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SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0afa0w wrote
I didn't realize the age of Korean soy sauce was such common knowledge.
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DaveOJ12 t1_j0agbqz wrote
Don't have a cow, maaaan.
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0agbwc wrote
the actual soy sauce.
Scoobydoomed t1_j0ahcx8 wrote
Soy is fermented and does not spoil, and is actually a preservative. It gets better as it ages, there is nothing gross about this.
samuelgato t1_j0ahego wrote
Yes but we're talking about the age of condiments more so than countries
samuelgato t1_j0ahqkp wrote
"Waiter, bring us some fresh wine, the freshest you've got. This year's! No more of this old stuff!!"
"He doesn't realize he's dealing with sophisticated people here.”
noshore4me t1_j0ahy6c wrote
Wait until you hear how they used to refer to the USA and surrounding areas as "the new world."
fawnroyale_ t1_j0aic14 wrote
Are you a child or just an asshole?
Maybethistimeitllbe t1_j0aik85 wrote
And it's freer, too.
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0aimhy wrote
When talking about wine we still do.. :) The bigger wine producers of Europe are called "the old world" while usa, South America, South Africa and Australia is referred to as "the new world" :)
vernochan t1_j0aipab wrote
Like the great Barney Stinson once said: "New is always better!"
Pyronic_Chaos t1_j0aiym4 wrote
>The 360-year-old soy sauce featured at the Blue House state dinner during U.S. President Donald Trump’s visit to Korea on Nov. 7 garnered international attention, as some noted that would make it older than the United States itself.
>“I hesitated, but decided to give a bit of the sauce because I wanted to take this opportunity to show the president of the United States how authentic Korean food tastes
Too bad he put ketchup on it right after she left.
doesnoteatdicks t1_j0ald0j wrote
We prefer to say the wine is made from “Freedom Grapes”.
Scoobydoomed t1_j0alrmn wrote
When was the last time you heard of a food that is over 300 years old and is still edible? I think you are missing the point here...
Scoobydoomed t1_j0alzht wrote
Ahh yes monsieur! We have a special bottle just for you, it's so fresh it hasnt even fermented yet. We call it Jus de Grapes.
idahononono t1_j0aml8p wrote
I think the Egyptian honey is still the king of this category though!
thecolortuesday t1_j0an1u9 wrote
If I ever think about certain plant/animal origins that we use for food I think about it in old world vs new world too. It’s just easier to group the americas vs asia/europe/africa. I also just think it sounds kinda cool
thecolortuesday t1_j0an94o wrote
So is it like a sour dough starter? Take some out, put some in?
heisdeadjim_au t1_j0aocju wrote
How can someone so rich be so uneducated in the ways of the world? I mean this is a guy who could literally afford to apply caviar to his toast like us plebs apply peanut butter....
standardtrickyness1 t1_j0ap2pa wrote
Society grows great when old people make soy sauce they'll never taste.
cayennepepper t1_j0ap7g9 wrote
No thanks. Nice tradition but not on my dinner plate
opiate_lifer t1_j0aporj wrote
Caviar isn't THAT expensive, cheapest I've seen was like $5 USD for a small jar of a few ounces. Granted I've never tried the $1-2K a gram Iranian or Russian ones they keep locked up in the grocery.
heisdeadjim_au t1_j0aptmk wrote
Well, that was an expression. I'm not particularly fond of the man, by the way. I just don't comprehend how someone with money can be so dumb.
If I had that money I'd be travelling the world experiencing things.
CharlemagneIS t1_j0apx14 wrote
Which made the Judgment of Paris the colossal upset that it was
opiate_lifer t1_j0aqbqq wrote
This is Donald Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgJAxkALyc
Can you even believe this is the same guy?! I suspect Trump as we know him is an act, like Boris Johnson he plays a buffoon thinking it appeals to the common man.
I suspect the real Trump who casually uses the word abeyance in conversation and almost certainly has a refined palate would put off his base lol
Deepfire_DM t1_j0aqrvm wrote
… I have dice that are older than USA (ok, one die)
Voller_Faulheit t1_j0arx4b wrote
OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_j0as79a wrote
Do you just not like soy sauce?
cayennepepper t1_j0at68e wrote
Well i live in Japan so id be fucked if i didnt.
InappropriateTA t1_j0atqpt wrote
I don’t think so. He still has a limited vocabulary, ‘dodges’ a very pointed question (avoids details, gives pretty much a canned response), and uses the idiom “holding in abeyance” improperly.
I would guess that he had it on his word of the day calendar, or it’s a term that he’s heard but doesn’t really know how to apply it.
tyvanius t1_j0atygt wrote
The same rule applies to tarantula species!
opiate_lifer t1_j0au6c3 wrote
Compared to "bigly" era Trump using a word albeit incorrectly gets points from me.
VentureQuotes t1_j0aufd5 wrote
how old is their constitution
salton t1_j0aufy7 wrote
Europe's wine owes its existence to the grafting of vines to American grape root stock that weren't vulnerable to a species of aphid that was destined to wipe the industry out.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight
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FrankieMcGigglefits t1_j0av5w7 wrote
I have tires on my car from 2018 older than op. Point?
OrangeJuiceAlibi t1_j0avmus wrote
Then what's the issue with this?
IRHABI313 t1_j0avx8k wrote
Japan has companies and businesses that are over a thousand years old
konosyn t1_j0aw394 wrote
And primates, and vultures, and other critters. Probably plants too.
konosyn t1_j0aw4ul wrote
It IS kinda cool. Moreso than eastern/western hemisphere, IMO.
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0awt3d wrote
And americas wine industry owes its existence to the thousand years old traditions, knowledge and varieties from europe for existing in the first place, so everyone benefits from not putting themselves on high horses. :)
Some_wizard_shit t1_j0aww69 wrote
Being good at making money isn’t the same as intelligence.
Dejan05 t1_j0ax4l9 wrote
My family has a couple of chairs that are older than the USA
VentureQuotes t1_j0ax4pq wrote
Awesome but their constitution tho…?
Girly_Shrieks t1_j0ax5qx wrote
Did you really have to be a dick about it? To your credit you do sound like a European trying to be highborn.
Fortknoxvilla t1_j0axjlh wrote
Money can't buy class. Etiquettes, manners and charism are unavailable for many rich people.
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0axv6i wrote
I were a dick about it? Did you even read the comment I answered? I merely laid out the entire story instead of the selected part that fit their narrative.
IRHABI313 t1_j0ay3vo wrote
Well they used to have an Emperor so after 1945 when they were occupied by America they wrote a Constitution for Japan guess its up to you to decide if its their Constitution since they didnt write it and were forced to follow it and theyre an American Puppet State and make no decisions on their own and take orders from America
whiffitgood t1_j0ayo0k wrote
Most people aren't as sharp as they were 10+ years prior
darkbee83 t1_j0ayt0f wrote
A proper constitution gets updated or rewritten every once in a while.
BabyTRexArms t1_j0ayvna wrote
There’s no shortage of things older than ~250 years. The year is 2022. Does that not tell you enough?
CitizenPremier t1_j0aywc8 wrote
I have a trilobite that's older than the USA
Dejan05 t1_j0az0jt wrote
Lmao that's probabably older than all countries
salton t1_j0azdn6 wrote
You just seem a little defensive.
Alanjaow t1_j0b0lkg wrote
That's actually awesome! What kind is it? What's it made out of?
I_love_pillows t1_j0b0mao wrote
Not as old as their momma
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b0qa9 wrote
Sorry mate, I'm not the one using one half of a story to make my point seem more valid, so no, I don't think so. :) All I did was pointing out that the "new world" still applies in a specific context. Then whoever became all defensive about "Europe owing everything to the us" when it comes to wine. I'm sorry, but you clearly haven't read the discussion from the beginning.
salton t1_j0b0tr0 wrote
Why are you even talking to me? You're point is unrelated to mine.
Geomancer_1880 t1_j0b0u62 wrote
There's outhouses in Europe older then USA
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b13kl wrote
I'm explaining why your point is wrong, thats all :)
salton t1_j0b162z wrote
How old are you?
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b1alx wrote
If you know I'm old enough to be interested in the agricultural part of winemaking thats pretty much all you need to know :)
Antimologyst t1_j0b1cxb wrote
They probably don’t like the idea of eating something that old. Some people just find it gross.
right-arrow t1_j0b1fop wrote
Egypt has pyramids older than the USA
salton t1_j0b1fu5 wrote
I posted a link to references. I calmly explained what happened. If you want to refute that with your own sources that's on you.
267aa37673a9fa659490 t1_j0b1qri wrote
While Trump loved putting ketchup on steak, there were no reports that he did so during this meal. Although it is also unconfirmed if he actually tried the 360 year old sauce.
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onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b1v4j wrote
I'm sorry, I confused your username with the guy who called me a dick, that's on me.
salton t1_j0b21pr wrote
If true then NP. No harm no foul. I could have been egging you on a bit.
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onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b38t0 wrote
Yeah and I could have not reddited while working so maybe qt least one of them would have been "executed successfully" :P Have a nice day!
patchinthebox t1_j0b3965 wrote
I have a fossil that's older than the human species.
Nazamroth t1_j0b3i06 wrote
Oh boy, I never get tired of that. I can only imagine their faces when they realized the magnitude of their fuck-up.
x21in2010x t1_j0b3k4p wrote
A lot of people impulsively see this as a "dunk" on the U.S.
Nazamroth t1_j0b3l9x wrote
Help, I have acrophobia and someone put me on this shire horse!
Nazamroth t1_j0b3qse wrote
Yeah, there should be things that are 2000 years old. We must find them and hoard them in England.
x21in2010x t1_j0b3tqw wrote
What is this, the magic of globalism?! How dare us for getting better quality wine on 5 continents today.
Free trade is essential for human rights, we hope.
BabyTRexArms t1_j0b4cnb wrote
It was a point I was trying to make about america being relatively young for a country. In the grand scheme of things, 250 years is nothing. Things in most Asian countries are often much older. By the way, I am not British, and have heritage from a country conquered by them.
tomistruth t1_j0b4wj0 wrote
USA isn't really that old, ya know. There are still living tortoise older than the USA. Now if you could open a bank account under your pets name, imagine how much wealth it could accumulate with interests. Somebody wake me when they legalized banking for pets. I'm busy starting a turtle school. Will call it Mutant Ninja Turtle School.
vrenak t1_j0b517x wrote
Sounds like you've had faux caviar, the good brands of that goes for about that price for that quantity
Lurker_IV t1_j0b5g7s wrote
American grapes were a popular and common native food. They might not have had a specific wine industry (as far as we know) but they were as domesticated a food crop as corn. Thousands of years of traditions on both sides.
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b5rej wrote
Winey* Come on, how could you ever miss such an opportunity?
opiate_lifer t1_j0b6177 wrote
What makes the a cheap shit faux? Unless the FDA is really sleeping it appears to be fish eggs.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Roland-Black-Caviar-Whole-Grain-Lumpfish-2-oz/44708530
I've had pricer caviar, but I'll pass on the 1K a gram shit lol Its not worth it in my opinion.
onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0b65og wrote
Exactly and who could possibly not want higher quality wine becoming more available and affordable!
Son_of-Spam t1_j0b6h6p wrote
Totally believe it. I live near an amazing KBBQ spot in Northern VA called Honey Pig and their house sauce was unbelievable. I asked the waitress what it was and they said they don’t know. It’s a forever sauce.
A sauce that never stops cooking
Deepfire_DM t1_j0b6j6n wrote
A gift from an Ex, some years ago - I'm not totally sure but I presume it's ivory. A 6-sided die, probably from the late middle ages.
It's an often used running gag for elder role players (as in D&D) to pronounce, that they "have dice that are older than you" when playing with younger players - well, this one is by far older than all of my players ages combined.
KingBasten t1_j0b6ltr wrote
pak choi
vrenak t1_j0b72kd wrote
To be real it's not just any fish, it's a specific one, and that one, is the wrong one.
Krnpnk t1_j0b7cvk wrote
Yes they saved it from a aphid that also came from America...
opiate_lifer t1_j0b7fj3 wrote
Ah so a champagne situation then?
salton t1_j0b7lc5 wrote
I was waiting for the first person to actually read the wiki.
vrenak t1_j0b7lyt wrote
Pretty much yes, you can get something pretty close, not the walmart one linked though, but they exist, they're just not the actual thing.
zoupishness7 t1_j0b81ao wrote
Rocks are old, sure, but things prepared by humans, centuries ago, for human consumption, and are still consumable, are not nearly as common as rocks.
MattieBubbles t1_j0b8blg wrote
So honest question, how has it not gone bad in some way?
BabyTRexArms t1_j0b8mz4 wrote
My point was about america being a very relatively young country.
weidenbaumborbis t1_j0b8uue wrote
I am korean and have no idea what youre talking about. Can you tell me the korean term?
zoupishness7 t1_j0b8xq5 wrote
My point was that edible things tend to not last as long as relatively young countries. So it's notable when they do.
APRForReddit t1_j0b96mx wrote
It’s kind of funny. It’s not exactly a secret about what happened in 1776.
What is kind of surprising when you sit down and think about it is that the USA went from not-a-country to unquestionably the most dominant cultural, economic, and military super power in less than two centuries.
Also the UK wasn’t established as a country until the 19th century
BabyTRexArms t1_j0b9d4h wrote
It was my belief that most Asian cultures and foods are way older than America.
Ashiro t1_j0b9fs8 wrote
Did you read the article fully?
She said she has 2/3rds of the actual 300yo soy sauce left.
sabersquirl t1_j0b9x4p wrote
Everyone getting mad that this soy sauce being older than the US could somehow be interpreted as if it reflected poorly on the country, when really it’s just a notable point in time to mark how old this sauce is. They are using you as a reference for how impressively old the soy sauce is, Americans, not making fun of your country for being established more recently than some other countries.
tinyanus t1_j0b9y53 wrote
The blacker the sauce, the tastier the juice.
zoupishness7 t1_j0bad0w wrote
We aren't talking about a recipe here, we're talking about a batch of soy sauce prepared 360 years ago, that is not only edible, but prized. How much else can you say that about? Honey can last longer, but humans don't make it. There are a few bottles of wine that old, selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and most of them aren't even drinkable. There's also some vinegar, but I don't know of much beyond that.
13esq t1_j0badi8 wrote
r/thatsthejoke
BabyTRexArms t1_j0bc3zt wrote
This is a Theseus’ ship moment. Same batch my ass.
that_yeg_guy t1_j0bdxyx wrote
FYI: The USA ain’t that old. They’re basically the international equivalent of the teenager that hit puberty too early and is now a foot taller and 50lbs heavier than the other teenagers, but still a teenager.
TerribleIdea27 t1_j0bgo7b wrote
Caviar has to come from sturgeon to be real caviar. If you're selling regular fish eggs as caviar, you're basically selling horsemeat as if it is beef. Illegal in Europe at least, don't know about US rules.
ehque t1_j0bh0h5 wrote
It’s a fermented product, so it’s already “gone bad” in some sense.
It’s also incredibly salty, which also inhibits microbial growth.
tim-fawks t1_j0bhxms wrote
Yah brought to Europe by some French guy so check mate
Aggressive-Cut5836 t1_j0bk1tk wrote
It’s actually the one of if not the oldest country with the same form of government today as it had for the past ~250 years. “South Korea” wasn’t really a country back then. The UK was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (now it’s Northern Ireland). France was still a monarchy or else was on its 1st republic (now it’s on its 5th republic I think).
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sjk8990 t1_j0c09z9 wrote
Globalism: the cause of, and answer to, all of life's problems.
fafarex t1_j0c0a1l wrote
It's a worldwide expression he wasn't implying it to be Korean.
MuthaPlucka t1_j0c2vj3 wrote
Mutant Ninja Turtle Highschool.
… and now I’ve got that Godamn theme song stuck in my head.
MJTony t1_j0c2xgp wrote
Which people? Who has said it’s a ‘dunk’?
SpecificDate7501 t1_j0c32j4 wrote
It's probably expired by now though
Mmonannerss t1_j0c3gpi wrote
Its apparently illegal to import sturgeon caviar to the US due to environmental conservation. That's what I gathered from a quick Google search. Pricing was between $70-250 though
Mmonannerss t1_j0c3lf0 wrote
It's already fermented and has a high salt content.
DoctorCIS t1_j0c55gj wrote
Honey Pig is delicious, but it is an experience, especially the Annandale location. It's not looking approachable to newbies like Breakers in Fairfax. It's not looking trendy like Iron Age in Chantilly. It knows you are here for the food so just sit down and eat damn it.
greentea1985 t1_j0c5xzt wrote
I wish the article had more information about the sauce. Has the sauce been fermenting for 360 years or has the mother (the bit that you add to each batch to ferment it, akin to a bread starter) been around for 360 years? Comparing soy sauce to balsamic vinegar, there are some positively ancient vinegar mothers out there and the best vinegars are aged for 25+ years, so it’s very important to make a distinction if the soy sauce has been aged for 360 years or if the mother is 360 years old.
TerribleIdea27 t1_j0c8ort wrote
Huh, TIL
zoupishness7 t1_j0c9cu7 wrote
I mean, I'm happy to entertain the idea that you're aware of something about this situation that I am not, because your ass would have to hurt if you just pulled the ship of Theseus out of it. Though, it seems strange to say “It is one of our most prized possessions as we only have two-thirds of it left in the pot,” if they were constantly topping it back up.
thecolortuesday t1_j0c9qm9 wrote
No I didn’t. I thought it was just the picture
VentureQuotes t1_j0camfr wrote
Amended, you might say
frodosbitch t1_j0capao wrote
Isn’t there a big bowl of soup that has been constantly cooking for decades. Stuff goes in. Stuff comes out. But the soup is forever.
darkbee83 t1_j0cbce0 wrote
No. I meant what I said.
CharlemagneIS t1_j0cc6fc wrote
One of the judges demanded her ballot back.
UncommonHouseSpider t1_j0cdvum wrote
Is Canada old world then? We aren't on your list?
xbmdx1 t1_j0cfpg0 wrote
r/holup
ghost_of_fall t1_j0cm4bm wrote
Weird flex, but OK
sirbassist83 t1_j0cph9d wrote
I have atoms in my bones older than the earth
bigfloppydonkeydng t1_j0cphn7 wrote
I agree with tinyanus
SalvadorSnipez t1_j0cqcet wrote
Wow TIL
sirbassist83 t1_j0cs19h wrote
but my fee fees were hurted
sirbassist83 t1_j0csoqb wrote
well ive never held a kilo of cocaine, but i do know exactly how much a cheeseburger weighs, so checkmate, globalists.
NickyXIII t1_j0ct2zl wrote
I could say it ain't so But darlin', what's the use?
HotPocket_Consumed t1_j0ctf5u wrote
The dirt in my yard is older than the US
Cumupin420 t1_j0ctkil wrote
They are wrong
weidenbaumborbis t1_j0cwoj4 wrote
Oh. Guess i misinterpreted the "they".
Roczkyy t1_j0cxryc wrote
Came here to see if someone else recognized her from the show. I loved the show.
RushDynamite t1_j0cy167 wrote
As a Napa native I also never get tired of it. Imagine picking a fight twice being the judge of the contest and losing both times.
foofoobee t1_j0cy5f2 wrote
The oldest living tortoise is about 190, so no, not older than the US.
tomistruth t1_j0cyefz wrote
That's just the oldest human fed tortoise. Lots of big guys living in the free world.
infromthestorm t1_j0cyplg wrote
The walking definition of the ugly American.
VPestilenZ t1_j0czm9s wrote
There's a show called Korea No. 1 on Netflix, which has an episode about this lady and their traditional sauce family business. They even let the hosts try a bit of it
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0d0pdv wrote
that's where I saw it! She was hilarious.
normpoleon t1_j0d4cqy wrote
I say the darker the sauce, then the deeper the roots
Gumburcules t1_j0deo37 wrote
> I'll pass on the 1K a gram shit lol Its not worth it in my opinion.
My wife and I splurged on a caviar sampler which included $200/oz Osetra. We both agreed the $30 paddlefish "fake" caviar was by far our favorite.
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onehandedbraunlocker t1_j0dhdgo wrote
I honestly don't know, Canada certainly doesn't belong to "the old world" when it comes to wine and I'm not sure if it belongs to "the new world" either or if it, like my own country, doesn't belong to either. :)
Arachnatron t1_j0djwgz wrote
Same sort of government or same label for the type of government?
VoiceOfLunacy t1_j0dp84s wrote
Well, we were a republic, but I dunno what the hell we are now.
TangeloBig9845 t1_j0dw9v1 wrote
At least it wasn't wasted on Pedo Joe.
FartingBob t1_j0dwlv5 wrote
My nan had stuff older than the US in her kitchen cupboards as well.
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0e20bl wrote
did you see Trump's new NFT collection? He definitely doesn't look like a complete fucking moron in his cowboy and spaceman outfits.
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0e259r wrote
like what?
TangeloBig9845 t1_j0e3z7j wrote
Oh come on. Is it always about Trump? He's a washed up has been. The easiest way to forget Trump is to not talk about him...
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0e4gdx wrote
sorry, I just assume at this point people who hate Biden automatically love Trump.
TangeloBig9845 t1_j0e59wg wrote
All good. But that's exactly what they want. If the left fights the right, or vise versa, then the people can't fight the 1%. And they are the true people in power. The 1% pays politicians to pass laws that benefit themselves and keep them rich.
SmashScrapeFlip OP t1_j0e5nqh wrote
amen brother. Rare to see someone who gets it like you do.
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TangeloBig9845 t1_j0e9pua wrote
>Rare to see someone who gets it like you do.
And that's a problem. Stop assuming, find common ground and bring people together so we can make changes that will make a difference.
I'm glad we agree on something.
ZazzyMatazz t1_j0ekiz8 wrote
This isn't an ambulance, it's a god damn soynbulance!
Carved_In_Chocolate t1_j0ekpk8 wrote
I have a Roman one from about 200 AD. Never would use though as it is made of lead.
twobit211 t1_j0eswox wrote
alsn rickman was in a movie about that called bottle shock
CharlemagneIS t1_j0eu0sy wrote
Wow, never heard of it. I love Rickman, but that is such an old-school trailer for 2008.
AngryPirateRacing t1_j0ew47j wrote
So.. if ucked a few grammas..
FredVIII-DFH t1_j0ezmo8 wrote
They should throw it out. I'm sure it has expired by now.
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czymjq t1_j0f6bxq wrote
This ain't a scene, it's a goddamn arms race.
wildadragon t1_j0aedm2 wrote
No shit the USA is only 246 years old so many countries are older and have things older than it. Practically every Asian country is older than the USA.