this is a terrible idea below, thanks

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jmmixed t1_iyb83r4 wrote

Lots of great advice here, TBS. I suggest a radical lifestyle change. Embrace a minimalist approach and start your journey today.

And move out of CA. I loved it, but it is crazy expensive. If you won't do that, then you probably have no chance.

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Economist_101 t1_iybcslq wrote

If youā€™re living in the bay, that is objectively not good money, at all. Find a roommate or heck see if you can move home or move to some cheap bumblefuck location and work remote. Find a better paying job, do a side gig, figure out what youā€™re spending money on and cut everything that isnā€™t absolutely essential. Youā€™re going to have to throw every penny you make at this for a long while before you can pay it all down. And stop living above your means or else this problem will pop up again quickly in the future no matter how many times you pay things off.

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sfdragonboy t1_iybpwct wrote

Ok, good that you recognize the current situation. Ok, can a family member, friend, or parents lend you some money to knock out some or all of the debt? You would pay them something in terms of interest as you pay it off regularly.

Some people may advise against it, but does your work allow you to borrow against the 401K balance you have (assuming you have some money socked away)? At least that interest rate is lower.

If nothing, worse comes to worse, you need to just look at your 3 cards and figure out which one is at the highest rate and just methodically each money pay it down. No more credit charges unless absolutely necessary!!!!

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spacewxyz t1_iyby6on wrote

You could consider a bankruptcy of some kind. This is an enormous amount of high interest debt. Generally a bankruptcy is a bad idea for a lot of reasons but it might be worth it with this much debt. Its going to be extremely difficult to pay this off.

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Lets say you keep 3500 dollars a month after all basic expenses. It'll take you two years to pay that off assuming no interest and no spending of any other kind. That's kind of absurd. A bankruptcy after 2 years will start to wane in significance so i think it might be worth it.

You could also let it go to collections and try to negotiate it down. Lots of times people are able to pay less than half of the original credit card amount.

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mochipoki t1_iybzm7b wrote

As someone from the Bay, you do not make good money in the Bay. You need a second job or another roommate and maybe a better budget. Start with laying out all your expenses.

If you're not cooking at home, start now. That's usually a big chunk of money. Grocery outlet and smart and final are great cheap grocery stores if you don't have a friend with a Costco membership.

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NoleScole t1_iycfogd wrote

I saw the title and I knew there was going to be a recommendation to go into bankruptcy before I opened this thread. I just knew.

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Diligent-Road-6171 t1_iyap0cd wrote

>I've tried looking at credit card loans to help reduce the payment amounts, but I can't even get one since I get declined.

The first step to get out of a hole is to stop digging down. Don't do this.

>I'm not sure how I can reduce the monthly payment amounts, but they are crushing me completely.

You will need to pay off the debts to get rid of the monthly payments.

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